It's time for a SIFT spoil. We are going to take a look at all of the hanging threads, romances, jokes, easter eggs, cameos, deaths, resurrections, and post-credit sequences. If I say anything, it's a spoiler. Oh wait, no, this is a spoiler. Some of them die. About Scream. And that would be the 2022 version of Scream.
which yes absolutely should be yes yeah something else but it's great so let's let's uh let's take a look at it um where do you want do you have anywhere you want to start ian or do you just kind of want to go through um some of the categories let's go straight let's go straight to killing dewey okay yeah he dies yes um i was all right with that but again i don't have much attachment um i it was hard man it was in in all this all this stuff that they say at the end about why they had to kill dewey so this one felt like so it had stakes and it felt real is true. Like, oh, Dewey! It's one of those things. And it really did up the ante a little bit. So yeah, I thought it was a great move. So because he's such a buffoon in 4, and this is probably where I will always miss out on this, I didn't care. I was more interested in him being the killer. I was pleading for him to have gone so off the rails that he ended up being the killer. However...
it is the correct move to not do that because that would recolor even the original. That would, I think, to some extent spoil the original. So I'm glad they didn't. But I don't trust movies to not make that mistake. I think that to be that extreme in the moment and to have the revealing be Sidney or Dewey could almost be too much to resist. But I'm so glad that they did resist it and didn't make any of the original cast of the killers. But the moment I really, really appreciated was when they're all... He shot Ghostface three times and they're all going to the elevator and he's like, I've got to shoot him in the head. I was like, yes, thank you. And there are some moments in this film where...
before you even have a chance to scream at the film and say, please do the thing, they're already saying, I'm going to do the thing, and they do the thing. But at the same point... In that way, it was satisfying. But at the same point... He slowly walks up. Oh, man. Stands way too close. Do you realize guns have a range? Yeah, yeah. So the movie can't, at the same time, it can't escape some of the silliness. Right, sure, sure. I mean, slasher films. They have to do that, you know, because if he acted in that moment how he should have acted, the movie's over. Yeah, probably. You can make that shot from the elevator. Right, yeah. Guns go fast. Yeah, well, you should make that shot in the moment, if we're being honest. Like, you've got the person down, you know, there's nothing about... Three in the chest, two in the head. Do it.
But no, I'm with you there. That just reminded me of something I don't want to forget. So I'm going to mention it now because there are times where I'm not sure if the movie is aware of what it's doing that we're kind of confusing to me. And the one that sticks out to me is right at the end. This is after everything has gone down and she's with her sister. Both of our main girls survive. The sisters survive. And they go to them and they're talking and she's getting ready to go put her in the ambulance. And she says, I'll be right back.
And I don't know if the movie intended that because there's nothing. The movie never happens. Nothing happens. The movie never even gives you any subtle. And so I was like, how do you put that in the script and then not even wink at it? So this movie had a couple of those weird moments where it was like, do you even understand what you're doing? Was it accidental? And that's not a question you want the audience to be asking. You don't want the audience to be like, what was your intention here? If you want the audience to focus on the resolution and calming down, then that's not what we're thinking. We're thinking, oh, no, there's a third killer. And the final girl is dead. Yeah.
Now, the movie is also, in the same way, the movie is also playing with tropes. Like, there's some trolling going on with tropes in this movie, especially behind doors and, you know, shots when they're standing with their back to windows. Oh, man, the run in Sheriff Hick's house, where there is her son, there are five, six, maybe seven instances of... waiting for door open, nothing is behind the door. And even the music follows it and swells and nothing moves on from the moment. And it's one of those jokes that goes on for so long that the joke gets funnier the more it happens. And for me, it really works. It totally works. That's what I was going to say. When I'm aware the movie knows what it's doing, it's working really well. And that is an example of where the movie clearly knows what it's doing. And the subtle way it's using the music differently in each of those moments. Is this going to be the one? It's saying, we know all the tricks. We know all of them and we're going to troll you with all of them here in a row.
Boom, boom, boom. Until if you're not aware of what's going on, you're the one not paying attention. If you moan at us for this, you've missed the point. And that's the difference between this and four, is that four would do that once, and then the next one would be when Ghostface turns up. And I was like, no, you've misdirected me a bit. You're not parodying the thing that you think you are. This, I think, nails it. Another thing I'm thinking about that we talked in the main show, so I'll just go ahead and mention it now. I mentioned that it does something that puts a little bit of a twist on the final girl thing that I did think was a little bit interesting, and I'm still pondering how I feel about it, honestly.
which is we get Billy Loomis in this movie as a father figure in one of the most forced retconned plot points ever to force its retcon on us. The idea that he had a child when he was in high school that is now grown into high school age. When I heard that, it's so retconned and it's so forced that I thought, well, Ghostface is going to be another illegitimate child that Billy had with another high schooler. I was like, man, it makes sense. It's just as ridiculous. How did Billy Loomis...
de-aging work for you. There were moments where I was taken out of it. For the most part, I thought it was fine. Yeah, for the most part, it's fine. I was too busy focusing on, are we redeeming this character? This is my question. That felt icky for me. This is why I'm going here, because I'm still pondering this. Because the movie makes his impact on her life, which is kind of a psychosis that she's dealing with, like he wants her to kill.
So she becomes a final girl that is also a serial, not a serial killer, but just like is- Maybe one bad day removed from being a serial killer. The movie is very clear. She is loving the snot out of giving into that at the end and just going full stabby stabberson on, you know, one of our quote unquote villains. And so I'm sitting here going, that's interesting. That is definitely an interesting twist on the final girl, but I don't know that I like it. I don't, because there's just, there's something off about it. Glorifying about it. And maybe it's setting up a sequel. Maybe it's setting up a sequel where,
you know, she is going to be the killer or something and it's unredeemed or somehow, I don't know, but it didn't feel nuanced enough for me to really struggle with any kind of conundrum. It just felt like, ah, this is cool. Look at her go. And it's like, ah, sure. I feel about that.
Now, what really got to me was the final reflection in the mirror of Billy and almost this moment that they have together where it's like a nod. Exactly. I'm proud of your kid. You did good. No, no, no, no, no. He's a murderer. He killed people. And now he's the mentor. And if that, they're obviously aware of that. But if that's a complex thing that you want me to ponder, I'm not pondering it. It's wrong. It's icky. You said now he's the mentor. You meant de-mentor is what you meant. I absolutely did not mean that. Now, what did make me feel demented was the reveal of the killers. So that was the part you hated. I hated it. So what was it about that?
I thought the murder mystery part was really good. I thought they were perfectly fine suspects. Their motives were great. Right, this is why I disagree. I hate their motives. Making a movie is not motive for killing. I mean, it is in a screen franchise. I mean, that's the main motive every one after the first one. I was well aware that I wasn't going to like the reveal. So where I guessed it would be was the parents. And that's deliberate misdirection, because they obliquely say the mother is out of town, the father is absent. So you are well expecting them to swoop in and be the killers for whatever reason. Yes, I agree.
And that's, I would have been, I don't know, maybe that's mundane enough that I would have been satisfied with it, but anything else, and this is my problem with Scream, is that you spend the whole movie guessing who it's going to be, and people are absent from certain scenes. You're like, oh, it's definitely them, or it could be them, or no, they turned up, but there's two, so it doesn't matter, so it could still be them. And for me, that detracts from being in the mystery and enjoying it. And I still don't think there's enough where I could have guessed it was Jack Quaid and, sorry, I've forgotten the other person. I don't know the character's name was, nope. Amber was the character, Mikey Madison was the actor.
Yeah. And I just, as soon as it's revealed, I was like, okay, cool, fine. Great. But for me on the rewatch, I don't know. I really love Jack Wade's character throughout the film. I loved his little, his commentary on, what's the address? It's one, two, three. No, I'm not going there, haven't you? And for me, like that comic relief is now lost a bit for me now that I know he was in it all along. I don't think you lose that in these movies. I think like you get to be both, right? Don't both things get to be true in a movie like this? They do, but I don't know that I enjoy it. Because there's nothing about a psychotic killer that would eliminate them from being able to act as a, you know, a goofy,
hilarious boyfriend um but uh for me it's when you maybe i judge it too harshly on re-watching but i i want to enjoy the supportive boyfriend and i want him to oh you're just upset you lost a friend that's all yeah you know that's exactly it i can't root for him now i shouldn't root for him now and it just it felt I know he's acting all along because he's trying not to be the killer. But then we have a different character at the end of the movie that is murder-hungry, stabby, wants to kill everything, and is 100% demented. And I'm like, oh, well, I've lost. You're absolutely right. I've lost a character that I enjoyed. And that's exactly what it is. Yeah, I didn't have the same feeling, but I totally understand what you're saying. The other thing I wanted to talk about was the Nev, Campbell, Courtney Cox of it all. I mentioned the final girls empowerment scene, the two of them with Melissa, the Sam character, which, by the way...
Her name now that her dad is Billy Loomis is actually Sam Loomis. Like her name is actually Sam Loomis. Wow. Come on. It's kind of great. And her last name being Carpenter. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Anyhow. But I have I have genuinely enjoyed the names in this. They're just they're just interesting. Interestingly fake enough that you're like it's almost a tribute. But, you know, but it keeps. Yeah.
I went to the window. Yeah, exactly. So anyhow, I wanted to talk about the two of them and their role in this because the movie seems very interested in just making them as badass as possible. Just like, you know, like we're just going to come in here and just be and it doesn't really give them either of them. I think any kind of.
nuance other than just they're so weathered from having been through this so much that they're just not taking anything from anybody. I like it. It makes total sense to me. They are tired of being in four movies. They don't want to be in this fifth one. And they're basically not. The motivation for Sydney coming to town makes sense to me. Her want to help since she's there makes sense. Gail turning up is fine. Dewey was a bit ropey on why he would get involved.
But I love the acknowledgement of like, yeah, I've been stabbed nine times. I have permanent nerve damage. Why would I go through this again? Yeah, you're right. Why would you? But no, they were used. They were used just enough for Courtney Cox's acting to not be a problem. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. It's also the Dewey thing we did mention is also so key to even the believability that Sidney would come to town at all. True. Yeah, correct. So, yeah, that's kind of played a double role there. Another scene I will bring out, a very specific scene with one of my favorite characters, the Meeks twins, specifically Mindy, Jasmine Savoy Brown, playing this, was the...
her watching a staff movie where screen perception. Yes. Yes. Where it's like, look behind you. No, you look behind you. And then the audience is also, no, you look behind you. And she hears us. I mean, I know she doesn't hear the movie. She hears us. What she's hearing is her own understanding of, cause she is our nerd character in this one more than anybody else. Yeah. She's the Randy in this one. Uh, and it's his knee or would have been his niece if he was still alive. Um, and she definitely plays that role really, really well. She may be my favorite character in the movie. I like Jack Wade, but I like that Mindy Meeks character was a lot of fun to me.
it was just that it was dialed in enough wasn't it like she not to be because the expert is always frustrating because they're the ones that die even though they have the most knowledge and that scene is so perfect because she says those words she's like you're the expert you know better than this and then she's like oh wait that's me oh no it's great man i really hope she's aware of this and she is and it's just so many layers of she's watching the film he's watching a film the person in the film that he's watching is watching something it is so it on paper could be cheesy but it is executed so so well and i think it's genius that she doesn't die yeah like it's after all that the expert does survive i think they're really smart about the characters that survive this film which is most of them honestly I mean, you've basically just got the Wes character, which honestly is a tribute to Wes Craven, that they named him Wes. And there's even like the party scene in this movie is like a celebration of Wes. And they even say something like, you know, this is for you, Wes, or something like you can just tell they're really enjoying, you know, honoring Wes Craven with that character. But that of the friends, am I missing someone? That's the only friend that actually dies. No, you've got the sheriff in the sun. And then the crazy Vince killing, which is just related because he's related to somebody from the first killings, right? The bar killing I'm talking about.
Yeah. He was Billy's. He was Stu's son. Yeah. Something like that. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I think the other killer from the first film. And other nephew, something like that. Other than our killers. Those are the only deaths in this, which is, you know. Yeah. Interesting. Which is interesting. They let everybody survive. Oh, and Dewey. Sorry. Yeah. And some cops. Yeah.
Yes, yes. Yes, the Dewey killing probably being the big one that we should mention. But yeah, so they basically kill off the Hicks family and then leave everybody else intact for a sequel, which I totally understand. And in this case, they can do that, and it's kind of putting the trope on its head a little bit. Especially if they make a decent one, because if they want to follow the rules and go by Halloween kills, they need to make a terrible next film in order to carry this on. And it all needs to take place the night after this happens. Yes, yeah, exactly. Which maybe that is what happened. Oh man, who knows.
Man, I didn't like Amber's revival. And it's a resurrection. It is a full-blown resurrection. Who put her out? How does she run back in and do it? I don't know if it should bug me that much, but it took me right out of the film. Yeah. Yeah. She died. She was on fire. Why did they put her out? And she just burnt down. And then she came back to consciousness, you know.
Yes, as one does. The other big kind of twist question mark is that the goal of the Richie character and the Amber character is to get the Sam character to doubt her sister and to think that her sister is in on it. Tara is in on it. And they so the big twist is we see this moment where she has second thoughts about setting her sister free. And then, of course, when Richie's like, we even got you to doubt your sister. She's like, no, actually, I cut her loose. And she's not enough for whatever reason. Wait until this moment to show herself in the situation as opposed to being healthy before. Yeah. Wait until the entire plan is explained and everybody could possibly be right. Yeah. You're never going to escape that with these kind of movies. These kind of movies will always have forced exposition, forced plot movement, forced twists. These are these are the things that honestly make movies what movies are like. That's why I forget about a lot of the stuff like exposition and those kind of things. It's actually, if used well, an important part of, you know, turning a story into a movie.
Narration can help. Anything else you wanted to mention about this? There was one more thing. It's escaped me. I think it was something. Oh, no, it was just my favorite line in the film was Jack Wade in the hut. Hey, am I supposed to take this from much creepier Sam? Yeah. He was so close to saying discount Sam Elliott. Sam Elliott. That's it. I was begging him to say it. I was like, wow, he would be flipping fantastic.
The thing that we do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was those kind of moments where with what we do with CinemaSins, we were just like, are you winking at us? I'm not saying you are, but you know, it is literally what we would say about this. So yeah, it's not like we're the only ones. Maybe not like we're the first ones to have said it, but you know, you're doing something here. Come on.
I know some of the cast of Halloween is in on it, so... I mean, if there was a franchise that would literally reference us, I would think, like, like, put it in their movie, like, if there was a YouTube channel that, you know, made fun of the Stab movies for all the inconsistencies or whatever, like, it would be this franchise. If Scream 6 is based on our videos taking down the Stab, the Scream franchise, man, flipping heck. Yeah, it would have to be, like, Film Flaws or, you know, something like that. And it'd be like a bell would ring after everyone would be like dong instead of ding or something. A massive siren. Anyhow, there you go. There are, I think that's pretty much everything we want to talk about. I mean, there are little bits and pieces scenes here that we can mention. Speaking of, you know, cinema city kind of things, like the fact that the hotel or hotel, the hospital just empties out, apparently. It's not just like that entire floor. Yeah. It's not like just the guard leaves. It's like the whole place is dark and empty, except for like, I feel like I missed something there. Like I felt that as well. Yeah. Like there's one guard that's been killed. Right. Where is everyone else? And if they evacuate because of that, where was the noise? Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, you have an omnipotent killer that can control the fabric of time and space. Right, yeah. Sorry, the height of Amanda. It's the same problem that was in Scream 4. We know that... Did I say Amber? You said Amanda. Sorry. Amber, we know that Amber kills Dewey because she says it was a pleasure. And no, she's a good foot taller than Dewey. That makes no sense at all. It's stilts, man. It's stilts. Show us the stilts. Hashtag show us the stilts. That's what we're getting going on. That's what to take away from this movie. Hashtag show us the stilts.
Yeah, I think that's it. I think we're good. Thank you for checking it out. Thank you for listening. We love having these conversations with you guys. We'll be back on a sip spoil next time we need to spoil something. We'll see you then. Bye. Whoop. Whoop. Whoop.