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Yeah, it's not that I don't like cheesy 80s saxophone playing. It's that I just don't like it when I'm trying to record a show. What douchebag is playing a saxophone near you? Some guy that looks like the guitar player from Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band, except he's playing Alto sax.
Maybe it's not. Yeah, that's an Alto. So yeah, he's just out there by the driveway, and normally I would have my windows open. I'm parked at the Starbucks using their Wi-Fi.
And I'm like, hey, we're trying to record. I don't know. Hopefully you can't hear it. I can hear it a little bit.
But whatever, he's not that bad. I can't hear anything. OK, good. He's got some chops.
He's not got good jazz chops, but he's got some 80s chops. And it's just a bad place to, like, it's the end of a driveway going onto a main street. So it's not like people are going to just stop and be like, oh, this is great. You're a talented busker.
But whatever. Whatever. We're here. We have to share this stolen Wi-Fi and get to do in a goddamn show.
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I'm Kabby. I am K And for some reason, just the sound of it reminds me of some Twilight Zone episode from long, long ago. I don't like to see, you know, bringing us to New York, you know, on top of the rooftops in the humid summer days where there's a chick on a rooftop that just poisoned her husband. And then there's another one, you know, some other, you know.
You had to get all dark, didn't you? Well, I'm just saying Twilight Zone wasn't necessarily all cheery. It was kind of an eerie creepy. So, Kathy, there's lots of stuff.
Uh-huh. I can tell there's a lot going on over there in that Starbucks. There's a lot going on at the Starbucks drive-through. I had the, um, pre-vacation, uh, potential, giving me and out if she no longer wants to be with me once I get there.
Talk. What? So, so that was good. Why don't I, you need to expand on that a little bit.
Well, Katherine. Mm-hmm. I like it when you use my full name like that. It is a sexy name.
I love your name. Well, Katherine, this is something we've talked about, I think, on the show multiple times. There is a realism and I am a fan of authentic truth-seeking and looking ahead at the bigger picture, not just in my life, but in other people's lives, in how humanity works, in how human psychology works. And I'm a big fan of that.
And I'm a big fan of finding out how it works so I can then not be caught off guard and made miserable, uh, when everything changes because I've had a lot of change in my life. And one of the things I knew for pretty certain was that after a new went-to-med school, that was going to be the beginning of the end of whatever our romantic daddy-girl relationship was. Right. You know, we knew a change no matter what.
And then she went and got all, you know, into that other guy and, you know, and then broke up and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. But now it's to the point to where I've been kind of a wreck for a year. You know, I've still been there on the phone. We talk every day and it's been, you know, I'm as supportive as I can be while she's going through med school doing things that I have no clue or idea what med school is about, you know, other than what she tells me and that it's really hard and I play cheerleader.
Right. But other than that, I got nothing to offer this person, you know, and the things, and I know the things that I did have to offer her have now run their course and that, especially going from 20 years old when we started to now she's 27, I know that around 26, 27, 28, most people, as from what I know women, because I can only go by me and then all the other women, that there's a shift from the wild, fun, adventurous, uh, collegey kind of days to then at 26, 27, 28, there's kind of a, there's a shift where you don't necessarily become, I mean, a lot of people have children, a lot of people, uh, get married and start, you know, kind of doing the thing. But I think that's not because just socially, I think the age wise in your mind, there's a certain level of physiology mixed with psychology and how you view yourself, that thing shift around that time. That's your first shift.
And then there's one in your 30s, 40s and 50s. And then I don't know what happens in your 60s because you're not there yet. Do you understand what I'm saying? Does that make sense?
Well, because I know I had a big shift in my mid 20s, my mid late 20s, and that was where I had all my existential stuff and whatever. So I know it's coming and I know that because I'm so much older, that her shift is probably not going to include me. And so I've been prepared for this and I'm actually, it's actually a relief because I hate being where I'm not effective and I just feel stupid, you know, I don't want to be that. It's like, get off the stage, you know, you rocked, now get the fuck off the stage and let them rock with someone else.
And so sure enough, I could sense that there was some, you know, some feelings and that she was maybe avoiding some things. And so I just kind of went right for it and I go, you know, it's okay if you're not attracted to me when I get there, right? And she just words, boogie. And she just pauses for a minute and she says, that is something I'm worried about.
I love the honesty of this woman. So well, she knows it's me, you know, that she's, you know, I'm not going to punish her for that honesty as best I can. And so I'm like, it makes sense. I mean, I don't have a lot to offer right now that's attractive, you know, besides all the external, she's never really cared much about the external and if I'm overweight or or whatever, you know, that's, she's more demisexual.
But as far as like, she's like, I kind of want to, you know, I think I want to be with someone that's more ambitious. And I know she's done this to other, other dudes in the past. And so of course, that makes absolute sense. You're in med school.
If you're looking for a partner, you want someone that's going to like, you know, kind of challenge each other to that next level. Like you're going here, I'm going here. That is an absolutely healthy desire to have in a relationship. And right now, my ambition is I don't have it.
You know, I have ambition, but it's completely buckshotted over all the million things I've tried. I'm incredibly defeated. But in a sense, the ambition, if the ambition is the show, then I already have it. We have the show.
We have a service. We have something, you know, I would love for the show to grow to 20 to 100,000 listeners. You know, that'd be great. But that's a pipe dream right now.
It's after six years. It's a fucking, that's a failed dream. But what we do have is about, you know, 700 to 1000 listeners a week. And that's a real thing.
Compared to most Americans and people that run through their cycle and, you know, they have the kid to go to the soccer game, you know, they do the thing, you know, having a show like this and being of service to that many people is a very, it's not a, it's a good thing. It's a great thing. I mean, I'm, I think a lot of times that we, I'm gonna say, wait, I'm gonna say me, the show and get doing the work for it, it starts to, especially after all this time, it starts to become just normal part of the routine. And I, and we're always in danger of forgetting how fucking amazing it is.
But I don't think I've ever gone more than a few weeks thinking that before some listener will write to us and say how much the show means to them for me to go. Yep, that's why we're still with the show. Yeah. And in, in the bigger picture, if this is the, if this is it, Kathy, right, which it probably is, it probably is.
It probably is. It's very, very sad. It's very sad trying to avoid the suicide thing. But if it is, yes, I have failed on many other things in my life, but this show has been a success in the service and helping people and having an outlet for you and I to converse over these things and create this family of people that isn't just about kink and sexuality, but basically how to navigate your life and your mind and mental illness and relationships and all of the things that we struggle with in life, I think the show has been incredibly successful at that.
Yeah, absolutely. I agree. So as far as ambition, yeah, I have it. I keep trying shit, but ultimately I'm where I might end up dying.
So I don't have that. I don't have any like pizzazz to offer. Yeah. You know, Boogie, I think that for you and I, this is as good as it gets.
And that's a very depressing thought. I don't like saying that. But at the age, definitely at the age I'm at, you don't, you kind of lose the fantasy part of your brain that always thinks, yeah, great thing could happen. Yeah.
Yeah. Are you ready to get in a van and we smell each other's parts while we drive to dump, to dump, to dump, to try to break a band? You know, like what you have to do, you know, like if we get lucky and we make a funny Tik TikTok video and a million people find us great, but that hasn't happened in six years. As appealing as you make that van sound Boogie, I think I'm going to have the best.
Probably not. I'm like, we're old and it hurts and but we're here. So to make a short story, very long, you know, it was, she was very glad we had that conversation. And I said, look, it cost about $150 to change a flight, to change my flight home once I get there.
You know, it gets like $150 like if I want to leave, so instead of two weeks, if I want to cut it to three days, you know, I'll just get back on a fucking plane and come home. Right. You know, and, and so I said, if it's not there and it feels awkward and uncomfortable after six months of not seeing each other, then I'll go. Right.
And that's, and so we don't have to have the pressure. I'm pretty sure we'll have a nice time. I don't know if we'll ask a whole two weeks, but I'm sure you guys are going to have a good time. I am actually very envious of your ability not to plummet into a sense of worthlessness because somebody rejects you.
I don't have that super power, but I am beyond envious. I am jealous of you. I haven't heard that often. Not very often.
I hear that. I've been crying at work. All my coworkers have seen me cry. I cried in front of my boss.
I have never been so happy to work at a place with 30 men in my life because they just fucking ignore me. They don't come up to me. You okay? Every now and again, someone will toss a roll of toilet paper on your desk.
It's the level of construction, compassion that may have there. Oh, that's it. The way that they show me they care is they continue to dump the same amount of work on my desk hour after hour. We'll help you distract here.
Fill this shit out. So true. That life is the place where you want to go and play, but then they fuck each other in the ass with their horns because that's the kind of freakish shit that happens on that life. Boy, your piece of mind, please know that the other very most we talk about how it's specifically granted as permission to do so today we have a post by SABIUS Dom.
And of course, when I first read that, I thought it was spacious Dom. Spacious Dom. He's very spacious. I guess.
Or he's, you know, has been his own existential awareness and he's now living in a large space. The expanse of the universe that is his dominance. Either way, Dom. What the hell does SABIUS mean?
I'm assuming it's like SABIO having to do with intellect. Oh, oh, so he's a thinking Dom. He'd be one of them thinking Dom's. Yeah, let's see what he's got to think.
All right. He wrote a post called Don't Jump the Gun in which he says, too often do I find myself in the middle of a conversation and the other party will start to call me by a title such as Sir. To me having a sub and somebody who calls me any title is something precious. In order to get on that level, trust, chemistry, boundaries and a connection needs to be established.
You wouldn't let somebody call or you on a first date would you? Just because somebody identifies as a dominant or master does not make them your dominant and master. If somebody had to demand that right out of the gate without proving their worth to you, you should probably step away. I'm sure this will make some people mad, but trying to establish a presence to strangers without knowing them signals nothing but insecurity to me.
I like this as an angle because I wrote a post very similar to this a few years back. Don't throw your sir at me or something like that because I had a bunch of experiences in the dungeon that were very similar to what this guy was talking about. It is true in a lot of ways depending on the point of view that everyone's coming from. Where before I think I was a lot more about don't cheapen yourself.
You're insecure. You're invalidating my dominance. You're invalidating your submission that I came at it from where I do agree with the poster that it's definitely a sign that maybe you don't understand the importance of a DS dynamic or you don't understand how serious and how much trust and respect on both sides of the dynamic that has to build before the honorifics start to really mean something. I do agree with that.
I also have become a little more patient in understanding they may just be there for role play. Yes, exactly. Which was my entire internet experience when I first came in. Just like you don't want a submissive just calling you sir to jerk off the role play fantasy when you take that more seriously.
The same way that I talked to almost every woman that identified as a submissive as though they wanted to role play that with me. So it's kind of like establishing first are you here for play play or you're here for real real. Yes, I think that's an important distinction and I think that this has been a very long standing debate in the community. People tend to be very strongly on either side and then there's people like you and me that are like well if it's role play why the fuck does it matter versus if you are really entering into a power exchange then you need to have more serious talk.
A true power exchange does not happen easily like that. So if you're going for one perfectly fine to call somebody by an honorific. If you're going for the other you better have the talk first I think it depends on where you're going with it. I personally would not I don't enjoy engaging in pick up play or just regular role playing.
So that would not be I tend to lean more on the side of the poster and say that's not something I use lightly and I can imagine possibly where there may be a couple of instances where I would allow that to happen. The circumstances would have to be very precise but I get both sides of it. I don't see any problem with people doing both of them. Yeah, I think in general it goes back to the same thing we've talked about for six years on the show forever which is hey what's so hard to have a conversation.
If somebody calls you know if you start maybe you're kind of flirting or you know flirting online or discussing play or what are you curious about and they throw an honorific at you that's just a great time to say hey what are what do you think that means to you is are you doing a role play are you interested in role play or are you interested in finding a relationship and it's an easy question to ask and the person and if the person comes back and says I don't know this is just something I think I want well now you know it's ignorance and that's a great opportunity for you to talk about how important it is to value your submission and to value the dominance. That's a great it's a great teachable moment and then if somebody says well I just kind of want role play well now you know where they stand and you are now role playing that so either way having that conversation doesn't have to be a snobby thing because we get it on both sides you get it on both sides when and it's not gender specific when male doms or female doms act overly dumly when they you know meet you and see you're a submissive you know you automatically just assume oh you're just a douchebag and you think that everyone's just going to submit to you or like me I thought everything was a role play I really didn't understand about 24 seven dynamics right I kind of thought it was all kind of role play when I you know before I got in the lifestyle and some people they they kind of had to school me a little bit you know I was never super douchey like you will kneel before me you know I kind of waited for the cues that they kind of you know it was a little back and forth but there was absolutely an assumption that oh we're we're talking like this that automatically means that I'm supposed to take this role and you take that role. Right I totally get it and everybody is different and there are grades of what you're willing to do not willing to do I personally have been at parties where people have called me ma'am right like I'll say can you go and get me a glass of water from the kitchen and I'll go yes ma'am and to me that's a sign of respect and I'm a great I'm a great believer in courtesy and respect so if you're doing that for me I have no problem with that word I have no problem with anybody saying that to me because it is much more generalized the word ma'am is something that you hear more often and so I don't mind you start calling me a mistress and I'm going to put a stop to that right away because that's just happens to be a personal line of mine right right so yeah and I can't understand sometimes the thing that's like I don't know the thing that used to make me mad is I remember there was one person who they were in the lifestyle for a while and you could see they were looking for that high from you by calling you sir but they would call everyone sir or you know mistress or whatever right because they were just looking for like gay you know I'm like oh should I need paper towels I will get them for you sir and I'm like oh no no no no no you're just now you're just now jerking off your submissive little thing at my expense and that makes me feel cheap yes absolutely so I mean in in general there's there's a few different ways to look at this but I think having a conversation right at the get go with people about what they're looking for and what you're looking for is the quickest way to decide how to proceed yeah absolutely good post though thank you spacious Dom I mean savious Dom spacious Dom I created gigantic environment for you to feel safe to submit to my glorious universal authority I'm quite a spacious Dom I'm a little more spacious than I would would like right now I'm very spacious I would like to be shrinking Dom anytime now let's just reverse the space no inward absolutely I could touch my own mind it's been so long since the play that I'm more a virgin than a slut I think it's like my billo every time I squeeze a tool of a toothpaste and I'm not a big and lonely I took the big five tests you were talking about you did I did I've taken a lot of them and I you know you've seen very surprised by yours or at least you know you got the information I was not surprised even moderately at mine because you know I don't know if it was the same one you took but it had scores you know like you know from creativity to compassion to yeah and then it was like a one to a hundred so unlike you know communication and creativity you know and all those I got like ninety to ninety five you know like I'm off the chart is like you know a thinker and you know that emotional stability oh no nine it literally just like it just literally stopped the thing and then like this face came on and it's like hey bro really don't even try to tie shoes you should have Velcro shoes for the rest of your life because you're a fucking wreck it was awesome once again not surprised at all but I was motivated today knowing that you've been going through things I don't want it I didn't want to surprise you and I figured out I played for you I was in the library now I couldn't I wanted to write a Kathy Cheer up song and I couldn't and I couldn't you know I wasn't in storage and I was in the library so I can't actually sing so I used what I had in the library and it I mean I wanted to cheer you up oh my god I want you to just listen just listen and feel the cheery joy that I wanted to give you Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy you roll here so I was ready for an outpouring of love and what I get is chicken chicken is love chicken and bro finger I I'm like oh that's so nice bookie roby a love like how much he love me chicken and bro finger well yeah I mean you think that's bad oh well I am sons any sexual partner right now so to my great surprise I'm fast approaching point where I'll be like bro finger I'll put on a glove you can put a sheet over me like it'll just be the fingers and a glove coming out and you'll be all but he's not here there is no there's no bookie just bro finger and you'll get your little toy and I'll just go I love how you know me so well there would happen be a sheet over you total sheet won't be listening to questions Kathy's bottle feels attention must go to read kinky posts and fuck up problems he gets our shit on the way we try to solve them the Reds Kathy you need to stop calling it that read it that's what it is back to the Reds back to the Reds we go because the guilt trip apparently not enough for the kids to write in lots of questions so we go to the Reds and once again which we talk about all the time I really wish we I mean I do try to respond in threads when I get an idea that I'm like oh this would be great to talk about on the show so I don't you know so you don't leave the person high and dry that's asking a pretty genuine question sometimes right and sometimes they get some really good answers like there's a BDSM community on Reddit and and there's a couple of redits on there that are pretty good and there's it's kind of a mix you know there's like non kinky people who give like really fucking stupid advice and then there's a lot of people that are more into the sex positive lifestyle and and they give some good advice too so I don't feel that bad anymore because there is more good advice coming in in the last couple years on Reddit right but I thought this was really interesting I don't know if it's the same person it's two separate posts that I saw but they all sent her around kind of the mommy thing so I didn't look to see if it was the same person having the conversation but it was two different aspects of the same thing and the first one is she shares that she's okay with kink that she likes kink and she likes the kinky sex but what she's really about is she wants a mommy and she's interested in that that mommy dynamic and so because of that which this leads to a great conversation she's like is the should I bother getting in the community because I'm not really she doesn't seem to really connect with the whole BDSM thing right but she you know she really likes this mommy girl dynamic and so she's wondering if being in the community would actually be of benefit to her got it so that set me off onto my uber rant which a lot of people have had this rant and that is has the term BDSM run its course because it's confusing people now right when they think the BDSM community they think the bondage discipline sadomasochism definition and traditional leather dungeons there's there's like specific imagery that the media has portrayed about BDSM and they're like I'm not really into that but I'm into this and they don't understand that the umbrella of the sex positive kinky sex that there are thousands of micro communities all under that kind of sex positive kink umbrella right I agree 100 percent the terms BDSM and kink have become almost interchangeable at this point it doesn't doesn't mean that they're homogenized it just means that because as you say they're umbrella terms you use kink and BDSM and you've covered a lot of bases and you're good to go um speaking as somebody who's not been to too many different dungeons I only know the ones in the LA area I know that any successful dungeon throughout the course of a month will have many different parties that are geared toward many subsets of that community so it's not surprising to find one club in which you will have a night where only femdoms are there and then another night where it's all about rope on edge right and sometimes there are people that go to each one of these that I know people that go to the rope parties that never go to anything else you just don't see them anywhere else because they decided that's where they want to land they're not interested in the rest so when you say entering into the BDSM or kink community I think it's just better that you say I'm entering into the community and not be so worried about the labels however if in your area the community happens to be a handful of parties that are all seem to be geared in one direction I can understand your reticence and the need for that question because in your from your perspective in your experience the term community seems to mean these four parties a month and that's all it is and they're all ds um geared so I get it I guess it depends what that term means in your area and that's where I get really kind of ranty because what's happening is you have all of these new people that want to explore their sexuality they want to explore their kinks they may even want to explore these different dynamics and they think the community is one thing right they think it's like oh and we've had this argument so many times where it's just like oh well that's the community you know well no that's a micro community under this entire whatever this sex positive thing is that incorporates literally dozens and dozens of different types of dynamics kinks and ways to explore your sexuality with your partner and so absolutely it's good for you to get into the community but it's very important for you to a realize that there are many different aspects to a community and then there are many little communities under that big umbrella and because of that that's the other thing that's really dangerous is because you hear a lot of people online saying the community is really positive and it's really healthy and it's really safe that could be complete bullshit for your personal experience if the community in your area is filled with a bunch of assholes exactly so it's about how do we teach people that there is a lot of information out there and in general yes the accountable combined sex positive community because we're all together interacting our ideas and thoughts and classes and education that there is a higher propensity towards it being more positive and more potentially safe and good for you but you you can't just say oh well I joined the community and now these people are telling me that I have to give them my money and when I walk in the door I have no say about my personal limits or safety right right that was a good one yeah I like that and you know but it made me kind of sad because it's such a you know for us we've been around for a while and we've been in these communities and we're like well yeah there's less information here for you it's just it's not all you know old guard leather master slave relationships right so so that was good I don't know if it's the same person but maybe it was you know because this was you know in another I don't know another group and this person says that she's very small she was like listed very very short you know not a lot of muscle like a really just a little person like me and she's huh like me like me but even like considerably smaller than the new that what she gave so she's a little girl and that the fact that she's a little girl she looks younger whatever this actually gives her a lot of insecurities people don't take her seriously they because me went through this because she looked 15 literally until like a year ago she looked really really young and now she's starting to look a lot more adult so this is an insecurity for this this woman who's I don't know maybe she's in her early 20s or something like that but she says I completely fantasize I am in love with the idea of having a dominant mommy woman overpower me and and take care of me you know she says not in a mean evil way but she really loves basically she's talking it sounds like she's talking like female supremacy kind of dominant mommy thing and so she asked a really good question she says am I just fetishizing my insecurities or is is this actually a healthy thing but I didn't read what insecurities she's referring to does she actually say that she all she describes her how small she is right that she enjoys a lot of little cute things that she still has that she has stuffies she likes dressing in onesies likes being helpless and being taken the idea of being taken care of and being gently dominated I didn't see her list any insecurities well I think the insecurities is that she's small and people treat her like she's small right and you used to actually love that like that was something she thought very positively about but for this woman it's like an insecurity you know she feels very uncomfortable about her size and how people react to her size and that like they don't take her seriously so the fact that all of a sudden she has these super hot fantasies about a woman completely dominating her and making her feel small that that's a confusion so the way I see it is that she has a small person and like any trait that any one of us have whether it's a behavioral trait or a physical trait there are good things about it and there are bad things about it I'm a very dominant independent woman for the most of the time which is a good thing as far as I'm concerned because I like being like this and I like taking control of my own life and not having people tell me what to do but it is a deterrent when the other side of me wants to come out and find a dominant because I'm not naturally demure I'm not naturally feminine and I have trouble expressing that because people don't see it in me so I see that the same thing as her on the one hand being small serves her purposes when it comes to a kink or fetish because she and enjoys that aspect of being small it plays perfectly into it frankly she could feel the same way and be six foot tall and it would be an obstacle for her but in this case it happens to play beautifully into her kink so just go with a flow there's no need to stop it and unfortunately in other areas of her life like probably in business or in school or many number of situations her size plays against her because we tend to see if people as smaller as needing to be taken care of so in some areas of life it works in your favor and in others it does not work in your favor and I don't think there's anything wrong with celebrating the parts where it works in your favor that's very well spoken I think that's very very well spoken I think it's also good to not like the two don't conflict you know it's like it's there's wait how am I gonna say this look at my notes yes look at your notes but you always write so many I mean yeah I got one page I got I got one page well what I'm talking about is one is your desire one is your natural desire which you can't change that whether it's whether it's socially seems weird or in the other part of your mind it seems like well why am I turned on by the thing I'm insecure about you're not going to stop the fact the physiological fact that your desires are your desires right the thing I'm always quick to point out is you accept your desires that that's it that's that's what turns you on but there's nothing wrong with of course taking a look at it and saying why does this turn me on what about it turns me on and then maybe you can find other things in some ways which we've known with humiliation and weight and body image and all the different things that that have been insecurities for people that have been challenged in play the goal of that is to make you stronger for people that hate humiliation and hate being humiliated they love bunny was a lot like this the humiliation made her stronger it was a way for her mind maybe the excitement was that if I get past this and I can be degraded and objectified and all these things that are very against what I feel about myself in my regular life maybe I gained power over that and in that power and freedom your mind releases those good sexy feelings because now there is sexuality in overcoming things right that's absolutely true it is an element of kink and bdsm that people who are not into that simply do not understand how can you like being hit by your dominant if you were abused as a child how can you enjoy consensual non-consensual play if you were sexually abused and they don't understand that some people not everybody as just as you said use that to gain power over that insecure weak part of them that some monster has made them become and so when it's something like that that kind of cathartic release it's a beautiful thing to see and in this case you're seeing a milder version of that when where you have somebody who has a body size that like we said doesn't help them in the rest of life actually hinders them in some ways this is a way it might be a way of of taking your power back so yeah I love this question because it's a very subtle question and it speaks to the mind of the person who asked themselves that kind of question so it's really great absolutely absolutely and and as a party note I think the perverted podcast mantra is if you're going to be in a dynamic where you are playing with things that you know you have insecurities that is not something you should do with somebody that you just jump in with this should be somebody and I say should because I'm gonna fucking say should this should be somebody that you trust and that you guys have discussed what to do when things go bad right and how otherwise you can do more damage than good in that in that dynamic so take some time find somebody find a mommy that has really expressed to you that your she has your best interests and that you guys will work through those insecurities together and then all of a sudden just like Kathy said it becomes an amazing beautiful and empowering thing yeah absolutely great great red pulls great pulls from the Reds Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy Kathy finger finger I can kind of have the chicken do those robot voices were so weird they were inside my FL studios and I'm just like well maybe I can make it talk and I'm horrible at that because you don't have a lot of freedom to move the vocals around a lot right so you can't be your tempo or whatever maybe you can I can't do it but I just heard bro finger I'm like oh she'll love that there was a best you could do under the circumstances and I appreciate it oh you poor desperate thing I know I'll take anything at this point I'm contemplating bro finger that's how desperate I am now if I'm cool I just lay back just lay back I'm like I threw it out there and letting you know I'm a bud now you can play cool I got sheets cool boogie I got my shower curtain I got everything on you I let it come to me just let it see you just let that baby dear come to you pull out the double bell that's right got a salt lick hanging over my titty and then at the last minute I just pull that salt lick away and you're licking my titty that's right go play them play them see this could have not happened Kathy if our listeners would have just sent in some fucking questions let this be a lesson to them if we had gotten some questions some interesting emails you would not have to be listening to boogie talk about a deer licking his nipple yeah and that deer being you oh no I'll never be able to get that image I have now that's it we're finishing the show I can't stand this yeah that's the end of show three sixteen thank god thank you to all of you who support us by listening to our show pimping us out to your friends tagging us on fattlife or supporting us on patreon.com forward slash perverted podcast if you'd like to reach out to us for any reason please for the love of God do drop us a line at pervertedpodcast.com where you can reach us through our fattlife profile cleverly entitled perverted podcast and the website is improving on its one page disaster course I've been trying to build a new website turn nado part five but at least the website the one page we have is little more coherent I am working on it slowly but surely it's just been a nightmare I started a new hosting with bluehost or host of dream host because they accept content but then they just wouldn't work and I had to can't I was fucking nightmare but I am trying because I haveOsn . Kathy right ambition new says I don't have ambition.
No I don't have ambition if I had more ambition we'd probably be doing better but you know what we have enough ambition to to get this fucking thing together every single week for you, 316 weeks in a row because we love you, and we will see you for 317, god damn it. Do you think you're the only one to get a blister on your cock? Shut up bitch, no one cares. Do you think you're the only one who has a Nazi prick for a boss?
Shut up bitch, no one cares. It's not that your feelings aren't valid and it's good to open up and share but you can't wind me every fucking minute and expect I'm always eager to be. So your body's falling apart and you think you're going through menopods. Shut up bitch, that's right mom, no one cares.
And you're mad you were 22 when you found out there was no Santa Claus. Oh oh, shut up bitch, no one cares. And then you act surprised when you get a computer virus from downloading in an at-morn. Shut up bitch, you perfect, no one cares.
You won't take off your shirt during sex because you believe your body's ugly and be formed. Shut up bitch, you're worried about you huh fuck off, no one cares. You think you're the only one that has to go through shit? Well you're wrong because we all have shit and you see all these shit and shit.
We all got shit and shit. Amy, what's going on? I totally might lose my job. Me, my boss came over to my desk the other day and he was like, you can't be on Facebook all day.
And I'm like, I'm totally not that I totally am. Oh my god, what if I do lose my job? I mean, I need my job. I have a lot of bills and they cause a lot of men need to pay more and I have a dog and a bird and they depend on me.
I mean they need food to eat things and how many people afford to pay for all these things? How am I going to pay my dog walker? Amy, how am I going to get my hand done? Amy, shut up bitch.
What? No one cares. They don't? Shut up bitch.
That's harsh. No one cares. I guess. Shut up bitch.
Sing it with me. No one cares. Shut up bitch. No one cares.
It feels better. Sarn it. Shut up bitch. No one cares.
Shut up bitch. No one cares. Shut up bitch. No one cares.
Shut up bitch. No one cares. Shut up bitch.