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Oct 28, 2021 1 hr 19 min

334 Masochist Myth

from Perverted Podcast Hosted by Count Boogie

We discuss the myths around why people enjoy pain, then more good stuff on red flags and hypno kink. End show song is "The Runner"

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This shoe is sponsored by Hitler Hitler Just that con to me covers I'm motherfucking show me love So hello, path girl, how are you today sexy pants? I am doing very well, Mr. Sexy, I love the accents Do you love the accent? Do you love how I taught you in my subtric passionate voice?

Oh yes, do, do I talk some more? It's you to talk 30 to me like this I want to take you to the laundry mat and put you inside of a dryer with seven pounds of mayonnaise Ah! Spin you around And then maybe place my penis somewhere near that whole thing that I just described Oh, that sounds amazing I'm getting a hot thing to bother I really think we should stop this now Yeah, it may go, it's getting even weirder than it already is Before any more listeners shut the fuck off Let's just start a show The following show is for mature audiences only listener discretion is advised and if you don't like it, please go fuck yourself 1, 2, 3, 4! Do you feel your sex life is quite lame?

I'm very mad at that Scared that your desires might be strange I'm very mad at that Come and join the kicky world of play I'm very mad at that Hello and welcome to perverted podcast The show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle Sex and a human mind Recording live on Zencaster, I'm Pathgirl in my wonderful apartment And I am Count Boogie in the library Oh, we're in the library Oh yes, it's a very dignified day We're going to be talking about some wonderful things today I am very excited to have you with us here today, Pathgirl Kathy of course is still handling her stuff But pit pulling where necessary She added some pitbull into a conversation about something I talked about last week That I'm not going to talk about this week Because we're moving on We're here in the magic, but you have Some exciting things to share about me myself Doing pretty good I've been doing a lot of radio Writing a lot of comedy I'm getting better at it And the radio station that I work for My boss there is now trying to somehow finagle me a place to live Which would require me to leave Southern California Which there's so much for me here right now That I would hate to have to go You know all these wonderful parking lots that I sleep in And you know my food banks and stuff like that It's going to be a real real real stretch to leave But no it'll just be obviously better if I'm indoors I can do so much more work So I'm excited about that But you are the star of potato mayhem right now Because the long-awaited vampire glove scene half Taken place Yes, oh it was amazing Oh gosh it was so amazing So spill spill the beans Spill spill Okay girlfriend So I've been playing with my top now Probably about six months And one of the first times we met He had never seen vampire gloves before And the place where we met I had to have my play bag in the car Because I was going to see the guy that I was dating at the time And I showed him both pairs that I have One is basically a smaller pair with smaller Tax for people who don't know what vampire gloves are They're leather gloves And they have these metallic tacks on the fingers and palms And you could use them for sensation plates Either scratch or kind of just lightly caress Or even kind of push the tacks slightly into the skin To give like a prickly sensation My favorite thing to do Or Or you could be a complete masochist like me And I love to get spanked with them Now obviously There's a big difference between Corressing with them and scratching with them And actually getting spanked because you will draw blood And then you have to start negotiating things about bloodplay So you know the top that I was talking to Doc, he was very interested in it And we kind of just left it alone And then casually about a month ago He's like, yeah let me know when you want to do that vampire glove scene I'm like, yeah sure, wait, what? So I turned to his girlfriend, Kat, I'm like, are you okay with this? And she's like, yeah, it's okay So we were going to a private play party And I talked to the person organizing it And I said, look, we're looking to do this vampire glove scene Is it okay? What safety precautions do we need to take?

And we kind of figured out we're going to Dexter off the room where we take different sheets of plastic And kind of make a three-quandered square And leave one part open so people can watch And I said, you sure it's not going to be too much for the party? And she's like, I don't give a fuck It's too much for the party, it's going to be awesome So get to the dungeon that night And start negotiating with Doc about what we want to start with And we picked out a couple of toys to play with to start with And a couple of people kind of came up and looked at the gloves And they laid out and they're curious about them And they're kind of touching the spikes because everything we had was clean And they were just like, wow, that's kind of intimidating I'm like, yeah, I know, so... You're just waiting Oh, I've been waiting for this for pretty much as long as I've known Doc And it's just one of my favorite activities to do with my tops and doms But it does take a lot of trust and obviously like I said You're playing in blood, so you have to... There's a lot of talk that has to go on So we start the scene with a couple of toys And we had agreed, let's start with the thinner pair with the smaller tacks Just to see how it is because he's never played with them before He was a little apprehensive So he starts caressing me with the glove and kind of...

And this is also by the way the first time we ever played topless Because I was wearing a lace bra, lace and metal tacks It's just gonna tear the bra off, so I was like, okay, let's play topless So he starts grabbing my breasts, he starts grabbing my back And just moving all the tacks all around And eventually he works his way down to my butt And he gives it that first smack and I was like, oh, hello, darkness, my old friend But the thing was, so he starts spanking me And I'm feeling it, but I've been playing with him several months now I have lost some of my pain tolerance and I'm like, I'm not feeling as sharp as I remember So he kind of came around the front, we were kind of playing where he could walk all the way around me And I was like, I'm not really feeling those, can we look at the other ones? He's like, absolutely So he puts on... I have a problem So he moves... Now, like I said, the larger pair gloves I had have these really long super sharp tacks I had to file them down when I first got them, they were that sharp So he puts the other glove pair gloves on And his girlfriend's walking around taking pictures of the scene And she told me that when he spanked me with that larger glove There was an audible gasp of all the people that were watching Because that just drew blood immediately It's like railroad spikes coming from the fingers And he also grabbed me around the throat very gently with a vampire glove Which no one has ever done before and I was like, holy fucking shit, that's hot I mean, I love Dr.

Death, there's no sexual boundary there We're not sexually involved and it's just like, I looked down at him and said, do you realize how fucking hot you are? Those gloves You're right Got me some spank fodder for a leader Wow, yes, a thousand times yes So he's spanking me and spanking me and I finally get to the point where I'm starting to get spacey And he starts realizing, all right, it's probably time to take her down And he takes me down off the cuffs and he puts his arms around his neck And my knees had locked up because it was just like, I was standing there in such Exacy, it was just like, I can't sit down, my knees are locked up So I kind of had to force my knee down So I could sit down in the chair behind me and they put a puppy pad down behind me to catch the blood And I sat there for a few minutes, I couldn't even get my eyes to focus It was just so much yummy chemicals running through my body It was such an amazing experience where it was just like, it was a lot of firsts for us But it was just like, I have never played that hard to be on par gloves ever before And it was a really intense erotic scene So then finally I started coming down and usually with Doc, I'll kind of go to this little aftercare room with those couches And I kind of stood up from where I was sitting and I pulled the puppy pad off And there was just a ton of blood and I was like, oh shit, wait, wait, no, I had just for Pat girl I had puppy pads everywhere I went for the rest of the night, I was a responsible player But so then we sat in the aftercare room, we were talking about he's like, that has got to be like one of the top five scenes I've ever done He's like, thank you so much, that was amazing And we were just kind of talking about all the great things about it And it was really, I still have marks, it's like over a week later, I still have marks on my butt Well one of the things that was great is you were nice enough to send an audio clip of your first experience taking a shower after the 5,000 holes in your ass vampire go play So I'm just gonna go ahead and play that now Okay, so here we go, I'm stepping into the shower, and I'm going to put in some water on the floor And okay, so I'm under the water in the front, which obviously isn't bad because I don't have any vampire glow marks on the front And it is gonna absolutely suck me to turn around right now, but I need to wash my scenes and make sure it doesn't get infected so This is gonna suck about that, but okay, here we go All right, I'm turning around, holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck oh Ow ow ow ow, it is a thousand fucking needles in my ass and that is not good, it's gonna jump out of the water stream because holy fuck Okay, okay, I have to go back under the clean Fuck, all right, here we go Oh shit fuck needles, bitch scrapes, ow fuck oh god, I can't even stand there for more than like three or four seconds at a time because it is just Literally somebody is jabbing a thousand needles in the white butt They were the same paraklors they said it'll be fun. They said yeah, all right, all right One last time and I'm gonna grab some soap to try to wash my skin because I need to wash it so let's add some soap to that mix All right, here we go Fuck Okay last night was fun I don't know if it was fun enough for this Oh You're a big ham I didn't really ham it up that much because it was a thousand needles in my ass. It was oh my god That's great.

That is great Well, there's one other there's one other kicker to this though So doc when he plays with me and we plays but he bought him He has a habit of kind of wrapping himself around his bottoms body and kind of hugging on them and kind of you know Feeling on them and being sensual we didn't realize until after the scene was over we cleaned up and got dressed I walked out to a little common area where there was some food and stuff and I got something to eat He I see him walking to the bathroom and then he walks out with a bewildered look on his face And he starts walking toward me and the light starts getting brighter He was wearing all black and he was covered in my blood Oh, there is no safety. Oh Oh, and um, he just looks at me goes I hope I don't get pulled over on the way home because I have some explaining to do I can't sit anywhere Didn't now he did he have puppy pads Well, I mean the blood down absorbed by all his clothes and it was on the front There's nothing in the back so he was able to sit down on the places and he was obviously careful about like You know hugging on people and stuff, but it was just kind of like I just told people at the beginning to say like You want to see my SD card? Go ahead Risk-aware consensual cake. That's for goddamn sure people that I mean once again You try to do as much and it sounds like you know with your puppy pads and you guys are responsible you talk to the The manager of the function and let them know what was going on you you mark the area off in plastic and tarves You did everything right that you could do in a non-surgical setting But it is a 100 fact no matter how hard you draw no matter how hard you try It is not a surgical setting it is not a 100 sterile environment You do the best you can but there are risks involved in people going to dungeons where that type of play where almost any type of play goes on You are you cannot expect 100 percent safety at any time for anything You have someone canes somebody and there's a little bit of blood that canes flinging blood all over the room There's yes, that's just the shitty truth of that, but you do the best you can to mitigate that there's a public service announcement Disclaimer for people that are like oh my god, but uh, but that is awesome.

Oh, it was amazing But we should go to see that all is so well I saw the pictures afterwards and I'm like that is because you know I've seen a number of vampire plays scenes I've never done vampire play because I don't have gloves and I think it's pretty safe to mention with all of this involved Those are your vampire gloves that are only used on you and uh, and obviously you negotiated with your top that he was willing to wear those And uh, and so that's it. It's not like oh, hey, can I borrow those? I want to try those on my? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Those are mine I mean granted multiple tops I've used them, but I disaffected them I mean we even disaffected them that night at the dungeon and the next day I pulled them back out to Condition them and there was still blood on there so I had to make sure you clean them again and then condition them to make sure that everything is safe Yeah, absolutely. But just um So many holes in your heart just so many the after look the picture was so awesome I'm like that was a vampire love scene where they did not the dilly dally There was no dilly dallying in that scene, you know because I've seen a lot of people do vampire Play scene where it's a couple swats and you let the blood run down the leg and you know, it's kind of hot But this was uh, there's a lot of holes there. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, like I said, this is the hardest I've ever used these gloves and it's just I didn't even feel it at the time that I was playing that hard and it was just like oh my god This is so fucking amazing.

That is amazing. That is that is just top to bottom an amazing scene and everything seems to work out Very well and once again just a great example of doing your absolute best to make sure that the safety is taken care of and And that way you can just get on to having that kind of scene. That's that's great. Yes.

Good stuff How many times did you masturbate thinking about that scene? I played the fifth of the grounds that might incriminate me I need a new battery. Let's just put it at that. Ah bravo bravo That life is the place where you want to cornplay But then they fuck each other in the ass with their horns because that's the kind of freaky shit that happens on More of peace of mind.

Please know that the author of every post we just talked about on the show has specifically granted us permission to do so Thank you. Well said well said kathy kathy philin liner reading person You practice that in front of the mirror and like no, I have it in front of me I haven't written in front of me just to make sure I don't you know I haven't broken up a certain way so I make sure I hit every spot Nice nice. I'm glad to see you're working at it. Your enthusiasm is noted by the perverted podcast listeners and myself So this is a good post this is actually a post that you brought to me.

Um and uh Well fitting along with the vampire glove scene that I think the post goes right into it This is from uh, I believe it's kaya. I just what I thought too. Yeah, I think kia or kaya c-a-h-y-a whatever Just real pretty name. That's what I used to call bunny in in one of our characters when we had our little band her character was kaya What is a different spelling?

But anyway kaya writes my masochism is my choice not my trauma What's right there? Let's just go ahead and stop and talk for about an hour on that But this this was a well-written post and I'm going to chop the whole I think when kathy used to talk about how she had to butcher things And she always was the one to do it and I'm like, oh, okay Well, you know, that's probably a pain in the like when there's so much stuff in a post and you're like, uh, You can't there's no way that's why we posted on fat life In our sticky notes on our perverted podcast fat life page So and we're just going to touch on the things that I think that you and I can respond the best to but it's a great post and it goes Something like this what I am going to read. Yes. I am a masochist.

No, I do not enjoy pain Just for the sake of feeling pain. There are other reasons that I willingly allow another human to beat me or cause me to suffer in other ways First let me say this though. I am not mentally corrupt. I am not emotionally jaded I am not physically damaged.

My choices are my own based on who I am and what I need My childhood was good. I was not abused and I had many friends who loved me and I loved them I'm saying this because there are some who truly believe that masochists are suffering past traumas So we resort to what we know while oh, sorry. I better read that again I never read that part I'm saying this because there are some who truly believe that masochists are suffering past traumas So we resort to what we know While that may be the case for some and a very rare few that is definitely not the majority rule She then goes on to post a very well broken down like sections multiple sections of what her masochism about why I suffer for myself Why I'll suffer for him why I won't play for you. She has like five seconds sections So I'll post that up and you guys can read that.

So first I wanted us to get into the obvious Which is masochists are all broken Yeah, no So do you want to start with that or uh? I I have so many I love this post. I have so many thoughts on this post I just want to channel my inner queer eye for the straight guy to screen the top of my lungs. Yes queen Um, yeah, I mean just to give you a little backstory for me I am a masochist it took me many years to admit to myself that I was a masochist and the fact that I like receiving pain for my partners Now granted I'm the person that I still have my toe I cried like a little bitch So for me to turn around and realize that I like receiving pain for my partners was kind of like a what the fuck moment for me I grew up in New York City I was exposed at a very young age to all flavors of the lgbtk rainbow and I'll turn to lifestyle And I had an idea of what bdsm was from tv and you know things I got supposed to You fast forward to my adult life and sexual experiences And I start playing around with spanking and choking and bondage and the sex that goes along with it And afterwards I would be physically drained aesthetically happy and just lying there and what I used to call afterglow And you always hear about in the vanilla world about incredible sex and afterwards you guys are a lot of their exhausts and you're cuddling and this is a little glowy kind of thing But it wasn't until I started researching lifestyle that I realized that that was actually subspace And it finally clicked about oh, oh, I'm doing all these risky things that are pushing my body and that subspace But then I made that realization of okay.

I like doing all these weird and strange things I must be fucking broken. There's something wrong with me. I mean, I didn't have a perfect childhood No, most people don't I endure psychological and sexual abuse and in my childhood in my adult years But that's not the reason why I'm a masochist and that's why my love for this post comes in where she breaks down so many reasons why she's personally a masochist And it oil boils down to one sentence of if you're a masochist you are not broken Exactly. Well, I think I mean we know because we've been in this lifestyle for a long time.

It is a fair assumption I like to give people credit who are not involved in the lifestyle because they can only go based off what they've seen That's why we preach endlessly that there should be a thousand BDSM king podcasts that this should be something that we talk about openly Because it is a large percentage of people that are interested in this So I could totally see if you're just trying to put together We're raised to see that hitting people is bad and pain is bad and we've been programmed to see abuse abuse abuse That absolutely if you're from the outside and you've never been in a BDSM dungeon You've never been in a negotiated place in where you have literally called the owners of the facility to ask them how you should put up tarps And discuss with your top what type of gloves and go through safety protocols and all of these things If you have no idea about what goes into a hopefully what we would refer to as an ethical BDSM play scene Then all you can go is by what's spinning around in your head and that's probably a pretty horrific thought right that is probably a scary goddamn thought So I understand that but we're here to tell you as people that are in the lifestyle that are hopefully doing this in a more ethical Ray just like this poster said it is the minority Of people because sure in every group and we go to the journal of sexual medicine study that was put out a couple years ago That basically killed That helped kill BDSM and kinky sex and ref sex as a pathology which was listed in the d what did the DSM-5 or whatever? The psychological you know pathology You know book and it was taken out of there as a pathology as long as it's done in this way that we talk about in the lifestyle with You know compassion and negotiation and consent and those types of things Exactly So the statistics show that the number of people that were abused that get into kinky BDSM is really no different than any other group Group group Any other group Any other group anywhere where people grow people like the catholic church Um any group including churches including churches bowling leagues halloween haunt groups poker group You know any place where people congregate It's a pretty normal average of people that have an abusive past or have been abused in the past And that they they're doing that thing So that being said I come from a background where I did have abuse in my life So I am the go-to for the people that want to have what's called like a confirmation bias I watch Neil deGrasse Tyson a lot he teaches me fancy words Confirmation bias is when you have a thought in your head and you're just looking for the thing to prove it You know like the world is flat and you're like oh I stood at the beach look see it looks flat So it must be flat no and then you don't have to search anymore So I'm not a good person that's why I'm so grateful for kaya to write as somebody who had a normal childhood who had a healthy childhood Who had love in her life that this is still something that is passionate for her Because then what that does for me and hopefully what we can explain to the non-kinky people that listen to our show Is these types of activities these visceral activities if you take out the sexuality alone Are very normal for our species for our biology Visceral activity between human beings is celebrated in our culture our tackle football players all abused Are people in mixed martial arts abuse all come from abuse and trauma any high excursion Any high exertion exercise have all those people been abused Have you ever tried to ride up an eight mile hill on a bike with a teeny little seat shoved up your ass? Let me tell you something man. That's masochism.

That is straight masochism and it's masochism for a goal You're willing to go through that pain in order to achieve a higher state of awareness A challenge for yourself and or just an endorphin rush. Yes, and that's what people do So now if you add eroticism and sexuality to that, it's not that big of a jump To think of it like that. Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean it's you know There's a lot of things in her post that identify with and it's just and you can even flip it around and say that people who are sadists and like to inflict the pain You're not fucked up either You know both sides of the slash are you're consensually coming together and one person likes to inflict pain One person likes to receive the pain and it's this marvelous symphony of putting two people together and creating a scene I mean, it's you know, I'm a masochist because I love that rush of the body chemicals I love when I go into subspace my brain goes completely Silent for days and it's all my anxiety just melts away and the pain that I get you know for days later It's it's a reminder of that awesome thing and you know, it's it's just an amazing thing that two people would do together to have Two to have a hold it put together.

Absolutely and Kaya wrote something in her post under her My masochism part one why I I'll suffer for myself and she says I'm an overthinker physical pain helps slow my thoughts down Sometimes clearing my mind completely like you just said in a state of mind I can relax and I keyed in on that because I'm like that's not just for masochists That is literally one of my driving forces to why I like to top because my brain is insane all day tormenting me When I have to be responsible and focus on this person that has given me that much trust over their body Over their mind, you know, depending on how connected you are with a person that there can be a lot of mental too and you have the possibility of completely Fucking someone up mentally so that's an incredible responsibility When I'm in that and especially when I was playing with more than one person at the same time That just literally doubles it and triples it because every Aspect of who I you can't think I can't you can't casually just beat someone and then like, you know, think about your regular life Yeah, for me it is an absolute I so related to that because that's my thing is a top I get to not have boogie crazy brain when I'm playing I never talked about that. I mean you've talked about probably yeah Well, I mean I know on the subside but I mean like I know there are tops that go into what's called top space Where it's just like they get tunnel vision in there, you know, gifts hyper focus But I didn't realize that for you that it kind of quiets your mind as well. That's awesome Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

And then of course when you talk about top space There are tops that literally just get loopy spade like it can be dangerous Like there's been tops who have gone so into their I mean it's in a sense and I'm gonna talk about this with sunny in the next segment Who's into hypnocink? It's a trance and that trance gives you the ability to literally just leave the world and other parts of your brain open up That show you things that that allow you with all the chemicals and endorphins and all of that stuff comes for a lot of people a lot of visions A lot of being able to just leave the world and actually see things real hallucinations or like body hallucinations where you feel certain things and you identify them But you maybe don't see them like swimming in chocolate or I think uh sunny wrote down some things about bubbles and stuff like that Maybe she'll talk about in the segment that we do but this is the ability for people to literally leave earth In a hopefully safer scene and consensual way it is much more the pain is just the vehicle For a lot of people, you know, you know, you have you have monks go on the mountains You know, we talk about that monks go on the mountains and staff to spend like three years smelling him and yack p You know, so they can clear their mind enough to go into that trance state and then become At one with everything around them. We kind of cheat we're able to do it a little bit quicker with pain Because just like when you stub your toe everything that you were thinking about in your life ends at that moment Paying your bills who you're gonna vote for, you know Taking care of your kids when you stub your toe on that coffee table pain is the default Right it takes everything and you are only focused on that So if you can do that in a more constructive way where there's a build and stuff like that You can really go to another world and I think that's the biggest draw From what I've seen for most people that play is just that escape that pain or that giving pain is a doorway To a more open part of the mind without having to use drugs or alcohol Because it's cleaner than drugs and alcohol and the hangover is is much less And you actually remember more of it and it's less selfish because when you're high you're all about your high That's a whole another topic. Um, but just why I don't like, you know, didn't like playing high So this is a great topic.

Oh my god I just want to hold this post up to anybody who judges somebody in the life song go this you need to read this This was an awesome awesome post. This is an awesome I have one more point that I'll make before before we end because you know We just tried to basically justify what we do and against the people that say that we were all abused and that people who are into BDSM have all been abused And I'm gonna add something else which I've started on this campaign recently in shows So what what if it's true? What if it's true that everyone in the BDSM lifestyle has been abused or is suffering some past drama Or some trauma that we don't even know about or we had a hard fart in our mom didn't validate us With enough titty when we were a child. What if that was true and that people who did these activities were all people who had past trauma What is that?

Why is that even bad? Because we're in a lifestyle where we talk about compassion Communication self-advocation Yourself confidence your self-worth building that self-confidence up so you can say no and advocate for yourself on both sides of the power exchange All of the things that we try to teach in this lifestyle are positive therapy So what if this is where people come if they're fucked up Let's just say that's the truth. You're right. You mad detective you But I would much rather come here than have people go to drugs I'd rather have people come to the BDSM lifestyle and learn these things then go off into other negative behaviors and not continue to communicate or And do things that harm themselves or not build a self-worth I would much rather them come on to perverted podcast with us and work together to be a better person It really doesn't matter everyone's got to go somewhere No matter what your past is good or bad.

It's just another excuse. I think for people to be self-righteous It's like the type of people it's like the dudes that are like oh that chick has daddy issues Like who the fuck doesn't have daddy who doesn't have mommy and daddy issues like all of us had self-actualized parents that validated us as a human being instead of a thing Of course We all have issues and who cares The bottom line is how that manifests into becoming a better person and I think the way you did your scene With your top and your vampire gloves and the types of things that kaya talks about Um are a better way and it's more fun and we fuck so fuck you you judgy piece of shit Fuck you fuck you jesus christ Thank you so much to kaya for an amazing post where i'm gonna post that up on our felt life page go read it I have nine condoms on my dick. I have my dump says you're a chick But i'm drunk and i have five bucks behind this dumpster. We'll find love I'll plug my nose.

I'll stick it in you'll get your rock. I'll score my GIS transaction done. We need to kiss crackhead love in quay Perverted podcast listener segue. Okay.

All right taking a deep breath with me, sonny Oh, yeah, this is good. This isn't an induction by the way. I really am just I have no patience for that. That's why you're here Sonny lee maine How the hell are you?

I am well. Thank you. It is very wonderful to have you. We've been having all these joyful magical Logistical emails and fights with zencaster together I feel like we've literally like marched through battle together in order to get here for the perverted podcast audience And i'm glad you stuck with it because I think this is gonna be fun Yes, I'm very happy to be here very happy.

So now when you first reach out to me now Besides all of the magical things that you do in your kinky life you are an erotic author. Is that correct? Yes, that is true Okay, so let's just get the first plug out of the way so I don't forget if people are interested in your erotic writings where can they go? They are available on amazon.

I am funny lee maine everywhere and if you search for turn the key you'll get book one or the series Fantastic now that the business is out of the way because I know you're like hey, but let me plug my shits You know, I'm gonna hang out with some weird guy on a podcast But I've read some of your stuff you sent me some of your stuff and I really did enjoy your wording Usually i'm just gonna tell you honestly we get a lot of calls From authors that are like I wrote an erotic novel And and you're like that's that's wonderful. We we tend to do on the show more life experience stuff But you know like in this situation you're kinky person We can pitch your book, but um, you know, it's more about your real experiences And we're gonna get into some of those but it's so funny because most of the authors that Reach out to us to try to get on the show are not really kinky This is just like their alter ego mental personality and they write their 50 shades of gray style stuff And it's usually awful, but I did enjoy like the four I read all the things that you sent about your things and I really enjoyed your wording and phrasing I usually don't talk about those things on the show, but I really didn't enjoy the things that I've read from you So hopefully people will go check that out But what's important is that you went the extra mile And filled out the questionnaire that we give to our perverted podcast listeners If they want to come and be with us on the show to talk about their life experiences And you had some really interesting things to say that I would like to get into if you are ready Yes, fire it will fire it. Oh, yeah, like that By the way, I am a giant pervert and uh, you are free to be as well Hence the clever name of the show So the first thing that um, I really wanted to get into was uh, there's a question on the questionnaire that says What do you wish you would have known prior to getting in the lifestyle that might have helped you navigate a little bit better And you put uh, I wish I would have known some of the red flags Yes So I I'm like, oh, we can talk about red flags Fucking flags that's good stuff We can we talk about that a lot on the show But it has been a while since we've gone over some of the red flags to look for for our newer listeners that are maybe just Densuring into a dungeon or going online trying to find someone to play with So what I asked you to make a list of some of the red flags that you wish you would have known when you got here And could you please give us those? Sure So, you know, I think that it's important to remember that it doesn't matter if you're a top or a bottom um these things apply Um, and that's actually sort of red flag number one Um, someone who says I'm the top so therefore I don't have limits I don't need to have safe words, you know, this is just about your limits That will be the basis for things to me.

That's a giant red flag because I think that in kink and ds There's um a really important dynamic of trust and it has to go both ways So, you know, I am mostly dominant. I do have a dom myself and whether i'm topping or bottoming a scene I have to have trust that my partner will use their safe words. Um, anybody who says they don't have limits is full of shit Quite frankly Or they're just so inexperienced that they don't know what they don't know yet Like you know what i'm saying? Like some people like say you're cool if I stick a needle in your skin or i don't know Yeah, usually it's pretty easy.

You're all can I cut off all your hair? Is that okay? And they're like No Fire's cool And once again, you know, some people are real snooty about it and act like, you know kind of aloof dicks But it is an innocent mistake for most people some people are very arrogant about their I blah blah blah but some people really they they don't know that they don't know what they don't know because they don't know it Does that make sense? Yes So they don't know what their limits are because all they're thinking about is oh This is about spanking and this and that they don't know that there's this whole wonderful Depraved other thing Yes, and you know a checklist exists many checklists exist.

I highly recommend if someone is really new that they take a look at one Um, some of them are even designed for developing hard and soft limits and really farm boundaries and things that you can sort of test out You know with discussion Um, I highly recommend taking a look at one of those so that before you have that conversation for real You have some idea of what those types of things might be And I mean I have looked at lists and even with experiencing something and you know, I'm like what the hell is that I have no idea Um, you know, but it can give you some idea to hit the googles. Yeah, and that's a good thing. You know information is important information is power Um You know and then once those limits are established red flag number two is really having somebody push against those limits and specifically Um using dynamic as an excuse for broken boundaries. So, you know, once you've said like this is never okay No matter what Nobody should be pressuring you to try it.

You know, nobody should be changing the rules in the middle of the scene You know, sometimes things change over time, but that should really be discussed in sort of a Um, you know a non-scene setting where you can really think it through and you're not in headspace Um and somebody pushing against those saying, you know, well, you know, making you feel badly about them You really should do these things that's a giant red flag. Yeah, it's kind of like you hear a lot Um, they treat your limits as something like you need to get over right You know, like oh, oh, well, yeah, I understand you have those limits more respect those now But those are basically your immaturity because you don't understand what true dominance or submission really is about So I'll be patient with you now, but really you should be looking forward to getting over anal hooks in about a week because that's my uh, that's my schedule I'm not saying that but if that's your limit and you want someone to stick a hook on your ass Then that needs to be yours now then that doesn't mean and once again, you know, we say things on the conservative level sometimes because there's a general description Of course, there are times where you may have a hard limit and then all of a sudden after some time in the lifestyle You've seen other people play or you've read about things and you've read about the different aspects and it's all of a sudden not as scary and it becomes a soft limit Maybe you are curious about I don't think that's what we're talking about. No what we're talking about is when you know You're like, I don't want to do that I don't I that that doesn't that has no attraction to me whatever and then the person tries to kind of push you into it Right and you know, sometimes it kind of surprises you like um fire was one of mine And then I really wanted to do wax play and I got these candles and the stuff for wax flame I partnered with like wait a minute You realize that I have to actually like like the candle I mean you could use warmer shore, but in the moment the type that we had it was like wait a minute I'm about to light this on fire and I was like, oh my god I was so excited about it that I I was fine with it like right up until I was like, well, maybe you know And then we just paused and like took a minute, you know because stuff like that happens to negotiate Okay, well keep the flame away from my body within like, you know, a couple of feet just grip it from a, you know A height or something like that. I don't want to be fired near my hair And so that stuff happens, but if you have a basis, you know a general understanding of what's okay and what's not okay And you feel comfortable enough to say, you know stop or use your safe word You know, then then those things can be explored safely.

Absolutely. The only other one was at your list or did you have any more? Um, I mean, I think that generally just when you're meeting somebody new people who come on really strongly who are using sort of honorific Like hey, baby girl or you know, I'm a master so and so like that's a bunch of bullshit Master boogie My name sunny we've joked about it on the show. I have the least sexiest name on the planet There is no you cannot call me boogie sir or sir boogie or master boogie or you know, whatever it works Okay, it works.

Okay as a daddy, you know, what's thank goodness because i'm a daddy type So but yeah boogie is there's surely no good honorific for me that will not immediately make everyone involved burst out into laughter Yes, and I think that's important about that is that you know on a broader level Um, it's somebody who you don't know making assumptions about you know who you are what you like today Called, you know, not asking for your consent before they engage in something that is generally reserved Um, you know, most people are very serious You know when they're in the lifestyle about who they'll call master or sir It's not something that's taken lightly or it's in it, you know, a sandbox of you know for this time limited period You know, these are the things we're gonna say it's not something that you just approach someone with so talk to people like they're a human being Now then once again sunny to out my stupidity and vulnerability Um, there is a thing when I used to be online before I got on the lifestyle You had kind of an assumption that oh when we're you know, we're role playing I wasn't like disrespecting the person but I just kind of assumed oh, that's how it works because of my ignorance Like well, obviously you're a female So obviously you got to be a bottom because that's what everyone says which is cool because I don't want to be a bottom Um, so, you know, but it wasn't it wasn't malicious. It was just I was literally ignorant I literally thought so so you would use things, you know Like you would have like two emails with someone and then you're like oh, you could see you're starting to flirt in that way And then you're like, okay. Well, you know, call me sir. I guess and But it was kind of you know, once again There's a difference between innocent ignorance and somebody who literally doesn't care about the other person Yes And and so I think in regards to honorifics, you know Understand that that the red flag might also be the fact that they're just stupid because that was surely the case for me or in experience Like if somebody's coming at me and they're like I'm uh, I'm a master or you know, I'm Whatever they're trying to put themselves off like there's some kind of like expert in whatever but they don't even know that that term might be important That my bullshameter is off a little bit because I'm kind of like well, you know How about mastering some company Do a little rating and maybe it just is a sign of that person is a little bit inexperienced.

It doesn't always mean they're a jerk, but You know, especially if you're new it's hard to tell. Yeah, unfortunately I had people that instead of just eviscerating me. I mean I got some people making some jokes, which I deserved Um, but there were people that were like hey new guy Um, here's you know, this is a bigger, you know, bigger picture Some people take these things like collars and pets and you know, all of those things There's actually people that this is their dynamic This is their thing and it's important to understand that not everyone is in a role play It's not just a fun Z role play for some people. This is actually how they run their relationships And so, you know, I felt stupid a couple times and then you know started shutting up a little more and listening a little more Going to a few more classes and then going oh, oh, yeah, I guess that kind of makes sense there why I would seem like a giant douche Yeah, and I you know, I always recommend if you're in a situation that's new like you're walking into a dungeon It's your very first time whatever it is, you know, like explore be excited about that But maybe just take a moment to like look around and observe how other people are behaving What are they doing?

And you'll start to notice that there's sort of like an ebb and flow in it a pattern to things You'll notice that if a scene is going on other people are, you know, mostly keeping a respectful distance And they're not interfering or trying to insert themselves And there are places where it's okay to have conversation with somebody and places where you should probably be quiet because you're you know, you're disturbing something And just take a minute to like look around kind of see what the vibe is what other people are doing Do it the way a lot. Yeah, just get the way. Yeah That absolutely good advice on that one for sure two points, Sonny I had one more on the red flags that I just always like to throw out We've talked about a lot on the show when we talk about red flags And that's if they try to basically separate you from other opinions Or involvement in the bigger lifestyle like if they try to shield you Especially if you're new And and they say oh you don't need to you know Go on all these groups and ask questions and learn things and go to classes I know everything that you need to know and they basically try to keep you away You know from learning that they're basically either not Having your best interest or they're full of shit or they're you know a negative type of predator So and also in the same way if they have a lot of things to say but they don't ever source anything They don't ever say well, I went to this class or I read this post or I did this investigation or I did something outside of myself other than my Natural primordial dominant visceral energy that just taught it, you know from the wind I learned because I'm a natural born dominant Which is always the most humorous thing when you Look motherfucker when you were three years old your mom slapped you around told you where the fuck to sit you were submissive your entire childhood There's no such thing as a natural born dominant. You dip shit.

Anyway, that's just my rant I think it's cute. Um, but yeah, so if people try to separate you and from getting other opinions and information That is always a big red flag because I can that's just gonna be a gaslighting relationship Yeah, it's actually isolation was something that was on my list You're not because it is such a big thing and you know, so um You know whether it's declining to me in a public space when you're getting to know somebody You know the rules of like meeting somebody online and dating for safety Don't go out the window just because it's now kinky and you feel like you have to hide like you can totally have a cup of coffee Get to know somebody in a public place. That's a thing You don't have to meet them in some sketchy hotel room the first time, you know, you're gonna meet in person Um, you know, but in general I find that getting involved go to a class go to a convention go to a month show to a well-established club Um not the one in someone's basement, but you know a real one. Uh, there's anybody here.

Oh, you're the first one to arrive You'll be the lead You know because in those spaces, you know the people who spend a lot of time in those spaces You know who really live the lifestyle like they're gonna be the first ones if someone's being a dick to say get out Um, you know, you're not welcome in our space if you're not a safe player And so if you're completely new to the scene doing some of those things can one introduce you to people who know how to do it safely Who know how to do it well? And also there's a little bit of vetting it's not 100% safe, but you know like a lot of times if you're going to something You know like a munch, you know or smaller club where people hang out, you know on a regular basis people know each other So you know, there's a little bit of that going on you can kind of tell if somebody has a lot of You know people around them and that are comfortable in their space versus giving them a wide berth Um, that sort of thing. Absolutely and of course just a caveat to that if you are in an area that has no community Which a lot of our listeners in in countries. Yeah, that's fair That have no community or nothing.

There are still ways, you know, you can still meet for coffee or tea somewhere You can still be in public you can still create bonds with people in fed life groups of similar interests That you can learn from and accountability and let them know hey I'm going to meet this person here There are still safe you can still have a safe call with your friends or people that you trust that can say Hey, I'm gonna meet this person on a date You don't have to tell them it's a kinky date. You can just say I'm gonna go meet this person You know, there are even if you don't have a community and and once again, I also have to caveat Not all communities are well-run and some of them are negative and controlling and whatever The hope is is the more opinions that you get The safer you can be because you're gonna hear that you deserve to be empowered and you deserve to be able to speak for yourself And to advocate for yourself. Yes, I agree and I think I take for granted sometimes I live in a community where there's a lot of kinks It's not that hard for sure, but I think you know the more of these things that you can do You know whether it's virtual, you know or in person Nothing is ever going to be 100% safe. There's always going to be risk and I mean that's the same for scenes, especially when there's edge play involved But at the calculated risk and you take the precautions that you can and you do the best you can Absolutely, fantastically put Sunny Lee Maine written down here, you know, because that's like I am still a promoter I do radio I'm funny at me on everything like you know if you want to find me on jet life If you want to find me on Goodreads on Amazon I have my own website and my scene name, you know, I think probably half of the people that know me know me as Sunny at this point So I respond to both.

Yeah, it's part of my real life. So I just find that it's easy Well, Sunny, let's get in we have a little bit of time left Because I mean hopefully you have enjoyed this magical time that we have shared together and you might be interested to come in Another time to maybe elaborate a little bit on on the next one Because because I would love that because well, thank you. That's great. Um, so let's tap a little bit on my book I don't know I don't have a problem with that and I fought with so many people and I'm gonna rant with you, Sunny Because this show I'm very protective of people that just want to come in and use perverted podcast I get it all the time and they want to use this show to jerk themselves off or whatever the fuck they're selling and they don't offer anything to my Fucking listeners, you know, you have experiences in your life You have been willing to come in and do what we do on the show Which is share your personal experiences your knowledge and your highs and lows and vulnerability And in exchange from that, I have no fucking problem promoting what you're doing Great, but as long as somebody has like that fair exchange thing.

I'm very big on a fair exchange So I absolutely have no problem plugging your fucking book, Sunny I think it's a good thing and I hope people go and check out your shit because you offered something to our goddamn audience Honestly, you know, I think education is important and I like participating I'm an active member of my community even when I'm not writing and I think that one of the reasons that my writing comes off as authentic Is because I write what I know, you know, I'm not just like googling a bunch of shit You're trying to write a sexy scene, you know, I live it. This is my life Well, good. Well, then let's get into a touch of the other thing before we had to go because there was one and this is good Because we've talked about this on the show We've had a few different people come on and talk about hip-no-kink The question was was there's something that when you came into the lifestyle You're like now not for me, no way And then all of a sudden you learned about it and now you're like that's one of my favorite things to do And you responded hypnosis and hypno-kink Yes So can you very quickly tell me a little bit about the transition from fuck no to Why are you now enjoy it? Yeah, then actually, you know, it's kind of a story of things done right in light of our, you know, our red flag discussion Because I was like fuck no, you know, people talk about they staying consensual and don't drink in kink And I'm like if you're not driving the bus and you're not in control of your own brain Right, right, right, you know, how can you possibly consent?

That was kind of my my phone with it and I was at a convention because that's what people do to learn sometimes And I stumbled completely by accident into a hip-nose-kink lecture By hypno-story and pandapette who I have permission to mention To tell the story and I was completely mesmerized by their lecture And they really do a good job of talking about how hypnosis is not really Magical mind control, you know, you can't be hypnotized if you don't want to be, you know, and the person who comes up to you And since you can't hypnotize me is right because they don't want to be hypnotized You know and without like chemical interference, you know, that's how real hypnosis works. You have to want it to work And so I I was, you know, totally Into this lecture. They did a lot of really cool demos and then I could not stop thinking about it And I wrote about it a little bit because that's what I do and then I wrote to them And I was like tell me more about this and we hit it off And we're very good friends now and so, you know, hypnostory and pandapette they do a lot of hypno-education But we just developed a friendship and they really have mentored me taught me how to do it well, how to do it safely They do in fact, I know a lot of people were upset on the east coast when Kiki Khan would cancel due to Due to covid, but they're doing a consolation event and it's on hypno-stories page Which is online if other people want to learn about it and discord They do really good hypno-education. So, you know, I was like, you know what this thing is not as scary as it seemed I learned a little bit about it.

I'm gonna learn some more from some people who do it well and who do it safely And then I'm gonna, you know, start to incorporate it into my own kink And now it's like one of my favorite things I write about it in my stories You know, it's constantly in my personal place. So that's my very best That is a very very good lightning fast description of that transition and education. So let me ask a couple more quick questions What type of headspace did you because there's a lot of different types of minds I'm so grateful that you said if you don't want to be hypnotized, you're not going to be hypnotized That is so many people fight against that before they learn more about this modality. So for you What type of mind do you have that led you to be able to go into trance?

Um, I'm actually a control freak. I'm like very dominant So to give somebody control of my mind requires a lot of trust and I don't usually buy them for people who I don't You know, really care about and know really well But um, you know, I started with you know, I already have a meditation practice and mindfulness practice Um, so I responded really well to sort of guided meditation into trance Um, and then I find it's like riding a bike once your brain learns how to drop into trance and it knows what that feels like It becomes easier and then you can get into things like rapid triggers and um, you know things that your partner might do that sort of automatically Um, induce trance, um on a rapid basis Um, there are some other types of rapid inductions that you can do with a stranger, but um That really helped me having that like sort of a guided meditation practice But also I sort of write in a trance, you know, I'm like I step into my stories and you know, if my character is drinking a glass of wine Like I'm sipping that right back part. Oh, you know, and and I'm really sort of having a central experience That the character is having when I'm writing. Um, I'm sure people will now read stuff and like can't do that, but um, that's okay Um, but I think that I I trance when I write so Well, I think in general like I've even heard in in classes on on hypnocink That most people understand the concept of a trance because we do get so involved in a movie or a book or some type of activity that we're doing Where we literally just become almost otherworldly and our focus becomes so engrossed in that that there is that piece And that calm that homeostasis is where we really just stay in that moment So I think most people can conceptualize it, but I like that you're talking about the process because Most people have a pretty chaotic mind, you know, especially if we live in the states where everything's stressful and uh, you know, everyone's fight by It and so it's constant fight or flight to disengage that you're not just gonna walk up to somebody They're gonna shake you and say sleep and and all of a sudden you're gonna be like, oh, I'm floating in chocolate, you know It's just you know, that's usually not how it works.

There's a process Yeah, it's a scale and it's not just a scale on the part of the hypnotist I think that's a misconception, you know being a really good hypnotic subject is something that you can practice and You know certain people's brains are really good at certain things like some people are really good at kinesthetic sort of sensation Some people's brains do amnesia and forgetting for a time limited period, you know time limited period really well My brain is too controlling to forget easily so like my brain does not really do amnesia very well But like kinesthetic sensual stuff And like hypnobondage my brain does really well. So I do a lot of the all play Right like a thought of qualification is one of my fetishes It's a bit different Now when you go back to the when you talk about sensual hypnosis and your response to that That means you feel arousal in other ways other than just your genitals being stimulated Yes, and just in general, you know Like when I think about sensual BDSM, you know separate from the hypnosis you think about like, you know Maybe you're actually taking a sense away or you're heightening a certain sensation and all of your five senses And then just like your general situational awareness are involved and that is part of Part of the enjoyment part of the thrill part of the pleasure Separate from you know, just like straight up, you know genital stimulation. I mean other people don't enjoy that But it's a full body full-mind full spirit experience and I like to take that into hypnosis Very good now when you talk about the hypnotic bondage You're talking about actually believing even though there are no ropes There there's no restraints that in your trance you are unable to actually move those body parts that you were told you can't move Yes, and you know one of the the ones that people often start with is like feeling like your limbs are very heavy Like they they weigh a lot so it's hard to lift them And I mean the reality is that you know if the fire alarm goes off You're gonna be able to lift your arms and break out of it like you're not really you know losing that control But you can feel the resistance and like just feeling a little bit of resistance might be where you start And then as you get more skill that dropping into trance, you might really feel Bound even though there are no real ropes or restraints. So it starts small and it takes some time But when I do dollplay One of the things is that you can't move your limbs of your own accord in our scenes And so feeling like you can be posed and your body will hold that pose But you can't move of your own well And then you can take it with more experience to a really fun place like you only have for example control of your hands when it's touching someone else's skin Um, you know, so you can kind of make it more nuanced and but you're starting with you know your arms feel really heavy And that's okay One of the things that I love is whatever level you can get to you're allowing your mind to relax And you're allowing yourself to not be in your bullshit So even if you just get a little bit of heaviness in your arms and that's as far as you go.

Shit, man That's something you should celebrate. Yeah, and if you're enjoying the scene, you know, like you you can act if you're gonna move your arms You can just choose to commit to that, right? Because you're enjoying the scene even if the hypnosis is not fully, you know, effective at what it was intended to do Yeah, because I know some people like her like, oh, you know, they're like overachievers I know it doesn't and anything I've heard and the stuff that I've done because I do a lot of guided meditation and gong meditation and stuff Used to be a massage therapist and then of course I incorporated that into my king So I used to do a lot of that and To a lot of people were competitive and that kills it It just kills it if you're competitive with your fucking meditation that is literally just an oxymoron It doesn't work, you know, you have to just be able to just say hey wherever we go It's the same thing with achieving orgasm if you have trouble achieving orgasm or anything that has a mental block You can do hands free with hypnosis Yes, absolutely It's just be okay Whatever you can do and enjoy that and not have to put a timetable or you know, some pressure on that because then it just you're What are you doing it for here like that's not working 15 minutes. Obviously, this is fucking bullshit Right.

I mean you're don telling you you're not allowed to move your limbs You have to maintain this position like that can be sexy on its own without any hypnosis So, you know, even if the goal is hypnotic bondage and where you get to is my arms feel a little bit heavy But my dumb is hoping not to fucking move and I have to have some self control Like that's still a really hot scene if you don't get in your head and you're like it's not working and you know, this sucks It's not working right away, you know, we're not like magic When it's doing this right, I'm totally not even inducted. Yeah, because like that's not that's not fun for anybody. No, oh my god Amazing stuff, sonny When you come back if you would be so kind as to come back because you really were a great guest If you would love to if you're willing to come back And then maybe we can get into some more of the specific scenes that you've done And we can kind of walk through those and how you got to that headspace because our listeners always love the hypnostop because it really is a great A great way to just become more peaceful And if it's another tool in your kink bag another toy in your kink bag Then that's great But also if it's another tool to get to a place to where you can actually be a happier person And let your body recover from the constant stress that most of us feel I think it's a real positive thing Yeah, I mean sometimes when I do hypnother with friends, it's just like I have a no-spoons day Like I have no energy and I feel like shit and I got to go to work and it's like let's make you feel energized or relaxed So that you can move, you know, it's not always like a sex thing Hypnosis is a really useful tool for lots of stuff Absolutely, sonny, we are gonna have you back but once again, I even wrote now plugs on these books at the end too Can you please one more time, sonny lee mane? Let us know where people can find your work?

Yes, you can find me funny lee mane. It's le ig h m a y n e On amazon on goodreads I have a short story published in kink weekly this week if you like to check that out You can see one of my erotic short stories there. I have my own website Sonnyleymane.com with links to lots of those things So i'm on fat life under that name pretty easy to find my books are pretty cool. I think But I do write what I know your life will be changed.

Yeah, and all you know all of my books are Gender and queer inclusive. I identify as pansexual myself and polyamorous Um, and so I like to bring a lot of that to my writing and so I hope folks enjoy them be nice if you write reviews Sonny, thank you so much for being here. We're going to close out the show, but man It was really great to hang out with you and we'll see you on the next time great. This is really fun.

Thank you At the end of show 3 34 with path girl and sonny. Thank you so much path girl for being here with us I know that you were kind of rushing today because you have a date tonight Yeah, I actually have a first date with somebody who I found on a dating app who did an advertise if they were kinky But then in like one of his most first messages he's like oh yeah, by the way 20 years experience with daddy dom i was like So some maybe a stuffy and some brofinger tonight Are you just gonna probably go have coffee? We're going to have dinner and we're going to talk about stuff But we've been talking for the last four or five days and it's actually he went to frolic on this past weekend Oh, really? Oh, yeah, so and I told him a couple of my friends were down there I was like hey go walk up to this person and tell him path girl say hi and look at the world of bewilderment on their face going Who the hell are you?

Alright, well, that's good. That's got some potential. Well, we'll see fingers crossed. We'll see fingers crossed You know probably not turn into a serial killer god damn it We just got to limit that.

I mean I keep waiting for the aliens to pick me I know everyone wants to be picked by the aliens to get the button But I really think it should be me so I can wipe out all the people that I consider bad Which is lots of them and then leave the good people so they can give you brofinger and a stuffy Aw that would be an awesome experience Do you like cookies? You can't eat cookies right now? No, no, I see any time I play there's always an after care cookie and I yell at my top He doesn't get me an after care cookie. Oh god.

You better get your fucking cookie. Did you get a cookie after your vampires? I hope so no I did one better. I went to this local donut shop They had the most awesome donut so I had an after-care donut and it was it was just pure ecstasy on top of vampires Oh, it was amazing.

Well played path girl well played If you like what you heard and you'd like to support us you can go to patreon.com slash pervert a podcast Give us five bucks if you give a fuck thank you to all of the people that support to show headley Oh my god headley I cannot head blue. I cannot say how much you guys inspire me to keep going and I love it I love doing this show. I am not tired after six years. I'm literally thinking of the next show every week It's it's it's one of the only things I've never gotten bored of I've gotten bored in almost every relationship I've ever been to a certain extent And but I am not sick of this show and I keep going oh my god I if I can just get a few more things together we can make it better and get the love live back and and leaf lower versus vagina And anal hook pull and you know just there's so much I was a good Pussy cookies oh my god, but even still just having great conversations just being here to have these types of conversations with you and With the people who are good enough to come on and give their time and their experiences So that all the people in purple to podcast land can benefit of it It's really just a special thing and uh look forward to hearing you guys are seeing you guys or whatever the hell we call it next week on show 3 This diner I'm sitting in a no-fine french restaurant these eggs taste like they've been run over by a truck I stare out the window that could use a good cleaning my mind is a blur like a carnival of my Eats Everybody is god weakness and mine is just running from a job or a true love that just might jade me down And a voice that's inside swears the answer is coming but it always waits hiding in the next little town Oh here I go again chasing the night What seemed like an eternity was only a moment when I tasted this kiss from a goddess of the sky And I chased her lush garden straight down to the fire where I burned and I streamed and I lost with all my Rose to my feet my head was on sideways and I could not distinguish which way was up or down I was no longer human just the soulless dead robot whose circuits would be rewired in the next little town It's crazy if I Here I go again chasing when I was a boy and things would go badly I climb on the roof just to stare at the stars at night and I knew if I ran five million miles a second I could live with you vodka and everything would be all right The treasures of a lifetime lay buried in a true heart But I've been distracted still looking for a map or sign from the heavens and a bright neon sign that says boy stop You're running though.

I haven't found it Lend his mind or not easily parted I had a long dry land because I'm scared that I will drown So I paid for my eggs and I pull up my stakes and away I go driving to the next little town Oh Here I go here chasing the night Chasing the night I'm chasing the night I'm chasing the night

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