#30 with Madeleine Thornton-Smith: Fighting for the rights of precarious workers, solidarity forever, searching for more equitable and safer systems and why the arts are so vital to culture.

It's our thirtieth episode! And we want our fair share! How come artists and creatives are so often undervalued for their contribution to culture and society? Madeleine Thornton-Smith is an artist, a ceramicist, an art teacher and an activist fighting for fair conditions for creatives and artists across creative industries. She is passionate about the simplicity yet astounding power of what artists can produce, and how much more can be done to support their work and guarantee their emotional and physical safety at work and at home. Join Madeleine and William for a winding conversation about the creative arts, with so many tidbits and takeaways for those looking to learn more about the challenging lay of the land... as well as chatting about what makes Madeleine tick and why she is so passionate about her work, as well as her former work as a carer for those with disabilities, and why Ten Things I Hate About You is the film she cherishes most. Weird Fishes:Album and film: Ten Things I Hate About You and its accompanying soundtrack.Book: A book about Glazers - The artists... I think?Local Recommendation: Samurai in Hawthorn Check out Madeleine's work at @realjobexhibition The Ebbs and the Flows is an emotional health movement focused on openness and transparency about the light and the shade of the lives we led and journeys we encounter. The Ebbs and the Flows is not a licensed mental health service and therefore if you are seeking mental health advice, assessment or treatment, you should seek expert advice with a GP, psychologist, psychiatrist or in a crisis, call Lifeline on 13 11 14.For those struggling, or who know somebody who is, help is available:@lifelineaustralia 13 11 14@beyondblueofficial 1300 22 46361800-RESPECT (1800 737 732)@headspace_aus 1800 650 890@kidshelplineau 1800 55 1800For advice specific to Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander people @13yarn 13 92 76For LGBTQIA+ specific advice @qlife_aus1800 184 527The Ebbs and The Flows website: www.theebbsandtheflows.comSubstack: https://substack.com/@theebbsandtheflows For The Ebbs and The Flows Instagram page head to https://www.instagram.com/theebbsandtheflows/At the end of the day, we are all just a work in progress.