#327 Gregg Braden x Robert Edward Grant – Are Humans the Technology We’ve Been Trying to Build?

In this landmark interview, Emilio Ortiz brings together Gregg Braden and Robert Edward Grant for a rare conversation about one of the defining questions of our time: what is humanity becoming, and who gets to decide? Together they explore humanity’s forgotten past, consciousness, ancient wisdom, disclosure, non-human intelligence, simulation theory, and how different perspectives may reveal part of a larger truth. Robert shares his experiences with extraterrestrial intelligence and his belief that mathematics may be a universal language, while Gregg explores how disclosure could reshape our understanding of human history and place in the cosmos. ✦ Join Emilio's Private Community – The Deep Dive Membership | ⁠https://iamemilioortiz.com/the-deep-dive/⁠ At the heart of the interview is a discussion around AI, human sovereignty, silicon technology, biology, & 2030. Gregg argues that humans possess biological capacities technology is only beginning to imitate, while Robert rejects transhumanism and proposes that AI may function as a temporary mirror that helps humanity rediscover intuition. They examine implants, carbon versus silicon, the human heart, DNA, morphogenetic fields, ancient texts, AI and disclosure, and Gregg’s view that humanity may be approaching the end of a cosmic cycle. Ultimately, Emilio Gregg and Robert arrive at a hopeful convergence: the future is not simply happening to us, but something we create through love, compassion, sovereignty, creativity, and remembering what it means to be human. ___________________ PODCAST CHAPTERS 00:00 – Gregg Braden x Robert Grant Intro 01:11 - What Is Humanity Being Asked to Understand Right Now? 20:36 - AI Is Changing What It Means to Be Human 26:51 - Disclosure Could Force Humanity to Rewrite Its History 29:16 - The Catholic Church, Extraterrestrial Life & Simulation Theory 33:59 - Robert’s Extraterrestrial Experiences Since Childhood 36:46 - Arcturians, Divinity & the Spiritual Nature of the Universe 41:35 - Did Humanity Just Create Its Own Golem With AI? 48:45 - Are Humans the Technology We’ve Been Trying to Build? 52:23 - Robert: “I Am Not a Transhumanist” 57:09 - Could AI Ever Become Truly Conscious? 01:04:16 - Dolores Cannon’s Split Worlds, AI & Humanity’s Choice 01:11:59 - The Choice Between Human Sovereignty & Transhumanism 01:20:55 - Do Galaxies Correspond to Elements in the Periodic Table? 01:26:13 - Carbon vs. Silicon: Two Very Different Forms of Intelligence 01:30:01 - Did Future Humans Come Back to Warn Us About AI? 01:38:13 - The Sacred Geometry Hidden Inside Human DNA 01:39:15 - Evidence for Multi-Strand Human DNA? 01:45:31 - We Are Already Building the New World 01:51:30 - The Questions They Want to Ask Each Other Next 01:52:35 - What Is the “New Human”? 01:54:05 - Becoming the Best Version of Ourselves ___________________ Guest: Gregg Braden | Author of "Pure Human" & World Renowned Speaker ✦ Website | https://greggbraden.com/ ✦ Gregg's Live Events | https://greggbraden.com/events/ ✦ Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/Gregg.Braden Guest: Robert Edward Grant, Polymath ✦ Website | https://robertedwardgrant.com/ ✦ Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/robertedwardgrant/ ✦ Sign Up Orion Messenger App | https://orionarchitect.io/ Host: Emilio Ortiz ✦ IG | https://www.instagram.com/iamemilioortiz/ ✦ Subscribe to Channel | https://www.youtube.com/EmilioOrtiz Special Offerings to Support the Show: ✦ Make a One-Time or Recurring Donation on PayPal 👉 https://paypal.me/iamemilioortiz?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US ___________________ © 2026 Emilio Ortiz. All rights reserved. Content from Just Tap In Podcast is protected under copyright law. Legal Disclaimer: The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed by guests on Just Tap In are solely those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of Emilio Ortiz or the Just Tap In Podcast. All content is for informational purposes only and should not be considered professional advice.