This is the place where sports opinions collide dead in sports. I'm your host, can it be ench? Joining me as usual is Nick from the No Disrespect podcast. You got it wrong.
Can you mean disrespectful? Yeah, I'm gonna keep it up. I'm gonna keep it up. I got some hot takes already.
So yeah, go ahead. I'm gonna miss the no disrespect. That was FIFO and of course, busy for 30. Alright, so basketball man, I want to do this man.
Well, I was I saw a CBS sports article that's broke that was breaking down every question for every team. The headline Dwight out with butt injury. Yeah, I saw that somebody made a joke and saying like so he's really he literally has a pain in his ass. That's what he's been doing for all his teams.
Oh, Lonzo playing Wednesday. Okay, that's what's up about time. Yeah, the final year with the bronze set about Lonzo coming back. No, we say he'll be great phenomenal for our second unit.
He said second unit. Second unit. That's not me. You can go either or I mean, I'm just saying I would want to say when I said Ronald should start for the whole season, he was like I don't know about that.
Well, he is coming off of injury. So yeah, I think he met that even if he was. I think Lonzo is in a perfect position to try to outplay Rondo because both of those guys like how many teams have their starting point guard in the back of point guard basically the same guy. Yeah, it doesn't happen.
So the reason why I bring that up, Lonzo could learn so much from Rondo in a short amount of time. And I think that at this point, Lonzo has way more upside because look at look at Lonzo's rookie year numbers and compare that to Rondo's every year numbers. Right. Basically the same thing.
Lonzo has more upside right now. Lonzo even with the funky shot. So me as a better shooter than what Rondo was coming up because at least Lonzo was on issue that Ronald didn't even want to look at anything his first four or five years like Rondo is like Ben Simmons. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, Ronald can shoot. Yeah. Right.
I was all sending people up. Exactly. So so so Ron can make those comments. But I think that Lonzo this year can outplay himself from the from the bench to the start of the line up.
I really think you can do that. And me personally, I would like to see him more with the starting lineup mainly because that second unit is going to need a set up guy. You know what I'm saying somebody to kind of control the pace. Because you're playing with LeBron.
I think it diminishes Rondo just a little bit. Rondo can still be Rondo because I've seen it. You know what I'm saying? But I just think that Rondo would be more beneficial to that second spot.
I agree with you word for word if you just switch Rondo with Lonzo for that example. Because for me coming off of injury being with LeBron will LeBron be on your team. I think people meant like once. No, no, no, no, I'm saying like even when he's healthy, I think with the pressure that so you think I still come up.
He should still let it let it arrive for this season. Let's see let him let him learn and mature with with the offense as it is with the second unit because nobody's gonna he'll be the focal point at second unit now and he'll be able to do whatever he wants to do because he has to show that he's a score. Not as the number two pick. What are we drafting him for Jason Kias but Jason kid had a better shooting form and learned how to shoot.
They called him. Oh, asin. Yeah, I'm saying but a shooting form. Shoot it for him.
He was the winner. The guy that's your capen for this season who you think is going to be the most approved player of the year folks you the whole point of your the reason why you think he's gonna be that is because he changed his jump shot and he's gonna get he's gonna shoot or score 18 points again. So how can second pick and heavy a draft there damn how he can shoot. I'm just saying magic can shoot.
There's a very pain. You want to keep going? You want to keep going with all the part I couldn't shoot but made their mark uniquely. Right.
As a point guard. This is the reason why I love playing point guard. You can be the most unique player on the court. It doesn't matter if I scored.
It doesn't matter if I'm a setup guy. It doesn't matter what I do as long as I do it well. I'm gonna get the peaches if he starts to see the most is he's the most unique player on let's me read you J.J. is field goal percentage.
Rookie year start with the rookie year. 38 percent. 38 percent. Yes.
Field goal percentage. 38 percent. 40 percent. 36 percent.
42 percent. 41 percent. Like it didn't improve. She didn't ever because he started getting like later later later.
Was that was that when he was still with the Nets that later. Like Phoenix yeah. Or Dallas. I don't definitely Dallas the Phoenix.
Yeah. I don't definitely Dallas in New York. He was in threes then but at that point all I'm saying is your point was in Los Angeles was close to 50 percent rookie year. Yeah a lot of levels right.
Yeah. It doesn't matter at all. No no no. I feel you but I'm pointing that we're shooting is we're in a era we're in the greatest point guard era of NBA right.
So what and what are these what is the main. What is the main thing that you could say about these point guards. Some of them are really point guards they're really you know two guards you know just playing the point. So with that being said as the number two pick I'm saying that because they put a lot of draft capital on a player right.
You don't want him to be Rondo you want him to be better than Rondo but the reason why I know you use market of folks as your example but what did my folks didn't Washington score he got buckets so you can't you can't use that example of someone as a pass first point and he contributed like I love Rondo Jason kid was the second round in as a champion. I love Rondo second pick but I love Rondo but he isn't you don't draft a player to become wrong you want to be better you want to learn that in tangible is what if you're laughing to be Jason kid right. If you just they pretty much say he was. That's right.
That's his cop. Yeah. Yes but with the way he plays now do you think he will be Jason kid. Yes.
I don't think he can rebound. He can he can he can he can pass the ball down good but what you want him to do is you want him to be competitive with these point guards you want him to be one of those top five right but but what would be in that conversation if you can't score like no no no no. He just got the point guard you can still dominate the game. Because you're eluding to that I have to fight fire with fire and as a point guard know you have all of the fire you want if I'm coming with ice if I'm coming with win I could deflect a lot of that stuff just because stuff curries my hang on fifty on me doesn't mean that I played a bad game that's what separated the good point guards in the great is to still dominate what happened to score.
I'm not going with the twelve because a lot of that's affected by when you know he got older yeah but for the most part is average it's true average was 14 points is. You wanted one of the greatest point guards. I was a different league at that time to be no no no no no no no Jason kid is a multi-generational player it doesn't matter when he played 60s the 2040s it don't matter Jason can't play the game of basketball I understand that but Jason kid and if you if you look at those that right now Jason kid is not a top-point guard with those stats you are shitting me have I whatever I know I'm not talking about in this in this league right now yes you would be I don't think you know I'm just off numbers off off of the contest the I test I test he showed he's good I just like just like the I test with Lonzo like you can see it in him but I'm saying as the number two pick I'm not gonna say he's top five is really you know I'm the same but in this area you expect more holistically you want to see the point you know yes but JK also did like my fuck is up but he's the one off that percentage stuff no I'm talking about when you look at when he played competition I'm talking about I test I'm the biggest critic of lies no ball but he's calling but even I like you talking crazier than I've ever taught I'm saying you want him to be he played defense he doesn't play lockdown defense but but that does see I feel that a lot of what you're saying is pure hyperbole because you don't have to be a lot down defender to be considered a great defender AI was not a lot down defender but he averaged the most exactly he had the most steals so so you don't have to be able to be Dennis Robin or Michael Jordan or Bobby Pippin you can be a great defender in your own right but you're not putting you're not putting Lonzo on the on Steph Curry you know I'm not by the time yes you can because it's because Curry is gonna cook him every way but cook everybody exactly my point my point my point is my point is he doesn't make a difference he doesn't make a difference when it comes to competition as of right now my point my whole point is at with that draft stock you want to make sure that he is the best one of the greatest Lakers of all time right because he's the number two pick and what you say and he came in with so much height so he's not in that trajectory I'm saying if he as long as it's a slow build he has to learn so I'm not saying that right now because at least how I'm interpreting it and I feel that the people listening to this are gonna interpret it that way you're saying he was a second pick and he needs to be producing at even a better clip than what he is and I know I've been on the record of saying that it takes three to five years for young players to fully develop or for you to actually see and it's something like Nick wants him to be that right now no no I'm saying I'm saying the reason why I would I would bench him and start round though is because he still needs to learn a lot based off what I saw as rookie year so I was right there do you think that he's gonna learn more with the second unit or playing alongside a LeBron more I think he's gonna learn from the bra regardless because he's in the building but but but but you have but the way you learn from somebody is by playing with them you can watch and learn a lot I'm not I'm not discrediting that I think that's huge however as a point guard right you have to play with the guys to know what their tendencies are highly like the ball you like me and you right we have a lot of chemistry where I can just give you a little slight look I could give you three different looks and you know exactly what I want you to do if me and you and play as much basketball as we play can we do that no Lonzo needs to establish that chemistry with LeBron and I think the reason why for me the point of moving Rondo to the bench is because that bench squad needs a leader when you look at that bench squad and you're looking at possibly Josh Hart you're looking at Stevenson you're looking at McGee you're looking at Beasley you're looking at all of these journey main guys that have never really stuck anywhere they need a guy to lead them to do to accomplish what Luke wants them to do and you're telling me that that's gonna be Lonzo right now today Oh no I'm saying that I'm what I'm saying is look you have LeBron in the building right LeBron we all know LeBron is LeBron way of the highway for the most ever since he's been on any team it won't be an L.A. with with with right now he has right now him right now right now him and Rondo magic job depends on LeBron a lot like moving forward magic can be magic magic magic didn't look get LeBron he would be calling for a job next to any if he didn't get any free as his own job yeah because he knows he had to get somebody he already had a lot of the party to do the job so he was gonna leave okay because the media is gonna come out of my thing is with with a look right now LeBron and Rondo have a really great if you've been looking at their interviews they've been talking really highly about each other he does he has not mentioned Lonzo outside of the fact of I like the kid I want him to be there who has even who has even talking a lot on social media because I'll be up to talk about Ingram you've seen him with Kuzma and you even seen him with heart because they don't exactly like a lot of been there also when you look at the the dynamic between LeBron and Rondo right like let's not forget that in a playoff game Rondo had a 40-point triple double against LeBron's he let's not forget seven you know I'm saying like like they have a lot of professional respect for one another and how they view the game their IQ their their their feel for the game right and when I've seen both of those guys play I feel that the type of chemistry that they have is is is other world and if you look at the Lakers now they're making too many extra passes right and I think that that's a problem with Rondo and LeBron now will they calm that down a little bit it will LeBron take more of a scoring world role of course because I think LeBron will is gonna realize as the season plays out brother this guy all he does is yeah this guy all he does is they need me a score and he's gonna pass and score however at the end of the day what I bear bones what I'm trying to say is that I believe that Rondo will be better served to lead the second unit and that doesn't mean that I'm saying that Lonzo should be in the game to close games because I think in this NBA it's more about who closes versus who starts and I think Rondo is probably gonna close more games than so however I think that that second unit throughout the course of the game need Rondo's leadership to do what they need to do because there's nobody else outside of LeBron that can do that with that and his experience we get a lot of those young guys easier shots to and my thing is LeBron has always shown that he does not like younger players he always likes vets so that's another reason why I think Rondo will be starting for the season and on top of that with Lonzo coming off of injury he doesn't he it's a slow burn with this season it's all about developing and making sure we're good for next season because that's another free agent class that we're trying to get money and they don't have money and everything all the players that they got now half and I'm probably gonna be off the squad by then anyway so my thing is let Lonzo come easy in because I honestly think like you said with Lonzo starting he's he's just one of those players he was talking about is gonna pass the ball he ain't really gonna take he's not the aggressive player on that team he's not one of them and I think what he what Lonzo can be he has a lot of potential I think he can be better than Rondo he can be up there with kid he might even be able to pass kid if he really homes it on his skills but right now you gotta you really have to take your time when I'm because it's looking real scary as far as if he doesn't develop right he could be a boss you find it right now yeah you want to go through all the teams well how do they do it well the first question for the Lenna Hawks was I'll go to go or start with the Hawks how do they what do they have with Trey young I think they have the potential I'm not saying he is but the potential second-time this left-curry games are extremely similar similar build similar game set up game set skill set I think the difference for me especially when I looked at both of them as young players Trey young has more of a feel of a point guard he I think he has a better passing IQ than Steph did early on I think Steph developed that where it's more natural for Trey young however because Trey young has a mold he tries to be stuff too much right now and and and I think he can get there is just that he's trying to be him now and I think that's when you see the bad shots because he could hit you know I think he has to have curry range but sometimes when he takes him again he hit him a backboard in like bad balls air balls I just think that he has to get to that point he's just trying to expedite the process too quick however I think that he's one of those guys you just got to let go and let him play his game my my fear isn't really about him it's about what the Hawks did to get him and they traded away that guy from the Mavericks who looked who's been looking really good and if Trey doesn't live up to that same if he doesn't like greater than or equal to with that kid it's gonna look real similar set he said that this is the worst moon ever in the history of basketball he's always a high bar he is but I said I like it and I still stand behind it I know that the Dallas pick isn't gonna be high right because I think the way Dallas is the show they know what they look I think they're gonna make the playoffs however yes however well that will have I been saying for like at least the last two years about this draft you get you top 12 top 14 draft pick but you draft in a potential all-star so so to me even though it's not gonna be a high draft pick you know it still has a potential to be a high draft pick however even though I don't think it's going to be the fact that they have multiple draft picks in this draft that are gonna be in the lottery should be in the lottery I think they still won the thing and I also think that Trey Young if he works on his game is what can I follow him on on IG I'm a I'm a I'm a Trey young believer I am definitely a trillion believer and I know this kid works hard he continues to do that I think the sky's a limit for I think I think he fits Atlanta you know he's exciting and you know it's a black city and you know we will embrace him he got to do his part but he's going to the games yeah I was just happy to see he can't play because there were stretches in some really a lot better than he did in some of the I think he's gonna be all right yeah I think because of that I think was the one to GM somebody who was over at Golden State they kind of like a destruction this can't struck in this same type of team is like starting with him with Trey young and I think they're gonna try to go after like another talk you know shooting guard another you know like play Johnson in a dream I think they kind of it was a six eight you know yeah I know that can shoot and it has potential to play D because of his wing's ball quarter quarter they draft in the last year no this year with Trey he was a later first round pick yeah yeah Kevin he was from Maryland yeah yeah yeah I know you can't say his name either yeah but between him they got Tory and Prince Collins yeah like I'm trying to I see what they're doing and I think Trey Young is kind of like he's gonna be that main cast member and I think that the second main cast member they're gonna get in this draft and I have my fingers crossed it is Zion okay it's a problem you want them to really start losing eight they're gonna be a top three worst team in the end it's a simple as that I know it's like 25 yeah last year they surprised me I didn't know they were gonna be that bad I knew they were gonna be bad but not that bad so they surprised me but this shot I know what to expect they're gonna be horrible and I want them to be because they need a high job here second question Celtics what is Brad Stevens best finishing lineup he's starting like Kyrie Jason Jaylin Gordon and our Horford Lee smart on the bench yeah smart he's a play man he's like that round-up type of player where you can't you don't really know what to say he does make a lot of money also helps them out a lot defensive and that's why he makes no go ahead and play because sometimes he just doesn't he just needs to not shoot that's what he just needs not to get help himself yeah and in that offense everybody's gonna get shot but I think their best closing lineup is their starting lineup because it gives them the most versatility when you have Jaylin Jason excuse me and Gordon you're switching to through five you're literally switching everything because even we got to switch at that point because I'll offer to guard two through five how many games you think I read her Gordon and her play this here Kyrie got a play 70 plus and got to be healthy I think you're 65 I was gonna say 60 to 65 I don't think I don't think you really need them to especially with this team but you'll be asking them a lot to play 70 plus I just think that for me the greatest players got to start playing the majority of the season and since Kyrie's been in the league he hasn't and I don't know maybe that's just a old-school standard that I hold some of the great because to me Kyrie wanted the greatest I've ever seen you know I don't know but I I'd greatest hands I ever seen I think it's the I think it's the great day I think it's the better day I think it is it is but here's the thing though I and I've had this conversation a lot there's a difference between handles and a crossover a crossover is a single move just like the fadeaway or the sky hook handles is something that that is I feel is either it's more natural and you can tell the carry has not he has it on yo yo I think has a string on that I believe in had that thing no like that new and there's a difference between guys that have worked on their handles versus guys that have natural handle right Steph Curry has worked on his handles and his handles are like that Davis no he was not he was not handed but Kyrie that was God that was a guy given Baron Davis guy guy give it to Mark Crawford to my car a good people sleep on his hand if you look at any of his highlights going back from the next move forward how's your mark off the look like he 20 years old man he look like he's 40 in the face but he got like a 20-year-old body yeah right tricking guy giving yes under rating like those are guy giving handles I was a time as the crossovers a I got given crossover Kobe I think Kobe's the biggest comedian he like if you could do something he's gonna add to his game ten hard away ten hard away great crossover had great handles but but what made him who he was was the was the crossover and there's a big distinction between crossover handles I will say this last year Boston's most successful court lineup was Rosie or smart Tatum Morrison or for granted Kyrie and heard but right that's something okay the Nets is the Angela Russell a future building block no no but I must say yes because that that question is loaded because it doesn't doesn't mean that is he the best building block but can it be part of a core so you're only 22 so your point guard situation solved yes so now so what I'm saying is he can be I personally and it's a maturity thing with him more than a skill thing yes a little bit more true last year yes and you saw his play elevate and I don't know if you guys been seeing preseason it seems like his play is still getting better I think that he can be the second or best team on a check second yes second or best option on the championship team and because of that then yes the answer to that question is yes I just don't think that he is the guy and you're building specifically around him but if you get another guy that's better than him he can add to that and I like Jared Ellin so I think you got you one of your five I think I think I think he could be yeah I think he can play the game yes but he's not the building right right yeah just don't have the way the draft the way the Lakers drafted him to be yeah exactly yeah just don't have your phone out around with the with the Hornets can they flip the fourth quarter script and they mentioned that question because yes they only won 36 games but they lost 12 games by five points or less so that's a big difference in the east no they're not gonna do it I think that the way we see the Hornets built right now is not it's not what we're gonna see Tony you got Jeremy Lamb you got who's their wing guy they got a platoon I feel I feel that the team was hurt last year yeah and I know he's back and I think overall they're a better squad but they're in a situation where now they're paying Franca Minsky right I think they real you know they're paying Kemba they're paying a lot of guys they're trying to trade Kemba they're getting there I'm getting there at this point you got to trade Kemba and the reason why and it's not that he's not valuable obviously he's clearly their best player but the Hornets have to rebuild again and and and the problem the problem with the Hornets is the fact that they haven't been able to get other guys around Kemba when everybody was cheap now you're paying mediocre guys high you know main guy salary what's that gonna do that's gonna keep you like the Hawks of yes the year with Josh Smith and the Joe Johnson's of the world where you're gonna be stuck in purgatory and you have to kind of clean yourself of those contracts because those guys can't help championship squads Kemba can go to you know not many not many teams need a point guard like that but like Phoenix Phoenix needs a lead guard he goes to Phoenix we talk about you don't potentially make in the playoffs you're sleeping they are they have they have a lot of pieces but guess what they don't have they don't have that high-paid guy Kemba will go and all of their great all of their best players on rookie deals and Phoenix is the type of place that you need Kemba Kemba salary to go to and propel that team yes right because you got three guys two guys offensively them and Booker and DeAndre eight and I don't know if y'all seen him I saw I saw him today I was like hey this kid yeah and you got Josh Jackson that's that tweeter guy right that's a perfect situation for Kemba that's what the Hornets needed to draft or try to get while you had him cheap now you just got to move on from him yeah because you got but some of Marvin Williams Cody's that's what Jeremy Leon we already mentioned Walker then you got Dwayne Bacon we don't know what he's going to be part of the right there I don't know if you can see salaries but everybody on that everybody you listen to mine is the win-back of our guaranteed making two million plus yeah Miles Bridges kid Gilchrist the one who is here that was the bus so yeah so now I think they'll be middle the road the win games but they won't be viewed as a contender by Facebook they got a blower lottery all right for the Bulls can Jabari Parker make a victory all of the belief remember last week I was like he's their X-Factor home town to go ahead at home time motivation but before we answer that yes yes yes yes I do right there man like a beast man he's looking like they don't even know what you have man never do but in terms of Jabari my only and and Kenan be can definitely attest to this I said that he will be better than Wiggins I said that I felt as a rookie coming into the years of the top five small forward so you know I'm very high on Jabari the only thing with him to torn ACLs in the same me bruh I've never seen that I've never seen that I've never seen that I don't know how somebody gets over that I think he's immensely talented I still think he obviously has a seem to get better I just you know obviously last year he came back and he was you know decent yeah I think he's late in this year yeah this is the year that it's not necessarily show improved for me but I just want to see him healthy a whole season and then next year is when I can truly answer that I think you can and I think we'll find out that the Bucks and his injuries was that's all I think he has a chip on his shoulder even though he hasn't really talked about about the Bucks organization I still think he John is ticket spot well I don't know about that I just think I just think he I think the fact that Chris Middleton stepped up I think that was gave him a another reason to let him go but I feel like he feels like he left a lot on the table like in the walk in I think he wants to prove that he you know he's a lot better than you know with injuries or the word is on the right now so that's added bonuses on top of the plane and you'll see the city grew up in yeah but I think sometimes injuries lower your ceiling right and that's what I need to see when I watch him because I really haven't seen a much in preseason I've seen a couple of players exactly so that's what I need to see him throughout the course of the season so really understand how low that ceiling has been lowered or if the ceiling is still where it was coming into the league and that's the question I don't know and I have to watch him that's why I can't answer right now well I got to 20 points last year 20 points is rebound but not the spectacular 25 games this week year 72 his second year his sophomore year and 50 last year so he got it he got to be I think he's in that same country he got to be like well actually might be worse he might actually have to play 70 games to be so to show us the healthy yeah the Cavs is Kevin loves doing all star number one option yes yeah I say he'll know he's bad you'll be back I mean on this team yes he's the one option on this team yeah I mean of course he's gonna be a twenty six and thirteen guy again but he's gonna be 24 and yeah 24 and 10 that question makes me think that whoever was thinking like is he gonna be like Minnesota Kevin love I think that question was LeBron is gone Kyrie is gone he's done no more option now I'll start back to form and I think you know even going deeper can he be the catalyst why could we make it to the playoffs and I think yes I think that you still have enough yeah of course yeah I think the point guard would actually play a bigger faction than Ken's does yes what I'm high on him no I am too but I don't think that and it's so funny I was just having this conversation the other day it's hard for a rookie to have playoff impact if they're not a point guard because as a point guard you just have natural responsibilities where other positions you as a rookie don't have those those responsibilities right like Jason Taylor leading scorer but was he the true reason or catalyst why they were as good as they were no he just added to it but he was their leading scorer with with Colin I think he can be their identity I think he can be their motor but I don't think he's the reason why they make it to the playoffs I think it's gonna heavily be relied upon Tristan I don't know if y'all seen him in the offseason but I've been telling everybody the man got a mid-range face-up game now I've seen him look look look hey look all I do is report with my eyes tell me and like I said I'm gonna go right there wrong I got I got I got cancer you got time so he was a number four pick in the draft you know we know the Cavs been really hit and miss what they draft picks they picked Anthony Bennett so I don't care what they're doing yeah but but look I think that K Love is going to get close to what we saw in Minnesota and I think that all of the time that he played with LeBron that's the rubs off man like look at Kyrie Kyrie looks like a different leader you know what I'm saying and I'm not I don't think that I think Kyrie was closer to having those leadership and kind of was then Kevin was but that's that's not verbs off man and I think that Kevin understands what it takes obviously the way culture you understand and I think now since he's tasted the playoffs he can make the playoffs I think it could be the main reason why yeah Tristan has the attitude as always at the table still got to beat us Kevin loves the number one guy they still got Nancy still got Jordan Clarkson was the last time I'm on Jordan a rotten you heard again you name in the end of those at that when you just saying they got they got talent they got more talent than Minnesota than when kid love was yes they do but that's not saying much and Colin sets then not a Minnesota team that's those minutes even with Kevin numbers he was still going yeah okay love bro they love and they were still booty they were still bad Muhammad the Polish hammer was his name pick a bitch oh you know like you know that he didn't have no wing talent and I'm saying that the wing talent and Cleveland is a man but the LeBron pressure is removed so yes a little bit more free flowing yep all right with the Mavericks is Luca I can't put down kids you don't get you really as good as that yes yes yes I've been looking at these highlights a this you know he's solid he's solid man yeah he can one thing I look for especially in young wing perimeter ball handling playmaking type of players is their feel for the game the man's feel is impeccable he and it doesn't like you know sometimes just like MVP and I was like he was like 19 and playing a girl man in a early in the second best league in Spain because we saw one of the MVPs come over a mirror tick right but he was older whatever and now we have another MVP that's younger and was better than me or tick yes he could play in the end be a first or foremost but that feel for the game oftentimes you'll see a player even if they played overseas and professional leagues they get sped up right and then and then they figure just like try young right it's a really we saw try young was sped up he didn't have a feel you know but you saw you saw the passage you knew that he understood the game and then now in preseason he's playing better but with Donkeys from the moment he touched the floor is like yeah I belong yeah and that's to me that's a problem for everybody else when a guy that has never played in this league and you look at him and be like oh it look like he don't play a couple years ago yeah that's a problem yeah to the point where I was like man I hope Austin that's what I told you like it ain't about it ain't about how good Trey young is about how good he is because because here's the thing even if Luca is better than Trey right is he exponentially better than Trey that's the thing right because they don't have your regardless if he's better than they gonna say oh you should be a problem of course but we look at it objectively right like like can we say that KD is better than Steph yeah seven feet does everything KD can I mean stuff can do once more any play defense any any plays defense you know what I'm saying so so you can't always compare apples to apples but how good is Trey young you know it's Trey young a six man or is he a all-star starter that's a difference yeah well this next one about the nuggets is kind of weird but how do y'all feel like the nuggets this season I think for a spot yeah yeah I can see them well because they were number six and off in offense throughout the whole NBA they scored like at least the same nuggets they that they were yeah a lot of pieces a lot of guys I could score versatile and sitting around joke it's you know see the problem with Denver but no real they don't have a super they haven't had a superstar six mellow I think I think in y'all can flame you if you want but I think joke is a superstar I just we were talking earlier last week one day last week he's our beat of some onus yeah yes more athletic a little bit more athletic young our beaters yeah our beaters was ridiculous I just think that when you have a squad that has so many pieces you need another main guy and that's the problem because after that New York trade Denver has always just been you know one one through ten eleven super solid yeah but that doesn't win championships that just gets you to the playoffs in the first or maybe second round exit so to me I think that they should explore a splashy move like trying to get a D there you know what I'm saying because if you have joke it's and a D and you can course you know another free agent point guard or shooting guard or wing player to come there that's a problem I don't know they is the one I'm not I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying somebody like somebody that is potentially on the market that may not be happy in their current situation obviously they have more than enough pieces to make it financially work and to entice the penalty because if you throw out your Marbury you know a couple of other these guys that that's that you have on the squad you can make a move like that yeah the Denver Nuggets they're they're a blog in B18 like they love guys like the Denver Nuggets you know analytics and also yeah play fast you know take the right you know the right side but come on man they're not going you know championship all right be this one direct I'm gonna ask you this directly to what extent will Blake Griffin earn his money ooh to what extent you know yeah I don't care about Blake I mean at least he seemed like he's happy he's not like he's happy any trip right now with that organization unlike the Clippers but I don't know I mean he might just play if he can play about 75 plus games and playoffs if we make it I think he earned his money I think I have to make the playoffs with him yeah because it is our first full season you know like we got we had an off-season training we got their yeah what was it yeah like a five game like a three-five season one and streak or whatever but so like not and it seemed like Andre Drummond is happy because he got like a road dog someone that can like with him down low you know down the paint so we'll see he seems happy like he just seems like he's in a good place if he baws out this year and under the win case in a new coach that he's been working with in offseason and their games complement each other which you know a loose to why they're they're kind of happy because the Andre and Blake complementing each other and Andre Drummond is cut in the same oak as yeah Andre Drummond is cut the same way the Andre Jordan is you know we were talking high-flying above the rim rebounder shot blocker defensive anchor type so so that's complementary I think the thing for Blake to be able to earn his money is he got to make a playoffs I think that you know you are considered top five to top seven in your position you know what I'm saying you are clearly the best overall player on that team you got to make the playoffs so like if if for him to earn his money if we be if we see hired in our expectations like I'm looking six seven eight if we see four or five or six then would it be too much to expect expectation level to be second round yes that's too much yes because I'm gonna do like this I think the Troy is actually gonna make some moves mid-season because we got Stanley Johnson on the leash if he ain't if he's not Stanley's going I'm telling that right now Reggie Jackson I think he's going I'm glad you said we're gonna blow up that team I think I would love to get Reggie Jackson's but I remember that was a talk yeah I would like to do that that's another loud a good camera because you know why we got to look at us can you you got you got the Mac can you look up salaries can we see go to a ESPN they usually or NBA dot-com yeah the salaries with the team can you tell me how many years Reggie Jackson still has left because I tell you this if he's an expiring contract can but might be coming to Detroit I don't know why anybody won't read you I mean after that whole time okay expiring contract right because what does that do for the horn is it allows you to rebuild yeah exactly and especially if you get a first round pick from Detroit as well in that trades and area down we have to see you Reggie oh yeah I'm saying this year in 18 oh yeah oh yeah I restricted free age up 22 yeah I don't know if he's gonna give up another first round draft he could get two years in a row but wait but here's the thing though when your victory is Kemba Blake and Andre Drummond mmm that should be good enough that should be easily second round exactly that should get you to the second round obviously you can get you the Trevor Reesos of the world and because I think KCP is gonna be the odd man out with the he's our oh yeah next year you know so you could probably bring him back you know what I'm saying like like I just think that adding Kemba I've been screaming I've been screaming for that I love him I wish he was that's what I'm saying come here come I want us to get ready ready to check oh we'll go to state how would the markets cousin's fitting perfect oh yeah him and Draymond picking road that would be scary scary what other team is really running for five pick a road like that right that's what I'm saying that would be scary five four pick a road with Boogie being a ballhand right that's what I'm saying he just stay up top and shoot threes that's what I was talking to my coworkers about this and I said look when Boogie gets back 100% you know step to me is their most important player because he makes you can't guard 40 feet you just can't he extends that defense so much right but when you saw especially the first versions of the Golden State Warriors when they had Andrew Boogie what is Andrew Bo gets two biggest like the greatest things he does on the court right his best repotector what else yeah underrated no underpass him under it go back and watch how many times he he does they give him the ball in the high mid-day that's good point and the players will cut off of him he offered him rub cuts he drop off passes and stuff like that they get boogie in those same actions the difference is boogie could hit that 15 to 18 to three point shot that Andrew Boogie couldn't hit so so what it does is and it sounds so crazy but it actually expands their arsenal because you can run off and through the post if you saw the tweak that they made right especially in the playoffs who was getting a lot of those post touches Kd Kd was right but now Kd and Boogie are interchangeable there like it is this it don't make no sense yeah how together that puzzle fits he got a person in relation with all of them so like they was cool with the run of 2016 Olympics so it's like he got fit right in right in right in group yeah I try to recruit people to bring got it to the right hand all right with the use the Rockets do they have enough or do they have the defense to be gonna say words they have no they have they left two of the guys Trevor reason what's the problem with it yeah that was like to my mother that was some good defensive stretch like one guy's and you giving that up from hello I feel you know but but think about the people that they replaced them with you still got clink of pillow which is your ring protector they pick up James and his I tell when I tell you I'm from Memphis from Memphis what played in Miami last year this guy is a bottle rocket and I'm not saying that he's a reason on defense but he can physically compete on a perimeter with these guys and there's gonna be games where he goes for 30 he's just that type of talent you know saying and they also pick up another guy to mark Chris from the Sun's yes mark he said yeah I look that I was like that was a steal that's what I'm saying Houston so they're about saying you think about the same you know you know I think Houston's better this year yes they're deeper and the question is a little misleading because it says do they have the best defense to or do they have enough defense to beat Golden State they have enough team to be Golden State mmm like like oh yeah it's not just the defense because what you got in the morning you can't score 115 you lose you know you think I think I'm gonna step on the bench he might not wait wait wait wait because what was I right about that to Nick huh mr.
you don't you don't know what the lineup is gonna be like because they started him at the five already said Melos come up the bench off the bench they're coming off better fit off the bench at this point in his career yes he is better fit I can't see Melo coming off the bench go get buckets a name I think that name is still I mean at this point in the story is not a superstar no and I think he closes the games just yeah yeah I think he closes the game but he might not start but he's gonna definitely be honest I don't think he'll if he doesn't start he will I disagree which one do you value more closing because you don't start you don't know you ain't gonna close no but I just think that the fact that he won't start means that they're looking at because when you close again you even need a mix of defense you didn't leave him heavily towards defense or offense and you have some place to do both there's someplace when I can come off hardening coming off appalling coming off is Capella ain't coming off depends on the he depends on the he might come off depends on the matter because they might just but sometimes he might yeah but but in terms of you know I can't see him there's only two guys that will be there 100% of the time that's CP and James hard yeah Capella will be in the closing line up 85-90% of the time Carmelo I can see him being in the closing line up 80% of the time because there'll be match-ups where's it like and you having a back-end number you know if Melo you know you know um that if the Rockets mm-hmm so with the Pacers can they validate last year's surprise and success yes Oladipo has come out this year saying last year was no fluke I've been trying to tell y'all my turner is adding a pull up to three point shot their problem is just depth and more talent yes that's already got but they got a one-two punch and it's gonna be serious yeah I think they'll know about it yeah they will for the Clippers how actively will they pursue in season trades I think they like what they got right now I think I think they itching yeah I think they've been scratching so much they don't want to wait till next offseason they want to put that and also Jerry West is mo you know I'm saying Jerry West will make any type of move if he's getting the guy so he's trying to position for Leonard any other but learn but somebody can realistically yes if Kawat I put it you like this if Toronto struggles Kawai is gone before trade before it was a struggle to for Toronto like with record oh some 500 500 I also like yeah yeah they like they like five to seven games under 500 oh yeah Kawai's gone you got a trade you got a trade you got a trade because he ain't gonna stay he's not gonna stay and also the Clippers have enough guys yeah so financially make it and for Toronto be like okay we could either blow it all the way up or we can have eyes that come in here to compete and we can still be in the playoff mix how it just depends what they how desperate are they to make that in season trade because they got that they got a young draft pick the Clippers oh I just think that if the opportunity is right so I don't think they're extremely desperate I just think that they're waiting for the right moment we'll see I always say wait you could just wait because I mean Butler already said he wants to go Kawai already said he wants to go ain't no like just chill out with the Lakers how do all these pieces fit around LeBron it don't matter you got LeBron yeah he'll make it work England's gonna be the guy running was gonna be that second man the the Kyrie of this team we already talked about Lonzo coming off you know in with the second unit for at least half half the season coaches gonna be really interesting I want to see how Luke warden's gonna do out the season handle this I'm gonna be really I love you I'm gonna play the Jason Garrett role to LeBron Jerry Jones I think the most interesting thing that I'm looking for is to see what the closing right up is gonna be yeah that's the most interesting thing I think that tells a lot but I like how they've been playing no like they're playing up tempo they're gonna run you to death that's that's what I've seen from the Lakers they're gonna run you to death they're gonna run run because LeBron was born in the same year 84 I'm older than Brian because I was born April you born December and I know how I feel at 34 it is amazing to see what this man is doing in his 18 years yeah but if you got a billion dollar contract like you feel a lot better of course no but but still father time is undefeated and for him to play how he's playing not the fact that he is playing this but how he's he's still above the rim like let's be honest I and I said it like two three years ago that he lost about half a step and it's still only a half a step bro I just I've never seen see what he was it he was leaps and bounds better than everybody oh his half step is somebody's all story of course no no but also but but but just to add to LeBron's greatness it's not like he's been you know first rounding out like it's every year he's played in the final eight eight last year playoffs right so the knowledge that he has in the fact that he could still play above the rim and play at this pace like the Lakers want to play come on man we've ever seen that Memphis Grizzlies can my colleague be the my colleague of all yeah yeah I think that's what I think Jerry that's what I think junior is gonna be the one he's the guy he's the guy you know I told y'all I really like what Memphis got going on I told y'all that early after the drive so yeah I think he'll bounce back hey they left his deal go yeah I love it yeah I love it yeah crazy yo all right with with the heat what do they do with the sine wise they gonna try to trade him that was one of the worst I know yeah David I'll keep throwing monkey well but they made another announcement he's saying that he wants he keeps telling the world's getting out he met with the bill he was like I want to be traded is that no it's not you still gotta get one yeah he got that's all you need because a pass ball no no no no no they run it in advance for second so I mean a base hit and a tag game bases with loaded Gary Sanchez was up the bat he had a sack fly to get it for three Yankees like yes two outs can rule has been struggling but he yeah Gary Sanchez fought back from a ulti deficit for three two and a it's the sound is this but it's always been intense what's the next one the books how big a difference will new coach my name is pride the new coach will make who my booty I think and I was like my booty hoser I think he's gonna elevate that squad I just don't think that individually they're good enough at certain positions obviously honest is honest yeah I just got it yeah this is getting to that point where you have you kind of question in his status because this is all that you're not right with all that talent that they had and they're running through coaches at one point just like when it when it was somebody who always goes through boyfriend girlfriend stuff like that that's what you got to point the thing that she was a I'm the problem right because they've had a lot of talent and they have not gone past the first round but you know prior to making the Eric Bledsoe move and stuff my main complaint was that they had too many other same pieces and now that now this roster starting to round into shape where you have a definitive one two three four and five right just come up the bench now maker and who snell Delavado over bless us up let's go start he's a star um what's his name the rookie year right now come here yeah he starts um I like the way that the roster is built out more I definitely think you know Giannis is at that point where we got to put that pressure on him to perform and I don't mean me we were maybe two years two years ago we were like oh this is the next lead and he still has not taken that we were talking about this thing that's too easy but he's worked out with cold yeah and have you watch their preseason or at least highlights yeah the jumper is like yeah because I want to say that after dribble yes off the dribble I want to say that right here he he was improved but you could tell he just he wasn't confident in it he didn't got it he didn't rely on it this year in preseason so far what I've seen is that that's really part of his arsenal so if that's the case the Bucks can make elite but yes it's all on yonder right now with the temple will is can towns and wiggens both take a step forward wiggens no towns yes we're gonna sit here sit here sit here unfortunately it was fun you to sell them but I think he's also been capped by the organization it was fun because remember I think was it last year they were questioning about giving him that extension that I knew that that deal I think they were right in their in their hesitation of course obviously it's 20-20 hindsight but the way things played out yeah I think yeah I give you towns but yeah wiggens they got to trade them see the well well here's the thing I personally and this is just if the owner would have hired me as the GM I want to trade it Chris done exactly being because it is extremely difficult to find players like cat even Wiggins I think that that could have been the second best player behind cat on that squad I think Wiggins is a third or fourth guy on a championship squad and then Chris done still hasn't been able to get into his own but if he's your your fifth best guy then you have a good problem yes so to me I would I would have stuck with the youth movement because as you see in the NBA the more young talented guys that you can keep together for a longer period of time as long as they're progressing that's the way to truly build so I would have kept the four youngians and I would have rolled that out with the pelicans how far can't he Davis and drew highly take them just to play off yeah or you guys some else I'll ask it afterwards all right with the next Ken David Fizzdale changed the culture yes I think yeah yeah I did as soon as he signed up and give him my credibility yep with the Thunder can they flat out make enough shots that's actually interesting question I think so they got Schroeder Dennis Schroeder very underrated and he's actually he's excited about backing up West where is funny because you know why though because he knows he's gonna play point guard closing out and they're gonna have both of those guys playing yeah well also because he knows he's gonna at least start for the first part few games yes he's where's where yeah injury but outside but she's not a consistent shooter and some of their best players aren't consistent shooters outside Paul George and you can even question Westbrook to a certain extent who they really had you pull up that roster because I know that they signed some people in the off-season I want to say is underrated you know it's crazy like they let go of Ola Depot yeah but all of the people wasn't this Ola Depot no he became all the people I don't think he was because it's because of Billy Donovan that's a loan shark as a head coach and I don't think Billy Donovan had that much of an impact on all of the people because all the people was was struggling even before the rest of Westbrook it was his he learned his he got his work ethic from looking at he said that he said he said looking at this roster name three guaranteed score like people who can make their own shot yeah he's a catch a shoe guy I watch I'm mellows with a thumbs up watching them all that's on yep yep but but they really only have not like I was a Jeremy Grant could get his own I'm not saying that this guy's like I'm talking about like a lethal score I'm talking about like a score like a Paul George like a what's no but I'm saying he thinks he can get his own shot I'm saying like someone who can create their own shot he could probably get his own shot but he's better than he is are we asking 20 point like 18 no the game guys I'm because there's a difference because Lance can get his own shot but you don't average 18 yeah I'm talking about more of can you create your own shot like to get your to get yours yeah I feel like some of the players you mentioned they ought to be fed a lot the only person I mentioned was Jeremy Grant no this team is very dependent on playmaking right so so so answer the question is no they don't have enough shooting they don't have enough scores on this squad because when you look at it obviously Russell Westbrook and Paul George are the two main scores right Dennis Schroeder is their next best scorer then Stephen Adams has to be offensive more offensive now yeah exactly he's the old school center a bully re-counting over hype a couple of years ago he can get a little hook shot a little back to the basket game he has touch and stuff but the thing is that's just not his game it's a ask him to do that it's not it's not gonna be comfortable for the team it's not gonna be comfortable for him so I'm not a fan of asking people to do too much out of their own comfort zone you know now to be great you got to be out of your comfort zone but but I don't need you to be across the street with it you know what I'm saying you still be on this side of the street to be out of your comfort zone but I do like the Nirl is no well picked up to yeah you know what I put it you like this I like the way okay see is constructed mainly because the their biggest problem was having a drop off when they went to the bench and now they can play the exact same way regardless if it's the bench guys or the starters on the floor so I don't like that for I don't know he was there either yeah Lualu and we don't really still know what he is yet because he never really got to run yeah with Billy yeah he's a two-way guy that can hit the shot you know dependent not necessarily a shot creator but yeah I hope for him yeah and maybe he'll come back and be a little bit better he's Ferguson Ferguson I'm over here there with the magic will all this link work together hell no as soon as they drop the bomb I'm like okay so where's Lucifer going because and then Orlando's talking about over now training who's that's another organization that's like what the hell are you doing yep not even part because they're not even making the playoffs they have one thing to make the play I do nothing I wish them and Goni would have stayed with that team because he gave him an identity that they've never had since check oh you're talking about way back in the day you should have said because like I agree with your saying because ever since that Dwight Howard era they don't know they just drags he's just drags places rafflers yes and also but that to me is not solely on the head coach that's also the GM it's also the organization because because here's the thing I love bomb and I think he's I think he's gonna be a problem in this league but how do you draft in there when the year before you drafted up Jonathan Isaac right and he's a tweener between three four and five you know so and then you're not drafting guys that are solid right now yeah you're driving projects you know and I don't mind a project or two but then who's your solid guy because the most solid guy on your roster is Vousavitch and he's gonna take up time of those young players that need so I just I don't understand the direction I don't understand the identity I don't understand where where they want to end up because because now if the owner of the team is saying we're not gonna try Vousavitch they what they what are you what like where are you going Vousavitch is a damn good center and I think that he's probably underrated because the numbers are there but the wins aren't there right and the wins aren't to me a reflection of his play at all because he doesn't have anything else they drive tomorrow, lasagna ain't Jack you let go you draft the old people let him go um who I elfer Payton I told Ken from day when he was gonna be a buzz to bias Harris to buy but they they dropped them who dropped it they might have dropped it yeah dropped it was he dropped it no yes or no wait damn I think he was bouncing around a lot yeah I think it wasn't Lando I think you got traded to Detroit but but I don't know man they just don't have an identity and until they get a GM Allah a Sam Presley or somebody like that that can make the moves that need to be made because when I hear the owner saying oh we're not training Vousavitch bro like you can't get too attached it's weird so Tobias Harris was started out in Milwaukee then he went to Orlando and then went to Detroit and what's up been a draft trade yeah yeah yeah it was I don't think it was dropped it was dropped it I never see okay and trade and probably traded to Milwaukee but he played not games he played more oh wow I never seen him in a mini I remember that so this man has been on the moose has even dropped it's crazy um Philly I'm gonna go to see you is Markel Foltz ready to be a real contributor yes yeah I think he's still come up to bench though right no he's starting he's gonna start okay over JJ yeah he was gonna be like a Vinnie John's explain that but one of y'all explain that to me I like it because when you look at what Philly struggled with last year in the playoffs right your two best players are by far joy and beat and then Simmons the way that these guys play basketball they attack the basket especially then Simmons right because he doesn't have anything else to rely on right well got more moves got more range right now so it don't matter but Joel at his best is going toward the basket right if you watch how they wanted to attack any defense was those two guys applying pressure then you kick out and everybody else is a shooter dario starts to shoot a coming to shoot JJ ready to shoot but what happens when you close out on those guys right there's not gonna be a secondary attack to the basket because those guys they need to be fed I think dario has more skill set but he's a guy that you got to put him in the post right or he's gonna be a catch-and-shooter he's not a guy that goes gets his own button right so when you put Markel into the starting lineup Ben and Joel are gonna be the same they're gonna attack they're gonna be aggressive what happens when you pass out to dario then it goes to Robert then it goes back to Markel Markel if he ain't open what you gonna do he's gonna re-attack the basket they didn't have another ball handler to re-attack right because all it was was been kicking out and they're looking for perimeter shots and if they didn't have it what was the second option you know I'm saying so I think I love the fact that Brett Brown put Markel early or first preseason game you're the starting two guard because that's a perfect compliment to Ben Simmons game the same way donk is a perfect compliment to Dennis Smith juniors game right where you have Markel to me he's more of a scorer than Ben Simmons right exactly scoring guy and then you have a six-time point guard that just wants the man in the first damn preseason game play 17 minutes have 14 minutes is that's crazy that's insane so so now you're giving him a guy that can not only go get his own but it's going to cut can hit with a jumper that I've seen I'm not calling him at a three point shooter but can hit three's can also extend obviously not like JJ but can do it at a certain clip that's a problem I think that's what they were truly missing in the playoffs last year and now that you know how like sometimes you get addition by subtraction this is not necessarily addition by subtraction but this is just addition by what you had and you just cooking it up that's all it is I'm left always you forget about yep well how do you know well random before I go to next team how do you feel about Ellen Brand becoming love it good looking out yep give these young guys a chance they played in the lead they know how it works exactly he was that you would tell he was destined to do like something as a player because he always cared himself that way constantly pro yeah the concept of pro the Phoenix Suns what do we make of the youngsters like them love them because we know what they've been bookers yeah no if I think he is no I'm saying in the truth I'm saying we're big men I'm always like I gotta see you for like it's definitely a third like I have to see for two three years you know what I mean a lot to one I'm talking about I'm just talking about consistency because those players you mentioned those are all the famous obviously they were consistent but there's been hidden miss big man who we've seen the white she's the big she was like he was early on his career when he was in the momentos that in Orlando days he was looking like he's the second coming of Shaq yeah then and then he fell off like soon like people say he had still in very quick yeah and the thing is is that it's only him and will Chamberlain to average double doubles through the first 14 years of a career that is impressive yeah he wasn't wack exactly the only thing is is that he didn't progress right because I never let know to me it was just like that's something he didn't expand his game right and he also didn't want to accept what he is and that's more of an internal problem than anything else I don't I don't think he's ever been wack it's just that we need to accept white for what he is defensive first center yeah that's it we put it yeah everybody put these expectations on him to be exact but just different guys different guys with the blazers will they trade lillard or McCollum McCollum I think it's a little bit like a little kind of thing like you know what's coming to my front office and stuff so I can definitely I would get rid of McCollum over Lillard I would give you more back than McCollum yeah yeah yeah and that's why I would come already say obviously on the podcast he like I ain't trying to do this super team stuff Lillard's like I'm just saying that now right right Lillard I mean McCollum has a shelf life anyway yeah he does no he does with the Kings is something brewing with this young movement yes did you see Harry Harry Giles no but but but here's the thing I knew about him before the injury because the injury was really crucial that's why he didn't play last year yeah but if you look at this young team they got Fox Bagley he's all who are under 21 bro gals baller man they don't lose like games but that's a nice little young group of guys and they can move some pieces yeah yeah yeah because here's the thing as much as I love him I ain't paying with the Kali no so he's the first one up out of here remember that one who's remember that Kentucky team that lost to West Virginia the Marcus cousins who was that other center behind cousins that got drafted dumb high and it was like Peterson no it was like Orton or something like that oh I remember how he Stein is that team no no no because he only look good with the squad he didn't look good by him Holly Stein could play bro I'm telling you I don't think he feels the stat sheet for the pick to put up for the pick that they got your orton could not play in the NBA he couldn't jump he couldn't do anything he never got a shot and Willie was a late lottery pick you know what I'm saying so and for what he is he's great to guard off I positions rim protector great teammate in a sense that you can count on him on the court not a scorer you know like a clink a pillow you know rim protector type of big you know what I'm saying but that can play perimeter D but his he's up for a renew and what what they have going on in the youth movement over I would not but he was a top 10 pick I you talk about that resounding him at all there's a lot of top 10 picks that don't turn my amount too much exactly and the reason the only reason why I say I wouldn't pay him is because you got four other guys right that eventually you're gonna have to pay and if you pay Willie now you're not gonna be able to move him and if if gals can give you what Willie gives you already the first people exactly exactly because I put you like this I have not seen guys but that boy Marvin Bagley though hey you know what that's the reason here with a quick and here's the thing with Bagley I I knew he was gonna be good but I know he had this much in the bag already and it's a problem with the Spurs can they hold up on a perimeter now that's this is this came up before that point guard yeah I'm not either what happened with the zone to see yeah that's what I thought to I'm away all your bro I wanted to see I wanted to be a breakout here forget the rose and I just wanted to see if what can this kid do yep and you know what's crazy I've been telling everybody I talked I didn't even know that this happened now what I've been yeah but I've been brought even posted about it that the John Tae like this first team was gonna go as far as the John Tae progressing because we know what they are we know what they are what pop and we know that the margins came into replace Kawai which offensively he was gonna do defensively they take a little step down but the John Tae's progression especially now with no Tony Parker there anymore it's literally his squad and my pop coach this team to a 5-6 seat in the playoffs man but you know that was gonna happen you know that's crazy yeah but but this they say that well they were saying that you know this Bonnie Walker kid was gonna be you know the guy but he tore his men this kids so he's out for six days weeks but what this injury does is that now we know Murray's gone for the year so when Walker gets back that'll give him a chance to play it'll pop put him out there so and I think that's the kid from Miami with the Raptors how long would it take while to get to the old form he don't know I don't know y'all see I don't know some preseason I don't know he did score 12 and 19 in the night he's about back and I play man yeah this is always my great has it been the system or can he get his own and in two preseason game he's on I got nothing else to talk about why the man he demand with the jazz can they avoid individual regression I think there will be some regression but I don't think I'm still be a team yeah I think nobody's gonna question Mitchell I think it's more like Rubio and go bear go bear go bear go bear yeah go bear in the beginning Rubio the only thing with him is but can you hit a consistent jumper right you know saying unless Joe Ingalls a fluke no he's a white one at least they could do a shoot but you have a lot of good things yes he's their tough guy yeah look at it he's the one that's talking crap to the guys on a perimeter he got all up in metal yeah he's not I was saying he got in George face to that's what he can play the game yeah I'm not worried about doing he fooled you he got that why I'm seeing the person that this question most pertains to is Dante Exum I see them in the off season working on his game yeah I like to pretend I've always liked them I don't because he's been in the league and obviously he's been hurt but you just the work on your jumper when you hurt the fact that his jumper isn't coming along I just I don't know and I think that he's probably gonna be a piece that's before he gets paid yeah he needs in a situation yeah and I like him but I just I don't think is it not yeah with the Wizards can John Walfa find the right balance that's a loaded question that's let me he hears the thing about the wizard you know I think it's me it's still him and be you and white out white I don't know what around you this that the way I think I think what plagues Washington is the same thing that plagues Portland doesn't matter how good your point guard is doesn't matter how good your two guard is you're reaching for a third option not really a third option yeah because Bradley Beale to me is is is the second option and John Wall when you're a pure point guard you're really not a true first option all the time because you're a true point guard you're the first options at times you know what I'm saying and you'll be the fourth or fifth option at times because he's a true point guard they need a perimeter guy and they've already paid auto-porter auto-porters a catch and shoot guy you're right they need a get your own bucket guy and that's the problem when you have a one man even if he's Dame Litter he could go get you 3040 right and season they don't got a 676 exactly because when you look at the best players in the NBA right now that are winning championships you got to stop a LeBron you got to stop a kid you need someone that can that can compete with those guys and they don't have that auto-porters as much as I like I mean top five and three point shooting percentage can't go get his own bucket can't create for others that's a problem in this NBA doesn't matter what else you got you need a guy between the sizes of six seven to six ten that can go do a whole bunch of things on that basketball court and if you don't guess what you're truly not competing for a championship all right that was the last team any hot takes before the season starts or expectations I still I still don't believe Kari what do you mean hey cut that mic off it shows over what you mean about him resigning yeah I agree with you what you said he said I plan on re-signing right he said it'll be foolish for me not to or something like that yeah like with the squad that they have like where else would I go I applaud when he's trying to do I think he's just trying to say the right thing before the season star he just want to say the right thing I think if I think of the opportunity really present himself I think he will leave Boston I think he look how he talked about LeBron when he got there in like early on he was talking about the brown like we gonna be here together I'm this my road I'm going for a guy like him and then what happened but then there was some other person that he didn't he was kind of uncomfortable with the brown coming back yeah but as far as what he said vocally right right right right right right right right right right right right right right and then all the sudden he on ESPN first take on some else yeah I got answer nobody that's why I'm a little you know kind of iffy you know I'm not like a hundred percent believe me he's gonna stay in Boston but I just think and I think he will but I just think if an opportunity over situation presented so I think he I think he'll be with him well it depends on how far they like in the finals they don't make a final they get to the finals and they like you know competitively lose I think I got to come back and finish this thing but if they like disappointment if they get like upset in the second round of something they make these finals again and say they lose five games I can well I can't even say that because I'm just gonna sit there once in the finals with the cast I'm just I'm just giving you a scenario where if I can see Kerry leaving he just wanted to beat LeBron even yeah probably I don't know but if they lose in these covers finals five games to six or something like that yeah he's gone honestly I don't know what's important to Kyrie anymore because in terms of winning basketball there's not a better situation he can go right it's not let's be honest even you maybe it depends on who they're bringing but but but but but but but but but but but there's no the reason why there's only one reason why Kyrie stays Brad Stevens that's the only reason why I don't think it's a championships I don't think it's him getting his banner or his jersey retired in the rafters I don't think you care about all that stuff I think he cares I know he cares about leg is I think he does care about championships I think he does care about getting his jersey retired well I mean in those rafters I think Kyrie is more is he's focused on for some reason he he needs everything to be like catered to him as far as like how he wants to write he wants to write his own legacy you don't want to have to say like oh you went to a Boston Celtic that's like that's the greatest you know one of the greatest things all the time you were the great you know imagine his legacy over there with Fizzdale and making a bring a championship if you want a championship to have a championship to have a championship to step he can he can retire off of that and they'll be able to statue the next day yes they will I'm not saying that's gonna happen I'm not saying that's gonna happen I'm saying it means way more than winning the boss yeah it does he's just retired as soon as soon as soon as the championship in Boston I think I mean if you if you had a choice of when championship in New York or in Boston I think when championship in New York especially the drop they had a big market say like that oh yeah yeah that that was some in him that's like a bromberg in the championship the cleavings bigger than that I'm just saying like that's similar I agree I agree with the bromberg in the championship I'm saying like the magnitude of the bromberg in the championship to Cleveland was big but like to New York why would it be bigger though because it's the matter but they got championship though not Cleveland it's just trying to get it under there is there if you make it in New York New York you're a parades Cleveland and a parades New York a parades they had Yankees Rangers and stuff like they have parades Yankees just lost they're doing somebody's like five world series like what yeah I'm just saying I'm just saying that's right there we were here's the thing though I think that Boston has an opportunity to become a dynasty and I think that will all the draft things and stuff I think with or without Kyrie they can be a dynasty people of the Meg with one more game and show tell us how many draft picks Boston has in this first round this year I think that Boston if Kyrie stays I think it's primarily because of Brad Stevens because I think that somebody that is in in in in um I think Kyrie can be misunderstood sometimes right how to utilize him how to get the leadership out of him how to how to really maximize his his talent level because he's an ISO player right and that doesn't always fit the greatest into a team scheme and I think that he values Brad Stevens to that degree because let's be honest Brad Stevens is retiring a Boston Celtic he ain't no championship yet I'm on the record of saying it now I don't think that man coaches another team I think he stays with Boston and I think Kyrie knows that I think possibly what you guys are saying it's bigger to win a championship in New York than it is in Boston because obviously it's been such a drought however I think that Boston what they have going on personally I'm not saying that they will be Golden State but I think they have the only squad in the NBA on the East side I think Houston can beat them but on the East side even content with Golden State and I think they goes down to game seven give me Kyrie everybody that's on the court give me Kyrie I don't care you got KD KD but all in give me Kyrie you got feel it I was that's what I was gonna ask you I was like you've been talking about folks you don't think feel like if he really hits it the way you think you don't think that puts him over the edge as far as Boston I just I think right now Boston just has more well to me is like Boston can be it could be gluttony what they have over there because it could be they have too many miles of feet now you I put it does a good job of 10 care that if it was any other coach you'd have a point and I've hated on Steve I won't say I've hated him I just wanted I was like you I just believe it yeah but you believe it not Brad Stevens is that guy yeah he's yeah if he gets once he gets I think he's just a chip away from people to really say how they really feel about them they have four potential picks the Kings of 76 is first round pick the Clippers first round pick the Grizzlies first round pick and then their own pick so that's easily like top three so Sacramento's pick is what I know it's protected what does it say so just received a more favorable pick protected for number one overall what was Sacramento thinking look look so Sacramento has to get a number one over I'll pick to keep it basically okay so they're you know the eyes so let's say Boston is the number two pick of the draft oh my god so you so you mean to tell me you can as easy as I am or Cam reddish or RJ Barry depending on you know like or they could do something else they can trade that for somebody else's best player and I say forget trying to see what he can be or somebody or hey boogie we see you you came back we'll go this day how about you in the championship in the east or hey AD or AD well and that's what I was about to say I think that's the only way I see Katie staying if they truly had the conversation like it was rumored that Kyrie and Anthony Davis talked about playing in Boston I could see him staying there I could see him staying in Boston and then we're gonna have to get rid of some pieces to get rid of but just like how we said in the text right everybody's available except for Kyrie and Jason yeah I got Brad I get you off or to pick that Anthony Davis yeah man you want Jalen yeah I said that man on the first on the first line I don't like Jalen I'm level two but you like him or the AD I'm right I'm just saying it's like trying to get away one of your kids but you see like Jalen about to turn it to Anthony Andrew Wiggins all right no no no no no no here's the thing I better hit on his shoulders no he does growth is going to be capped because of the team well no no I use it as a team not it's cap because of him let's be honest Jalen Brown he's been balling preseason he's a ball he always does that he is a fringe all-star player he is not a superstar he don't have no superstar written on him he has all defensive first team written all over him he's a piece but he's not the guy Jason Tato is the guy you talk I forgot what player you talk about as far as that Paul George Kawhi Leonard moe where you say they started off late but there's you see you talked about Ingram that way I think yeah Brendan you don't see the same thing with Jalen Brown no no are you serious I think he has a smaller ceiling than those guys I think those guys had potential to be superstars I don't think Jalen Brown is a superstar but I do I put it you like this Jalen Brown is the type of guy that Portland needs Jalen Brown is better than Otto Porter Jalen Brown is that guy that those teams with superb back courts but don't have that other wing players you might be honest that's that's the guy Jalen Brown on the blazes or in Washington that's a problem see and again I don't think flourish exactly and I don't think that he is offensively as sensitive as Paul George or or some of these other guys that are in the league but he is good enough at getting his own shot and physically competing with those guys that these teams that I mentioned don't have a guy like that like he's way better than Alfred Camino you know saying so so Jalen Brown is the type of player if you're already paying two maybe three other guys that you want because that's the type of guy that you need to have to compete against the bronze of the world the KD's of the world and again no one person can shut any of those guys down but you need guys that you know exactly slow them down give them a different look body them up be have enough length and athleticism to exactly put them in file to put them in situations where they do I follow do I let them this man get the layup or do I let them get the he's he's that type of guy so fringe all-star all right last thing we get out of here um I think you you send somebody sent this in in a test uh oh cow Kevin Durant shot the cow sick Kevin Durant the Warriors reporter Marcus Thompson who's plugged in oh they're saying he's going to the next said this is last year I've been telling you he's out I'm telling you and uh I think it's a possibility based on what I mean I mean what he said before about how he was going to be transparent I thought that that was just the media trying to find something to talk about but now that's always like presingus he's always like presingus he gave an nickname unicorn yeah so and his deal everybody loves you now that's gonna linger the whole season yep could that derail this season no no that's gonna say they're not they're not repeat they're not three unless unless they all hit a no they're not sure just my other hot take so do they come out the west no they're not gonna be used to y'all already know my pet you said you bet not like you been now say the link you gonna say the link to my who else you damn not saying I'm sure not saying the rocket who can make it oh my god show over guys um we'll be back I gotta get over it you know saying uh can look he need his medicine you know is this a wrap but you know we catch on next week peace peace