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315: Mastering Confidence

from Old Souls and Seekers · host Satori Prime: Guy and Ilan Ferdman

Embark on a transformative journey with Guy and Ilan in Episode 315 of the Old Souls & Seekers podcast. Reflecting on their recent retreat, the hosts delve into the aftermath of leading an intense experience in the jungle. The ceremonies, described as both profound and challenging, create an intimate connection with nature, spirit, and soul. The episode explores the transformative power of community and the need for compassionate healing in the face of different types of trauma, from 'big T' abuse to 'little t' daily misattunements. The hosts emphasize the courage required for true healing, sharing insights into the nuances of leaving behind an intense retreat and the emotional echoes it leaves. As a special offering, Guy and Ilan announce a limited opportunity to join their year-long coaching program at a significantly reduced cost. This includes weekly group coaching, video lessons, a live event ticket, and the Primary Abundance course—a unique chance for those committed to their inner work to receive live coaching support for genuine healing and transformation. The hosts invite listeners to join the transformative exploration, experience compassionate support, and take advantage of this limited time offer to deepen their inner transformation with proven effective training and practices. Trust the process, offer compassion, and evolve together within the community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the Old Souls and Seekers Podcast brought to you by Satori Prime. If you're anything like us, you've been around and around the personal development and mindset block quite a few times. You've read the books, watched the videos, attended the seminars, and even worked with a coach or two, and yet you still find yourself searching for more. You may even feel stuck or that you should be farther along than where you are right now.

And after doing over a decade of mindset work, we've come to this realization. Mindset work is like a small hit of dopamine that distracts you from your true work. You get these little hits of feeling better only to be met with the same underlying conditions and patterns over and over again. Now mindset was an important part of your evolution as well as ours, but it hits a plateau, and now you find yourself ready for that deeper layer of growth and expansion.

If you're listening to this podcast, then you're ready to get off that Ferris wheel. This podcast is only for those that are ready to dive deep and do the real inner healing work. For those that are ready to move past more information into actual experiences. If you're looking for more understanding, then you've come to the wrong place.

This is a home for Old Souls ready to fully embrace and remember who they truly are, ready to make a profound difference in their lives and in the lives of others. So welcome home dear one, we're excited to be part of your journey. Hi everybody, welcome welcome. Thank you Adrian already was well aware that we were in the jungle.

Yeah, we had quite an incredible experience. I just want to say for anyone that's here with us later on in the episode, Guy and I were just brainstorming and we just keep downloading things. Some of them kind of came and started in the jungle, but we haven't really even had time to kind of like brainstorm them while we've been back. And so we just literally finished like five minutes before we got on here.

And we have some incredible news for people who are been sitting on the periphery. Like if you're if you're kind of sitting on the sidelines and have been taking a plunge into one of our programs, stick around. We have some incredible, incredible opportunity that we're going to share a little bit later on today. So incredible.

In fact, we were like, do we actually do this, but we're going to. So in any event, Guy has this playlist and usually play it when we get to the jungle. Those that have been with us, I see Andrea and Alex here will know that that playlist well. And that song that has now in my head forever been the Satori Prime song is on the playlist.

So every time it went on in the jungle, we're like in the jungle, I was like, oh, Satori Prime. As you do. Yeah. Yes.

So yeah, we're we're. I'm going to say we're physically back. I can't I can't say that I have fully landed back for those that don't have any idea what that means. It's like, you know, we go to the jungle.

We take clients and we basically do four I wasca ceremonies. In a span of a week in a place that is so, so magical and so beautiful that people basically call it the Garden of Eden. And on top of the fact that the place is beautiful, the women who lead the ceremonies, the shamanistas, a mother and her two daughters are just the most beautiful beings. One of them is probably.

Yeah, I'm going to say it. Like the most incredible healer that I've ever had the privilege of being around and watching work. She's just she's kind of what I imagine like the witches were that got burned at stakes way back in and like I can absolutely see how someone like that would scare the fuck out of people because they're just. Their abilities are beyond what we would think is normal for human and when you see it, like it would probably be the only response you have is like this person's a witch and can do some.

We're things even though like she obviously does it with from a place of just healing and liberating things inside your body in the most beautiful ways she has a vision and a site. That is beyond anyone that I've ever seen. So, you know, that. How nourished it is like, you know, the land is nourishing the food that they serve you is nourishing the way that they take care of you is beyond anything.

So you just feel like you get blasted with love and resource and nourishment and all this stuff that when you're there. And then when you like leave that place and that connection and that resource, it honestly feel it's like it's like heartbreak. It's like leaving a lover. It's really painful.

It's like really, really painful every time we leave. Guy and I literally do like the slowest walk out of the garden and like touch every tree and branch and blade of grass and we're like kissing rocks and you know, I'm sure his his ritual similar to mine where it's just like so much gratitude and thanks for literally every speck on those grounds for taking care of us, teaching us, taking care of the beautiful people that we bring there and share this work with and there's just so much gratitude and then there's this always we leave with this feeling of like I always say like I'll see you soon. You know, I'm not I might be gone for a year, but I will 100% be back because it's just such a special special experience. And so yeah, like coming back, you know, just don't feel fully here like don't feel fully landed.

My heart still feels there. My head is still like a little bit swingy from all the experience. It's like drinking from a fire hose for a week straight and the experiences are just so rich and beautiful. So yeah, it's the thing.

Yeah, it's it's incredible opportunity. Those that yeah, Alex is saying I remember being so sad for weeks after leaving that place and all of you. Yeah, and that's, you know, what Alex is pointing to. It's like you're there with 11 other people that become soul family, you know, and the experiences that you go through and what you watch each other go through and have you support each other going through those things is so beyond human that when you leave, there's this emptiness.

It's like like this family that has just been around you for a week all of a sudden is gone and you know, as amazing as it was for guy and I to come home and hug our wives and kids and like sleep in your bed and all that is amazing. And it's still like there's a longing and a missing and so it's a coming back. It's a coming back home experience. It's a connection with nature with your with your multi dimensional and soul self in such a way that most of us have never actually tasted before.

So it's like when you find like step foot in your house again, you know, on a spiritual level. It's the way that a resource is your body, your mind, your soul, your emotional state, every level. You can connect yourself and others. It's such a it's so eye opening and you can also feel how disconnected we're living today and how like unnatural that is like when I would think think to coming home and like sitting in urban box, you know, like a colorless urban box like there's just parts of my system that like just creates a system that's like a way of that connection so deeply as I'm sure, you know, whether conscious or unconscious for everybody is kind of there because that is a that's the natural way for us to be so intimate with nature so intimate with our lives and for states it's a world filled with distractions so you know much of what we do here as practices and to try to where programs are about are to connect to those parts to to those lineages to that energy in whatever way you can, your entire day whether it's learning how to ground your system or authentically connect other people or work through as it's moving and exiting the body right like so many of the lessons that we have taken from the jungle and for those of you guys that you know don't have experiences psychedelic source certainly I was a whole other plane of existence, it kind of like pixy behind the curtain of reality.

Kind of it does pikey behind the curtain of reality and you've never had those experiences it's a way to to shift the way that like our mind operates it's how we see what we can imagine and so many ways and so I just realize while we're down there that for me it's been it's been a decade now of working with plants in that way I've sat in about 100 of those ritualistic ceremonies which are just so beautiful and resourcing and honestly some of the most challenging work I've ever done, if not the most challenging work I've ever done in my life sometimes. And you know we are always looking to extract from these lineages from these very very long I mean thousands of year long traditions of looking at what practices and what are the messages that the plants sent and beam into our consciousness and how that helps us connect to the material all and we do whatever we can to bring those lessons into a group work and coaching that we do here so that you guys even if you can't travel to the jungle or plant medicine or that confronts you very much that you can still be intertwined in that work and intertwined in the connection of a community that's intertwined with that work. So you're still receiving the benefits, you know that the reality as I can see it from having done many of these experiences that humanity is really no different at all than the plant world. And so that's how we can decide underneath the surface in the ground very intimately to one another and how an individual feels or acts greatly greatly impacts the whole.

And so that gives us always a bit of a pause and some solace and even gratitude that our interpersonal healing and what we experience individually is really having a tremendous impact on the transformation of the entire species. No one is separated right everyone is the drop in the ocean and the entire ocean simultaneously. And so we're all in a lot of clarity, not just from a mindset place where we think about overall one even you can this really feel and experience that and it makes it undeniable that feeling of one this I'm sure you've heard many people with psychedelic experiences including mushrooms and other experiences that people describe that feeling so it's very, very beautiful, you know, very beautiful very challenging very beautiful everything in between. And I just want to add that like over the last two times that we went.

Something has become very, very apparent. And for those that are new to this work, I see Roberta and Michiko. There's the ones that I saw that were new, you know, this work that we do here, our academy which we call the awareness effect academy. The reason like what we noticed when we started take the last two groups down is plant medicine is really, really genius at something and that something is bringing you to places in your life where surrender is the only way.

Right, like you're being faced with things that have been buried and I mean like I don't even mean the basement like if your basement had seven other basements like things from there right that you have never faced never seen. Never felt because you have no access to it from human like you just don't. And when that arises right it you're really left with one choice suffer or surrender. That's just kind of how medicine works.

And eventually you kind of get one way or another you get to this place of surrender and some people fight all the way through to the point where you're like, I can't fucking fight anymore and like you give up in that exhale of like. Right, but during that time there's there's parts that fight and they fight because they're scared. They fight because they're uncertain right like there's the unknown of is this thing going to kill me is it's not going to kill me is it you know whatever it might be. And the beauty is that we actually do this work with clients in our higher level programs so like our level two and level three programs.

This is actually the work that we're doing with people so that as life is coming at you and life. I can imagine most of you is coming at you. What we practice is can we develop skills and tools that allows us to find ground. That allows us to find safety that allows us to find connection that allows us to find peace well being in the midst of the chaos that is life.

You know for some of you the chaos might be career based or financial based for others of you. It could be in health wellness right and that could be like a physical health wellness it could be a mental health wellness. It could be in relationships right intimate relationships relationships at work relationships with your kids with your parents whatever it might be like. All of you have some area of life that is chaotic at this moment would you say yes and just let me know if because maybe I'm totally on face but like is there at least some place in your life that you're experiencing more chaos.

More instability more unknown. Right and if it's that if that's you then what what I noticed like over with these last two groups is that these tools that we share with people and train people on how to cultivate on going in their lives have made. Incredibly powerful and effective because instead of sitting in that place of fighting it resisting it arguing with it trying to get out of it whatever it is like the clients that we brought down there have such capacity to be in their body with what is arising that there's no fight there's no resistance. There's just an allowing and the more you allow the teacher and the spirit of I was to is unlike anything else truly like we had a couple of people down there that are healers and teachers in their own right similar to ours that have done work for over 20 years.

And this was the first time they've done medicine and both of them were like holy shit like I didn't even know that this level of healing is available on this plane like it wasn't even plausible. And they have done so much work and it was a blew them away like it shattered every concept of what they thought this was going to be. So whether you end up joining us or not and I think someone Simone I think before had had reached out about how to do that we offer this once a year as as a add on. We only have 10 spots literally to fill that's the only amount of people that we can bring that that's the max and typically what we do is we offer it to our level three clients.

If they don't fill it then we go to our level two clients if they don't feel like you know so on and so forth typically it gets filled up just with our level three clients this past time was a little bit of a strange thing so we had some some openings that we don't usually have but. What I can tell you is like if you join level three this almost becomes like the celebration. That you get to attend because it really makes you realize like wow all this amazing work that I've done now I can take and implement and have this medicine work and teach me. And it just it's like it's skyrocketed your your ability.

Yeah and Alex says like she did it before and really suffered and you know Alex went through some really really intense experiences in the jungle with us like super super intense. And for those of you guys that haven't read and I think she posted in the big group she wrote the most beautiful post about the year after doing the medicine and how it's impacted her life and her relationship with mom and like all these incredible things. And you know like the integration of what we uncover in the jungle can take upwards of a year. And so you go there and you have all these intentions and all these things start to happen and it all happens like really intense and really fast.

And then you go back into your life. And so the integration of the work is what's so important. And that's why to me it's like even if you don't come to the jungle. And what you do is you actually do this awareness effect work like you do these practices I'm telling you right now like you're going to get as close as a human can get to levels of healing that are only possible with medicine.

Through this pathway. And you cannot even touch it through mindset. You can't touch it through watching videos like this or YouTube videos or at home courses like you just can't. And if you think that you're like there's this guy that I watch who does this.

He's like a personal trainer but in this very like. I don't know he trains people I do like all these incredible things with their body like really flexible really strong etc. And what I love is literally every video that he makes he yells at the top of his lungs about how if what you're going to do is watch a bunch of these videos stop. He's like it's not going to work.

You can watch this till you're for the next 17 lifetimes you can watch these and like it's not going to shift because what you need in order to do that practice is like you need to sit with a practitioner who can see how you're holding the body and make these little adjustments for you so you can actually move through these levels. And he's like you can't do that on your own. And I'm going to tell you the same thing that he says like you can't do this work on your own. You can do parts of this work on your own.

But you can't do this work on your own. And if you're someone that's like legit looking for healing in their life and you've been sitting on the sidelines and doing this kind of like you know watch a video here sign a for digital program there you know read a book there like. I'm not saying that stuff doesn't work like it's okay. But healing happens in community healing happens in connection with another you can't heal wounds and ruptures that happen with mom and dad and in relationships that happen with another by yourself like you need other you need that template you need the the re-templating of it.

And that's why I think so many of us get stuck is you know we're fiercely independent we think that we're going to have to do all this stuff and like. You know we'll come out there when we figure it all out like you're just doing yourself a disservice. You know one way or another whether you take my word for it. Or you go and figure it out for the next 10 years on your own like you're going to come to the same conclusion.

Hopefully I can just save you 10 years and God knows how many thousands of dollars. I was just thinking at the jungle like I was invested over a million dollars. Different coaches different experiences and I started making this list in my head of like the things that we've done. And I'm sure that I forgot a good 30 40% of it the list was long.

Really long like really really long. And I just got myself I was like. Why like why wouldn't someone get value from from someone like guy and I who have invested over 21 years of day in day out training a million dollars and all these experiences. And I'm a very practical guy I can tell you with hand on heart like there's lots of things that I learned that didn't really make a difference I paid a lot of money for them but they didn't really make a difference.

And there's a few things like less than a handful of things that I do day in and day out that have made the most profound impact on my life. So yes go out and spend the next 20 years go out and spend you know a million dollars and go learn those lessons or come here get the shortcuts and actually start doing the big thing that makes the biggest difference so that you don't have to do all those things. Mr. Robert I want to reiterate it's everybody here Robert is saying I'm just trying to force me to deal with it and I've been doing it all on my own so far because the supports aren't there.

And we agree I mean like, you know, we live in a highly traumatized world we live in a highly charged world you know if global events haven't made you sick to your stomach yet. There's a lot of that. And I'm not crying because I have a side I'm crying because it's painful to watch humanity do this to humanity over and over again. And I'm born in that country so just me there's a side you know and I feel very deeply and it's just it's very hard to watch.

It's very hard to know that's happening on the planet it's very hard to know that families are impacted and children are impacted and we got to know that this stuff is not new. We've been doing this to each other for a really really really long time. And it doesn't go away until we learn how to be compassionate with ourselves that's the reality. I don't care what you think is going to force all this to come to a close or that for this world to be peaceful and beautiful and which it is intended to be which we are intended to be.

I have yet to meet a person in my life who cannot exude internal compassion that can exude external compassion it's not possible. You cannot give to this world where you have not given to yourself. And I like you I'm a very traumatized child. Not just from this lifetime lots of really fucked up lifetimes that through this work and through medicine work and stuff like that I've gotten horrific glimpses of what has been done to us what has been done to you what has been done to me.

And so it is imperative it is imperative for the individual to give a shit enough about this world and about themselves to face themselves in those places you know what Robert is saying traumatized heavily traumatized system can't run from it. You can hide it for a long time. Take drugs drink alcohol you can watch a lot of TV. Put ultra processed food inside your body and make yourself feel terrible and you can try to point your awareness everywhere except for where the symptom is because the symptom usually doesn't feel really fucking good to look at it.

But again we've been doing this for 21 years for me I can't even tell you how many lifetimes I have been on this path. And I've yet to meet any healing experience in my life without commitment and dedication and incredible courage to go into those dark recesses within myself and learn how to sit with them with compassion and love and relax and let that move through my system. I've just never seen it done any other way. I wish you can flick a button I wish you could snap your fingers I wish you could change a thought and have it be it doesn't work.

They're all parts of the puzzle because if you can't change your thought you're never going to look at those things anyway you're just going to keep doing what you're doing you need something to shake you out of your slumber we seem to be a species that likes to procrastinate. And I imagine from a spiritual perspective because the human animal perspective is very painful to watch but from a spiritual perspective in terms of what I believe is happening on a planet in terms of the enlightenment that is inevitable here. For some people for some systems. They are so widely dependent on this matrix as it is.

So desperately giving their power away that the only way to have them look is to shop their systems. I would like to be unfortunately unfortunately unfortunately and I would like to live in the world as I'm sure you do where that scale of shock is no longer needed for the populace to really realize what is important. There are three things that a human being must have must have that shelter. It's food and it's connection.

Healthy connection like authentic healthy connection everything else is luxury everything else. When we understand when we said here and we talk about the things that we talk about we're asking you to do something and you come to us and ask us. And when we ask when we tell you here's what it looks like to have a solution it's an uncomfortable one. We are we are asking you to face the darkness that lives within all of us that lives within yourself.

We're asking you to peer down a corridor of the unknown and still sit with the fact that that's really fucking uncomfortable. And then here's how you can sit with that so that this can move through you and that there's spaciousness opens up and that your system can shift its energy and its focus and truly transform itself because that's that is what's required. Again I wish you was some other way and maybe in the future it will be some other way but most of us have spent a lifetime avoiding what we intuitively know is true or we're unconsciously agreeing to all this shit like I truly I mean again this is a pre-level way of looking at things so I understand if you don't agree with me and that's okay. But everything that happens to us everything that happens to our species we unconsciously agree to everything you allow other people to do to you everything you allow yourself to do to yourself.

There is an unconscious agreement unconscious is unconscious you're not in control of it. Just kind of how the system works. I kind of have reality works. So you know just going back to full circle on the jungle it's like drinking a psychedelic like that that's extremely potent and has you really confronted is an act of courage every time people drink that stuff it's an act of courage every time your healing is an act of courage.

That's a requirement. And so like if you take any of our programs on it's an act of courage. That's the reality and so you got to know when you're facing that choice stuff is going to come up all the stuff that wants to keep status quo. And so you know as much as you think mentally I want things to change those parts are not aligned to that.

They are aligned to unconsciously keeping the status quo. They are comfortable in the band in which they work with even if that comfort even if that band is very traumatic for your human. It really really takes something to say I want to make a change and I need support to do that. And so you want to point can you make a change without support you can put minimal because change happens and is rooted in the state of mastery you got master something like we can all pick up the guitar and play a few chords right here's a G here's a G here's any something you're playing that chord well or does it sound good for anybody.

Completely out of it's out of a tune it takes a long time with a teacher to sit there and teach you the nuance of playing that instrument and to make those chords sound beautiful and in a tune it the human system is identical. And that's cool right and so like we've sat with teachers to learn how to tune our systems. What does it take to play myself a court in a court with my life's purpose with my soul's purpose. And for the most part we have a world not living in purpose or on purpose.

You know we have a world that's feeling really disconnected. And I don't know the first name of your age door like the word traumatized it's disempowering and inaccurate. I believe we're resilient by nature but it's a lack of awareness and direction people feel lost we can choose love in every decision we make. Absolutely.

I agree. You know we can always talk about the nuance and meaning of words and the meaning matters right but today you know common in the culture is the system is traumatized. And to be to be honest you know I don't know who is the first name is there. Like I've met my system in a state of trauma to me that's simply means it's some kind of a fight fight or freeze response in the system.

It means that something happened that shocked the system and that the system is stuck in that shock. Right. And it is really truly uncomfortable to meet yourself there. Having said that there are technologies that have existed on this planet.

I have been one of them but certainly there's many other ones outside of the planet. That are proven to work and like you said we had to investigate for 20 years to find us a handful of those practices that when we do them day in and day out and we share those things with other clients and we teach them how to do them. That we see systematically it works for everybody and works across the board. Now I just want to say this healing like anything in mass street is not an overnight it's not an overnight sensation.

I've never seen anybody actually heal their life at two days. 20 years of work and 10s of thousands of people healing to me is more of an art than a science. And it requires diligence commitment and patience on your part. And those last three most people don't have those things in stays.

They're not committed and they certainly don't have patience. They want to be transformed the moment they've put their money down. And it's like okay is it realistic for human beings 40 42 I'm 40 right now years old who's operated one way hundreds of thousands of times to suddenly shift everything in a moment without doing a lot of repetitions to build some sort of a new habit. Maybe I'm not seen it though personally, you know with all the people that we've done to work with all the classes I've been with.

You know people who make highway and the transformation are deeply committed to their inner work deeply committed. As much as you need to be committed to any other area of life that truly master it. If you're not committed to your spouse or partner and having a good relationship there. How does that go?

It tumbles it falls like you know because you bring all your shit and all your right disempowerment and traumatization into that environment and the other person's bound to spark it and you're bound to deal with yourself in that space. And if you don't go and get an outside perspective on how to maybe show up in your relationship in a new way your relationship is going to take some big fucking hits and tell me I'm wrong when we have a 50 or 60% divorce rate when out of two people can't say in a relationship. The other one and the rest of them for the most part are probably suffering in those relationships in some way right. So it's incumbent on all of us to look out in the world and say holy fuck that is really really out of alignment like what is happening in the world over the last you know five six, seven years and then.

Before that you know I've been really really out of alignment for humanity and it is pushing us it is forcing us to have to face ourselves in these places and to meet ourselves in a new way and let that be renewed truly. So you know you got to look for yourself it's like you know I you might have your your pain inside I get that we're all we're all traveling around with our suitcases for the pain in some way shape or form. You know and I understand we all come from different traditions and religions and look at things in a lot of different ways but as far as my investigations have showed me this consciousness that's sitting behind the head somewhere around me right. It's really it's called it's local non local phenomenon awareness.

It doesn't go anywhere it doesn't die and is always aware. This is the this is the meat suit I get this time around to do the best I can to clean stuff up. And so like the game I'm playing and I think the patients we can all to some degree play with is that we really have forever like we really have infinity to work on this stuff but what I want to see and imagine you do to is a world that suffers a lot less or has no suffering at all or rather doesn't suffering at all. So I can wait on my laurels and say alright no we can do this next time around.

But I think I'm on with that shit. You know what I do in this lifetime I really do think greatly impacts the whole and greatly impacts the life that I get to have next the body that I get to enter next and either that body's going to carry this trauma that this consciousness carries around with it. I'm going to clean that stuff up and just ultimately have a life that's more a little more than ease and I do absolutely believe the transformation on our planet is inevitably and it's coming for all of us. The question you got to ask yourself as the next X many years get fucking crazy which we're seeing that there has not been a slowdown in crazy for a minute for like how many years now we're all like waiting for things to get back to normal it's not going to happen we're done with that stuff.

We are in a reburthing process. Rebirthing is super intense. It's scary it's emotional it's related it's exciting it's terrifying it's everything together that that's the status of the world right now that's the status of us and our consciousness right now. And so like how are you going to contribute to that through your own experience even if you never help another individual on this planet which is fine I think most people do want to serve in some way that just constantly be part of the course.

But even if it's just to serve yourself just to serve yourself compassionately to meet yourself in a loving place truly though enough that would be a systemic change on our planet. And so hopefully when we make you know we can send invitations you guys can feel in here where I'm speaking from and the determination that we have to support people and finding these pathways for yourself and also have an understanding that this is not a one size fix all fix. And it really does require your diligence or commitment and your patience with yourself because you are going to fuck this up royally anyways from Sunday. But little by little you're going to you're going to centralize yourself and get very grounded on how to walk this spiritual path that we're all on for our personal and communal healing.

I hope that's that's a lot of you guys. I just want to H Dorland said he doesn't like the word traumatized. Yeah, so I just I it's interesting how certain words trigger certain responses in us. And I think I just want to offer that like something that became very apparent to me is and again like at the end of the day words guys are nothing more than distinctions right it's it's someone creating some sort of map through distinctions using certain words.

So for me like when I learned and I think it was Roy was saying that you know he is less you know doesn't have as much trauma and so for I was kind of very similar situation. We were born to a family and parents that love each other we experienced a lot of love throughout and to this day you know happily married and very much in love and so we grew up in a household that had respect and love for everyone, you know, for us as kids, for them in the relationship and we would do these practices and programs and people would always be like, you know, how did mom or dad like what do they do to traumatize you this night and we're like, they didn't really do anything we kind of had like an idyllic life we weren't abused mentally physically emotionally etc so all these things were like didn't make sense didn't make sense. Someone gave me a map that kind of shifted things for me and they broke trauma into big tea trauma and then little tea trauma and I'd never heard that before so I would like to share with you guys because big tea trauma is kind of what everyone talks about and trauma just so you understand is simply an event in one's life that something happened that created a reaction of some sort and the reaction could have led to sadness embarrassment fear whatever it might be. Okay, that's all that means right there's like trauma is like impact like something got hit and then had a reaction so big tea trauma is what most people talk about physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse abandonment things of that nature.

Right, sadly, many, many, many people on this planet have some serious big tea trauma. Guy and I lived more in the world of little tea trauma and little tea trauma happens all the time. Little tea trauma simply means that there was a miss attunement between you and the person that you were in an interaction with. So for example, if I was really sad, right, like I came and I was crying, but my guardian at that time, they had not healed or dealt with sadness.

So for them sadness was not okay. And even in the best with the best of intentions, if that guardian did not allow you to be witnessed while being sad, but instead try to give you a piece of candy or distract you or tell you that there's no need to be sad, everything's okay, you know, like try to logic you out of sadness that creates a little tea trauma. Can you guys feel that like miss attunement, right, like the child is having an experience and that experience isn't validated that creates impact. And so when we talk about trauma, I really want to name that like it doesn't have to be these big things for guy and I took well over 15 plus years to finally understand that yes, our parents were amazing.

However, like our father, for example, didn't have emotional attunement, right, like he wasn't able to be with sad, he wasn't able to be with certain emotions because he at that time in his life had not tapped into his emotional body. And so when the little one isn't met in the way that they need to be met, that creates a reaction in the body, because it really wants to be held, right, it really wants to be met in the sad in the fear in the whatever it doesn't need the explanation. The little one doesn't need to be told that there's no monsters under the bed or, you know, guns on TV aren't real like it, the little one just needs to have an experience and be held in sad or fear or whatever it might be. If you've been around kids long enough, you know that like kids have this amazing ability to peak, it's like the wave peaks of their emotional state.

And then if it's met, it just dissipates. The kid doesn't need the explanation out of it. It just needs to know that like it can have the full breadth of the human experience. And truth is that unless your parents did a lot of this work, which most people have not, right, like they let you down.

They weren't there in the ways that you needed to be met. And that's not to say that they were bad parents. It's just like they didn't have the tools. They didn't know how.

They did the best that they can with the information that they had at hand every single one of them, just like every single one of us. And when you alter the information, when you alter the experience, when you allow yourself to have these new openings and it only starts with you, like you can't give to somebody else what you don't have. So guess what you have to get adept at. Can you be with your sadness?

Can you be with your little one that's scared? Can you be with your little one that gets out or nervous or feels abandoned or alone? Like you first have to be able to give that to yourself. And the reason why I say like you can't do that in a video and you can't do that by reading a book and you can't do that by listening to these two guys talk on a Tuesday is because what you're missing is the template for that holding.

How can you give yourself something that was never given to you? Like you don't even know what that feels like. If you can't create safety in your own system, what are you shooting for? You read the word piece.

Okay, I want to be more peaceful. What is that? Do you even know what peaceful feels in body? No, you don't because you've never had that experience.

You first need an anchor point of something. And this is again, like what I lost is incredible at is like it gives you these experiences where you as a felt sense. You're like, whoa. That's what receiving love feels like.

That's what a system at ease and restfulness feels like. You can read a million books that point to peace, but until it's felt in your body, your body doesn't know where to go. Your body can't create the experience through you reading words. It's like two different languages.

And this is why people get stuck in the world of acquiring more information because your mind convinces you that, oh, you know what? I'm so close. If I just take a deep dive into the teachings of peace by Buddha, like, I'm going to get there. No, you're not.

Take it from someone that's tried a lot. Like, you just can't. But you go sit with someone who has developed that level of peace or ground or stability or well-being in their system and your system drinks it in whether you're doing it or not. Just by the virtue of you being there, you're like, oh, because we learn through transmission.

We learn through osmosis. It's the way we learn as kids. And it's the way we will always learn. And so if you're not putting yourself in those environments, this is what I'm saying, like, you can't learn it.

You can get the theoretical aspect of it, but you just can't learn it. You guys get that? Is this landing? This is really important.

Like this single conversation can save you decades of waste of time because the mind likes the path that you're on. It is predictable. You're going to have little squirts of like, oh, my God, it feels so smart now. But like, you're still going to have the same responses, the same reactions in the body because until that trauma is healed and felt fully through, it will run the show for as long as you live.

And you're just going to throw more information at it, but it's still going to run the show because until you sit with practitioners, that's your template. That's the only thing you've got to work with. And our teacher always says like, the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. There's only a handful of people, maybe, depending on whether you believe we landed on the moon or not, that actually like experience moon.

And they can tell you all about it, but like, until you were there jumping around in less gravity and like experiencing that whole thing, like none of us have a fucking clue about moon. So to me, it's like, where are you short-changing yourself and where are you robbing yourself of getting on the court and actually having an as-lived experience versus an as-red story? You guys feel like the difference between that? It's massive.

Massive. You know, it's interesting, like my daughter really likes baking. And, you know, there's bajillions of videos, right? Like bake this, bake that, bake this, bake that.

I don't know how many of you guys have done this, but like, if you try to cook something new or bake something new or whatever it is, like, obviously depending on your level of expertise in the kitchen, you know, you're going to produce different results. It's amazing. Like, you see someone create something on TV or on video and you follow along, same steps. And then your finished product and different product look completely different, right?

Because they have like the experiential aspect of it. So in any event, should we share our amazing downloading gift with these? You're muted. You're not muted.

You're just not working. So you want me to share with them? Okay. You'll put the link in there.

Okay. All right. So I'll give you a little bit of background and I'll tell you what we came up with. And my hope, my hope is that it lands for you in a way that supports you and provides you with the support and the opportunity to receive support in a way that maybe you've not had that before.

You know, something that became very clear to us while sitting in the jungle and working with this beautiful medicine is people are really in it. And like people are really, really struggling. emotionally, people are really struggling mentally, people are really struggling financially. Guy and I are in this place where we experience all those struggles as well.

And we literally sat and were like brainstorming and feeling into, you know, how can we give back in a way? You know, what can we do to offer incredible levels of support to someone that's in that state. And we just mulled it over, you know, like we literally sat there and felt the collective pain and the struggle and all this stuff. Anyway, we came back, we sat with it.

And like I said, just before this call, we had this conversation and so we have an Awareness Effect Academy here. There's three levels to the Awareness Effect Academy, Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3. And we know that there's many, many of you that are either here live or going to watch this on replay that have been kind of sitting on the sidelines, you know, like watching these videos and kind of trying to dip your toe in different things, whether it's the MMI program or Prime or Fundance or whatever it is right. And like I said in this conversation, the thing that makes the biggest difference is on the court coaching and live support.

If you don't have that in your life, like as good as a program is going to be, it's not going to give you what it is that you want. And I mean that wholeheartedly like our team, when they get on a call with someone who's bought, you know, our program for $49, I'm like, ask them what they really want. And if this program isn't going to give them the results that they want, then give them their money back. Just tell them like this is not the program for you.

Because sitting in your own in the comfort of your own home without getting reflection from a coach without being able to be in a group setting without being able to get your custom feedback like. It just doesn't work. It's good. It's great for information.

It's great for insights. It's great for knowledge, but it's not, it's not the thing that shifts. So anyway, we've been our Level 1 program has been offered at $3,000. And what that includes is is weekly coaching.

There's a weekly group coaching that you can attend forever, if you so choose at that price. It comes with seven modules that Guy and I have recorded that you get to go through so that as you're going through it, you get to keep jumping back into those practices. And then again, showing up to these calls and wherever you are in life, actually getting like feedback and coaching for where you're at in life. And it also comes with a live event ticket.

So you get to attend one of our two day live events for free. I mean, for free included in that bundle with Guy and I, whether you can make, you know, the next upcoming one or you have to delay to the next one, it doesn't matter if you have access to it for free. And also we offer the primary abundance as a bonus to this as well. So we sat here and we're like, okay, what could we do?

And what we're going to do is, and we're going to try at least until the end of the year as a way to give back to you all is we're not going to charge you 3000 or even 2000 or even 1000, which is kind of where we wanted to be. We're like, all right, let's do 1000. And then we just out there and we're like, all right, what would feel so fucking valuable to someone that like, it would be a no brainer for them to be like, okay, I'll take a year long, you know, years worth of coaching and the modules and plug into the next one. And the number that came to both of us was $497.

I know, I know, even as I say it, I'm like, we really yeah $497. So if you've sat on the sidelines, collecting information, and you want to jump in and actually start moving the needle and getting on the core coaching weekly, plus coming to the live plus having primary abundance, plus having access to all the modules, you can do that now, and then you can get in there, $497. Again, I don't know how long we're going to keep this up. I don't know how long we're going to keep this open.

I have no idea. It's just something that came through right now with everything that's happening in the world. So, I don't even know what the percentage of this is but it's $2,500 off of what the normal investment prices. And you're right, Andrew is just pointing out it's not sick.

It's not four calls a month. You actually get six coaching sessions a month. So, I don't know, let me, let me do that quick math six. So, that's 72 sessions that you have access to per month.

That's $6.90 a session that you guys get $6.90 for coaching live coaching. You know, I can't imagine that someone can't afford that. But that's what we want to do. So we're going to see if this hopefully supports those that have kind of been sitting on the periphery with money issues and this and that, you know, hopefully everyone can afford $497 or $6.90 a week or whatever it comes out to.

Yeah, that's what we wanted to offer you. That was the crazy, crazy, crazy thing that popped through. It might be the worst idea we've ever had. It might be the best idea we've ever had.

But we really like we trust this work in the medicine so much and it was a very clear, resonant piece of like, do something. And so, yeah, again, act, act fast. We might change our mind next week and be like, this is the stupidest thing we've ever done. And so now that link will get you that opportunity and then you can jump in and get the live training, which is really what will set your life apart.

There's not a single person that has gone through a level one program that hasn't come back and told us that it was one of the most profoundly life changing experiences. Right. So it's worth more than $3,000. Trust me.

And people that have done it and paid that price will tell you flat out like still one of the best investments. So get off your ass, take action, plug in, and just start doing the real work. That's our crazy offer to you all. So while while it's out there, make sure you grab it.

That's the link up there. It's go.citoriprime.com forward slash level one promo is the link, just in case, you know, they're not seeing this on the on the page again go.citoriprime.com forward slash level one, the number one promo. Hope that helps. Hope to see you guys in that program guy.

I also jumped out there and do trainings for you guys once a month out there once a month, once every six weeks, something like that. So you'll see us in there as well. And yeah, don't to like don't to like get started. We love you guys and hope this was valuable and insightful and now it's a matter of you taking action.

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