I just want you to know that I am not I do my best to not be a kink shaming type of guy do my best do my best and there are some people that like to do a lot of p p play and then even drink and you know that's just not my king and I don't want to shame it. But I am glad Kathy dear Catherine Kathy of Catholic O'Lacomani. I am so glad that I am a morning person so glad that I am a morning person because not to get graphic but you know I have to do body fluid management in my living condition. And so so I to make a short story long.
I you know I have my coffee in my seat next to me you know big jug of coffee that I make and I you know mix it with water and then I've my cold coffee throughout the day that I make and then you know I have to dump out my P jug from the night before. So I have that sitting next to me and I get in the car and I'm starting to talk and make up stories and I don't know where I am on an island or whatever some interview and I'm like oh I got coffee and I just reached down. Oh no. And while I'm talking and it's a totally different size jug pick up the jug unscrew the top while I'm talking and go and put my face.
Oh literally unfortunately it's the morning so I'm sharp and alert and I look down and I go that is not the coffee. Oh boogie boogie boogie. And I very very very cautiously screwed the giant lid back onto the P that was two inches from my mouth. Oh my god.
And I put it down and I looked straight like a zombie like a stoic zombie I just looked out the front window realizing what I had almost just done. Oh and five seconds later I started laughing the lot. And then carefully reached for my coffee. That's the type of attention I bring to perverted podcast Kathy that I'm on top of the I'm on my game.
I'm maybe not completely but pretty much enough so. But you're not drinking pee. That I am not but it was close. I'm like oh dude my mouth was like right there and I'm just like and fortunately you know the brain was firing going not coffee.
That's not coffee. That is a junk. I have to tell you that I've lost track of the amount of times I said the following phrase. Oh boogie that's an all time low for you because every time I think the last one was when you I think pee'd yourself or when you accidentally got pee everywhere as you were trying to pee in the middle of the night.
Oh that was Thanksgiving that was my thing. I was intrigued by myself that was a couple years ago I had plenty of fuck ups worse than that. Well yes no I don't know that was a pretty low one but this almost drinking a jug of your own urine is had kept that. Okay boogie it's kept that.
Well that's what I bring that's the that's the level that if you're new to perverted podcast that's the type of show you're gonna get right about now. The following show is for mature audiences only listener discretion is advised and because you are responsible for yourself there won't be another fucking warning. One two three four. The territory.
The third day of the play. The third day of the play. I want to say yeah to that boogey. It was funny.
It was almost horrific and funny. Welcome to perverted podcast the show we explore the the what hello welcome to Per L I was drink I almost drink be this morning hello and welcome to per podcast the show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle sex in perversion as long as it's not Boogie drinking pee. Oh my god recording live and never more grateful than now that boogie is a morning person and was up and bright and bushy tailed and did not. drink is your and i can't be and i am calico and cathe this is going to be a remarkable show well by fluid management was the heading and i i think we can only go up from there i'm hoping i am hoping it will hear something that i think it's kind of fun because you know a lot of people are so happy that you're back and we got a good show today we got sandro we got a nigma you know it's gonna be it's gonna be a really great show you and i have so many conversations i think we had a lovely conversation this morning before the show and i i want some of our listeners to understand is you know we're always at each other's throat and talking shit and what but we had a conversation online and i kinda i copied it i copied it and i kinda want to read it to our listeners so they can understand you know that it's not that we're not always just each other's throats cathy and i do kind of care about each other and there is kind of that's true we're not always hating on each other no we're not always hating on each other and here's a perfect example for the pervert about cast listeners i had posted a picture on fettlight because i had acquired some weird uh...
nipple injury where i'd change my nipple and it was leading so i create this you know ring of to you know paper towels and it keeps the you know shirt off my bleeding nipple which i thought was pretty clever cathy was of course the first to respond hehehehehehehe in her communicative loving supportive of her close friend cathy responds what the hell is going on in that storage unit you homeless mother fucker stop being such a cheap bastard by a bandage and while you're at it why the fuck is your nipple bleeding i know i i know i should feel shame but that is just hilarious i'm sorry to which i respond woman ho you know that well why nipples bleed they get chafed and some droplets of moisture adhere to driving your shirt blouse and then when you move it rich the dried stuff off and now it's bleeding if i didn't stop it i could bleed to death through my nipple i couldn't find a bandaid and i had to act fast before i passed out which i thought was a rational explanation cathy of course lovingly response what a drama queen hehehehehehehe who bleeds to death from their nipple like you could feel the fucking sarcasm to which i respond just because your expired knockers are blowing dust from lack of use doesn't mean my succulent manuscript aren't flowing with life and thus in danger of death by milk duck orifice bleeding it's a thing at the thing can you respond how dare you to mean my knockers they've got plenty of life left in them mister to which i reply not the way you're being stingy with them you got to milk them others if you want the butter now my michelle jumps in hehehehehehehe maybe he needs a broad because it never happens to me Kathy immediately jumps in and support. Exactly. Thank you, girl. They have become Roddy going on now.
It's man-hating time. Then path girl, Jimson. Boogie, what the hell did you do to your nipple? Geez.
Hashtag can't unsee that. At which point? I felt this conversation was no longer moving in a positive direction. And stopped on the day.
At that point, you felt it wasn't moving positive? At that point, I felt like I was being gay enough on. And because I had lost so much blood through my nipple, I had to walk away. I had to walk away.
So that's how you and I communicate off the air. So just to be clear, anybody listening, can view that themselves on FETlife. That's where you had posted it, right? Yes, yeah, that's where it is.
So I'm going to have to open your brow. Was that an example of how you and I don't hate on each other? Yeah. Yeah, we don't have a lot of good examples.
That's about as nice as we get. Well, all our good examples happen privately. We're rather ashamed of us being nice to each other. So we don't often talk about that or do it publicly.
We just, what? Hey, hey, hey, hey. Go go. You got an image.
I got a reputation, mama. I just, honestly, I was seriously concerned. Because my, I guess my nipples are encased in a bra and they just don't bleed. I just never had that.
Well, I guess not, have you ever gone braless where you just have the shirt kind of rubbing against the nipple for a while and then eventually it chafes. And so it starts it and you're like, ah shit, that's irritating. And then all of a sudden, if a little bit of blood comes out, then it sticks to the shirt while you're sitting there. And then you move the shirt and it's like a band-aid.
It just rips open the thing and now you're bleeding a lot. But that's not normal. Yeah, it's kind of normal. No, it's absolutely not.
Maybe it's because it's cold and your skin gets dry. And you always wear that tank top and you know. That perky nipple thing, you know, because I do have succulent perky nipples and maybe that's a, you know, that's just one of the drawbacks of being so hot. Succulent, huh?
Succulents, meaning they want to, you used to constantly want to suck my nipples, but they're just adiosly sensitive and no. So. Well, that's a new for you. They're just for the universe.
My man-looms are for the universe. Pinky won't news is sometimes cool and sometimes fuck up. Let's glory hold the planet right now with the nigma. Yeah.
Oh, you magical beast of non-burden. I'll take that. That sounds like a delightful beast of non-burden. You are a beast of non-burden, goddamnit enigma, because I enjoy every time that we hang out to get.
And especially today, as we will be talking about something that may make some people a little cringe, but some people very, very titillated and excited. But first, what's going on with you? Any plans? Oh, how can I forget?
How can I forget the praise that I must keep upon ye? Oh, enigma, ye and thine maple together with the fuck box was an amazing demo. Thank you. Thank you.
I was only slightly, what you didn't do anything. It was only slightly jealous making of me, because I own that box for a while. And of course, it brought me back. That fuck box 1000 was actually fees in the beginning.
She had it from her other stuff, and she's like, I don't use this here. And I'm like, a fucking machine, of course. And it is the clonkiest, most awkward machine, but it does the job as we heard. Yes, it does the job.
And you said I didn't do anything. I did have to have one hand on the box to keep it still. And then the other hand on the dildo to keep it inside of my partner. So I was an active participant in this fuck machine.
It is true. I forgot that machine in part, some of the ones that they make, the fancy ones that they make, are literally just you just sit there with the control and enjoy the faces that your partner makes while the machine does the work. But yes, the fuck box 3000, you pretty much, I had to lay on it. I remember I was on a table and the partner was there, and it was going in there, and it was clonkin.
And then I had kind of just laid on it so I could get some other hand motion going. It's definitely. I had to sort of lay on it one point because I was kind of exerting myself. So I started to sweat, and then the sweat started to get in my eye.
And so I had to lean down so I could keep my arm on the box and then wipe the sweat out of my eye with my hands. It was definitely a process. But it was amazing. And for those of you perverted podcast listeners who were just tuning in for the first time to our show, if you go to the last episode, 3.49, you can hear the magical fuck box demo.
And if you are a patron subscriber, we actually, it was actually a 15 minute video, or video, I'm sorry, audio. And so you get the longer version of the magic. The only thing I will spoil alert the best part is when you said, she's like, oh, this is good. Yeah, okay, this is going good.
And you're like, do you want to go faster? And she's like, yeah. And you click that thing and it's you just hear clon, clon, clon, clon. And her reaction, she just goes, whoa.
I almost fucking died, dude. Oh, the reaction with the facial expression was just absolutely delightful in person. It was absolutely really cool. So 3.49, if you haven't heard it.
And if you want the long version, you can support us on Patreon. But this week, Enigma, you and I are going to get into a topic that I love this. This is because it's fun to play with. Well, let's just get into it.
Why don't you go ahead and give us an end to our topic. All right, our topic comes from the website, mindbodygreen.com. And if you want a link to our articles, they can be found on our Discord server or on our FETlife group. So this article is called An Expert Guide to Cliftersings, Procedures, Risks, and Photos.
Don't worry, these photos aren't explicit, but they are kind of, you know, they give you the idea. So clear placing seems pretty extreme, but they are much more common than you might think. They are done for many reasons, but this article covers the things you need to know before jumping into it. First, you need to figure out where you want the piercings done.
The external and piercable part of the clit is usually quite small. So a lot of the piercings that are labeled under the umbrella of clit piercing are placed on or around the clit itself, including, and I found this pretty entertaining, the clitoral version of the Prince Albert, the Princess Diana. Yes. Not sure either one of those royalty would appreciate the reference, but there you go.
If you're unfamiliar with the Prince Albert is a piercing that goes usually along the vein underneath the penis. Right. So the piercing might improve or add sensation during sexual activity, but either direct simulation or simply the movement of the piercing can assist in stimulation after your pierced. And you need to know to be sure to go to a trained, and if possible, certified piercings.
This is one of those piercings. You don't want to get wrong. Yeah, yeah, this isn't like, oh, my ear got infected. I'll take it out and put some rubbing alcohol on it.
This can be bad. Right. Typically, like if you're getting a nose piercing or an ear piercing, that's cartilage, and that's going to close up pretty quickly. But especially because of the healing time for these, it can be almost two months.
That's two months of not fucking. That's two months of not fucking with that area at all. And if it's done wrong, the healing time could be even longer. You could be, for a nipple piercing, it's almost six months of not touching it.
So if you do it wrong on a clip piercing, that you could go much longer without being able to do anything with that area. The bottom line is- There is only one enigma. There is only one benefit of that. OK.
And that is six months of hard anal. That would, yes. You would be like, well, I guess we can't use a pen enough. Yes.
I mean, you want the piercing. You are in charge of your own body. So it's hard anal for you. Or we can go back to when Maple and I were first talking to each other and it could go into very good oral or hand job, like very good cockworship, sort of fun.
You could definitely do that. Or you could just go to a certified professional and have healing time be a little bit easier. Right. Or we're definitely doing it right.
So the bottom line is a clip piercing of whatever kind can be super fun. Add some edge to yourself and your sexual expression. Just make sure it's done well, safely, and with a clear head. Bravo, bravo.
Thank you. A fine article. And it is a good article because it does give some good graphs. It's more like animated pictures of the graph.
And it does share a little more detail of how it's going to look and whether you're piercing through the hood or something. I mean, there are some that actually do go through the clip and that's insanity. Just I don't have a clip. But if I did, I probably wouldn't be doing that.
So first off, bravo to anyone who wants to make a modification improvement to their body, whatever your reason is, as long as it's positive. Obviously, if it gives you power, arousal, the potential for more arousal, which in some cases that does occur. Or if it's just a look that you like for yourself, you absolutely have the right to do whatever you want with your body. Hopefully, you're coming from a good place mentally.
And if that's the case, that's absolutely fantastic. So let's get into some preferences. So I'll start with you and Nick, and I have you ever experienced because I have the lovely hood piercing or clip piercing. I, yes, I have.
Not too terribly often, but I have played with a couple of clear precincts. It definitely adds a little bit of extra fun to the sensations that the bottom can get. A lot of times, especially if it's kind of one of the more pronounced piercings, you can put the vibrator or play with just lightly the piercing itself. And that's going to give a lot of sensation.
It vibrates into the whole, the whole clitoris body, because a lot of people, if you're unaware, the clitoris is actually a lot bigger than a lot of people know. So if you're adding a little bit of vibration, that goes into the clip itself. That vibration is actually going to get spread out a lot further. So yeah, I've only played with it a couple of times, and it's definitely an interesting addition to the play.
I like it. I have a love-hate relationship with clip piercings and nipple piercings and tongue piercings, for that matter. Aesthetically, I'm not a super fan of it. Play-wise, there are a lot of things, especially when you get like a clip and nipple.
You can do a lot of things, and we'll talk about some of those in a second. The only thing I don't really like about the clip piercing, it is fun to play with absolutely. But like orally, I do not like clanking metal against my teeth. I just don't like it.
I just, it's kind of fun at first, and then you're like, oh yeah, yeah. And especially if it makes my partner feel good, then of course I'm going to be supportive of that. But I will say, after a few minutes, I'm going like, like, like, like, like, and me just sitting there going, how much is this going to cost me at the dentist? I have horrible teeth.
I'm just going to be like, like, like, like, like, and then just pieces of teeth are just shooting out, you know? And I'm like, oh, I'm glad you're having a great time. That's a $800 root canal I'm going to have to get now. But so it's not, you know, once again, I'm kind of give or take, obviously, if it makes my partner feel real good about themselves, then that's their body to deal with.
But visually, I'm not, you know, a super big fan of it, because, you know, I'm all purity, whatever, that's my hangup. But as far as things to play, like you said, absolutely a vibrator on it. And once again, it's not a guarantee that you're going to get the extra sensation with it. For some people, it does, it's the same as nipple piercings.
It's not a guarantee. Some people get really responsive after getting that procedure done. And some people, it's kind of ambivalent. But then, of course, there is the risk, and especially in nipple piercings, it actually deadens the sensations for some.
So there is some risk that not only will it not increase the sensations, but it might actually interfere with some of your sensations. But for the people that it does increase their sensations, oh boy, is it fun to torment them? You talked about putting the vibrator on top of it. That's an amazing thing.
If you want to do temperature play, I wouldn't recommend heat. You can do like a blow dryer, and then, you know, put a little heat on it, but ice cubes, for sure. If you put ice cubes on it, that will chill the metal all the way through, and it's a little deeper and more internal. With the freezing, my thing is, one of the fun things to do is you tie a little string around it.
And then you can literally go, because you know me, I'm big on the anal hook pulls and standing, you know, being across the room and how far can you get away from somebody while still being connected to them. You know, you could do something. I haven't done this. I've done this with needles.
I've done whole like making harps out of needle play, but you can run string through rings at various places, and then just literally tie that off to the clip piercing if you can get both ends, it around both ends, and then literally just sit at the end of the room and just tug it while your partner's tied up. And that could be surely a lot of fun just making them squirm that way. So I definitely think it's a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun.
And I would think that somebody who's done this has done, I think typically done other kinds of piercings. And I think I have seen a really, really cool, like you were talking about kind of chains that connect, like if their nipples are pierced, you can connect the nipples and the clip together and maybe put that around some sort of collar or gag. So like their movements are sent through all of their piercings and all of the chain. Like if they pick their head up at all, like it tugs on all three at once.
Like you can definitely add some power dynamic play to these kinds of piercings that is incredibly simple. It's one of those things where you don't have to actually put a lot of, like, guess there's gonna be some time letting everything heal, but you don't necessarily have to get like, you know, become like Iver to make things, these things become really, really fun and some sort of kinky, sexy way. Absolutely. And of course, in any time that you're gonna be playing or pinching or twisting, of course you remember that it is a solid metal, a solid object that is not as forgiving and flexible as flesh.
So if you're twisting something hard against something that's softer, you can pinch, you can cut, you know, so obviously you're gonna be careful, take some time, learn some things. There's people that do this type of play on a regular basis because they're all pierced up. But in general, I'm gonna say, if it's something that you're really drawn towards other than the safety issues and making sure that you take the best care of your body while you do it, I think, you know, go for it. Yeah, this definitely isn't if you're saying I would do a drunk at En Vegas.
So definitely do it, don't do that. Wake up and you're like, wait a minute. Why does my pussy hurt? I don't understand.
That hurts and it's cold and I, that is, great segments didn't make me squirm as much as if we would have said, you know, taking a railroad spike and piercing nut sacks into a board. We could do that next time. Next time railroad spikes through the nut sack into a board. I feel like that's more of my Michelle conversation than me conversation.
Probably, but you know, she's probably done something similar. I know that exactly, exactly. Well, and Nick, my thank you very much. And if people once again want to get ahold of us at Provertive Podcast, where do they go?
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FETLife is the place where unicorns play but then they fuck each other in the ass with their horns cause that's the kind of freaky shit that happens on FETLife. For your peace of mind, please know the author of every post we talk about has specifically granted as permission to do so. And today, it's been quite a while since we read a post by the ferret. I knew you were going to make that noise.
Fair wrote a post called The Markers of My Seduction in which he says, sent is what roots me to my livers. Which is why when I start fantasizing about someone, I invariably imagine the distinct sense of their bodies, even though I have no way of knowing what they're like. I imagine the scent of her skin as I brush back her hair with my fingertips and bury my face in the nape of her neck. I imagine the scent of her shoulders as we ride naked on the bed.
I imagine the scent as I rest my cheek on her bare thigh, my face inches from her pussy. And lastly, I imagine the scent of a warm hotel bed after a night's rest, the most of us curled up on the covers and of waking up from the nostrils first with my eyes closed and my muscles relaxed, realizing that we'll have to have each other again before the morning is ended. Ooh, my nipples are chapped, I mean perky. You know, I got an o-ring I can create so they don't get bleeding.
They just, I'll try to tell them about it, but it'll work, and nipple berries, it's a nipple gasket, a nap, a nap, a nap, a nap, a nap, a nap, just whatever. I like this, it's interesting that we're gonna, it's the human body show today on Burberry Podcast. I like this post as a person that is not into odors because I have a hypersensitive smell. So a lot of odors become very overwhelming to me, and that's been a problem with me, and a lot of my lovers, not just with my lovers, but it's been a problem with me on not wanting to be anywhere near somebody if I'm dirty or, you know, even slightly any funk or whatever, like I get very self-conscious about it because my sense of smell is so, so I figure everyone must have the sensitivity that I have.
So this is, it's always interesting to me when people are like, oh, I love the smell of, you know, the sex or this person. And not, you know, to the point where it's overly, you know, crazy, but just people like sense, and it's just always been very strange to me. Right. I tend to feel same way, I don't, I started looking at it completely different, though I am into sense, I love sense.
It's just that I have a very strong line beyond which, a very strong barrier to entry, which so I don't enter into the scent club, but that doesn't mean I don't like sense or I'm not into sense. It's just that my barrier to entry is a lot lower than people who are just fanatically into human body odor of any kind. So I, that distinct line, I'm just like you, makes it very difficult with my partners because they can get offended or they don't understand. And case in point, my ex-girlfriend had anosmia.
Anosmia is a lack of smell. She literally could not smell anything. I mean, you put her nose up against it, she couldn't smell it, everything she did was a little taste. Needless to say, she loved going down on me.
And we didn't matter where I had taken a shower that morning, or the night before, it's a hurry, did it matter at all. So I had the reverse problem with her where she could not care less what I smelled like. Right. But I read this post and thought, what the hell are boogieing I gonna talk about?
Because neither one of us are into scents. And I had to totally turn my opinion around because that's absolutely not true. We are, it's just that our barrier to entry, excuse me, our threshold is a lot lower than other people's. The kind of sense that I like, I can count maybe on both my hands and that's about it.
And I have a definite point beyond which I don't like going. But before I hit that line, holy fuck, scent is everything and scent of someone that I'm physically attracted to can send me over the edge. And it immediately makes my body perk up, my imagination perk up, and I am there. And you can actually get me to do a lot of things that I normally wouldn't do because that goes straight to my brain, that particular scent, and will make me put me in such an open mood that it turns around every opportunity that I thought I had.
And when I realized that I thought, you know, fuck it, I am into scents. It's just that I may not be into all the scents that you motherfuckers are. I think it's a wonderful thing that you talked about what happens in the mind. Because once again, perverted podcast, we're not experts on anything.
You can figure that out within 20 seconds listening to the show. But we do take on topics and then we go study it and then we talk about some shit and then hopefully you go and study it more. So I did go and study the Olfactory Center, which is the part of your brain that processes odors and scents and then how your brain interprets that in response to that. And I've read these studies before that the Olfactory nerve is also connected to the amygdala, which has a lot of responsibility for some of those sexual traits.
It's not all of it and then it gets into the hippocampus cup like whatever shit. So if you have a new role, the hippocampus, I can never pronounce that. But goo la oblongada. So obviously if we have some neuro physicists or whatever, you can write us at pervertedpodcast at gmail.com and tell us what idiots I am.
I like how I pluralize me being more than one idiot. So those two centers are actually very closely related to each other in distance. And so of course, if you have people, like we talk all the time about Hollywood daddy because he is our person that is very attracted to scents. He loves armpit odors, all the odors.
And when he talks about it, it's very primal. And he's like, mammals have been greeting each other by sniffing each other's ass for millions of years. It is part of how we interpret things. And then our nose has been trained away from recognizing a lot of these scents and stuff like that.
And so he's very super indecent. And what they've discovered, what some of the discovery is, is that since those areas are so close, if one person tends to have more pathways crisscrossing those centers, then there is more arousal that happens. And that's a possibility of what people with like strong foot fetishes and things like that, that these are possibilities. They're still doing a lot of research on it.
But in general, there is some brain science to why some people are more attracted to odors than others. Now what I was wondering is, well, does that count for like carrots and lemons? Because why is it just feet and armpits that get people aroused? Are there people that are attracted that get a boner when they smell a good carrot?
I agree with you. Scent is not just sexual for me. It does obviously go into other areas. I can still to this day remember what it felt like when I was in Italy with my sister and we could smell people burning leaves.
It immediately puts me in a calm, relaxed, languid, happy frame of mind. I can remember what the croissants smelled like in the morning when they were delivered to our door, that smell of buttery yeast. And it can, like a switch, put me in a different frame of mind. And the same is true if I'm with someone male or female who is wearing leather and I'm kissing them and I can smell their cheek and their, the nape of their neck.
That mixes with the leather. And for some reason, the smell of leather and someone's skin combined kind of imprints me to them. I can't, imprints them on my brain. I can't stop thinking about wanting to be near them and naked against them.
And I don't know why those particular companies, and I could go on about sexual smells and what they do for me. But I don't know what it is about those sense that make those reactions happen any more than I know why my genetics mean that, I have this body type or the whatever that's going on with my brain or my body. So I just make note of them. I like them when they happen.
And the list of things that are offensive to me in the older world are bigger than the ones that I enjoy when it comes to sexuality. But that doesn't mean I don't like sense. I got a theory I'm going to throw out, Kathy. Give me a theory, buddy.
Got a theory. And especially hearing you talk about Italy and how those sense created a peaceful feeling or whatever. Now then what we do know, which I do, I have studied a lot of, is the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous system, which is fight or flight, feed and breed, freeze all the ones that they have. So your smell is there as part of your survival to let you know what is in your environment.
You can't see something, but you can smell it. So you can, in nature, you can smell a predator. You can smell prey. You can smell certain types of berries.
You can smell poisonous berries. And all of those things create a trigger for that fight or flight response. So obviously a lot of people have not been eaten alive or beaten to death by a buttery Italian croissant. So your mind, when it smells that, it says this is a food you like and it inspires that homeostasis, which is your resting space.
So you can enjoy your buttery croissant and in regards to like sexuality, maybe with like the leather and the flesh, because you have so many memories, like you are a leather-dike lover. There is no doubt that that is Cathy's jam, because you have those two things together, your, that smell triggers your brain into either sexuality relaxation or if it's a smell that, obviously if we smell gas, that's gonna ignite a different response because we're like, hey, we could die, we could be a fire. Right. So I think as we go more, I really do like the Hollywood daddy idea about purging your instincts to get away from smells.
And that's what's so great about going to nature for a while, where there's not millions of smells and chemicals and plastics and this food and that food. When you go into nature, it then goes back to those rudimentary natural smells. And I think your brain after a while of being in nature can kind of reprogram itself to actually recognize things more. Yeah.
I understand the mechanics of the sympathetic nervous system, the parasympathetic nervous system. And I get it, I especially lately since, you know, the terrible year that my sister and I have had, it has made us delve into why we're so sensitive and has had me researching the whole sensitivity, why, and that's not just, oh, you're being sensitive, the people who said in the pejorative, as if it's a bad thing, you're supposed to be sensitive. It used to keep you alive in the caveman days. It's true, it's a genetic thing to be extra sensitive.
It's not something that I created, I'm not a weak person for doing it. But it's, ever since that has happened, my sister and I, in addition to all the work we've been doing through therapy and other ways to get through this, is that we bring into our house the things that bring us that comfort, that enact the parasympathetic nervous system. The jasmine flowers that are in our yard, that for some reason, immediately put a smile on our face. And I, just this morning before, we were gonna get on, I thought, I have enough time before I got to record with Boogie.
Let me go in the backyard, and I started cutting huge swaths of this beautiful jasmine, to bring inside and the whole house smells of it. And it immediately puts us in a great mood when you need it, when you are fighting trauma, when you are fighting your own mind that is trying to bring to the forefront on your mind terrible things that have happened, sent is absolutely something that comes to my rescue and her rescue. And so, and it does not stop with food or with just making us feel calmer. It absolutely travels into the area of interpersonal relationships and sexuality and being intimate with other people.
Look at that, we actually sound sort of coherent. I know, what the fuck, what happened? PervertedPodcasts.gmail.com, if you have other points of view on this amazing and wonderful topic of smells and stuff like that. And especially, there's tons of research online, and we encourage you to get to that.
It was a good time, good time thinking about sniffers. Hahaha. I'm gonna get a sexy. I'm gonna get some of my.
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Oh my good, it's been a while since you've been on the show. Yeah, I think at least a year. At least a year people have been asking about you. You are our favorite predicament bondage person.
Oh, yes, I haven't really been asking. You're actually our only predicament bondage person that we have on the show. But yeah, people love you and it's been so much fun. It's always you and I've been friends for years and years and years.
So it's always fun when we get to hang out. You just shot some video, by the way, for everyone that is joining pervert of podcast new. This is Sandra from traineesandtrouble.com. You are a predicament bondage expert and you shoot lots of video of said predicament bondage.
Right, I don't wanna like rain on your parade. I guess predicament. I would say more like damsel and distress bondage, but there is no- Well, that's a predicament isn't it? It is.
I mean, for me, like the typical scenario is, someone gets tied up and they get robbed and they get left in a hotel room. Well, isn't that how it normally is supposed to be? Isn't that how it should just go? Except there should be some play in there.
There is usually some play. People get mess with a little, but they always end up alone in a motel room tied up in gag. As you do. Yeah, as you do.
Usually a crappy motel room. There's a few favorite ones here in the valley that I shoot in all the time. And I just don't want them to find out what I'm doing because I wanna come back and keep shooting. I mean, if you've been there enough times, do they recognize you when you come in?
Oh yeah, there's one. Every time I come in, they go, oh hi. See, look, they don't care. I don't think so.
As long as you're not making noise and breaking stuff and leaving all sorts of crazy fluids all over the place. Right, there's only been a couple times, that's one of my biggest fears, there's been a couple times when the front desk called up and said, oh hey, the neighbors said they were hearing some noises and I would say something like, oh, I'm so sorry, my boyfriend's here. We'll keep it down and, you know, right, they'll laugh. Yeah, no worries.
They'll laugh. Yeah, that's one of my biggest fears is having someone come to the door knocking on the door. You know, what's going on in there when some cross dresser is tied up on the bed? Yeah, yeah.
All right, you know, I just, at a CD motel, Sandra, I'm pretty sure they've seen that. Yeah, they may have. I'm sure they've seen everything there. So I mean, from suicides in the closet, to trans tied up on the bed, I'm pretty sure it's a flexible funhouse.
Right. Yeah, I'm sure they've seen a lot. So now when you shoot, you just shot with somebody. So it was pretty much like a damsel in distress.
Were you tied up or were they tied up? No, I was just, I was some couple friends in Vegas and shot a few scenes there. That was really low pressure, because these are just friends. So we're just hanging out.
I was doing the shooting though, so I was not tied up. So you just got to be the little creeper warrior. Yeah, right. I was the photographer and I am, I have a shoot coming up this week though, where I am going to get tied up.
And that's, I'm really looking forward to that, shooting with a new photographer, rigor who has a lot of experience. So I'm looking forward to that. It has a potential to be a really good one. I think as far as like job descriptions go, you know, probably not the worst job.
Yeah, doing what I'm doing, running a bondage website for cross-dresseders and trans girls, it's, yeah, it's pretty good. I mean, it's a lot of work. It can be high pressure. There's times that I'm really stressed out before shoot because you know, you go in with this feeling like, can I pull this off and make it work?
So there is that ongoing stress, but it's, I've been doing it for 19 years. So I want to get to 20 and then see what's next. So I'll probably just, if I make it to 20, I'll probably just be 21, 22. 20 and 22, all right.
All right, any accidents or? It sounds good though. Like when we were like, oh, when we hit show 300, you know, that's gonna be, and it's like now we're 350 and we're like, yeah, you keep going, but at least you know, have a little celebration. You put in a lot of time on something.
You made a lot of people happy. A lot of people have been to traineesintrouble.com. Notice how I keep throwing that in there because I'm a good marketer for my friends. Yeah.
I appreciate it. A lot of people have enjoyed what you've done. It's been a specialty niche niche. Yeah, either one.
Either one. I think in French it's niche. Niche. Okay, well, of course we want to be fancy.
Right. So that's not to be, that's to be pretentious. That's, well, because you know me, you know, hanging out in a Starbucks parking lot to record a fucking a nice creepy podcast. But I did have some questions because I thought this would be good.
This to me is going to be one of the greatest segments because you're a long time friend of mine. We've known each other for years. And I was actually able to find a topic. Usually your emotional arc is pretty stable.
You're pretty stable in your emotional arc. There's not, you know, you're a great straight character. I love you as a straight character. But I asked you to do a topic with me that I feel that I finally got some emotional, judgy, self-righteous arc out of Sandra finally.
And it tickles me to no end. And so we're gonna talk about that. And I asked you, I thought, hey, you know, Sandra, traineesintrouble.com. You know, you host teas, you know, the cross-dresser party.
You probably have a lot of information for people who are interested in first-time cross-dressing. You know, maybe they don't know. And I'm like, who am I, you know, that's a good topic to cover on the show. And I sent you this email with this great idea.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can be a little, I can be a little judgy just because I hear from so many people. And I do have quite a few tips.
I'm not the greatest cross-dresser in the world, but I'm pretty good. But yeah, I do hear from people. And the thing that drives me crazy is when, you know, someone wants to dress, but they won't make any effort to about it. And so I can't be pretty judgmental.
So it's like, I'll hear from, like, for cross-dressing, if you're just getting into it, it doesn't have to be real fancy or anything. You don't have to look like a drag queen on RuPaul. But there are basic things you have to do. And I think the first thing is you gotta shave your entire body.
And I understand some people can't do that. Right. You do as much as you can and shave the sideburns off. That drives me crazy.
It's like, you know, if you're a guy and you wanna be a cross-dresser, just, you don't need the sideburns anymore. You know, it's, you have to, there's certain things you have to jettison and that's one of them you have to get rid of. But Sandra, what if, what if the guy is a beard model? Like he's a beard model, but you know, and he's gonna lose his livelihood, but he just really, really wants to explore his female empowerment side and wants, you know, what are you gonna do, man?
Well, you can, you don't have to shave the beard, but you gotta shave your body. I mean, or just don't get into it at all. I mean, some people have limits. I understand that some people you can't do it, or if you're in a relationship where your partner doesn't want you to shave their body, but I would always, I would always say, you know, sometimes you have to look at a relationship.
If someone doesn't want you to pursue something that's gonna make you happy, you have to question, is that the right relationship? Or are there things that need to be examined there? So, I do agree with that. And we're, let's talk a little bit about that.
But let's just say they're willing to meet Sandra's requirements, shave the body and no sideburns. You can have a big fat goatee hanging right off the middle, draped over your breasts, but no, no sideburns. So let's just say, I don't know about the goatee. I mean, you're not gonna be on my website.
You have to goatee. But, you know, you can, sometimes someone will pay me to meet with them for the evening and help dress them up and tie them up. You know, that requires a fee, of course. But, so you can, if you wanna wear a goatee, that's fine.
But to be on my website, you do the photography. Now you have to, you gotta go for it. You gotta put in the effort. So let's just say, and most of the people I shoot with are cross dressers or trans girls who, you know, they have a lot of experience putting a look together and they've been doing this for a while.
So it's really hard to take someone who has no experience and just really make them look great. You know, if they're like 22 years old and like slender, that's another story. But let's just say, all of the judgment aside, I like how I'm being the defender now. All of the judgment aside, of course there is the pinnacle that you would go for, which is full body shave, you know, that you can look the part, then you put in that effort to look as good as you can.
But at the basics, like what are some of the, like where do you get oversized shoes? Like if guys' feet are bigger, like are there special places that you get shoes or should you go to like thrift stores or, like I don't know why thrift stores would have big high heels. I don't know why I even said that sounds completely stupid. Yeah, they don't.
They won't hit the bone ammo. Like yeah, go to a thrift store. I'm like, no, you can go to thrift store for dresses. And maybe get some large size dresses, but for like shoes and stuff, if you want to wear shoes, where would you go for that?
Yeah, there's a lot of places online. There's a place, like pleaser brand heels, a lot of cross dresses where those and they tend to have a larger sizes. So yeah, getting the big heels isn't that hard. You know, just doing Google searches a lot.
And there are stores that cater to cross dressers and trans people. And like there's one in their online glamour boutique and they're really small. I've shopped from them a lot over the years, but that's, they cater to cross dressers. There's a stocking place in Florida, stockingshowcase.com that I like a lot of really nice people and a lot of cross dressers buy from them.
They have the shiny hose. So there's lots of stuff online you can order. And you know, along the same lines of just dressing, one of the mistakes I made when I was starting out is, yeah, I just waited too long. I felt like I had to really know how to do it.
And just that hesitation, like, well, I don't know makeup. So I'll wait. I'm not really there yet. But there's so much you can do to get started.
And it doesn't have to be super fancy. There's tons of YouTube tutorials online and there's things you can buy without spending a ton of money. And the best way to do it is just start experimenting and doing some dressing. Right, absolutely.
So in as far as dresses and stuff like that, like we said, if you want to go on the down low, you know, obviously there's places that you can go online. And of course, the makeup tutorials, like that's a whole like from TikTok to YouTube to any, there is a ton of that are cross dresser and trans specific, you know, on how to do that. And dare I say, even ones that teach you to put makeup over and around the sideburns that Sandra would absolutely not approve of. But if you're going to do it, you know, do it.
Now then I had a question, a real quick one, on what your opinion is, because now I know from the time of being around you and your tea party and threshold where there's a lot of cross dressing and trans. I know some of the trans, because of not wanting to have their family know that they're a cross dresser, they'll like get a storage unit or a special place to keep their clothes, to keep their stuff. Yeah, absolutely. A lot of people do that.
I've, there was a, yeah, there was a store here in the valley that they used to do that. They would have lockers you could rent and store your stuff there, you know, catering to the cross dressers mostly. Yeah, because obviously having it in your trunk, you know, a lot of people, they get in an accident, the cops pull them over, you know, and what's this? It's a size 13 fucking heel.
You know, there's, there's ways if you want to be discreet about it, you know, in a perfect world, everyone would be able to just be themselves, do what they do and fuck anyone that doesn't like it. But if you are in a position to where you're worried about your job or your family finding out or your friends or whatever, then you do have to kind of consider how to be discreet at this point, you know, with, with what you're doing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah. It's a real shame. I mean, I've often thought that if, if everyone who is into cross dressing suddenly was out of the closet, I mean, it would really change society and our attitudes towards it. It's just really, it can just be really soul crushing if you're in a relationship where you have to keep it hidden.
I know people who are married at the end for 20 years and their wife doesn't know and they must never know and just want to burden that must be. Yeah, that's something. I mean, I was thinking about that because obviously on the show and in the lifestyle that you and I have been a part of for a long time, you a lot longer than me, you know, the goal is on its communication with your partners and acceptance. And even if there's things where there's disagreements, you work through it and you find that that place where you can allow each other to be.
And that all sounds great. That sounds great. And for me, that is a must. I cannot, I cannot be in a relationship with somebody that I have to hide who I am.
I'll hide it from their family. I don't, you know, 90% of the women that I've dated, their family never even knew I was alive. So that doesn't bother me, but my partner, you're my partner. I need to have that, you know, ability to be honest about what I'm into with you.
But then there's that side that, yeah, that's me. But what if it's like family and deep rooted in your religions and, you know, you're tied in with houses and property and finances, you know, like I can kind of get my head around the fact that some people are like, Hey, I can't tell my family, but it it's got to suck. Yeah, it's got to totally suck. And I think sometimes people can surprise you and they can deal with it better than you might think.
Like my mom, for example, really did not like that I was into this. I in fact, I knew she would take it so badly that I took the cowards away and my dad was much more open minded. And I had him tell her about my dressing. I said, you know, mom's going to hate this.
And I was right. She did not like it for about two years. And if I told her, she probably would have screamed at me, but, um, but, you know, I should have been brave enough to tell her myself, but I didn't. So, um, but eventually, you know, she accepted as much as you can, eventually, at least she did.
Right. And, um, so sometimes people can surprise you and sometimes it can just be a shit show. And, you know, yeah. And that is something that you have to kind of weigh those risks.
And once again, I don't want to recommend people be dishonest in their relationships, but I have to say I understand that there are individuals, you know, because maybe you develop this desire, you know, 10, 12 years into your relationship, you know, maybe this isn't something you've always been like, if you come into a relationship and you know, you're a certain way and you hide that from your partner, I think that's unethical and misrepresenting yourself to your partner, which is just going to create problems later. Right. But if it's something that you're like, wow, I'm really, as I change, I'm, my sexuality is evolving. You know, my desires are evolving.
You know, I can understand that you're in a relationship with someone that, you know, this is going to end poorly. And then you just kind of got to, you know, weigh the risks. You know, what do you have to lose about this? But ultimately, if it's something that you can do and enjoy and, and especially if you have a partner that's supportive of that, then you don't have to go through any of this hiding mumble jumbo and you can just focus on, you know, living up to Sandra's expectations of shaving your body and your, your cyber is completely off.
Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, if you're across to a part of your job is you got to keep shaving your body and it never ends.
Well, let me tell you something, Sandra, as I'm not really, well, I cross dress. I wore a lot of dresses and skirts and stuff in my twenties and I look pretty goddamn hot, you know, and I had my long flowing mohawk and it was a look and I didn't wear underwear on stage and women were grabbing my dick. So I'm like, this is a win. This is an absolute win.
Um, but I shave my body, like my arms are shaved right now. I shave my armpits. I shave, you know, I don't, I just don't like hair. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't either. Yeah. That's cool.
So I'm totally, yeah, I'm totally with you on the shaving thing. But, you know, like I said, if you're a beard model or maybe you're a gay man, that's a bear model. Maybe that's, that's your whole gig. Is that your hairy then, you know, you just got to make it work.
Right. You just got to make it work. Yeah. You won't be on traineesintrouble.com, but you can hopefully have a great time being yourself.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, everyone should embrace who they aren't. Have fun with it. And, you know, my, my hangup about shaving the body.
That's my problem. But it's not your preference to allow to have your preference. Yeah. I mean, certainly for doing the photography, I'm doing it.
It's required. I mean, you can, you can someone could wear long sleeves. There's ways around it. And I've done that a few times, but that's not ideal.
Sandra, I love the fact that you are you. I love your choices. I love talking to you. You have fantastic experiences.
And thank you so much for being with us for a little bit today. Oh, thank you, Boogie. It's always great hearing from you. And yeah, we've been friends for a long time.
I appreciate it. Traineesintrouble.com No more we leave for you, Boogie. Keep that jug away from you in the morning. That is the end of the show.
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