EPISODE · Apr 8, 2026 · 41 MIN
32: Learning to Flourish in a Productivity-Driven World | Bette Dickinson
from Permission Slips · host Jillian DeBritz
"Good vine dressers don't pay much attention to the fruit…they pay attention to the health, the quality, and the vitality of the vine. And if you pay attention to those things, quality fruit will emerge." —Bette DickinsonWhat if your measure of success isn't based on how productive you are, but on your long-term health and flourishing? How can you push back against a culture that over-emphasizes external metrics, and instead tend to your internal well-being? If you are a leader who cares for others, or if you're struggling with burnout yourself, this conversation is for you.Artist and author Bette Dickinson shares about her six-year journey through the vineyard, where she learned firsthand how a real vinedresser cares for the health and sustainable growth of his vines. In 2021, she founded Awakening the Soul, a ministry that creates resources and experiences to awaken the souls of ministry leaders through beauty and wonder.Join us as we talk about things like:The essential role of beauty in our spiritual journey—and in our healingHow embracing our true identity might actually protect us from burnoutThe contrast between value systems that are driven by productivity vs. human flourishing Why seasons of dormancy and pruning are necessary for long-term health and growthThe courage and faith required to prioritize people over productivityPractical steps for leaders who want to shift their organizational cultureResources for those who want to tend to the roots of their own soul RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:The Art of Vinemaking is a movement of spiritual formation rooted in the rhythms of creation. Companioning the book:ONLINE COURSES | GUIDED COHORTS | RETREATSLearn more at www.theartofvinemaking.comOrder the book here: https://www.bettedickinson.com/shop/p/artofvinemakingYou can also connect with Bette on:Substack: https://bettedickinson.substack.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bette_dickinson/ Rare Leadership in the Workplace by Marcus Warner and Jim Wilder - https://a.co/d/0bB0Kezj * * * STAY CONNECTEDConnect with Jillian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jilliandebritz/Want to reach out to Jillian about speaking or coaching? Learn more on her website: https://jilliandebritz.com/Sign up for the monthly Permission Slips email newsletter: https://jilliandebritz.myflodesk.com/subscribeSubscribe to Permission Slips on Substack: https://substack.com/@jilliandebritzBe sure to subscribe to Permission Slips so you never miss an episode, and please share or review this podcast to help others find it!
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