Look at your head, there, he's the king of biggies Or for he's our sponsor, we belong his testicles He supports the show Oh, wait there I wanna live with the cucumber girl Oh my God C-c-c-c-cathy, could you be my cucumber girl? Can I be a radish girl? Ha ha ha Like a radish for your enormous clitoris? I don't, you know, the image that you just conjured for me but he's gonna haunt me for days No, no vegetables near my girl parts Oh, that's right Well, see, Cathy, it's been, well, first off I mean, how bad is traffic in Los Angeles that you get lost for three fucking months?
Ha ha ha Yeah, that's the reason Like, Jesus Christ, Cathy, like, do you not have GPS? Do you not have the ability to find your way back to Zencaster? God! I've been on the 405 this whole time I believe that anyone that lives in Los Angeles it would be a completely plausible excuse for where the fuck you've been all these months Let's just start a show The following show is for mature audiences only Listen or discretion is advised and because you are responsible for yourself there won't be another fucking warning One, two, three, four Can we be legal, six, life is quite lame Thirty, five, cash Can the Joel Desaias, my dream Thirty, five, cash Can the G-firty, five, cash Thirty, five, cash Ha ha Hello and welcome to the new and improved and re-inspired perverted podcast The show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle sex and the human mind Recording after much deliberation through Zencaster appears All I have to do is be gone for three months and I forget how to run a computer, I'm Cathy I am Count Boogie and oh my goodness People are probably confused right now because we have so many perverted podcast listeners that have become zombie zams and PP echoes which are certain increments of time that you listen to perverted podcast and they must all think they're listening to some past episode Alas though, they would be wrong They would be wrong We're here with our new format The show is up on the 15th and 30th of every month now instead of every week we're doing it twice a month and yes there is no better way to start off this new exciting, quicker, tighter, titty, squeeze in format than to have Cathy back Hi Cathy Oh whoa whoa whoa I didn't sign up for any titty squeezing I don't remember you telling me about the titty squeezing part Cathy are you opposed to titty squeezing?
No I just like to know ahead of time consent Boogie, it's all about consent Oh dear god I don't know what type of wheat germ hippie crap you've been eating for the last three months but we have not changed on this show The show is about harassment and the enjoyment and celebration of random titty squeezing The 405 changes you Boogie You go in one way and you come out a completely different person Jesus Christ, well we're going to experience that Cathy how the fuck have you been? I have seen better days but I am pulling myself out of it as you must if you're going to continue living on this planet you have to find a way through and that's what I'm doing I'm not going to lie, traumatic experiences really take a huge chunk out of you and you're never the same when you get to the other side and you never know when it's coming so I don't think I'm different from anybody else on this planet who has to experience traumatic events you do your best to get through it and you hope that when you're done your friends like you are still there waiting while you've been you know hiding in a corner somewhere well I will say that I am very excited to have you back and we discussed beforehand that we weren't going to get into any long drawn out explanations I think the important thing is that everyone really was with you from all the letters that pervert podcast listeners sent in concern acceptance support a lot of people were sad that you had to step away for a while but I think everyone I think we did a good job Cathy I think as the mom and dad we did a good job setting the kids up to understand that sometimes you have to self-advocate and take care of yourself and I think our listeners really understood that really if the emails that I received of support are any indication then that means we have fostered and created a culture of really caring individuals because they really you know if you guys are if anybody listening wrote to me you have no idea what those messages meant they they really lifted my spirits a lot so it was great I love I love the listeners boogie I love the listeners too glad to have you back glad to have your vagina back that's really the important thing our other fill-in hosts have been so amazing everyone has stepped up but everyone knows that that six and a half years of doing a show with you my chemistry is well established with you so it's very good to have us back things have changed we're gonna do shorter segments so there are still gonna be all the other hosts are still gonna be bringing their magic from time to time and some more regular than others so let's just uh let's just get into the important thing Cathy yes and that is the Walmart personnel that completely double standard sexually harassed me at the checkout stand yes and by the way I was not offended of course not because you're you in any way it was actually the most magical Walmart experience I've ever had in my life Cathy oh my god and I've had quite a few spend a lot of time in the wall every morning do my little walking when it's cold there's no way you were sexually harassed at Walmart well let me tell you the story then and you and the podcast listeners be the judge okay and I think you're gonna be surprised so there's a lady that works in the self-checkout you know they had because you know we were the employees now we pay for the food and we have to check it out and weigh the vegetables and do all the things now because that's that's how uh you know how it goes but there's a bit but there's always somebody in charge of these 24 self-checkout things and early in the morning it's always this one lady who I thought kind of hated me and she's our age you know it looks maybe late 40s early 50s but she has herself there she's a little you know she's got a big ass you know you know she's she's definitely not in her 20s um but she kind of and she always has a mask so you don't really know what the whole face looks like but she kind of does herself up kind of in that pinup 40s kind of thing which is kind of pretty so you know every day I see her you know getting my food or whatever early in the morning so you know a little fantasy seems because she's got that big old ass and I'm like that's a spanking ass right there you know come here mama we get a hold of that so you know the one who was doing this sexual harassment well in my mind for months but this was her turn this was her moments so I get some stuff and I grab you know cup corn dogs you know for breakfast because I'm a health nut and uh you know some veggies and tomatoes and a cucumber you know some stuff I'm gonna eat during the day and I go and I get my little thing and I nodded her you know and uh I go in and I'm not looking good by the way I'm looking about as homeless as you can look with you know the ratty sweats and the hoodie and you know my face isn't shaved I'm wearing a mask so forth fortunately I cover some of it and something goes weird in the machine I scan my cucumber and and it says put it back like call attendance over my cucumber you know and so I'm like god damn it you know now I got a little red light goes on and then I wait and then she comes over and I feel like a fucking idiot because you know I failed being a cashier for free so she comes over and I hold up my cucumber because that's how I do it and I go it doesn't like my cucumber and she looks me in the eye she looks at the cucumber and she says well that is a pretty big cucumber I am not lying and I'm like game on I believe what you've got there boogie is flirting not sexual whatever man okay what you call it you know it's so lonely but I had to hold my cool and so I just kind of shake it a little bit and I go thank you and she leans over and she presses some buttons and then just walks away I put the cucumber in the band now I am alive I have now just woken up to that I am a pervert and I'm like whatever fine that was kind of cool that was an innuendo if I was if it was a dude that would be fireable offense but whatever so she was pretty pretty pretty brave she was she was cool as a cucumber you know the 405 might be pretty good right now look at pretty good get back on the free so I swear to god I'm not lying it gets better so now I scan tomatoes and whatever I go to scan one of the corn dogs and then the corn dog says not working call cashier not even lying I'm like this is the most golden opportunity I could have had in my life if I if I thought for a second that you were tech savvy I would say you rigged that machine I was reading the no but dude the machine was my my wingman person machine thing I don't care what you call it that machine loved me that day so the little red light goes on she looks back over and I go and starts to walk back over and I go you're not gonna believe this but it doesn't like my corn dog either and she looks in her eyes get wide and she just goes well maybe it just wants to make sure that you can finish the job and I look at her and I go I always finish my job oh my and she just smiles and then she saw in the cucumber is big and I'm like well I don't want to brag and it just starts going back and forth and I am like this kid is in heat and risking her job to talk to a homeless man this way I was so excited and so she scans the thing and then just cool she was cool she not cool as a cucumber don't fucking say and then walks away and does some other stuff and then kind of walks back and I finished the last thing and I have to at cool because I'm gonna be in every day now knowing this is on I'm gonna start grabbing mops and you know like you know just screw softball bats and every phallic thing I can possibly imagine and so but she kind of got close to me again not I'm not intentionally she was doing something and I just lean over before I grab my bag and I go we understand this conversation never happened and she just looks up and smiles and I walk away cool did you do the cool walking to the sunset so totally and then I hit the door with my fucking bag and set off the alarm and people jumped on me it was not sexy at all it was not not I can't believe you walked away from that flirting why didn't you seal the deal man there's no oh Kathy that's why you're alone and I'm oh we hit upon the reason why I'm alone finally yeah you got it you got it just I mean because if you know if you know she works there right so I have an unlimited amount of opportunities you never rush to close deal not that's not true you do not have an unlimited amount of opportunities maybe today was her last date maybe maybe it was but you know what you got to take that risk to play the game right because if all of a sudden she sends a little flirt and then you're like oh can I have your number can I have your number please let me have sex with your little did you just talk yourself out of the pussy no I didn't I did not I played I you're gonna tell me how to play game you're the one who said that in the past you used to talk yourself out of the pussy yeah yeah when I was fucking 25 no it there is a game plan there is a game that's true you are an old man now I'm an old man you slow and steady slow and steady gets it going so slow and steady wins the race you're an old turtle is what you're saying pretty much pretty much I wanted to bring that was my crunch dolly song I love it so grunge I don't figure I don't think it's all for me bugs I did yes honey I did a song for your segment I know you're excited about talking about dollies because you actually had fun this weekend it was crazy what did you do this weekend I was very excited about this I was really excited I had so much fun this weekend I was at charmed which is I have no convention and I participated virtually but I actually got to do it in the same space as some close friends and one of my partners and I got to do really fun stuff like teach classes about qualification and do some sadistic bubble stuff and I really got to do some play on my own in between in between the classes things like Kit-Cats that gave orgasms hypnotically and all kinds of potato mayhem really fun whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what do you mean you mean Kit-Cats a little way for candy bars for orgasms? yeah like chocolate because you can create a suggestion with hypnosis that when you eat this Kit-Cats xyz is going to happen your kitty's going to be spanked until you come essentially or whatever so there were some of that and I got to be in a living art exhibit where I got to do my dolly thing and my daddy posed my body and we took suggestions from the people that were watching for what pose I should be in and that was really fun and I got to be a little bit of an exhibitionist yeah it was just really awesome was it like a room full of boogies or were there people that were trying to be respectful and be like oh make her sippy I would say everybody was really respectful we got to make a card for our exhibit like a little thing that said what was an acceptable way to interact and I didn't have what we're doing person violate the boundaries that I put on the card well then it is a special time ladies and gentlemen to unleash the sunny on the topic of dollification and doll play sunny bring us your wisdom so I really like all kinds of dolly play I both like to be a doll when I'm playing with my daddy in particular and to play with other dolls when I'm in little space so I'm actually a top even in little space and a little bit sadistic so playing with dolls is really fun for me I try not to break my toys sometimes yeah that might earn me space but people do doll play in lots of different ways and I find that it seems like people almost come up with their own doll identity whether it's a rag doll or porcelain doll rubber doll creepy broken doll Barbie it's sort of like a personal identity and I have one I mostly do hypnosis nullification but I feel sort of like a plastic doll with bendable joints like one of those Barbies that um that do like ballet where you can sort of move their their joints and limbs a little bit or more like an action figure and so right yeah I don't know if I'm describing it clearly but like a plastic doll with bendable joints let me let me ask you a question real quick when you get into the idea of identity with your dolly let me ask some dumb questions and and give me some give me some joy for it now when you say you have a dolly identity which you just described is this more the dolly that you feel you are or is it like the dolly you like are projecting yourself to be it's the dolly that I feel like when I'm in that headspace just like you can be like in subspace or in little space I feel like there's a doll space and when I'm in that space I feel like it is me and hypnosis has a lot to do with that in my case in particular so now you mentioned a whole bunch of dolly type rubber doll and china doll can you give a little bit of a description of like what each one's kind of characteristic is so maybe our listeners relate to a different type of dolly and or they're curious about it and so maybe if you could give a couple little descriptions yeah and again these are these other types are not my particular thing but I have seen other people do them um rubber dolls are a really really big one and people often do like a full body rubber suit and really like the feeling of rubber and the way that you can modify your body using that type of rubber suit and patting underneath potentially rag dolls are pretty floppy porcelain very fragile but it really is very individual so it's hard to get into the headspace of one that I don't do personally now let me ask you a question which also may sound weird because it's kind of like this in dominance submissive is it the same for dollies where it's kind of like top specific for you because you say that sometimes you top as a dolly but is it kind of motivated by the person that you want to play with what type of doll you're gonna be so I don't really top as a dolly I sometimes top as a little that wants to play with a doll oh okay sorry so just like you might play with yeah toys or a t-set or something I like to play with human dollies in little space but generally and obviously I can't speak for everyone but speaking for myself doll space is a very submissive space because it's generally involving total power exchange or things like the roleplay including or the hypnosis including not being able to move on your own um having the top two things like dress you pose you um cnc stuff where you can't move a reactant so the top can do sort of whatever they want to you there can be an ownership dynamic so at least for me and for many people who I know do this sort of play it's definitely a submissive type role okay that's very cool so as people decide what types of things they gravitate for then obviously you've got to find a top that's into that type of dolly play like obviously if you're more into dolly barbie play it's you're gonna have a harder time with a top that's into rubber dolly play I'm not sure I mean I know that a lot of people who are the doll maker or the doll owner have a pretty clear idea about what type of dolly they would like to have and they really like to be involved in like the choosing of the clothes and the design that sort of thing um and other people sort of design their own doll persona and if it's not something that you're portraying with clothing like say you're doing it hypnotically or it's part of a headspace I could have a totally clear idea in my mind of what type of doll I am but that might not show outwardly so it might not matter as much as you would think how do you negotiate dolly play like what are the things you're gonna look for so the things you're gonna look for would be the same things that you would look for in any type of cnc or power exchange whether you're using some kind of bondage or um just doing a role play or using hypnotic bondage so for example I really in that space when we use hypnosis feel like I cannot outwardly do anything I can't speak show any outward facial expressions move of my own accord it's a pretty complete power exchange so you want to negotiate for things like what can be done to your body when you're in that space you know what are your limits what safe words are you going to use I know that sounds like really basic stuff but it's most even more important when you're doing something where there's total power exchange involved okay I like that so surely for safety like if you if you're have some physical limitations obviously you're gonna want to talk about that and you don't want your top bending your bad shoulder in a way that that is going to be uncomfortable for you or exacerbate some injury that you have so you're going to want to definitely talk about whatever you can do and how you can do and I guess that would also dictate maybe in some ways the type of doll that you can be like if you have a lot of injuries or a lot of limitations physically you know maybe the the china doll where you're a little more stationary and not being flipped around like a rag doll or a barbie might be a better way to go I definitely think that you could work in some kind of limitation in that like my limbs are very fragile if you really want to make it part of the role play you could also just negotiate just like you would for a bondage scene hey at school if you pose my body pretty much anyway except this way because that's bad for my shoulder or one of the things to be aware of if you're gonna do a lot of posing is how long can you hold a pose comfortably it's something that models do when they're being drawn for example or photography models it can be really physically challenging and I mean I was really sore after the art exhibit and I actually safe-worded in the beginning because we were sort of caught up with people watching us and my daddy left me in a pose for just a little bit longer than felt comfortable and so for me because it was hypnotic and I actually felt like I couldn't move on my own my brain did it sort of automatic safe word which is a a total separate subject but I came up and out of trance and said hey you know it's basically a yellow let's just make sure we're moving me frequently don't just leave me in a pose for a long time even if somebody from the audience doesn't immediately give you a new one to put me in just put me back in a neutral pose that's comfortable to hold or something like that so body mechanics is definitely something that can be a part of it and also if you're into exhibitionism and other people are going to watch you know you or if you want it to be photographed you might want to negotiate those things like hey it's okay if you photograph me in these poses but don't include my face or where those pictures can be posted that kind of thing right right now let me ask a couple questions because I've done like Dolly and you and I I promised that we wouldn't go too deep into our debate of robots versus Dolly's because I know you're pretty pretty purest on that there's a difference because when I did Dolly play like I did Dolly play with a biz a few times and she really loved you know you know being told what to do but there was instructions so it would be like there would be things where I would position her but there would also be like things like I want you to get up walk to the closet and put on this outfit and then she would do that and so I I just thought that was Dolly play but you're like no that's more of a robot yeah that looks like a robotie I see and I don't know that there's a difference and apparently pervert by guess listeners there's an entire community of robot people that wore to the death with Dolly people no and so there's a word of the death that people are bleeding like right now there's there's fucking Dolly people just literally face punching robot people to death saying you don't get to give instructions to an inanimate doll and they're like fuck you don't get shade my dolly and that's happening right now apparently but there is some difference I wouldn't say it was quite as dramatic as that no okay because you know I thought it was Dolly play I mean I think like I said everything is personal to whatever the hell you want that feels good and that's fun for you and your partner and if you want to be some kind of Dolly robot hybrid and go for it that's fine if you want to be the fake Dolly the by all means enjoy your lower level Dolly part of it at least for me personally is the the draw of that total complete power exchange and not being able to respond outwardly at all whereas a robot is very interactive and so it's just a different kind of headspace or fantasy at least for me and I'm generally a top and so I almost have to have my control completely 100% taken away for me to find anything that resembles subspace it doesn't happen easily for me and so having somebody literally turn my brain like off or turn my control of my body off hypnotically is about what it takes for me to be able to find something that resembles a subspace and it's not the kind of play that I would do casually ever I only have one relationship with my life where I have a dynamic where that person is my top and that's where the Dolly space comes in but you know we do things like switch back and forth between human and doll mode so whether you're doing that with hypnosis triggers or whether you're doing that with a you know when you put this thing on you know you're in dolly space or like a keyword or something for a roleplay you could certainly switch back and forth between dolly and human mode and have somebody safely get into a position like sit down on the floor or lay down on the bed my daddy actually physically lifts and moves me completely and I know that that's not always accessible so you know and we do check-ins by switching back and forth so you can accomplish that like hey do this or put that on without sort of disturbing the dolly space by having that happen in human space okay fantastic one one final question now then this may not be your situation but see if you can maybe give an opinion on that in some ways when because we're talking about headspace in general is there a part of that that can be kind of like furniture play because you're releasing all responsibility and you have a single purpose I mean it's I mean in a sense it's kind of furniture play because both are technically inanimate objects or are you channeling some sort of part of you where the dolly is actually alive and you're like oh what is he gonna do what are they gonna do next you know or is it really just a letting go and becoming just this inanimate object um so for me personally and again there's a lot of hypnosis involved in this but I'm still fully sensory aware I can see in here and feel everything so I'll have orgasms experience pain I just cannot respond to it outwardly and I've never done furniture play but I think my understanding would be that it would be sort of like a headspace of complete turn-off of your mind where you're completely objectified and there's definitely a lot of overlap in that sort of dehumanization it's something that's not natural it's not human it's not animal um but in my particular case I like to maintain sensory awareness of what is going on and it's really fun for both of us to know that I can feel and experience everything I just can't respond to it outwardly um it's hard for me to comment on the furniture part because that's not something I've ever done but I think that that is not traditionally a part of it maybe you know well I mean I've done quite a bit of furniture play and I have fucked my table I have fucked fingered and done all sorts of things to my table and the table did come you know it wasn't like one of them crappy IKEA tables this was a fucking table this is the high dollar table so um so I think in a sense what you're describing is definitely more than furniture play because there's so much more mental awareness where a lot of times furniture play and that objectification really is kind of about letting go and that you have a single purpose and that is to support your tops either meal or feet or you know ashtray depending on whatever type of play you're doing whereas the dolly sounds like you're just immobile but you're you're still present at least when I play I'm still present in my mind but I think that sometimes other people do want to be completely objectified and turn their mind off like furniture so I think it really depends on the person there could be um some pretty heavy overlap there and there's definitely an objectification to it and a an ownership you know this is my my thing that I can do with what I want amazing and wonderful and titillating sunny we all are now going to become dolls and doll owners and live the dolly dream because of you yay it's fun to try out I think I'm biased though amazing wonderful fantastic thank you so much sunny yay so seeing as we have Cathy back I know this is something that you have enjoyed and get a really good headspace from and that is slave slash power exchange positions to achieve headspace now of course we can't do animations and visuals on perverted podcast if there's thousands of them online if you type in slave positions but we were going to talk a little bit about our head spaces around slave positions you know what slave positions and slave positions and tasks I'm going to say because it's not just about holding a position is second only to the connection you can have with someone and getting you in that headspace in my opinion nothing nothing beats having that connection where the two of you are just on the same page you know each other well enough that trust has been created that that goes a long way toward putting in in the proper headspace but second to that is slave positions there I read so many articles on the reddit groups and on fett life of people saying you know I want to be a dom I feel like I'm a dom but I just don't know how to get started how to access that part of me the answer as far as I'm concerned is always going to be try the slave positions because nothing will get you in that headspace quicker and I'm not talking about just some you know guy who's dick gets hard when a cute pretty girl is kneeling in front of them with her head bowed and then she shyly looks up at them because that's great of course but that's only sexual gratification you're talking about yeah yeah hustler deer porn up but if you're trying to get into the the DS whatever side of the slash you're on the positions that that you choose for your submissive or that your dominant chooses for you oh my god there's just there is nothing like it but I will say this they have the positions that the two of you get off on yeah there are certain things that just don't do me any good and again I will revert back to the reddit post in the fett life post that I read when from a submissive point of view my dominant makes me do this and this and I really enjoy that it makes them feel good that because part of being a submissive is that you want to please your dominant but then the submissive is left cold with everything else because it's not really doing anything for them and and I'm going to use this phrase even though you and I don't normally use it that often but a true dominant is going to know that you need to make sure you're submissive or your slave is getting into that headspace also it ain't just about you you guys need to discuss this for example I went to a convention quite a few years ago in which a couple was doing a lecture on the way that they do slave positions and these people were very militant about it because that's what did it for them it was all about position number one position number two now you're at parade rest and on and on and it was fascinating to watch and it was clear that these two were on the same page and they were just having a grand time those kind of things would leave me cold they would do absolutely nothing for me so although I could get off knowing that my dominant was uh you know deriving a significant amount of pleasure from it it would only be half done and I would I don't think that dominance when they're first starting out really realize how important it is that you're submissive be just as much in the headspace as you are I completely agree with that and once again great to see you hit the ground running on that one yeah this is something I know a lot about um for those that don't for those that are new you know Kathy's excitement is because that headspace can be so powerful especially when you're just coming into a place scene or you're playing with somebody new and you don't really know how to get there like maybe you're not even in a power exchange relationship a 24-7 power exchange relationship but you want to explore the idea of a power exchange about giving up that power how do you get into that headspace we have our normal lives some of us are students some of us have careers you know there's all of these things in the outside world that tell us oh you got to be in charge you have to be independent and then when you get into this scene where you want to actually let go I'm speaking on the bottom half at this point how do you take the world and move it away for that time how do you get into that space to where you're going to give up that trust in that power exchange and that's why some of these positions because each one and once again once you go online and you look at the different positions you'll see some of them are about access to your top some of them are about objectification they're about humiliation or some of them are for beauty to present yourself as beautiful or sexy for your top and then of course that ownership and power exchange some of them are for inspection I do a lot of inspection positions before my play scenes you know where you have the person stand with their legs shoulder length apart fingers interlaced behind the head and they just stand kind of at attention knee slightly bent and then I will inspect them and that brings them into a position to where they are something that belongs to me from the top point of view when my day is chaos and I have to get into that place where I am in the headspace of taking that control those positions or even small protocols prior to the placing like how my bottom sometimes sets up my toys for me or even just get the water get the things that we need have the blanket ready those things when they start doing those things not only get them in the headspace but they get me in that headspace of accepting service of being ready to be given someone's power and then of course and then of course the the inspection positions and things like that and then that really helps just lead me into that place where this person is now mine I mean a lot of it is of course the position when you put them on a cross if you're in a dungeon or you have play equipment at your house or you tie them up or the putting on how they I usually go this foot to that foot to that wrist to that wrist putting on the collars and cuffs there's so many things that you do that allow you to get into that headspace and it really does just push the rest of the world away right very very well put pushing the rest of the world away if you've done your job right that's exactly what it feels like absolutely so we wouldn't say true dominant Kathy we could just say I would we could just say a good dominant I want to say true dominant oh my god a true dominant can find a hundred ways of doing something I'm not telling you you have to find the one way that I think is right but if you're not paying attention to yours it's a missive you're not a fucking dominant at all oh man I miss that sass I miss that fuck you in your face motherfucker Kathy you're gonna be hearing a lot more of that if you keep me on the show because I've been feeling very very ornery and very prickly lately not lately for the past few months it's like don't don't fucking try on me motherfucker well I kind of you know the funny thing is is I forgot about that I forgot that one little thing I mean I've thought about it prior but to go like hey Kathy has changed and you know obviously going through all the things you're going through and building your strength or whatever I haven't gone I wonder how this is gonna affect our interaction when she comes back to the show I'm all of a sudden now terrified I have just been filled with an enormous amount of fear and anxiety that I am glad we are not in the same room I I'm going to wear a jockstrap and cup from emotionally napping I won't wear your emotional jockstrap but I am also excited for this because once again this is the growth that we have and not all play scenes and not all dynamics are the completely uber dominant dominant and the completely water puddle doormat submissive so once again in in getting that together it's really about sitting together and talking with your dominance and submissives together and talking about how much that power exchange inspires you and where you want to go with it absolutely I have a short story about my michelle do you want to hear it uh yes short sure okay we were playing a few years ago and I was going to top her and having I've seen her play as a bottom I I've never played I never really played with her and so I decided to put her through the paces and and do the things that I wanted to do to see how she reacted and one of the things I did was she was naked kneeling on all fours on a table which put her up at my level and I had her really sit there in my nutely get in the exact position I wanted her to her knees just as far as I wanted them and I was doing it very quietly but very methodically going over her body and saying and then your feet over here now arch your back with your stomach towards the ground and uh hold your head up high no no higher higher and she looked so confused while I was doing this like she didn't understand like she had never done anything before and then at one point I gave her one of my rods and I said open and I basically had her hold my rod in her between her teeth so hot I love that and I the position just the the look of her the image of her in that tight position with her head held high shoulders back while she's on her hands and knees holding this rod for me when I made her eye look I said look straight ahead to me that totally does it and she just looked adorable she looks so cute all naked just trying to hold that position and afterwards we talked about it she's just nobody's ever really done that and I'm actually not sure how I feel about that and if we were gonna play again I would have definitely pursued that conversation further to see if that was but that's what I meant when I said earlier you know she was confused she was a little overwhelmed because she'd never done anything like that before if we were gonna play again if I were in any way wanting her to be my bottom in any way I would absolutely have pursued that conversation to find out whether it was a good confusion a bad confusion if she was something which you want to follow because I do not want to continue with any kind of power exchange if it's one-sided because it's not even a power exchange that one-sided play whether it's pick-up play or continue is not something that I have zero interest in that indeed how amazing that we're going to take that visual and very shortly hearing of my Michelle fucking playing with dudes fucking prostate glands that is the amazingness that is the new and improved perverted podcast show my knee shall the lovely lovely sweet say it also your balls to your lips and play you like a face my knee shell Michelle that's not a metaphor that your kitty wants to get inside the room is it and the fact that you've trained your vagina to actually give a muffled me out I think is incredible I don't know if the listeners can hear it but like right before we started talking I hear this and I'm like dear you named your pussy Zina yeah Zina Warier mittens she's Zina from the streets Zina from the she's a Zina in the streets and a freak in the sheets that's right oh my god Michelle how are you and your vagina I have to focus on vaginas because very soon we're going to leave vaginas that's true and go to man asshole go to the P town fucking gonna go down to P town where it's scary kicking with the ping pong ball oh my god so you've been good if you had any kink going on in your life besides playing with your pussy just me and my pussy that's it that's it you and poppy Ramon having any freaky love time no he's been secure lately so he got he got the covid so not so much of that and then I got the covid as well so oh man you guys are just you guys are just rock stars over there you were living the life just you and a meowing pussy well hopefully we can cheer you up with some memories of P town days gone by yes so uh I suppose we should just go ahead and get into it obviously as we've been hinting at we are finally after six and a half years of doing this show because now it's the new show and we're going back to the thing I put out the call for topics and things like that and the towel of meat is a perverted podcast listener been with us for a long time and Michelle let me tell you this guy is literally the champion of prostate play oh like literally so much like literally banners like I'm surprised I don't see him on the freeway saying it's the best thing ever oh yeah it is finger your butthole I need to make this right I'm at the Starbucks drive through my windows are down and I'm like finger your bottle I just realized I'm getting looked at I'm doing tao amis job for him so yeah we're going to start because it's it's never been you know like something I've been into or curious about or whatever because I've not been into penis orgasms but he has always been such a big fan of butt play and prostate orgasms and so I'm like well who the fuck am I going to talk about this with because I want to address it because a lot of people are into butt stuff a lot of people are no longer hung up on the the male asshole as you're not gay if you like your ass played with you know because there's there's stuff in there that feels really fucking good and you should just do what feels really good with your partners yeah exactly so but I like I said I'm still it's not my jam so I don't know much but you said I have something from him that I'm gonna read that I think it was actually pretty impressive to me but you've you've fiddled with a couple ping pong I call the ping pong ball because that's how they describe it in all the descriptions of the prostate they're like a ping pong ball sized gland that creates the seminal fluid that carries the sperm when you and it's kind of thing exactly and it's up you know and you got to get it I still haven't had my even check that's how freaked out about my ass I am I can do that for you and I'm wait now your assholes barking oh sorry so your vagina is meowing and your asshole is barking stupid dogs outside this is my neighbors I'm sorry jesus fucking christ that's funny so you have done some uh prostate play on your partners oh yeah and others who are not my partners but yes and others so now so when you go in let's talk about the the going in part to walk me through this because I don't know anything about it well it's always best to start with them aroused you don't want to go in cold okay um I always like to use gloves and boy butter lube that's my favorite anal lube um all times hands down but um you want to start with the with like the middle finger because it's the longest and once you get past it oh my god do you want me to close the window yeah yeah surely okay i'll do the let's let's shut your asshole barking i'll make some background music or something doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo michelle closes the window goes a barking assholes doo doo doo doo doo doo rough rough rough we're just about to get into fingering a butthole here comes my Michelle to talk some more my neighbor has a big ass fucking dog she likes to bark at like all hours in the night sometimes just bring them in okay so we got go with the middle finger you're in the middle finger because it's the longest continue you go past the first finger and you'll fill around and you go up towards the belly button and you'll feel I like to call it um a walnut size kind of shape and it's really kind of squishy and soft but you press up on it and and that's where you find it it's about two let's see here it's about I want to say like to the second knuckle D okay well my hands are small so that's about like two two and a half inches in you can find see I thought it was like way back there no it's really not that far okay um about two inches yeah so once you get in there the best thing that you can do is there's like three or four moves that I like to do and I call it the come hither come hither so you know like you're like hey come here little guy come here come here windshield wiper, windshield wiper so back and forth with your finger back and forth okay um and then there's the circle circle circle but you don't want to tap it but you can put pressure on it and then circle circle like a little pressure but it's always good to try to like once you find it you kind of like get on stretched out a little bit and then you come out and you put the second finger in there so it's always good to do the two fingers out really on it so you have more just more access and strength so kind of move around because of the two exactly okay now then when you're doing this are you working the junk at the same time or is do you have your partner work their junk or oh that all that all depends like if i'm with my partner yes my mouth is all over their junk while i'm doing this um if it's if it's like a subby little boy who like I have um strapped down to the table and he's not allowed to touch himself and usher's a hollum not gonna touch himself except for his butt um you know so you can kind of go either way but you can milk it without touching the penis like right jizz will come out right right okay so now we have a good description on on the how-to's which is fabulous now i'm going to go ahead and read tao of me's thing i told him to write like two lines and he wrote like a book so but i'm going to read it because i didn't know what the difference was between a penis orgasm and a prostate orgasm and his uh description was pretty impressive so i'm just gonna go ahead and read it to maybe a minute or so and uh so so this is what it feels like at least to someone like the tao of me so the difference between penis nut and prostate nut well we all know what the penis orgasms feel like so no need to get to detailed there but the prostate but the prostate oh it's a whole body it starts deep in there and waves out from the prostate your whole body shakes for most of us not like a crack baby but as if we were having some sort of seizure like a humpedy dance in the bedroom i love this guy i mean seriously shakes and the pleasure rides over you wave after wave and since the prostate is related to the g-spot you can keep having them like the ladies can have multiple ones the cock tends to be a one and done especially as you get older but prostate orgasm can be had over and over again within just a few minutes i think my record is over 10 in as many minutes and the chemical release tends to be much more intense the amount of oxytocin and dopamine release is serious biz i can easily go into subspace from several p-gasms if i want to and that shit lasts i could go on and on but i'm over the couple lines that you said you were looking for it it's a subject near and dear to my heart and seriously everyone should try it the orgasms are much more intense than the regular one and the chem high lasts much longer and then he gives links and fucking you know how to's and diagrams and you know he's got 400 pegging memes on his on his fat life page i mean this guy is the p-gasm champion and so that's why i was so grateful for him to write this because i had no idea i had no idea that it was different i kind of knew that you pushed on it and just came out but i didn't know that the sensation was super strong it's actually like for the giver right um when you're in there and you're massaging it you can always tell when they're getting close because the actual prostate will start to quiver and and um kind of rock back and forth and that's when you go really like ham just just circle circle circle just like get in there and then like jack them off or suck them off at the same time and um they will explode in your mouth right it is a lot more of uh uh explosion more pressure more pressure in the ejaculation but what i love is to watch them he's right they will just like their whole body just shakes and just like and just like all these spasms in their body head to toe like and eyes rolled back in their in the back of their head and and uh once it just starts to calm down i still just kind of going to still in there just still circle circle back and forth come here there just you know a little bit of pressure until like they like like okay that's it i'm done wow but yeah it's for me it's very enjoyable to watch i absolutely love it so it's kind of the same thing as giving uh a woman a really strong g-spot orgasm where it's that full body is activated and they are engaged and and it's and it's different from just a regular cholidoral orgasm which can of course have its own levels of intensity and some women and it's not necessary and he did say that some of his other things and he went on to say a bunch of other stuff and and that some guys can actually have cock orgasms while having prostate orgasms even if they're not touching the cock and whatever and the separation between the two yeah i i've actually had one guy who you know i had him all like strapped down to the thing and and i didn't touch his cock at all and i was just in there just massaging massaging i felt it start to quiver and i just kind of went a little faster a little faster a little bit more pressure and and he just like his dick exploded and another thing was like his eyes rolled in the back of you know toes curled everything but i didn't touch his cock not once right not once so he still had the uh yeah i guess i thought yeah i still there's a wow that's a that is impressive i gotta say i mean it was just i had no idea and i'm just now picturing a good portion of our uh perverted podcast listeners i know a lot of our guys have emailed and said they were definitely into butt stuff and like the finger and and whatever but for me it's really uh i had no idea i had no idea it doesn't make me curious because i'm just being honest it's not my focus in sex is not my orgasm we all know that i've talked about that i like being the giver i like maintaining my control i don't you know i don't really i'm not that into even the dick orgasm if i can avoid it nine times out of ten i'm happy because i like maintaining that power that's what i get off on right sexually but uh i am surely more of an advocate for men exploring themselves this way be and especially with their partners because obviously a lot of partners want to give their partners pleasure and if this is something that gives that much pleasure and it doesn't sound that difficult to do it honestly it's not and um i do have one tip though for for anyone who has long nails um so get a glove put cotton balls um on the fingers of the gloves and around your finger nose and then put the gloves on and then that'll kind of cushion and protect the nails that way you don't scrape or scratch um the person that you're entering yeah i think anything sharp going up somebody's orifice male or female is just on on yeah just bad just category bad you know protect protect your partners and uh if you have the vanity of nails like you said go ahead and figure out a way to make that knock if you don't want to go to the er with a punctured prostate because no no and pulverina you know pierced your fucking p-sec no and and and trust me i know how much those nails cost and i sure as a hell i'm not going to go and remove two of them just so i can give you a prostate massage no no so this that's how you get around that that is amazing an amazing topic on this new format of perverted podcast getting back to the play getting back to the fun and uh mind me shell thank you so much for jumping in and giving some instruction to some people so they can get in there and have some fun with their partners and from the bottom of tau of me's heart ah i i'm gonna meet this person sometime i don't know if he's local but uh if if he is then god damn it i think you guys would be a love match in heaven i think we would have a lot of chat a lot of fun down in p-town down in p-town well then god damn it might be shell we will talk to you on the next trip thank you boogie thank you for having me yeah we made it to the animal that is the end of show 347 please visit us on patreon.com for our slash perverted podcast and consider becoming a supporter of the show by contributing 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not disgusted by brofinger and brofinger has missed you the listeners have missed you you getting brofinger not just from me but from all of our listeners like let's put the cane in your mouth Kathy i want someone to put the cane in my mouth i'm just i'm i'm a horny as hell okay and but at the same time without getting too into too much detail i am absolutely not in any headspace to actually want to do any kind of thing that puts me within physical proximity of another human being then what about brofinger on a stick cucumber on a stick you don't like food never mind you know i'm starting i'm starting to appreciate the dildo on a stick that's that's things like it might work for me Kathy i would sit in your living room and we could put like a little thing that had like a roller on it and just attach like you go to home depot you can get yourself a 12 foot pb c pipe and then we just literally put it on the end and then we just kind of like set up books and like this whole like intricate across the room thing and then maybe you can text me in the from from the bedroom you know because we'll put up a blanket so we won't see that it's there and you can just text me go and then i'll just kind of you know just slowly back and forth a little bit i could get one of those rumbas and why would i even need you i'm gonna put a dildo on the end of it can you say i think so i just would have to find some tech savvy person to break it open and program it just to go back and forth over the things but it'll be the cleanest spot in the house here on my vagina is the kitchen the room was like i must clean the kitchen i must clean the kitchen like that little robot in wall e look at that Kathy welcome back that is show 347 thank you to headley our glorious show sponsor and all the listeners who give us a reason to just congregate together and bring you the magic that is forverted podcast thank you so much for being here we'll see you guys next week or in two sorry wow first time ever and in honor of the cucumber that has been the theme of the show here now Kathy a duet i don't even think i've ever played this on the show before between the late great fauna and myself we will see you guys on the next time for 348 she waits for her lover to come from the ground to fill her with love when no one's around tending her garden she sings out her song and solution to remedy how she was wronged why do we need that why i asked why the four of their tricks who just found think this plan quite perverted but hard to go for true love deserted it's bigger than all men who have wronged her and it's never ever snores and it stays hard for longer they all make you cry why do we need them who just find beautiful protest soon revolution that's right now cucumbers and we're soon replaced men and we're gonna name the last who just