2X17 Aruba

In 2015, the powerful, industrious, and balding, Bo York, decided to make a podcast dedicated to the Legends of Tomorrow. He invited all the hosts of various other shows, and it was glorious, until it wasn't. So he handed the reins over to Bell, and he went out to recruit two new podcasting legends, fighting through adversity, scheduling comfills, evil time-warner, evil net gear, and it's offspring spectrum, they've come to now. The final episode is season 2.

We are heroes, we are legends, and we are definitely... Straight out of the timeline and right into your ears. I'm Bell. I'm Kyle.

And I'm Will. And this is Legends TV Talk. Seriously, who writes this stuff? They sound like a chuckled head.

That was weird. Was it choppy for you too, Will? Yeah, it had a good... He kind of seemed like he shut down, like he's better.

He tells like a chump. Really? It was weird. Yeah, it's intratrons, I'm sure, being ludicrous.

Yeah, I'm sure. Oh my god! Yeah, how are you gentlemen doing this evening? I know it's a little bit later than our normal record time due to the efforts of the evil net gear, or what are our rimsiness?

We've prevented us from recording on our usual time on Thursday. But here we are several days later to discuss the last episode of the season for Legends of Tomorrow. Are you gentlemen prepared? I hope so.

I am very much prepared. I'm joining on Flash TV Talk as they corresponded. Oh, excellent! No, I'm not.

I think Bo would like be sad. Well, hopefully, I'll call it here pretty soon for Flash. Yes, the seasons, drawing to a close. Well, I think I'm doing one for Legends, but it's technically speaking just too hard.

I think next year we can do one over the summer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've got it kind of figured out. So, excellent.

Well, gentlemen, we have a lot to discuss for this week's episode, so I think it's time for History lesson. And now, to listen, it's time for History lesson on Legends TV Talk. Season two, episode 17, Aruba. Directed by Rob.

Ooh, I want to take you. But, oh, sorry. Yes, it's a condition. I hear the word Aruba, I have to finish this off.

Yeah, it's a ticartman with us, anyway. Yes. Can't say it. Can't say it.

Can't say it. Anyway, directed by. Out of sighted glads, written by Phil Clemer and Mark Guggenheim. Kyle, tell us what happened on this, the ultimate episode of the season.

The Legends regain contact with the Wave Rider and raid demilitarizes both it and rip. The Legends travel back to the Battle of the Somme to steal the spear before the Legion can use it. Thawn informs the Legion about the future Legends. The Legends end up interacting with their past selves, creating a time storm that prevents them from using the past Legends Wave Rider to escape when they are ambushed by Merlin, Dark, and Snart.

During the subsequent battle, the future Legends with the exception of Sarah are killed by the Battle Legion before they are in turn incapacitated by the past Legends. Thawn arrives with multiple past versions of himself to fight the team while Sarah begins to use the spear to rewrite reality, making the spear defunct and releasing the Black Flash who erases Thawn from existence. Again. With the mission complete, future Sarah fades out of existence, nake evits as a way to stay, and the Legends drop off Merlin at his apartment in 2016.

Erased Dark since Snart's memories dropping them both off in 1987 and in 2014 to live out their destinies and eventual deaths. Rip leaves the team, telling Sarah that he has taught her everything. The Legends set off her Ruba 2017 at mixed request, but find themselves in Los Angeles 2017 which, due to their meddling in time, now has buildings from different time periods and is swarming with dinosaurs. So yeah.

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You don't head to college series. That's true. That's true. Kind of, you know, is going to be off the wall, you know, across the board here on this one.

So let's, let's just bite into it. Got kinda the last question. Who have you guys perceiving the one that's entering the stallruck? It was, it was good.

Up until um, they decided not to keep Snart and Faunaround and then everything just hit the wall. Yeah right. Like that was a big thing that I was not expecting them to do at all. I thought that this was going to be an avenue for them to bring Snart and reverse flashback for a potential villainy on the flash.

and they decided to not do that at all, and instead continue with the timeline that they've established and just have Eabard get erased and Thon get set up to eventually die, sacrificing himself in the end of season one. So yeah, that was that. It was an extra sketch. It literally was an extra sketch.

It's like, they were like, oh, we do this really great picture. All season long, it's, you've got spears, you've got realities, we're gonna bring your favorite villains back, and they're not really dead, and this is great. Oh wait, picture's done. All right, turn it over, shake it up.

Okay, we'll be doing next year. You know, it literally was like, this season did not need to happen at all. Yeah, yeah, it's, well, we will see what the repercussions are next season with the dinosaurs and stuff, but yeah, it feels like everything that was accomplished here, especially everything that happened since the battle of the Psalm in 1917, everything that happened on the show there, doubly didn't matter, because all those people were raised from existence. And so, you know, we predicted this last week where there was going to be a lot of death this episode, and it turned out that there was, and it made perfect sense since the why they're going to kill all those people, and because they're duplicates, you know, they're gonna disappear when they fixed time anyway, so you know, why not just kill them for some cheap emotional impact?

Yeah, it's cheap. They're like, it's fine. It's great, actually. That was great, actually.

Very impactful. Yeah, like, you know, I thought it would be more impactful than it was when he died, and I was like, oh no, wait, hold on, there's still another ray. And I was like, that's exactly how Ray was with Mick. He's like, no, Mick, he's like, I'm right here.

I know, right? Like I'm so glad they know, right? They know, they're writing the show, and they know that, okay, all these people are going to die, and it's going to be, you know, quote, it's going sad, but not really, because they're still right there. Right.

So, Will, did you think it felt cheap to kill those characters, or was it something that they just needed to do as opposed to have them all fade out? I mean, what did you feel about that? I kind of had a feeling they were going to do it. It's like kind of why they, you know, it's the only reason to send them back really.

I mean, to be honest, I still, and I know that they acknowledge it, I know they said something about like, well, like time, real of you hasn't such yet, which is BS, because you said earlier that, you know, be the resume. Like being able to go back to the 1916 of Before the Spear, makes absolutely no sense to me because you were in a new timeline, you were in a new timeline in reality. Like the 1916 of that reality should have been one where the spear of destiny belonged to Eobard Thon. Yeah, and I think this is the big talking point that we should start off on, is that time travel in an altered reality shouldn't behave the same way as it does in a regular reality.

So that begs the question, how do we explain that away? Is that just a, is it a huge plot hole? Or is there a way that they can explain that, that isn't going to just make much people mad? I don't know, Kyle, I mean, is this something that has something to do with the fact that they activated the spear and the vanishing point?

Or why wouldn't Thon just erase that period from existence in his future? I don't think it's anything like that. I think it's honestly, they did just the whole thing where reality hasn't set in. It's like, it's not cement.

That worked for me, in the sense that I gave an explanation. I don't really, I didn't really care that the whole, all of reality wasn't changed at, like, to begin with. It was like, was sleeping back in time. I was okay with that explanation.

So it's like, so basically the way that they're explaining this is that the spear is activated and then, like you drop a rock and a pond and the ripple goes out and it doesn't hit, you know, the edges of the pond until the ripple propagates through. So they're basically going back in time before the ripple has hit 1917. And that's what they're doing. Okay, so that's kind of how they're trying to explain it.

But, right. But the one thing they said during the episode was the previous one was like, they made it feel like it was a year. Like, they've all been in this life for a year. Right, right.

Yeah, but they're definitely good to time it. Now, do reality propagation waves travel at, you know, one year per every year? So it would take, you know, The speed of a coffin. The stuff in the week was purely time.

Yes, yes. So I guess it was 1916. Yeah, it takes a year, every year that passes, that ripple has passed both one year into the future and one year into the past. I guess, I guess, I guess.

So it's like a hundred years of, of, of, of Eobard's new reality for it to impact 1917. And then again, you gotta ask yourself, okay, so what happens, okay, when you get to 33 AD? Like the spear has no more power anymore. So could it only change reality after 33 AD when it pierced Christ or, you know, was it always imbued with this essence?

These are the questions I wanna know. Apparently I still got a lot of shit down here. Yeah, no, they've been so, yeah. So, you know, granted it's got several thousand years, if we're gonna go with the whole, it takes a year for the, you know, I guess reality propagation wave to travel a year before it's a backwards of time.

They have to stop. You just paid up tech speed, the reality propagation wave. Well, you know, it'll be a thing now. Yeah, yeah.

Well, that means it's a big part of the collection, too. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, how else, you know, if they stayed in the, in Doom World for a year, then, you know, reality takes a while to propagate out.

So I'm just gonna assume that it's one year. Yeah, but I have a theory that it's two years for every year. Well, I would like to see your math. I've done the math.

I took a reality propagation one at one. It's part of it. When you were in the 38th century. Yeah, it was about that in grade school.

Yeah, it's advanced, you know, stuff for you guys, but it's pretty much grade school for me. So yeah, that does make an interesting question though. So Sarah made the spear ineffective and also released the Black Flash. That's the only two things that she changed.

Out of all of reality, the things that she could have done, she just made the staff inert and released the Black Flash. Thank you, Sarah Lance. You could have at least given us your utopia. Just saying.

Right. Just saying. You could have at least maybe, I don't know, recent elections could have been undone. Just saying.

Yeah, all sorts of things. All manner of things. But we just got a Black Flash and an inert staff. Yeah, exactly.

So yeah, now this is this was interesting. So when that reality propagation wave travels back to 33 AD and, you know, because it doesn't have its power until it's pierced the side of Christ. I just don't think that it's going to have any power period. It's just going to stab and then just it needs to be unpowered up, right?

Like it's not going to have any power. Right. Yeah. So does that impact the divinity of the Christ?

By making his voice. She's totally pissed. That's how she's tempted. She's like, no, no, no, Christ lived.

He's good. He lived at like 75. He's all right. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. That would be hilarious. But it would be awful.

You can have a Christian dude. You can't do that. Well, no, I mean, like, you know, he's got to find a way to save people. Here we go.

It's a theological TV talk. Theology 101. I also learned in my advanced training in grade school. But yeah.

So anyway, that's me, the here nor there. But it is interesting, though, why Sarah just chose to change those two things about the future as opposed to anything else? And again, it harps back to you the fact that everyone, I think, was thinking that this was going to be our opportunity to get Eobard and Captain Colbak. But I think Eobard's back.

OK. I talked about that. Yeah. Yeah.

Give me some theories. Let's throw him out here. OK. OK.

Here's the thing. Yes. I know he had many Eobards. But one of the things they talked about was that this version of Eobard is Doom World.

So this version of Eobard, after she depowered the spear, would have just disappeared anyway. Because he locked up. I'm assuming he locked up. Now, this might be some head fan, fiction, whatever you want to call it.

But I'm assuming he locked up 1916 Eobard or told him, you know, go somewhere else. You know, I've got, you know, he was Bifftan into himself. He's like, you know, shut up kid. Hello, hello, you know, you're making me crazy here.

Yeah. But I think he liked. So I think, you know, he was like, look, get out of here. I've got this.

So 1916 Eobard is still running around. And so now the Black Flash shows up. Thanks to Eobard. And then he of art will just disappear to his belly or whatever, because he sees to exist anyway.

And poof, the Black Flash thinks he's done his job and we get to be a part because there's now an Eobard that is existing through a loophole in time and space. But then why did all the other Eobards disappear? Because they were out of time. They were not out of reality.

This guy is from a different, totally different reality. So where did those other E-Bards come from? Did they come from the other? He came from his future.

I would think from his future. But no, it's from his past. Yeah. Oh, well, from his past of Doom World.

Don't forget, he comes from Doom World. He doesn't come from our world. We got reality propagation waves going on here. Remember?

So we're only here in the past, dude. Yes, we got one from some years back. He can only go back one year in Doom World because that's as far as that wave has traveled. I'm telling you, I think this is how they keep Eobard.

Just because he's like, they came up with the idea of time remnants anyway. But that's true. I mean, this whole thing, I mean, it could be like, well, this is the way out. The Black Flash got his Eobard.

He's happy. He's stated. Ari Eobard, or 1916 Eobard, or Flashpoint Eobard, let's go on, who went back to 1916 can still exist. Well, so it's interesting, though, because the only flat, the only part that we see, the only reverse flash that we see are the past selves and the Doom World Eobard in 1917.

Now, the first time they go there, he doesn't show up until later. So when they first go to 1917, they're all about to turn the spear over and then Eobard shows up right in the last moment. So he hadn't arrived yet until later in the original time that they go there. So the second time is that 1917 original Eobard going to show up after Doom World Eobard and all the other time, written Eobard to disappear and then be like, oh, what happened?

So that's basically what you're saying. So he is now just, it's interesting because the Black Flash thinks that he's gotten rid of him, but he got rid of Doom World Eobard. But I don't know who would have disappeared anyway. He never had the chance.

That's true. Because Sarah too was still alive at that point. Yeah, and then she faded out afterwards. And by the way, Stephen the Verge, who was actually in the chat room, says two things first, nobody no death.

And he said, and he said, also could get fixed in episode one of season three, like Barry fixed Flashpoint. Well, that's a separate part. Let's check it on Flashpoint. Yeah, see, it's an interesting conundrum that they had themselves in because I was hoping that what we would see, because I was kind of thinking the same thing.

I was like, wait, this is Doom World Eobard. And then all these other time, it's one of the way, which kind of got me thinking, okay, maybe it doesn't matter that it's Doom World Eobard because the previous Eobards went away as well. So the 1917 Eobard, I wish there had been some kind of maybe like hint or a little drop that they are going to keep that character around. But like as of right now, we don't know.

We don't know. You can't get rid of Eobard on. Especially, oh, he's the Joker to Flash. Not like it's the game.

Yeah, it's Flashpoint. Yeah, it's tomorrow. If you're going to get rid of Eobard, you get rid of him on Flashpoint. And then I'll never really get rid of him.

Yeah, exactly. No, I'm pretty sure that he's going to come back. He's going to be, oh, I was in the time, I was in the speed force and I'm safe. It's like the day we went through.

What a de-sabitar. See, no, that's a better possibility. I mean, yeah, I don't know. You just can't, you're right.

You can't kill the guy on a spinoff. It would be like taking a character like Captain Kirk and killing him in the next generation. Oh, wait. Oh, man.

It had a horrible, horrible way that really did not help the character. I mean, they wouldn't do it. No, they didn't kill him. He was in the Nexus.

And then he got killed. It was terrible. It was awful. It was like, it was like, it was funny.

I fell down. I fell down and I can't get up. Quick find me a green chick. It's like, that's my mom.

I don't care. I kind of want to go to the Nexus. I think that would be pretty cool. It would be.

Yeah. Nah, I like reality. I've got the best girl ever. So, you know, she's listening.

I'm just saying though, if I was in the Nexus right now, you're going to be on the Flash. And so we can't be cold. Well, Stephen the Birch says he doesn't want to give the writers that much credit regarding EFR being servitor. So, good point, Stephen.

Thank you. I like it. So, yeah, that would be really, really interesting to see if it was actually EFR to servitor. I don't think they're going to go that route.

I think, I hope this isn't the case. But it's been two seasons since we've seen EFR on the Flash. So it's like, maybe that character is kind of out of people's minds and they're not thinking about as much, but like, I don't think so. Yeah.

I don't know. Stephen brought it up this year regarding Harrison and stuff. That's true. That's true.

So, I mentioned him. And plus, I mean, those are two bad, you know, E-Bards, obviously the Barry's big bad, but Sabotar's also a big bad in that sense. And so it'd be kind of cheap. Well, he's a wall.

He's big bad. Yeah, he's a wall. He's big bad. He's not supposed to be Barry's and he's not even really wall.

He's big bad. He was wrong for like two things and then bury eight of them up when he came back and rebirth. Don't be starting on that either. Hey, I love rebirth.

Jeff Johnson do no wrong. Really? Jeff Johnson do no wrong? Fides are going to be.

It was only 50. 52 as it comes sucked. I actually enjoyed the Justice League run. Justice League gave it to two run.

I don't think I read it. I didn't really read a lot of them. It was okay. It was okay.

It wasn't great. It was there. That's a problem. Yeah.

It looked really nice. I mean, Jim Lee can draw still, but still. So, I mean, if you like crosshatching, that is everyone likes crosshatching. There's no Robleyfield.

So, oh, stop now. That's just insulting. Hey, I met him. Okay.

I met him. I got his autograph. Really? Did he have really small feet?

Yeah. He was really bulky. He was really bulky. Just like all of his other people.

You have small feet? I have no idea. Did he have a bunch of pouches? I guess.

No, he kind of leaned over when he took the picture with me too. Like, why are you leaning over? He's hiding his feet. I got everything.

No, I got everything. He's got a feet. How many people look at that man's feet? Everybody has to, right?

Why? Why are you? I know I've heard him. I'm on his feet.

Because he's ever tall. He's got these really, well, some of my detailed characters with these big arms, big calves, big thighs, and little feet. I guess I really have a note about the feet. I just know Captain America being all bulky and being like, why did you do this?

Oh, he's Captain America. It's hilarious. I didn't work way off the topic, but. Oh, welcome to 90s Image Comics TV talk.

Well, no, 90s Marvel TV talk. Come on now. Get it right. God.

He did Captain America. He was part of Image. There was this whole thing with Heroes Reborn, which was, they brought Image writers and artists back. Oh, that.

Okay. And I still read Sam and Dragon. Sorry. The famous picture.

I'm going to post. We can't see it right. I'm posting it in the chat. I'm posting the one that doesn't have a picture of that where they take that leaf field.

They imagine him naked. It's just really, really weird. He has a bigger press than my mom did. Like his spine.

He's either got like a 52 inch waist or like his spine is so curved back. Yeah, it's insane. But that's leaf field for you. Anyway, we can talk about Rob.

Will he be drawing legends TV talk? Yeah, I know, right? I need to go and get him to a brogue issue. That way.

I should draw an issue of the brogues in leaf field style and just or life field style and just not have any feet or hands. If they have all guns everywhere guns. Yeah, guns everywhere that are drawn in the wrong perspective and pouches pouches. Oh, yes.

Many pouches. Yes. Unnecessary shoulder straps. Yes.

That might have it. I think glowing eye. No. Only one glowing eye.

Only one glowing eye. Anyway, I think we spent enough time making fun of poor Rob life field. I'm sorry Rob life field. You are actually an inspiration to a lot of comic artists because you came from literally no training and nothing and just got a job drawing comics.

I think that's I think that's a special thing. Sorry. I didn't get that one. I'm sorry.

I didn't get that one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I didn't get that one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Yes. So back to 1916. Back to legend. Welcome back to legend.

Stevie. Talk. I'm your host with me as always. It's really cool.

And yes. So where does this leave the legend? So we talked about Captain Cold and Eabard not coming back. That was one of the big things that we thought was going to happen this season.

But that's not the case. So instead Sarah set the timeline back so that both Eabard and cold. There we go. Are going to start and dark.

Not Eabard. Yeah. Eabard's gone. So he's not coming back.

So reality wasn't fixed in that way. Although he still might be alive as we mentioned. And then we also have dark and snark having their memories erased and placed back in the timeline to suffer their ultimate fates. This was not a good move.

I mean, unless there's some kind of way to bring Eabard back. I think that was kind of a cop out sort of move. I would have liked to have seen some more mobility between these characters going between Flash and Legends, especially snark. But I don't know.

It leads us into an interesting state. Where do we go from here? Why does every villain have to die at the end of the season? Right.

Like why is it? Think about it. Verse Flash. Zoom.

And then I'll go over to Arrow. I mean, except for Deathstroke. Deathstroke is the only villain that hasn't died on a show at the end of the season. And he can't come back.

He's doing like 65 other things. That's true. Yeah. And so they got this idea that we have to kill the big bad or warp him into a speed demon.

Yeah. And I just don't know if that's necessarily sustainable. We have the issue. The reason why we even have Legends of Tomorrow as a show to begin with is the fact that they had too many characters on the hero side of things.

And so these are characters that they couldn't dedicate the time to on Arrow or Flash. And so they just made a spin off here for those characters to inhabit. And we thought we were going to get some rotating casts and we haven't really seen a lot of rotation. But yeah, why do we have to keep getting our villains killed?

Why can't it instead be a thing where popular villains maybe fight the Legends? I don't know. But they've gotten into this shtick of just killing off all the bad guys. And so that kind of leads us into a situation where eventually all the bad guys are going to be dead.

Who are they going to fight? You can't have heroes without villains. Right. So yeah, it's kind of an interesting situation that we're in.

But you can have villains without heroes. Look at God Ham. That's true. God Ham.

I hate that show. I enjoy that show. I'm sorry. We're going to go on a little tangent here again.

We're going to talk about it. It's related. It's related in the vein of talking about villains and heroes and stuff. But we're going to talk about some God Ham.

I have not seen anything outside of the first season. And I've heard that because the first season was just kind of like it was totally all over the place. I didn't really know where they were trying to go with it. Like you'd have these super serious moments that would be like, you know, super emotional whatnot.

And then you'd have like a joke that was cracked. It's completely ruined it. You had the whole joke. I'm sorry.

You had the whole jeremy thing. I felt the jeremy as the joker was sort of weird but interesting kind of idea. Jerome. I see you know, Jeremy Jerome.

Say whatever. And in the red hood thing with the hood driving people crazy, I thought that was like a neat concept that they went with. But overall, I just didn't care about fish moony. I liked penguins rise to power.

Didn't care about fish moony. But now I've heard, I hadn't seen any of these in two so you guys are going to fill me in on this. They sort of do the same thing legend says, which is embrace the camp and sort of go off the the walls with it and kind of just go nuts. Is that when it's been in season two?

Has it been more of an, it's been in season two and then in season three too. Oh, so yeah, that's right. It's season isn't it? Yeah.

It's not Batman. Like you, why call it Gotham? Like it's not a Batman show. Because there's no Batman.

Because Gotham is its own character. Yeah, I get that. I mean, like Gotham's a character for sure. But you know what?

You're bringing in Batman's villains and it's like, it's a classic W big where the villain, they think the villains are more compelling than Batman is. And I'm like, Batman's good enough. He's not in school when he's doing all this. I can agree with that.

I did too. But I'm thinking of like, there was like an animated show that was going to be like Gotham and junior high and he was going to have all of his villains be there. And I'm like, this is cool. Oh, I heard about that.

I thought that was a hoax. At least I thought it was like I was. They talked about it, but they never went through it. Like, I liked Kevin Smith, though.

He came up with a really good idea. He was like a skulls type organization on a private school campus and Bruce Wayne is going there just to tear it down. And in that skulls organization, you can have Harvey Dent because he's like, comes from Gotham money, you know, and you can even have like a cobble-pop-ated charge. It was like, OK, that makes sense.

And again, you've got Batman learning to be Batman. He's going to be a detective. And he's going to figure out what this whole thing is about. And I get the thing.

I think an important thing about a lot of these Batman villains is a lot of them need to be from Gotham because very rarely, because everybody has a connection to their hometown, right? You grow up in a place. You love it. You hate it, but it leaves an impact on you.

So it would be kind of weird to me for a lot of these villains just to, if Batman's in Gotham, don't go to Gotham. Start your criminal enterprise elsewhere. But Gotham is their city. And so this urge for them to kind of control their city, they were born here.

They were raised here. They grew up here. Like, it's really weird to see Batman, as I know him, fighting villains that in the Gotham reality would be 25 years older than he is. Yeah, exactly.

When he's full of Batman, it's just kind of weird to me. But Kyle, you're saying that they've kind of embraced that sort of campaign in a similar way that Legends has? Yeah. And they also found a way to bring Jerome back, sorry, spoilers.

I've seen that. Yeah. They brought him back. So they're really making him be the Joker, basically.

OK. What you can't have without Batman? I know it. It's really weird.

I'm sorry. I'm a purist. I'm a purist. You can't have one without the other.

He could still turn out to be the Joker and not be the Joker right now in the future. A Joker, not the Joker. Oh, no. Maybe.

He could definitely be the Joker. Interesting. So but as far as like how the campiness of Gotham goes, are they doing the serious camp route, or are they making fun of themselves camp route like Legends? Serious camp route.

Right. OK. So they're just going full blown, you know, bat shark repellent, but in a serious manner. Yeah.

Interesting. Interesting. I don't know. I like the Legends style of it.

Maybe I'll get Gotham a chance because I hear that Bruce Wayne's going to be starting training to become Batman in the new season. Yes. Has he already started training or is it something that's not? He's going to start his actual training.

OK. So he's like, you know what? I want to be a crime fighter or is he just like, I need to protect myself because I've been kidnapped 8,000 times during the course of this shows. Or how are they handling that?

I'm going to assume it's going to be because he's been kidnapped so many times. They haven't really didn't explain it last time. So I'm sure they will explain it when they come back, when they're hired us. No.

OK. Well, so that's going to be at least these shows are embracing that sort of campy attitude. And I think it did a really good job for Legends season 2 to embrace that. And it really made it a lot better to watch.

I agree. And so that kind of leads us into, you know, we have a situation where the characters that we wanted to see on Flash are not going to be there this entire season. Where are we? Where are we?

It's possible. Yeah. Anything's possible when you have writers who can control the universe without a spear of destiny. Because all that to do is just write it and it happens.

So it leads us to a point where we have the end of this episode and where we have dinosaurs in Los Angeles with Big Bend and the Skyline and all this kind of stuff. Where is this going to go from here? We're not seeing villains that we wanted on Flash, at least in this particular way. We have dinosaurs in New York.

Is this going to be something, is Legends season 3 going to be something that's going to affect any of the other shows? Where are they going with it? What do you think? Well, they didn't really affect any other shows when they changed reality.

I don't think they're going to do that because they already did it kind of once with Flash Point and we all know how well that went over. I think they're going to bring in a butcher his name, Kimmudi, Kamani. Yeah, Kamani. Yeah, Kamani.

These future boy, Jack Kirby. Yeah, they're going to bring him to the last boy on Earth. Yeah. That's where they're going with that angle.

Okay. Yeah. So basically they're going to say they broke time. It's going to be like the seven, eight, nine of crisis.

Yeah. That's what they said at the end. They're like, we broke time. Well, so that leads an interesting question.

Have they only broken the time on their show? I mean, what about all these other universes live here and did they break the time for them? Well, using the temporal causality wave theory that I have studied, it'll take them approximately 12 months to get a full Earth and temporal causality wave effect. Okay.

So that means when the shows come out of hiatus in the end of April, the temporal rep will not have made it to... No, it will have only made it to sense at Boulevard. I see. I see.

Yes. I see shows being as independent as they are. It's kind of weird for them to pop up and do something as drastic as what they did at the end of season two of Legends of Tomorrow. And so this makes me think this is going to be one of those things where in order to alleviate confusion and make it so that the impact on the other shows won't be a big head scratcher for viewers, will they have the dinosaur in Los Angeles problem fixed at the end of season three, episode one?

Yeah. Okay. So it's going to be like Flashpoint. Yeah.

Kyle, do you think it's going to be like their like that Flashpoint-esque sort of thing? Okay. It's something they'll have done to save it will cause them to go somewhere else and start a whole new thing. They'll have them with Guffin and they'll fix it and...

And it'll come in. You have to take C'mon D back home. Oh, they got to bring... Yeah.

Well, so that's the thing though. We had Vandal Savage, we had the Spear of Destiny with the Legion of Doom in season two. What kind of like time bandits or time villains? Is it just going to be bouncing around fixing time aberrations?

I mean, what's going to be our overarching plot? Is it to take the last Juma Boy? What was his name? C'mon D.

C'mon D. C'mon. K-A-M-A-D-I. Okay.

I don't know. I'm curious to see where they're going to go with this because obviously they have a problem that they have to fix and I agree with you guys. I think it's going to be fixed at the end of season three, episode one. But once that's fixed and they fix the time quake, where do they go from there?

I think they put a stake through Victor Gerber's heart. It's just ended once and for all. But yeah, it's weird that look at Gideon's time logs and Victor went back to like 33 AD because you know he's also Jesus Christ as a vampire. Right?

He's going to make the Destiny, because he's going to make it work again. He's going to change reality so that bad guys can't use it. I guess. I don't know.

I'm going to put a lock code on the spear. It's going to be like your iPhone. You just move your finger across it in a certain pattern. Yeah.

That's a swipe code. A swipe code. That's a spear testing. So I don't know.

There haven't been casting rumors or anything that's far. I think the only thing we know thus far is that Rip Hunter will be back in season three. Now we saw him leave at the end of the episode, but we know that he's going to be back. I'm curious as to what context he's going to be.

I feel like he could still stay on the team as like you know, Sarah can still be Captain and Rip can still be on the team because he has a lot of knowledge of the time stream. He doesn't know like a knowledge of all these different like timey, whiny things, right? So I think he'd be a valuable asset to the team. But from what I've seen there, I don't think he's going to be a series regular.

Kyle, do you know anything about that? Like is he coming back for just a couple episodes or is this going to be a big series long arc for him? As far as I know, Guggenheim has only said this. He's got they said we've got plans for Rip next year.

It's just in a different capacity than him being a member of the team. So interesting. So who knows? Okay.

Here's my thinking. They've been trying to operate without time masters for a while since this whole thing started. All right. Since he had to see someone.

I could see them being like, you know what? We screwed up. We need time masters. We need to have time masters in play.

And what are their mission next year? They're new time masters. Right. What if next year the mission is rebuild the time masters, put them back in fantasy point, you know, they had a job to do, you know, and go through time trying to find time masters.

So basically they'd be like recruiting time masters just like they were recruited as legends and so they can put them on the vanishing point. Right. Exactly. They would send rings out to 3,600 worthy individuals and put them on a planet in the center universe.