See, Kathy, because I was excited, I tried to get you on an hour early. See, you're always excited because you're just a big dumb man, and men are usually just excited about something. It's usually sex. You're funny, you should say that, kind of.
Kind of. That's what I'm excited about. But now we're here at the right time. I know I told you an hour later and then called you an hour early and like, where are you?
I'm in the library. And you're like, asshole, you said seven, not six. And I'm like, well, I'm excited. I'm excited.
We did things. We did things. That wasn't a second. Let's start the show.
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I'm homer enough to. Scared that your desires might be strange. I'm Now that the weather has cooled down, I think I want to move back to Starbucks and do the show from there So I can get a little louder and scream at people. I'm a screaming at people Which you can't do in the library where you're at right now?
Well, you can but it might end in the police being called We don't want that. No, no, no, no, no, but uh, so Kathy I know why you're excited. I'll say by the way that you're gonna spring something on We're gonna spring something on the listeners that they're not expecting Well, they were expecting it because we said that last week we were gonna do something and they don't know what you did No, they don't that we actually went You showed up that was that was a big deal for me Second of all you did so I didn't think you were gonna do that because I thought oh, you know But he's just gonna have to get his feet wet. He's gonna take things so nope didn't turn out that way at all No, it was well Let's start so far listeners that knew obviously with everything shutting down and all the shit We went through it threshold and not going there for a long time and getting over feelings and things like that threshold is still open they're bumbling along and And Kathy got a group of people together and she's like we're going we're gonna go and you know There's a few people there that maybe we don't get along with and had problems with but that is in the past And there's a lot of great people that are there and the club is open and they're doing a good job keeping it running So let's go and do this and and use our party passes that we spent 12 years earning and and go and be kinky people So you got there first so I did I was just a group of friends I've started to realize how much that due to the pandemic due to other issues in my life I missed my friends and the group of people that I enjoy spending time with was a huge part of my past And that has just started to fade away with you know a few sporadic instances here and there So I was very happy to see my friends there to see a couple of people that I had forgotten all about and we had an absolutely wonderful time Sitting down and socializing I mean none of us at any intention to play we were all gonna go and just get used to being around kinky people and talking without having to censor ourselves and by Golly, that's what we did it was amazing and of course It was a it was kind of surreal that you were in the way back and all of a sudden I guess they had adapted the love lab that I used to live in And they opened those doors and took over that room and made it like a quiet room with a lot of couches and stuff Ease and stuff like that of course we weren't that quiet, but it was not really hot outside So yeah, it was like this really nice lounge and and I walk in there and like all the people that know me like my Michelle and popular Mone and you you're just looking at my face because like I lived in that room for like three years and To see that transformed movie we were we were concerned frankly We were like god I wonder how boogie is gonna take this to see the love lab we lament the loss of the love lab It was a great time for you and they had transformed it into a really cool swanky lounge It was nice to have someplace else to you know relax and socialize in but none of us knew how you were gonna react And I you know I don't give a shit, you know I had Kathy.
I have had so many homes So many homes I don't think I've ever stayed in one place more than a year or two and I'm 53 So that's just a couple dozen different time I move up plus the all the time in the car and I'm always moving So when I see a place that I used to live it's maybe a little bit different than it is for people who have a lot of nesting And you know like oh, that's the house I grew up in as a child and you know We didn't move until I went to college kind of thing, you know And then they go back and cry on the porch and some old lady kicks them off or calls the police or squirts them with the hose Get off my I grow up here. I don't I don't have that. Oh my god. Who does that?
Well, I mean some people get really nostalgic and sentimental for things like when places I never do ever ever ever No, you don't you're lying you're totally lying So lying I thought we were bros for a second. No, once again, no once again No, but yeah So when I saw it I mean it was a little weird because I'm like oh Jesus Here's where we did anal hook pole and and here's where leaf blower versus vagina went down and here's where about 700 insertions of my penis Into amazing people happen and so it was nice to remember You know the great things that I did there and maybe it was a little sad You know that I don't have that kind of place anymore, but I've never been about the place You know I'm about the experiences So if I can get a box that size Somewhere else that will be the love lab and I will be completely satisfied there and never think of that box again Does that make sense? So you're just basically gonna go from box to box. That's how you say that.
Yeah, and that's fine That's absolutely fine. Like the home is where the heartiest thing I know it sounds really cliche, but I'm really I mean I was technically the whole issue with the threshold drama is I'm We were about the people and keeping the mission and things going and some people were about the box and right I think for you home is where the vagina is. Yeah, yeah, that is true. I'm for that's a vagina is pretty homey and So I showed up and it was really nice being there and seeing some people and They had done a couple changes some little changes But you know still pretty much I mean they didn't change any of the floor plan or add any walls or anything like that other than the love lab So it was it was familiar a lot of different people which happens, you know if you go away from me for a year Then it's gonna be all different people except maybe a handful I mean that's just the way a dungeon works, you know So you get to know the new people, but if you're there then it doesn't you don't really notice that people go away They get other jobs.
They you know move they get into relationships They get in bad relationships They you know There's a lot of reasons why people come and go in a dungeon and there's usually only a handful of people that are just fixtures there That just stay for years and years and most people kind of flow in and out So there was a lot of new people there, but there was some people there and then of course the group that you brought I knew all of those people and it was actually it was really cool and I was really happy that you badgered me The words I'll never hear again. I was really happy you badgered me. Yeah, probably not probably won't happen again But it happens now so I was really happy because you did you like you better shell out and I'm there And I'm like whatever fine, and I had to get dressed in my car. It was cool I felt like a high school check, you know like pulling up my pants in the car and I'm like oh these jeans fit So good I'm so happy and you know put on my makeup and you know stuff like that and I'm some press on nails brother No, I didn't do that because those are expensive so yeah, that's why you didn't put on them press on nails because I prefer acrylics Kathy they just know right they stay on better.
They don't ship and oh when you just run them down a boys back It just they love it. That's so you honey. It's so you me pumpkin. I am I am just a diva So I my whole intention of course I brought a little toy bag, you know some stuff in it But I'm like now and I'm just going and doing my thing because to be honest and I've talked about it on the show You know I've gained a lot of weight and you know my living situation and just kind of being beaten down a moment emotionally going through a lot of changes inside existentially psychologically There's some confidence issues, you know and so the more confident I am the more I'm like boogie You know so so I kind of just laid back and I'm like, you know what?
I just you know I feel super confident, but whatever, you know, it's it's me so whatever and it took what like 25 minutes tops of me being there and and so of course I'm looking and it's it's just exciting to be back and seeing butts and boobies and people playing and Going okay, I kind of remember this and but I was still a little hazy and then and then I saw her Kathy Oh, here we go actually some but I we don't have a name that we can use for her on the show But our one friend she's like hey this girl's been walking around in like nobody's talking to her and I'm like what an animal Straight from the herd what it's like it's like one line pointing out to another. There's a gazelle limping over there And I'm like oh no no no that's not cool Which was the exact ship that used to happen back when I was there, you know It's like here's this beautiful girl walking around and she's kind of like you know I'm just gonna look at these pictures on the wall a little bit of a nice somebody the fucking nuts act I talked to me and I just literally was like it was like surreal Kathy. There was a part of me That's like no, you know, you know, and then all of a sudden the inner predator count bookies like hey Why don't you go be a little bitch over there and I'm gonna go handle a conversation right now? So you like it padded that little you know insecure part of me on the head and just went go straight to the Woman so what you're saying is that you have multiple personalities?
Well, yeah, and a predator came out that night You didn't know that and and so yeah, so I went and you know one of my masterful tricks And she's probably listening right now So it'll be funny for her to see but I'll give my little insight scoop because I am Not the prettiest and big and you know and people are new and it feels awkward I don't want to just come up and breathe on someone and be like hi, how you doing? You want to play do you want to touch my wiener? So instead because I've you know I've learned some little things I'll just kind of be in the proximity and I'll like throw out a little comment like a little hello in the hallway or a little passing thing Like there was all these pictures in in the in the hallway with feet all over them And there's a lot of fucking feet, you know, there's lots of feet in the hallway I don't know who they are to decorate that place, but they like me like they can love feet So so I made like a little joke about the feet and she kind of you know gave a little smile response And then you know she's like well, I don't have any feet And so it was like a funny little moment and then I let her kind of walk away So there I knew she would you know because if you make a little thing and a woman looks back at you and she's like, you know Well, then that's body language to just stay the fuck back if she didn't bite But you know, but she laughs so at least I know I can go up and say hi and you know Maybe introduce myself and ask them, you know if they have any questions about whatever like, you know, do you like anal sex? Would you like me to fuck you in the ass now?
Do you want to do anal hook pull? You know all of those things that you just do in a first conversation right right? So and that's what I did I just went and so I said what's your story and she was super cool Kathy She was really cool and of course it was mysterious because we're both wearing masks and And just so we just started talking and found some things in common and after like five 10 minutes I'm like, hey, do you want to go into the other side into the old love lab where it's you know Where I feel comfortable being a predator and because I did it for years and we went and sat on the couch And we just talked about some things and and it was once again It's just you allow an adult to be an adult and I don't know so many people have a problem with this that Tell you boogie what that you just you said earlier You know that you made a kind of funny joke about what a creepy creepy guy would sound like You know just drooling all over some girl and it turns them off right? I mean sure everybody knows that it turns them off But very few men out there first of all even know that there's a sweet spot or do the work to find the sweet spot And that sweet spot is letting a woman know that you desire her without coming off as a creep Not an easy thing to do and people like you and your sharks your shark club your ethical predators club Yes, have honed your skills in finding the sweet spot Well, let me I'll give away the tip because I don't have a problem With giving away the tips because then you have to learn more things The tip is Treat the person like a fucking person and not assume that there is one sweet spot that everyone has your things If you approach in most situations in the dungeon, I'm not saying in the market or at the gym.
That's a whole different ballgame I don't even touch that world. I don't talk to women in public. I don't care there are 99 90% vanilla. I don't want a piece of it So I will go first off to a place where I know that if you've come in the door You're probably not there for a pottery making class Nobody has ever walked into that dungeon and asked me where's the kiln?
I'm looking for the throwing wheel They're there to either explore kink be kinky or you know educate themselves or they're there to support somebody else But there's not that many reasons and most of it is they want to have an experience now whether or not they want to have an experience with me It's that's that's the thing you have to have a conversation to find out But once you're inside as long as you just approach with a hello I mean, it's so simple. I try to tell guys all the time It's not hard to talk to a woman and not be creepy. You can just say hi I'm boogie or whatever your name is and How are you doing? Are you are you experienced in the lifestyle?
What you know what types of things are you interested in have like a fucking human have a conversation and what what is this? Speak to a woman like she's a human being. Are you insane? Yeah, I guess so Because literally I mean so the way or and I'll get to the good stuff because that's what everyone cares about They don't care about my fucking game.
I don't care about can't play the game But I really would like Mormon to learn it because she literally walked around for an hour And like and she's really pretty she's sexy She's I mean, she's she's not nothing to worry about and she's like I walked around for an hour And then no one was really talking to me So she had to go and get a name tag and she said maybe that'll make someone talk and I'm like are you fucking kidding me I know she was very cute and she had a black lacy outfit on and I get it But I have to tell you that I did watch her walk around nobody approached her But she didn't approach anyone else either I get that it's hard to do But it sucks that had you not come up to her Her not you know coming up to anyone else would have meant she had a terrible night That's another lesson to learn it is a lesson to learn and of course if you are interested in being on the bottom side Then of course, um if you're looking for now, there's two things I'll say about this Kathy If you are looking for play and you are a bottom I think it is a perfectly acceptable expectation that you are the prey And the dom needs to dom the fuck up and go and seek you because that's what predator prey is There is a predator and a prey so of course, I mean if you're really strong and confident sure you can approach dominance and and say hey I'm you know I watched you play and it's really interesting. Could you try some of those things to me? But in general, it's not quite as fun If you have to be the predator to get someone to prey on you grow some fucking balls and fucking go talk to people Screaming in the library again. Goddamn it about growing some fucking balls.
I did the same thing when I talked up fluffy So anyway, so the good stuff is now I thought I've bitched about people and and that they should grow So I basically we talked a little bit we found some common ground I said oh those are are you interested in these things and she said yes So I said are you interested in playing that way? She said yes I said are you interested in doing that with me? And as an adult she was able to make a educated decision about her own sexuality and say yes Ex-coking crazy get the eye now It's just through my mind how that works I know you would think that you would think that the way people don't understand it that it's the mystery of the ages when really it's not No, it's just not and so I said great. Would you like to do that now?
She said yeah, I said let's go get a room and we went and got a room talked to the dungeon mind Which was wait wait wait you're bearing the lead at least from my perspective We're in the patio me and my friends and we're yapping up a storm and laughing and having a good time And we see you and her get up and walk and go through the door the main room and just before the door close behind you You stop you turn around you look at us and the look on your face. It was like I'm going in It was surreal and I'll get to the surreal part a little bit So I do the things now then you know I went and visited new and then played with me and her friend you know a month or so ago a couple months ago And so that was really good But that was like private play inside and then I did the fire play and the things like that and that was good But this was now you're playing in a dungeon and there are certain protocols and logistics and timing That really takes a while to learn because you only get an hour in that room And in that you have to negotiate you have to set up your scene you have to get your Partner in hopefully a pretty good headspace You have to start executing the things that you want to execute and then you have to bring them down do a little aftercare depending on how much they need Get them dressed clean up and get the fuck out three minutes before the hour so the next people can come in And that takes a long time To kind of get a rhythm of that and not have it look super clunky So there was a part of my brain that was literally just a mathematician You know we have big clocks. I bought those clocks on eBay or at the I don't know wherever at Walmart So I watched those clocks and okay, I got 13 minutes of this and then I can add you know another 12 of this So it was great. We went in I talked to the DM The DM said you know, you know, you know what you're doing.
Yes, blah blah blah blah because I wasn't familiar with this DM The DM did the right thing turned to her and said, you know what your safe words are and she said, yes You know red is is is stop and then you know if she uses yellow then that means slow down And so the dungeon monitor was satisfied with that signed us in walked away We went in and now it was time to negotiate So I pulled out my toys and it was funny You know after I wiped away all the moths and cobwebs that came out of my toy bag It was a little embarrassing because it's like a whole cloud of old smoke because it's been so long since I played it at dungeon So that was a joke you're supposed to laugh Tough crowd tough ground the library Burbank library today So I lay out the toys we pick the toys that she likes and then the ones that she's maybe a little hesitant to have so move those over to there and then She saw the hitachi that I had and she's like, huh? And so I said, okay now that we've talked about the toys what you know What parts of you are okay to touch and what parts are not okay to touch and she said I'm good Just if you're you know going to put fingers inside of me Go wash your hands, which I thought was a very reasonable and responsible request and I didn't I didn't promise that so the stage was set and Put her on the cross And I got to tell you it was lovely There was a part of me that was like this is a really cool woman And her responses were wonderful And just to be against that cross and start running my hands down her back And just those little warm-up spankings and feeling that flesh in my hands and hearing the noises of a dungeon And the taste of the air in the dungeon And just being in that moment where my entire focus was now this individual That's going to give me all this new information that I'm supposed to then interpret and hopefully turn into Great sensations. It was like watching a movie because there was a part of me that's like, uh, am I playing? What the fuck's going on here?
It was like you're like these aren't my hands. I swear to god, Kathy There's a part where I like looked at my hands like I'm neo and a fucking matrix or something And I'm like whoa dude. This is this is cool Ted and so Is that a combination of kind of It's you know, I've watched Keanu for a lot of his career He had many great quotes that fit this moment So it was really wonderful and it was sexy and the masks were on and so it was funny because I'm like is it okay if I mask By you and then I start gnawing her with the mask Which is like sticking in my face and we start laughing because it was totally not sexy, but it was very cute and funny And then we just had a really, you know, it was our first scene So obviously you're not gonna hit major home runs and change the world But it was just lovely and she was wonderfully responsive and she had never been two-handed vlog And just the reaction like I don't think I've seen a reaction to a first time, you know feeling that And she just her back just went huh and then she went oh It's a very interesting sensation Yeah, like but it was a total welcoming like oh and I'm like do you like that she's like And I'm like, okay. Well, that's good because I like doing that Look at that look at that symbiotic relationship And then of course the play and the grabbing and and there was some jokes and and and it was a very wonderful You know the first half and then of course because she had said that she liked the hottachi I'm like well, you know, she's been very very good.
She's been a very good girl. She's a good girl She deserves a reward. She deserves a reward. So had a little trouble navigating clearing the table I'm like wait a minute.
How did I do this before? Just gonna throw shit over here. This isn't gonna be pretty So I did and put her down and then you know, we did you know some little sexy plays along with some massaji stuff and And her responses were obviously very lovely for that and she has a great vagina Ah, just a great vagina. I told her too.
I know that might have been a weird compliment. Did you use the word vagina? I did I said you got great vagina. She starts laughing and then later I told her again with me the joke And she's like thank my mom.
I go can I send her an email? Oh my god, boogie dare misses this woman's mom. Thank you so good jeans Go job. Go mom.
Good job giving your daughter a good. That's fucking great. Oh for heaven's sake So So, you know, we had a nice time and and then brought it down and then of course doing all the math Okay, because you know, my job is to be the crazy person with all the math But she's not supposed to know it so she can just relax and then I gently pull her, you know off the table Okay, we're gonna get dressed and whatever in my mind. I've got three minutes I've got to clean and I got how long is I gonna sit on the cross and you know stuff like that?
But I'm just acting real cool. Okay, let's move and smooth So did pretty good got the got out of the room on time and she was like, hey, I want to go walk around now Here's the trick Kathy. This is this is this is game. I'm gonna tell me to give away another secret to men Okay, it doesn't matter that you know the secrets by the way because they won't be listening to you Probably not well, I'll just you know there years just shut whenever something no no no I talked to a lot of guys and I did have an I didn't talk about it But I had a great conversation for a half hour with a new guy that was there and he was brand brand new and it was so good to see it Cuz he was so open to consent and learning about his partners and reading body language and intention and all the you know the speech that we give to all the new people And that was real cool.
So but she said hey, I want to walk around now then the game is don't assume that that means she wants to Just be yours for the rest of the night. Uh-huh, you know that she just now all of a sudden you're married. She's brand new She's experiencing things and so I just said do you want me to you know by yourself? She said yeah, okay, well I'll be in the back and she did she went away for you know a while and looked around and did did whatever things that she did and explored And we all hung out kind of in the back and then I decompressed myself because I was like what the fuck just happened So what you're saying is no went to back off Yeah, no one to back off and then of course it was it was a very lovely surprise She didn't come in fine about an hour later and then we had another really nice conversation and then I found out stuff about her That funny enough.
Uh, I won't give away like things. She doesn't work or whatever But let's just say she falls right in line with the Sciencey, you know nerdy, you know, you win the nerdy girl. Yeah, that's uh, you know She has she has some skills about the you know sciencey biological things, which apparently is my thing and I'm like really that's funny That's so funny. Like I never knew I had a thing So uh, so there is a the big story and then of course the next day it was well I missed the last part which was actually kind of sappy for me But just it was nice.
So I'm like, okay Well, let me walk you to your car because of course there's no parking now So you have to walk seven miles to a car and I actually drove her down the street In my car and then went to her car, you know, because it's like one in the morning There's a lot of homeless and you know, it's creepy stuff and then Put her in her car before she gets in her car. She's like, hey, I had a really nice time and I'm like that was that was pretty cool You know, of course in my my head. I'm like, what are you talking about? That was fucking awesome You're like trying to play it cool.
Oh, of course. Yeah, it was pretty cool. I was glad glad you had a good time It was cool little finger gun and uh, and then oh, I didn't tell you the part before because we never saw each other's faces Right the entire time just had this great scene and at the end I'm like, it's like the big reveal time She's like oh my god, you were kind of nervous and it was so sweet and I'm like, can I take your mask off? Oh my goodness And and she's like, uh, okay And I just like peeled it down and it revealed she had this pretty just wonderfully cute face with these beautiful cheeks and this big smile And I was like, oh my god, you're adorable and she's like, ah, I mean it was like all you know awkward funny, you know, teenage shit And then I'm like, well, it's time for you to see fucking cow man And she's like oh, you're cute.
I can't see Oh, she did not do that. You're just making that up Is it when a woman like does like this shoulder quick quick thing like she's coughing up a hairball? That means she thinks i'm sexy, right? That You're making it sound like she was dry eating.
Yeah, that's what it looked like. That's that's that's good, right? Oh my god Okay, well after she wipes some some spit off her mountain. She put her mask on.
She's like, no, no, no I like the mystery put your mask back on and I'm like, okay, that's cool But at the end of the night put her in her car and uh, and then uh Before she got in the car, I said, well, I'm going in Going in and she was receptive and just gave her this really nice little kiss no tongue Just a nice little kiss and it felt really nice and then she drove away And you never heard from her again? She was smart, but no the next day I went to go stand by the airport with a diet coke and I just stood there and I'm like, how do you what just happened? It was strange. You had a one in the morning coke fueled existential little Crisis there.
Yeah, I don't think it was a crisis. I think it was just nice It was like I felt certain things circulating, which was nice and then you guys uh exchange each other's pet names, right? Yeah, no, we got numbers. She took my phone and you know, obviously she knows how to use that and so uh, the next day youngin She's I don't yeah, she's really younger than me so uh The next day we talked and made a really nice conversation and then there's been some texts and back and forth and so Uh, you know, so yeah, we talked about about five six times this week just in text a little text and then I said hey I'm gonna be talking about you tonight on the show I go do you want a special name and she's whatever so she gave me one name and she's all well, you know, you can pick one And I go well, but something cute and so she's like well, I like being called kitten And I'm like we haven't had a kitten on the show, but you don't just get a name on perverted podcast.
That's true You know, there's there's earn it like my horrible names that you've given me over the years. I've earned every one of them That's right Years have been more of like psychological trauma, but the other girls have had to actually do things with their vaginas and asses So, uh, I said, you know, you're gonna have to do some things to become part of perverted podcast folklore And she said well, I do like a challenge So I said, all right talk is cheap. We'll just have to see how that progresses So now I've taken up the entire first half of the show babbling about a place scene I think that's our show ladies and gentlemen. Look as long as it has been Since we've gone to a dungeon.
Yeah, I don't really have a problem Babbling about it like this because it may not be this this conversation for a little while longer So we have one from a listener called quite shy one, which is absolutely an adorable name. I love that It is She's wrote to us, um about a past episode that we did she says hi boogie and Kathy listening to this week's episode with the kinks Through who had to censor themselves at work really hit a chord with me I am polyamorous and I have three wonderful partners and I just know jacked her from an above you She's got three fucking partners. Don't hate I'm trying not to hate but man. She's lucky It's not jealously it's and I that's true.
I am envious of her. I just says I am polyamorous and have three wonderful partners However, I am not out to my family whenever I discuss my other partners. I have to call them friends and make adjustments accordingly I know this is partially my issue as I can be very conflict-averse even more so when it's my family and I do not want to lose those relationships But there are times where I wish I could be completely open and honest with everyone despite the discomfort this would cause My partners understand my situation and one of them is in the same position as I am I would like to be who I am more openly but have chosen not to due to the potential consequences Listening to this week's episode made me feel less alone even though our situations are different Thank you both for the show. You are always entertaining and informative and I look forward to listening to each episode Well, it was very nice.
It was very nice and very sad. It was just an incredible thing I actually talked to Unger for like an hour last night and he's good. Yeah, I'm gonna. Yeah, he's coming on the show next week And he's actually considering doing uh, I don't want to let the cat out of them.
I'm going to fuck him. Um, well He's considering some sort of maybe a podcast or something like that Yay, about this very topic like having almost the entire show be about People who have to deal with a hidden life and how to navigate that in all their situations And then of course, you know talking to different people like this listener who just emailed us about their situation how they dealt with it How to you know not feel alone because there's so many of us that have to make those kind of characters Like we're not kinky to our friends and family and co-workers and things like that. So uh, so I mean it's a it's a much bigger Issue to a lot more people than I think we would think Yes, absolutely. I mean, I think everybody has something they were very few people who don't who are completely out Don't care at all about what anybody thinks there's always because this end is true of anything You everybody knows that most of us are sexual beings, but that doesn't mean you run around telling everybody Uh what position you had sex in last night.
There are things that we just keep to ourselves But it's more difficult when the very thing you're trying to keep yourself is something that should be It should be okay to say I have more than one partner. Yeah, absolutely. I mean and it really Like you don't have it's just like you have age appropriate conversations with a kid You have non-kink appropriate conversations and non-poly appropriate conversations with your friends and family that aren't into those lifestyles But you should still be able to be honest about who you are And especially when you're talking about poly because that's well We'd get in a whole another 10,000 topics that we've talked about with the same thing But but it is it is good To understand that you're not alone in this and surely the more people that you can commiserate with and connect with to understand that this is a normal Part of being kinky. I think it kind of lessens Lessons the blow a lot of the time right?
No, absolutely and I'm glad that we've got I don't know offered a platform Where these two people who don't even know each other can gain some You know comfort from one another knowing that you're not alone That's a great feeling by the way to know that you're not alone It it lessens whatever anxiety or stress or grief you're going through to know that somebody else understands your pain And that also gives you hope that you're going to find answers that endpoint of use that maybe you didn't think of before Oh, yeah, absolutely The amount of people who emailed me when I was going through my breakup and said I know exactly how you're feeling And I got through it those words are like magic because you really do think there's something wrong with you or that you can't figure it out No matter what dilemma you're going through you think that other people somehow have a handle on things that you don't and are Listener who just run into it is no different and then to suddenly hear that other struggle with the same thing and they found a way to get through it Like you say gives you hope absolutely That's why we do the show Hope Because we are away a minute. Yeah Yeah, I'm here. Oh my gosh you sound so so sweet see it's deceptive Let me ask you a question. Are you fluffy because you like fluffy stuff or or what?
I'm fluffy because I needed a name that when somebody typed into search engine It would come up before two things and not necessarily me. Okay. All right fair enough It's actually very very clever because my other thought was You're just a serial killer that gets off on emotionally disarming your victims before you chop off their bar you parts and eat it in front of them while they're still alive Oh, we can find it's during the week. All right fine.
That's good But what's exciting is you took the plunge and you're here with us today and I know our listeners are going to be very excited to hear from you And some of your stories you filled out the little questionnaire that we have for listeners that asks you some questions about you and your experiences And they email us you email us at pervertedpodcast at gmail.com I sent you the questionnaire you filled out some things and now we get to talk about some of your experiences if that is okay with you Yeah, that's absolutely fine It was quite good to have in the questionnaire because I think you just pick and choose which things should be willing to talk about and which things you thought No, definitely not going there Yeah, I think you're like the one of the questions was like what are some of your darkest fantasies and you're like well It really wouldn't be a dark fantasy if we just told everybody I know like you know, some things are special You know, why would you tell the whole world? I think I absolutely agree with you. Some perverts are a very very out-forth Forth out out for you know what I mean, but you did have one let's start with a fun story There is a story about you and the dungeon and a crate Can you walk us? Because I love these stories because I've had multiples of them myself I think everybody's got multiple of these stories Um, so it was rails of a new into the scene and I was playing at this guy's house and it played him a couple of times before so it kind of moved on from just like normal spanking and rope work, which initially when I went into scene That's all I was interested in so he was in the middle of a place scene And you got to imagine a skyward self the room beautifully and put candles everywhere And have almost like soft light in and in the corner of the room There was a shelf filled candles and underneath the shelf was like a dog crate Yeah, well, and you were gonna go to that dog crate Well, I was an intense chucked, you know It's quite a good thing in the way if you think about it because it's a way for the dorm to give you a break from whatever play That's going on to reset yourself and be charged Um without them losing control of the situation in the scene That's wonderful.
I absolutely agree So anyway I was blindfolded at this point with a collar and lead on and he was leading me into the dog crate by crawling So me being me, I'm not the most elegant of persons So here I am trying to get into the dog crate and there must be a lip or something at the bottom of the dog crate So I caught my knee or something on it as I was going into the dog crate Totally fell head first against the wall against the side of the crate Someone all fours at this point and I just felt this almost pain and burning And I automatically just freeze, you know Every talks about this like flight or fight response, but I just freeze and you can tell he's almost like doing his duck impression So he's kind of going okay. Just stay still everything's fine And I'm just thinking I can't move anyway. I'm totally frozen here all the time is burning searing pain going through me So anyway, the shelf above all candles on it had fallen on top of the crate and came off the wall So here I was getting candle wax completely dripping on me from of course You can't actually pick up all the candles at once So you have to do them one by one and that's obviously picking them up They must be more dripping on me and I'm just like I can't move here I've never done wax plate or anything like this in my whole entire life and here I was like on my back everything Totally covered in wax Involuntary unintentional wax play oh I know but if you didn't know the guy better, but you kind of think oh my gosh This person is trying to on it and to just me can relax play this way You know, it's one way to get over my fears And you know just do all the once and then it's done just get it all out of the way Well, probably the the burning was from they might not have been wax play candles They were probably the one there were normal candles that were like sent in their room to make the room nice and I don't know what you know, it's like yeah, there's like five of them Oh, I don't mean to laugh at you, but it is such an amazing beautiful story because because I've had it And we've seen it in the dungeon and we've had it in our personal lives where everything is just set up so beautifully And romantic and passionate and and you're like this is great And the whole scene is set and then just a slight human error And the kaboom takes place I mean the good news is is that it was just some small burning did it cause any damage on your scanner? I know like I was like I had a course on so I did have some clothing on but I um It was all in my hair, which was the worst thing more than anything And it's like how on earth do I get this all out of my hair And I must have been afterwards the domes so painstakingly trying to get all of the sparks out my Well, see because like the regular wax playwax like the spa wax that you use it burns at a much lower temperature So you can literally if some gets in your hair, you can literally go take a hot shower And it'll come out almost relatively with with ease But the harder wax especially like dinner candles that burn in a much higher time when they grab your hair they're like it's mine Yeah, I was lucky to end up the bald perch Well that so now let me ask the question So this obviously put a little bit of a freeze on the sexy moment And but after the de waxing of fluffy hair Were you able to go back into some play or was it just like okay?
We did good. We're gonna stop today Oh, no, that was that was the end You've got to understand that I was quite new at this time and wax play was something I would never have chose to do or was never discussed to do So like that's done Yeah, that's the big finale the fireworks show Yeah, I think I'll just end there today. Thank you very much. We later Oh But you know what like we we joke and we laugh because that's part of Any performance any anything you do whether it's cooking or going to work or or an act any activity There's always that chance that there's gonna be a kaboom or some sort of disaster But what's what's really cool?
Were you able to laugh it off with him and then talk through it and get back to play later like another time? Um, oh yeah, I played with him again after that. Um But I don't think it was so much talking through I think once the initial shock work I think it was quite in shock to start with because it was just totally unexpected and not something That I even knew existed that was the thing you've got to remember. I was quite new at this point Right and the concept of wax play had even entered my radar and he was like so that was your first introduction to wax play I'm like wax play what the hell it's done.
I was very well I mean technically it was not your first introduction to wax play It was an introduction to being burned by Campbell wax unintentionally, but it wasn't like he just flipped him over on you and splat I mean there was a bump and you know, so the wax play when you're prepared for it is actually pretty goddamn wonderful But when you're not prepared for anything, it's like stubbing your toe on the corner of a table And I think because I was like practically in this dog cage It's not like I could have moved quite a guy the way of it or anything like that So it's just a case of it's just a duck here until he starts this eye Just a freeze now Then let me if I can throw suggestions to some of our newer listeners out there Because I've done this before in play scenes when I played with new people and maybe they seemed a little nervous like they You know wanted to do everything right sometimes in the negotiation it really helps if you say Hey, we're gonna try to do all this fun stuff But if something goes wrong, we'll just kind of laugh laugh it off and move on You know and so because sometimes something like that could really be upsetting To somebody to where they'll never come back because they feel they disappointed, you know, and every oh I ruined everything And so sometimes if you can just while you're negotiating with your partners just say hey Accidents happen here's you know, we'll always try to be as safe as we can but if something happens It's not good. Let's not make it the end of the world and and it's okay And because I've had that happen where things have gone wrong Uh or the emotions change or whatever and and the bottom would have been normally Very upset like they just appointed me, you know, because I put all this time setting things up Especially with like needle play scenes and big scenes where you have to do a lot of setup And even wax play scenes where the bottom is like I'm just not super into this for a long time today Or it just didn't work out at all to where I had done all the setup And they just weren't in the headspace and because we had kind of done that talk before and said, you know You're free to be a human And it's not always gonna work out and yeah sure there may be a moment of disappointment and butter But in general for the long-term picture I would rather play with you Moving forward than just try to force a perfect scene when something happens. Does that make sense? I don't think there's such a thing as a perfect scene.
I agree with you. I absolutely agree with you I think as much as you want to plan or kind of have a scene in your head, you know People are human, you know if things change and you have to accept that and go along with it or stop it I completely agree. Well, I'm glad that's an amazing story Just the freeze That is that it's fight or fight fight or flight feed and breed and freeze there's five of them There's five of them. Yeah, freeze is actually a thing It's not it's not it's not in that realm of how the brain works in an emergency situation So um because sometimes freezing is a good idea Like you get scared and you freeze and then the wild animal runs by and eats another animal and not you So nature, you know nature did include that in this case kind of kind of a whale talk is something too out then shall we?
It didn't work in your case because the wax and gravity just pulled it right on you I know but you kind of think it could be more so maybe the panic and like Try to fight really quickly. I could have knocked even more on top of the face Or not to flame on you and turned into a human candle and been scooting around on all fours while on fire screaming through uh Through the doms uh place that so could work I'm going to have a head Okay, let's move on Just a good story. So another one of the questions that was in there Which I really liked your answer to was that is there something that you wish you would have known or thought through Before jumping into the lifestyle and what was your answer? Oh, this one's really difficult to speak about sounding like you know, I sit at the side of a room stalking people or something um But I don't do it intentionally but I'm probably quite shy and quiet when I first go to like a meeting or an event Or even just online.
I probably sit in the sidelines a lot And I always think it's handy to observe what's going on rather than jump head first into Kind of like Automatically feeling you need to be in the center of the room or speak to loads of people I probably really sit back on the sidelines and watch the other people in the room and how they behave and how they interact with each other um So um one example I can't remember the example I gave of when it was at an event and if I'm seeing You know a doll I'm in a person playing with a submissive or something like that Kind of almost like watching how they play because like for instance some dominance They're almost like putting a show on for the room. Right And their focus isn't on the person they're playing with it's almost on the room and looking at the reaction They're getting from the room for what they're doing to the dominant is to the submissive person Or you get some dominance that you know their focus is entirely on the person they're playing with You know, they could be anywhere in the world and their whole goal and focus and attentions on that person Like they're constantly doing little check-in-ins to see if they're okay, you know, they're not looking at a room and who's watching them And who's making you know kind of the biggest I don't know crowd around them and things like that, but they're just enjoying each other. No Absolutely and that's just kind of setting back So when you're ready to start talking to people or those doms start talking to you you already know You have a good sense of how they're going to be treating you um Yeah, and you almost get an impression of what type of dominant person that you want to get to know better and to play with um And you can take quite a lot from just watching other people and how they behave So if you started to say to play or speak to Tom that the whole focus you realize is on the room and you know Who's looking at them and you know What kind of reaction are getting from the room rather than the person you can I think well actually Maybe that's not the type of person I want to play with however Maybe you're a huge exhibitionist and you want somebody that's going to like, you know, please the crowd or the people that are watching them And so, you know, there's nothing wrong with different styles of how people play. It's just finding the different style that's going to Be if the match with you I totally agree and then there's some some people that play both ways where sometimes it's a show and sometimes you're focused On the person that you're with so I absolutely agree that the observation because a lot of people and we don't want to sound like old Fuddy Duddies, you know, which sometimes when I say this It comes off like I'm being overly protective Um when you when you tell people that it's it's a very very healthy move to do just like you I'm going to get a feel for this room before I just rip off my clothes and run in and hope for the best And and that especially when people are new and they've maybe been repressed Maybe they came from a religious background or they had a long-term relationship that was uh sexless Uh, and now they're just like, oh, they're just chomping at the bit to get get in there and do things Um that comes with a lot more risk than somebody like you who actually comes in and says I'm just gonna you know I'm just gonna watch for a minute and then get a feel for these different people and then go ahead and proceed and I tell I was at the the dungeon Uh last weekend and there was a new guy there who was all excited and I specifically told him we started talking about You know, I give him a whole new person excitement thing speech and one of the things I always say I said, hey, don't worry because the kinky people will always be here There's always going to be kinky people.
So if you don't do All the stuff on your dream list today It's okay because there will be people to do that with tomorrow and the next day and the next So Taking a little bit of time and getting a feel and I'm not saying don't play or don't fuck or don't you know try things or do stuff But it's not it's not like this is your only one chance You can actually take some time It's not like that you do not find you if when you're at events and things like that towards the end of the evening You can almost see people With desperation Yes, just like at a bar Just I'm not gonna go away from this event without playing with somebody anybody. Anybody will do Yes, we've seen that we have seen that and that's uh my uh new new used to always say which was very funny coming from you Because she's so she's usually so very sweet and innocent But she's like walk through the room walk back lower your standards walk back into the room Walk back lower your standards a little bit more Walk in the room And go find something so yeah that kind of desperation which you know whatever I'm not gonna just like you said before everybody has their own taste and flavor and what their goals are For for their own lives and how they want to play and be sexual But I have found That the people that actually do a little bit of that Just holding back a little bit And getting a feel for the room maybe getting some information talking to some of the leaders of the group asking questions Asking if there's somebody that plays the way you like to play I've had that multiple times where people are like oh, I'm into this and this and this and this Do you have any recommendations that has always led to a better chance of things going well Then things going bad Yeah, but it's not just events, you know, say you have a certain interest and I don't know Ball torture electric ball torture or something like something tame something relax Something casual you do. Okay, so you go online to like that life You find like this group or something and there's quite a lot of posts and information, you know Sit back and read those posts and read that information Luke who's posting on those posts And the information they're given and you don't want to dive into that good thing go. Hi I'm interested in electric ball torture with somebody show me just think of all the people that would message it that you know So you need to sit back.
Okay. Well that person's applied to everybody's posts I'll do it to you. I'll do it to you. I'll do it to you.
No, not that person and look at the people have done You know good replies sound like the note that they're talking about talking about the dangers talking about the risks The message them, you know, not in the like group forum or something like that But private messings they look this is something really interested in it Could you perhaps tell me about the risks or tell me about the benefits and then by all means put a post in the group But at least you've got that baseline knowledge to work on, you know So you can assess the risks yourself, you know, you've got to take some control over your own actions and forgetting your own knowledge before The height into these things so we go into a van and just sit and look in and observe and you're kind of building up your knowledge In order to counteract some of the douche bags that were there. No there fluffy that was so incredibly Wise and poignant There is I I can't agree with anything. I have nothing to add to that. That is absolutely What I agree and just building that power and taking that personal responsibility I absolutely agree with you on that and Once again have found in so many situations How much better because I mean some people the people that want to come in and just play play play and run away I don't necessarily trust those people that they're going to have my best interest Those people are very much only about their interests and my interests are To be here for a while and to have great experiences with people that actually want to be with me And to experience things with me just like I want to experience things with them So the people that are a little more just like you said a little more Into the safety and and making sure that there's the right aftercare based on what the person's needs are and and those types of things Those are the people that I think I feel much safer around Yeah, but it's coffee fun too.
No, I'll just about safety Well, you know what I look you look no matter what if you're going for electric ball torture You can talk safety for a hundred years. You're still gonna end up doing fucking electric ball torture So You don't even well then find electric lip torture. They call it genotorture. They call it bad to genotorture I have a violet wand I'll zap your pussy.
No problem fluffy. No problem You know because some people say that and I wanted to make a comment before we end Is that some people are like well it can't all be about safety you got to have fun And it's just like once we get all that safety crap every look compare what we do To what the rest of the world is doing they're going out and playing cards And you know they get drunk they dance Maybe they see a sports events or a movie like at the end of all of our safety. We're electrocuting genitals There's going to be fun. There's no doubt no matter how much time you spend prepping at the end It's still going to be fucking nuts.
I like how I'm in the library screaming I don't even want to turn around My backspace to the window and I'm like we're gonna fucking electrocute someone Oh to be a fly on the ball in that library I just look back there's just some lady sitting she has her mask on and she's just looking and typing and she's like I hate the public library. I hate the public There's two police officers standing there sir Sir, we'd like to talk to you about your conversation. No, no, everything's fine. Just It was just a conversation.
Yeah You could be actually doing it to the library that see that's where I think we would go where it would not be fun at the end I'm pretty sure that would just end not well Just for me because I'm already, you know They they know me like if you were here that you know people would be much more forgiving Much more forgiving. They're like well she was lovely and she just had to uh, you know Maybe masturbate a little bit in that private room and we support her It's a double standard, but I'm okay with it There are always a double standard. There's always a double standard Fluffy I loved hearing your stories and what you have to say I'd actually love for you to come back because I know you have a lot more stories If you would be open to talking with us again sometime It is amazing to have you as a listener and thank you so much for spending some time with us Not for us. It's lovely to chat with you as well The general minute the end of the show three twenty nine Please do not forget to visit us on patreon.com forward slash perverted podcast and consider becoming a supporter of the show by contributing a Meer five dollars a month and don't forget that you can always talk to boogie and I by emailing us at perverted podcast at gmail.com or dropping us Align on our fattlife profile perverted podcast and one last thing I'd like to say is that Post that somebody put up on our group in which people were saying so many nice things about me If you never heard us Talk about the post that you put up there Please don't think that we don't care or that none of that matters to me It's just that it got to a point where there's only so much, you know looking at patty's ass that you can do before I'm like okay, I'm done But no, I had I live we're gonna say who was the dick on this one You can go ahead and blame me because I'm like she's you're like oh I got more of these We got enough we could do this segment 18 more times and I'm like, you know I think we you know we don't we can't suck Kathy's dicks you're already getting a big ed You're already starting to get confident all of a sudden just you turn into a monster, you know Okay, I'll put the blame where it belongs.
You didn't want to do anymore those far as I'm concerned They're just like more male we got but please and all you know all seriousness every single thing that you guys wrote meant so very much to me So just know that even if you didn't hear it live on the show that does not mean that I did not take it to heart And I'm not exaggerating at all when I say I cried reading each and everyone of those even that much That is wonderful and cuddly and brofinger mushy and Brothing for mushy is what I was describing for so well look at that win win for everyone It's been a great show a lot of fun Thank you so much to fluffy for joining us all the way from the uk And uh, thank you guys for listening to me babble about a great experience and uh, I guess we're back Kathy I guess we have to say that that's true. We are yeah, because I talked to you the next day We had our aftercare or after club after Claire seeing each other in public which we're not supposed to but uh, what's up with that? Let's not do that again with each other in public. Well, you know, just you know, keep a distance good arms length, you know I can brofinger you with a stick but uh, but it was a lot of fun and it is good that we're gonna go back We're gonna go back to the same party next month and uh, and maybe even pick up the pace a little bit And so we'll have some more stories for you here on perverted podcast and we'll just uh keep doing this Hunger coming up next week.
We'll see you guys next week for uh, 330. Yay Hard to be a good man. Got a good job. We're trying to look in the best again.
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