About a year ago, I had a genius idea of making a podcast devoted to DC's Legends of Tomorrow. And I invited all of my friends, and for a while, it was great. And then, they all disappeared, much like Bell's hairline. So I tasked him with making a new show with professional hosts, after many rejections from the likes of Chris Sophwick, Adam Corona, and David Hasselhoff.
He picked the only two guys who would work for free. Now, they podcast weekly. They're not qualified, they're not professional, but they are what they are is. Straight out of the timeline and right to your equals.
I'm Bell, I'm Kyle. I'm Will, and I'm Boom, and this, Legends TV Top. Seriously, who writes this stuff? They sound like a chocolate.
Nailed it! That would actually work. Like, the music ran right to the end. Almost like, oh no, what are you doing?
This is weird. Not my first rodeo, guys. Not my first rodeo. It's almost like I freaking started this show.
Let's not talk about that, because everybody hates what I did. You guys have been awesome. Much like the first season of Legends, what I did with the show was terrible, but now we're in the second season, you guys are cool. Yeah.
Well, if you can already realize we have a special guest this week, and it is none other than Mr. Bow, on Class TV. Oh, thank you. Thank you.
Wow. What a great audience. Thank you very much. I'm not going to pause on the fact, but I wish I did.
Well, I'm not going to put it in a can. I'm assuming that the listeners are actively applauding at the sound of my voice. Excel, yeah. Because they only ever listen to the first season of Legends TV Talk, which is like, that guy again?
No, please. Shut up, tell. But yeah, so like you said, much like the first season of the show, there's been changes now on the second season. Both the second season of Legends is better, and the second season of Legends TV Talk.
Incidentally better. Incidentally better. And we're here to basically talk crap about you, Mr. Bow.
What? Welcome to your roast. Yes. Welcome to your roast.
Oh, let's never do that, please. But yes, we're off the air six weeks before you are, Bo. That is true. It might have to happen.
It may have to make something happen there. But yeah, so it's good to have you on the show. I know you're when they say you're of some Legends, but hopefully you've seen some things this season to maybe at least less sour your opinion of the show. We shall see.
It's very political, Bo, Bo, that was good. Well, you know, I'm a professional, right? Quote, unquo, this is what I hear. Will Cow, how you guys doing tonight?
Fantastic. Nice. I am doing wonderful. It couldn't be any better if there were eight of me and they were all thin.
That's a lot of you about. My parents got busy. Oh, there you go. Yeah.
They're from the office. Were they from the office? Really? Weird direction.
Is this what happens now? Work of the Legends TV Talk. This is a pre-show banter. This is pre-stuff banter, except for, you know, it's more banterous than it.
Yeah. It's kind of like talking to your trailer cousin. You know, like the cousin who lives in a trailer. It's kind of just the way we roll.
What are you saying about people who listen to trailers? There are people who live in trailers. There are people listening to this podcast right now in the comfort of their own trailer home. And they are glaring at you, sir.
If there are people who listen to this podcast and they live in a trailer, they're not the people we're talking about. No, no. Those are the intelligent people. That's the way to qualify your statement, Bell.
Well done. See, he's much more professional than me. No. I have changed you right, son.
That's not something. Because I didn't say anything. I mean, tell you listen to this podcast, you have to have a computer. And so you are.
Now what are you saying about the original? Yeah. Now you run a picture. I have to put the script on, you know.
Return to four. Oh. I don't know where I'm going to tell you. That's.
So I think that's enough a little pre-show banter there. I think now it is time for history lesson. And now, to listen, it is time for history lesson on the show. TV talk.
Thank you, Bovaldi. Season two. My pleasure. Episode two.
Okay. Okay. So you're now Bovaldi as well. That's excellent.
You seem to have been a time traveler as well. Anyway, so season two, episode 16, Doom World, directed by Marise Elmas, written by one of our favorites here at Ray Uterna Chip and Sarah Hernandez. Well, why don't you tell us what happens episode? After obtaining the Spear of Destiny, the Legion of Doom rewrites reality, leaving the legends changed, perhaps forever.
Frightfully, the legends and the world's hopes rest with his worry. But being the hero is not easy for him. Meanwhile, there is tension within the Legion of Doom, and the reason why the Spear of Destiny needs to be destroyed is revealed. See, we need that on Flash TV talk.
Well, we have that on Flash TV talk. Listen to the post-production, my friend. I can't listen to myself. I sound weird.
We'll see that place over us going the dah dah dah. It's quite classic. Oh, yes. Well, thanks to our lovely producer, Mike.
If you can't listen to me, we love you. Yes. Thank you, Mike. So, yeah, Mike, this was a fun episode.
I really enjoyed it. It was really interesting to see the Legion of Doom primarily Eobard sort of shake the universe to hit, or I guess maybe not the universe as we'll talk about later, but shape reality as it stands in 2017 to his will. Not our will. Because of this.
Thank you. Hi. But to Eobard. Wamp, wamp, wamp.
Wait, where's that sound effect? Do we have one of those? I can only have eight. And but yes, I'll work out.
I'll work out. Right? We have rim shot. Of course we have rim shot.
I don't know that that's a rim shot situation right there. I don't think so. I was waiting for the right moment. I'm not there.
So yeah, this was an interesting episode. It's going to be interesting to talk about because I'm pretty sure next week, during the season finale, none of this stuff that happened this episode is going to matter. But I mean, let's just get into it anyway. Episode starts off in Legion have rewritten history.
Damien Dark is mayor of Star City, Malcolm Merlin has his wife and Tommy back. And his hand, he can clap as Eobard says. And Captain Cold and Heatwave are now running central city. They basically own the police.
And the legends have no idea who they are. They're scattered throughout conveniently the cities that were affected. Which is only two. Which is only two that we've seen.
And that's kind of where we start off. So we see at the, you know, the first image of our legends that maybe something is going to, everything's starting to get back to normal. We see our good old buddy Nate bust into Star Labs, which I figured Eobard might have changed Star Labs a little bit. He did?
Did you not notice? I know he didn't change Star Labs. He made a new facility, but I noticed it. He fixed the roof.
He actually fixed the roof. Is he? Yeah. What can now?
Now this reality needs to be the right one. I know, right? I was kind of thinking for a second that what he was going to do is make Star Labs into the Legion of Doom building. The Hall of Doom?
The Hall of Doom. No, he had it though. I know. Did you miss that?
No, I saw it. I thought that's what, because I saw it in the episode preview, I think. And I was like, oh man, I wonder if Eobard turned the Hall of Doom, or turned Star Labs into the Hall of Doom? In a way, he kind of did, right?
Because my assumption was that that was actually where the Hall of Justice used to be, that we got during the big crossover. And so they replaced that with the Darth Vader helmet. That would have been perfect for them to use it again, but they didn't. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know, because I thought that the Hall of Justice had like, fountains and stuff around it. They pulled it over and over. You're right.
It probably is a different location altogether. But in my mind, in my head can, and I kind of saw that as, you know, that's where that would have been. Yeah. But there's only a whole city in the beginning.
Oh, that's right. They finally killed Felicity. How many fans? How many fans?
I nearly forgot about that, because I had to write at the beginning. I thought, because I saw a little preview about it talking, you know, but, oh, Felicity's going to have a costume. And it was going crazy over it. They're saying, wow, she's going to be a vigilante.
And she dies in the first five minutes. They trolled the fan so hard. They trolled everybody. And then Rick Astley came out and said, never going to give you up.
So yeah, first impressions of Felicity as a vigilante. Bo, go. OK. Yes.
I loved it. You know, we got to return to hacker Felicity with kind of her black hair, which made me happy. I liked the idea that in this doom controlled world that she would be very much a heroic personality, especially in the wake of everyone dying. I feel like if in our reality, if everybody was to be wiped out, Felicity was one of the only heroes left, she would immediately start downing a costume and putting to practice some of the moves that Oliver has taught her, so to speak.
And also, Don, I think a very fitting costume. And so yeah, no, I dug it, man. Nice. Kyle, initial impressions.
It was short, sweet. I mean, a lot of it did silence. When I was saying, sighs a lot of painters. It allowed cheering, having with all the haters of Felicity.
I can hear it wrong. Nobody hates Felicity. Come on. They hate all the same.
Well, there are some people out there that do not like the character of Felicity of how and how it's like derailed arrow. Well, see, which is part of Felicity, yes. But we can't have Felicity without Felicity. Ah, yeah, no, that's true.
But you can have Felicity without Felicity. And I think that's the argument. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. Well, Will, what do you think about Felicity, not really, but about vigilante Felicity?
I think she's the worst vigilante of all time. She was alive. She was there for like three seconds. She jumps down, she rolls her ankle, but somehow still manages to fight for 35 seconds before.
Basically, two non-powered chicks just beat the live and daylights out of her. So she's the worst ever. She's the worst ever. Yeah, it's something like that.
Sorry, that was fair. Continue. But no, she's, you know, I just was like, and yeah, I kind of laughed because they made such a big deal out of her being on this. It's like a special guest-ary role.
And yeah, they just whacked her in two minutes. It was like a bad episode of the Sopranos. It was great. I loved it.
It was better than cats. Like cats, the musical or like cats, the animal? Yes. See, you guys have to see old SNL.
There was a whole bit with, I loved it was better than cats. I'm going to go see it again and again. It was a hypnosis show. And they asked like a bunch of people and they all said the same thing.
Oh, OK. Never mind. It's not as funny if I can't. Yeah, that's true.
That's true. Yeah, I thought it was interesting. I thought that with her being in there and with the costume and the hype on the internet, she was going to be the one maybe to rally the legends or deliver the news that everything is different. But no, it turns out it was Mick.
And this was a towards the beginning of the episode. We have Nick come in all weird and erratic and with a terrible, terrible haircut. But it's also a play on the first episode of season two where he barrels in through Oliver's office, talking about elections. That's true.
That's very true. In the first episode of this season, as he barrels, Kyle said, he's barrel into Oliver Queen's memorial office. And this time it's star labs. And Eobard quickly gathers that there's something, of course, he knows he's a legend.
And Nate doesn't know that Eobard is speedster supervillain. And so they said, yeah, you got it. Really? All the things that put him, he's got it all.
Oh, that's just it. It's subtle torture. They put him in a mullet. I mean, yeah, it's the whole, you know, on the flash time with the fate worse than death thing.
That's kind of what we got going on here with the mullet and being in prison. It's terrible timeline. So it depends on the prison break joke. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So as making Captain Cold are going to, quote, take care of Nate, we have an excellent prison break reference, which they've had those on the flash, correct, Bo?
I mean, they've done. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think when I don't know that we've ever had an episode where the two are together, where there hasn't been some nod to prison break. Yeah.
And so of course, we had one here this time. And it was brilliant. And as the plug for prison break starts, I think, in April. Because I think it starts next week, Tuesday.
Yeah. Next week, Tuesday. OK. Like the same way the family is.
This is actually, I think that's why they moved it. That's why they moved it off nine o'clock. It's so that it wouldn't be on opposite. Or eight o'clock in the turbine.
Or central timers. Yeah. Yeah. For you weirdos.
But no, I think they moved it off at the eight o'clock time slot because it's when it's on Fox. So that's hilarious. That's hilarious. Oh, yeah.
So Mick ends up becoming a double double crosser or a triple agent. Because he betrays Captain Cold to save Nate. And then they have to go and figure out what's going on. So Mick takes them to the only other person that he knows of that's super smart.
And it's not, I guess, under the thumb of Ebar. And that would be the local janitor for Star City or for Star Labs, Ray. And Ray plays a really good like stoner watch out. 100 miles of Keanu Reeves.
Yes. I did get a Keanu Reeves vibe. That was very, it was there. It was definitely there.
But this introduces our first Mick Guffin, as I'm going to call them. Ah, nice. Yeah. Mick actually, I think, is the first Mick Guffin this episode.
Mick himself. Just because he's going to, of course, betray his new teammates in favor of the old teammates that he betrayed. Well, honestly, I felt that it was a little off for Captain Cole to be so cool with just robbing a bank with nothing, stopping him. You know what I mean?
Yeah. I mean, you could argue that perhaps that's kind of the arrangement that his alternate future self had with Flash is kind of, he gets to go around doing his thing as long as he doesn't kill people. And so maybe that's the understanding that's going on here. But one way or the other, I'm kind of with Mick.
The thrill is gone. If it's just you just walk in and take money out of the bank, especially if you own the bank, you didn't rob anything. You just made it withdrawal. Like, yes.
You're taking money from yourself. Yeah. I'm talking about that for, oh, sorry. Oh, no, go ahead.
Let's talk about that for a second. I mean, I get the impression this is the most freeze gun, pre-deal with Barry. Yeah. Like he's talking about a city with no Flash, and he kind of is acting like a complete, I mean, the debug he was early on in season one.
I mean, so can we establish this is kind of where he is in, I mean, he did treat Mick like crap back then. Fair enough. Like, he didn't want to work with Mick back then, if I remember correctly. Like, he brought him in like begrudgingly because he needed somebody he knew wouldn't betray him.
And that's what he gave him the heat gun. Yeah, fair enough. When I said alternate future self, you're right. I was all on that.
So that's that would have been exactly who he is and where he was. Yeah, because he treats him like a jerky even though he's had all these experiences and whatnot. But the weird thing about it, like you said, Bo, it's just the thrill of the heist and the getaway, because that's the thing one of one of the things Mick mentions, like where's the getaway? That's always part of it.
He's like, I can arrange a getaway. And that's just not. That doesn't seem like having cold to me. But he seemed more excited about cracking the safe than the whole idea of the heist.
And he's always been like a planner. And I don't know. It was interesting because I'm wondering where they're going to go with that. But it was a different take on that character, definitely, from what we've seen in legend season one.
So there is that. Are you summoning the power of the green lantern? Will I? I just noticed it was dusty.
I forgot about Fenniel. I just went over and I see the running down the lantern lamp with a towel. I like to rub my lantern occasionally. Anywho.
So yeah, he's different. And so Mick has now betrayed both the legends and the Legion, leading him in a very interesting spot. But luckily, our second Mick Guffin of the night brings the team back together in a certain way. And Ray has created a.
The convenience ray. Yeah. Basically what it is. Yeah.
They're a lot of us in this show. No, this is exactly what it is. Like, what is it? I don't know.
How wise it here? I just made it. I don't know. How convenient.
I think it does something from your hypothalamus. And it caught like, how does this guy even know how to under these words? It's amazing. Right.
Also, the convenience ray has many various principles as well. Like for some time, you shoot somebody in the head. They instantly know exactly what's going on. Other times you shoot them.
They have no idea what's going on. But remember that something did go on. There was inconsistency there. Let's talk about that.
So we have, well, not only Jax, there was a moment with Sarah that was kind of interesting. So basically, we go to the ray. We get the memory gun. Everything's fine with Nate and with Ray.
However, we have our two lovely ladies that are being horribly manipulated by Damien Darden. Yeah. I think they're being manipulated by him. I think they're willingly working with him.
Well, right, because he manipulated reality is where he's going to do it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they would never work with him outside of a non-inipulated reality. So he used to spear a roofie.
The spear of comedy. Forgive me now. Forgive me now. Forgive me now.
I thought that gun actually, I honestly thought that gun had one purpose and it made people punch Mick. That was not that. That was so good. Yeah, that was a perfect gag.
It's not what I'm talking about. That's why the show, I think this episode was another one of those prime examples where they embrace the camp. Any time there was something where you would see an event happen and you just go, that's dumb. Why would he sit there?
For example, monologue. This is something that happens a little bit later on. That was beautiful. Yeah, but Damien Dark has this huge monologue where he's doing the whole villain monologue.
And they actually comment on it. Captain Cole's like really a villain monologue right now. And of course, it screws everything up. And the fact that I was great.
Yes. Yeah, right? I mean, that's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about. That's why I like legends and why I think this season has picked up dramatically is because they embrace this campy ridiculousness.
No, it works. But I will say this, there was an interesting balance that I thought was struck this episode with the campy ridiculousness, but also kind of the dark narrative and dark themes of what was going on. I don't know about you guys, but especially with the trophy room, I kind of felt like there was some nods to Old Man Logan with that particular scene. It felt, well, yeah, the comic specifically not.
Yeah, yeah, not the movie. Specifically Old Man Logan, which spoilers are supposed for that comic book, but at the very tail end, once Wolverine makes his kind of cross-country journey to the White House, he finds that Red Skull is there. And he has collected trophies from all of the fallen heroes. And I know that's a trope that's used a lot in this kind of scenario, but something about it.
I think it may have even been just the flashes like torn mask in particular that really just to me just kind of evoked that scene of the Red Skull standing in front of all of these trophies at the time wearing the Captain America Tattered Mask. But I don't know. That might just be me. What did you guys think?
No, absolutely. I completely agree with you. It's the same kind of story, right? And Old Man Logan, the villains finally decide, hey, we always beat up individually.
Why don't we all of this team up and defeat the heroes? And so that's what they do. And essentially, that's what the Legion of Doom has done this entire series, is work together in order to defeat the legends. And instead of just destroying all the heroes, they've been able to get rid of them.
So yeah, I think even though this is a DC property, I feel like that might have been an odd to Old Man Logan story. Maybe not. Well, they like to reference even other stories within DC, even other stories outside of DC. So I mean, I would not be surprised to find that that was intentional.
Yeah, yeah. They had Spartan, Wild Dog, Black Canary, and... Surely they have Vibe, right? I mean, they would have had those shades there.
They didn't have Vibe. Did they not? Yeah, they had C-Vibe. Oh, maybe that means he's still alive.
Maybe? He's on Earth-19. Yeah. Yeah, so do you want to talk about the science of all this yet?
Or do you want to talk about the science of the spirit destiny? There's no science. Well, no. All right, so what I mean is that I find all of this very fascinating.
And what I really enjoyed about this idea that the villains have used the spirit of destiny to essentially create a pocket universe. But I would assume exists outside of time and kind of the multiverse, even outside of the multiverse. That's the way I interpreted when I was seeing and experiencing. But what did you guys think?
Well, I kind of am hoping that in a way this creates the Earth-3 we've always wanted. Like, in this world, bad is good. Like, they could go one step further. Like, the soliloquy they had between Mick and Heatwave is one they always have on Earth-3 with Ultraman and Johnny Quake and the others.
He's like, we've conquered everything. What now? You know, like, I'd love to see that. Like, they leave this.
They still go back in time when they save everything. But now there's this parallel Earth in the multiverse where evil wins and the crime syndicate exists. And I don't know. Interesting.
You know, to me, I would want to hold off on that just because I'd like to see that in more of a truer form. Now, we know that obviously these series, all three of them, take pretty heavy creative licenses with the characters and properties, legends, chief amongst them in terms of what they've done. But I don't know. I think we're seeing something altogether unique in this season.
And I don't know that that's a bad thing. Yeah, you know, they created this universe outside. You know, I have to vanishing point outside of time. So it's, there's no telling what they could do with that.
And I think it would be kind of cool to see a crime syndicate sort of thing go on. But you know, Bo, like you said, you'd rather see it done in a, basically we're trying to say she won't see it on a legends. Right. No, no, no, no.
I actually put it on a square plug. No, no. I do think that that could actually work on the legends. I think that you could do a, I think it'd be fun to have an Earth three legends end up on Earth three somehow, which we kind of take them out of the time travel for a while.
But like put them on Earth on Earth three, or I guess on Earth probably four, because Earth three is your experience. Where literally there are evil legends. I mean, we've seen evil legends before, but I would love to see that like basically the legends of Earth, you know, Earth four have gone around and redone their timeline to create their like their perfect universe. And you know, rip under is kind of this, you know, evil emperor type of character.
I think that'd be kind of fun. Interesting. So they do throw in Vandal Savage and make their own evil empire. Yeah, essentially.
Yeah, it's exactly right. Have him essentially be the Vandal Savage about Earth. That would be very much kind of crime syndicate E. If they wanted to go that route.
Yes, but unfortunately, Rip is stuck making cakes on the way right. He's a paperweight. I love that. That was so deliciously evil.
Oh, delicious. This was a work. How many times? Go ahead.
They say delicious. Yeah, Damien Senate, Eobard Senate. Did Malcolm did Malcolm mentioned delicious on anything? No, because I think Malcolm's too, like, cool to say delicious.
John Barraman's like, no, I'm not saying we're delicious. On a show. No, John. I mean, it would say the word delicious.
I know. He's worked for paycheck. Yeah. But yeah, I cook a few good men at once.
Oh, yeah. Oh, I did. Also along with Chad Rook. Nice.
Yes. I think Katie Lutz was there too. I never got to see her. Oh, yeah.
Dude, just bring like a meme to her and she'll put it on Ross. It'll be your best friend. This was this was this. Shut up, Ross.
Making up your day. Okay. He loves his page. This was like after this was like after the first episode of Flash aired and like right after Sarah died or right before Sarah died.
So it was like in that period of oh, what's going to happen sort of thing. So like where they were they are now. We're the different people. So yeah, I got to meet them all beforehand.
That's cool. Cool. I got the shake job from his hand. See, and I would literally if I met John Barraman, I'd be like, legends what?
Let's talk about Dr. Who. Are you a who Vian? I'm very much a who Vian.
Yes. Yes. Actually, you know, I just noticed it. I was finding yes.
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay.
I see now. Is it exploding? They're the whole time, man. Everyone of my shows.
And until you mentioned Dr. Who, it just slipped by my brain. I guess it's like only see one window. Right.
Well, let's see. Explode he taught us from the Van Gogh episode or Van Gogh. Van Gogh. I love that episode, by the way.
This is I know point, but I've only seen like Dr. Who. Yeah. This welcome to Dr.
Who TV. Oh man. Y'all put me in an alternate universe. You've trapped me here.
That's what's happened. You've gotten the spirit of death. You've used it to bring your own pocket. Doctor Who universe.
You've trapped me in here and you're about to destroy the spirit. No, Bell. And we gave you a mullet. Oh, wait.
Is the balding spot in the back of my head gone? It's right with the mullet. I don't know. Oh, and we took the broken flash helmet that was supposed to go to Bell and gave it to him.
So, uh, so y'all know about that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
The cats out of the bag. Well, you know what else is out of the bag? The body bag. Oh, cold.
Oh, yeah. That's that. That was cold. Oh, there's many.
We'll catch up on the plot here. Because even though they won't have their powers in this universe, there still has to be some sort of divide between Jax and Dr. Stein in every episode. However, however, will your theory that anytime they use the flame gun effect, there will be a firestorm was proven false?
Right. So it's the first time though. This is the first time that that's happened. So I was assuming the second that Mick shot his gun when they were escaping the bank, that we were going to see firestorm this episode.
And it turns out that we did not because Victor Garber, who is also a vampire, I don't know if you're aware of this theory. Yes. Jesus Christ, man. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, Victor Garber's a vampire. He's never shown outside. Ever.
Wait, the actor or the character being pulled in here? At first we thought it was the character. But I'm pretty sure now that it's Victor Garber himself. He is a vampire.
That's good. Even last, but wait, no, he was outside during the musical episode at night. That could have been a seasound stamp. Oh, yeah, that's what it sounds like as well.
But it was at night. And of course, vampires can't go out at night. They can't go out at night. Yeah.
You can operate you under this because we've realized that they've never put Victor Garber outside. Yeah, there's a lot of intricacies about these shows that we've noticed. I've just written it for so long. But anyway.
I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it. I just pulled him up on Google Images. And you guys are totally right.
Like I'm staring at him. Wait, wait, wait. No, oh, oh, no. That's Jennifer Garner.
Wait. I don't know how that's alias. Oh, no. He was outside on alias.
He was even outside in the first season of when he was on Arrow. Was he wearing his white grip? He doesn't go outside. He was a bit so recently.
He was standing in front of a window in this shot with this guy that looks like old men Logan, Canadian actor Victor Garber and his long time partner Rainer and in Dreeson tied the knot. So this is with him and either his current or former husband. He looks like he's standing right in front of a window. Like the glare of the sun is directly on him.
Yeah, she can make that look like with the sound stage dude. Right. Lighting on the window. Also, they could be.
Well, they could have blocked the UV light with the special coating on the window. Right. Like Cyclops lenses. Dude, don't be poking holes in our theory.
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Wait, now here's the two of them walking outside. No, come on. All right.
No, just proven. He could be wearing blade type sunblock. Yes. That's a day walker.
And again, we set two. He's Jesus Christ vampire. Yeah. He's also Jesus Christ.
All right. I'm happy we got there. I'm hashtagging Victor Garber is not a vampire and copy this picture. I'm going to reply that be like, wait, are you or are you not a vampire?
I'm going to say that to Victor Garber. You got it. Mr. Garber, we'd like to interview you.
We want to talk about the alias or legends of tomorrow. No, no, no, no. First question, sir. We're not telling.
Are you a vampire? A vampire. A vampire. A vampire.
So anyway, the legends they go to go find it. Get the spear before because he once told play in his destroy it. He wants to cement this reality because that's how you become super powerful. You remove the reason or the way that your enemies can restore the timeline.
And since you're a speedster and there are no other speedsters, you're pretty much a god. He had the black flash locked up. Right. What was up with that?
Because you know, black flash, his whole goal with this more so than even to kind of rule the world was about like stopping the black flash being after him. Like was the idea that they're like torturing them the same way that the legends are being tortured just, you know. It seems so and this was something that I wanted to talk about. So we'll go into this before we get into the body bag situation there.
But there seems to be a deviation of character from Eobard in this episode. Yeah. He hates Barry Allen and he hates him so much he wants to destroy his life. That's what we saw when we saw him on flash.
Right. Now during legends we see him. He is terrified of the black flash and so his obsession there is to get rid of him. And honestly, I was thinking the easiest way to do that is just to make yourself exist again.
Right. Like the easiest thing there to be like, I know he's dead. And it seems to be like maybe he just imprisoned the black flash and he's still a time aberration. Yeah.
I agree. It definitely seems that way and that kind of confused me as well. But like I said, I think it's more of like, you know, oh, I exist now, but why let the black flash just go about its business? I want to torture this thing.
So I'm going to lock it up and, you know, and have it like almost like a fish in a tank. This is a black flash supposed to be like, it's supposed to be the patron of death for speedsters and actually almost at times helped him get into the speed force. They've killed flash. Maybe he's like, I don't want flash in the speed force.
I'm, you know, I want him dead dead. Which is another thing. They didn't, he never wanted to kill flash in season one. He couldn't because he needed the speed force.
Why is it okay now to kill him unless he really recreated reality in some way? But we had to keep flash alive. So he had a speed force. Well, it's the same thing how Damien Dark also got his magic back.
But right. That the version of Damien Dark that they got from the beginning didn't know that he had magic. So it's all future knowledge. So I mean, that's the same thing.
He could keep his speed from something else, which could be why he's given the black flash around. Well, he's a good thing too. Because I was thinking about the, the e-bar that we got from season one and kind of how his motivations were all about him wanting to go back to the future. In all fairness, that is an e-bar that's lived 15 years longer than this e-bar.
And it was stuck in the past. So now we actually have an e-bar who's accomplished his goals, has killed the flash. He now exists again. And he's ruling the world with future knowledge on top of that.
And so this idea, you know, the, the, the H. G.E.A.B. who is so focused on, oh, we can't change everything because, you know, I might wipe myself out from existence. Not a problem for this guy.
So now he gets to rule the world and do so in style. Right. Okay. So then this is kind of like once reverse flash achieves all of his goals that the, the path he might take.
Right. Well, yeah. If e-bar had achieved all of his goals, you know, in the future past, what would he have done? Like our assumption was, and I think it is, I think our assumption was and is correct in that he would have just run back to the future.
However, the reason he would have done that more so than anything else is if he was stuck in the past, he might run the risk of wiping himself out from existence, which is exactly what happened. That's not a problem for this guy. And so, you know, he's, you know, he's doing, he's doing pretty good. I mean, especially the fact that he gets to like set up headquarters in the flash's own, like, you know, layer.
Yeah. Like that's, that's, that's the insult to injury is just beautiful with all, with the way that these villains, especially e-bar has done things. Yeah. I mean, he had, oh, go ahead.
Well, sorry. Well, I'm just thinking that might also be why he held him. I mean, everything he did in this episode had a sadistic turn to it. He had, you know, a jacks or he's dying around.