You're own personal headling. Someone that's monster to show, help in a scroll, and just for headling. Oh my god, Kathy, I smell steak. Uh oh, what does that mean?
It doesn't mean I'm having a stroke. I mean, I actually literally smell steak. I'm literally like 100 yards from Outback Steakhouse. Ah.
And it's just wafting. There is a wafting of cooking dead meat. Wow. But do you know what that means, Kathy?
I, no, tell me. I have out of it. I'm out of it. Thanks for joining me on this.
It means I'm not in the f***ing library. Ah, yes, that is one of the things it means. Now I'm getting excited. We're here, we're in a parking lot.
It's open. I get to beat me and you get to be you. Oh my god. I smell steak and I feel visceral and alive, Kathy, Katherine and I am alive right now.
Okay. Did I mention I brew my own coffee by the jug in storage? Cause I'm alive. I believe it.
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And because you are responsible for yourself, there won't be another f***ing warning. One, two, three, four. We feel your sex life is quite grim. We feel your body.
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What the f*** is that from? They did that in the 50s, didn't they? It was something. It was some sci-fi, whatever.
But I thought there was like a cartoon or something that did like smell vision and it was in some movie or something like that where, well, there was like, wasn't it like fucking Brave New World or something? Where you put your hand on the thing and it enhanced your, your experience watching the move. Oh my God, that does smell good. Oh my God, I have such a stake boner right now.
Oh my God, I did not need to hear that. God, oh my God. Did I mention that's the name of my new punk band, the Sugar Snakes? Oh my God.
I'm going to start a punk band and Dave Grohl's going to play drums because you know, he's mourning, you know, he's kind of dealing with what he's going to do in the future. So he needs some time, but he's going to want to get back into music. So I'm like, Dave, Dave Grohl, holler, we're going to start the Sugar Stakes. And it's going to be just like a campy punk band.
But he's going to play drums. I've already decided, you know why we're called the Sugar Stakes, Kathy? I'm sure you're going to tell me. Because bitches need that sweet dick.
Oh my God. Why did I wake up this morning just so I could do the show tonight? You know what? I am.
You want to be a groupie of the Sugar Dicks? I cannot think of anything more to Stakes than being one of your groupies. Sure, Sugar Stakes. I'm sorry, not the Sugar Dicks.
That's the after effect. That's the groupie effect. You can't, you know, you probably couldn't get away with calling it the Sugar Dicks on major market radio. I'm sure he's going to call you right back and say, yeah, but let's get on that.
Dave, he's going to first adjust his hair because he does that because Dave doesn't understand what bangs are. And so he's constantly like adjusting his hair. He's like, hey, man, I'm Dave Grohl, adjust, adjust. And then he's going to call and he's going to be all booed.
You're right, man. I'm just not ready to get back and do the thing with the Foo Fighters. You know, they got to figure out, like, you got to replace Taylor Hawkins, dude. That guy was not a shit drummer was not a shit drummer.
So that's a big thing. And then of course, figuring out what you're going to do moving ahead. You know, so maybe he's got to ease back in. He still wants to play because I don't want to talk, Kathy.
Uh huh. I just want to be in like a garage band, but I want to do it with Dave Grohl because I think I relate to him and I think he relates to me. And so I have hooky songs. So I just think the Sugar Stakes.
Did I mention I drink a lot of coffee today? Yes, you did. And we can all tell that you have had a tremendous amount of caffeine today. Well, that's good because Kathy today is an exciting show that one of our topics is about the potential pitfalls of overindulgence of things.
Is that a segue? In the mind altering area. In the mind altering area. Who would have ever thought that drugs and alcohol and a sexual environment would ever potentially have problems with those kids?
I know. What do they think of what? What do they think of next? But we're going to get into that in a little bit.
But Kathy, what is going on with you? I really can't say that there is a lot going on, except that a couple of weeks ago I rediscovered my vibrator, as I said in the last show. And since then I've been having a lot of fun. We did get it.
I forgot who emailed us and said I can't believe Kathy actually forgot she had the lead the series. I mean, really, I get it. It's right there in my little goodie drawer next to my bed. You would think that I wouldn't forget.
But I just started using the old hand for such a long time that I just had completely forgotten about it. So but the rest assured podcast listeners, I shall not forget I will be diligent in using my vibrator from now on. So I've been having a whole lot of fun late at night. I can't say the same is true for the daytime hours, but there's always that to look forward.
But you do have the evening. Now, are you pouring it up when you do? Are you just using your imagination? Because women are more about feeling sometime.
I do point it up. I'm not going to lie. I do check out the online library of porn. There's a lot to choose from and I will go to my favorite spots and check out what's going on.
Okay. So what's your current little titillation that's getting you going? Currently it's a lot of femdom. Okay.
Like, you know, I ping pong back and forth between femdom put those motherfuckers in their place and whack their balls kind of porn. And then back to the I'm on my knees, you know, sucking some guys dick because he's making me kind of porn. Okay. I go back and forth between the two.
Kathy, you have a you have a spectrum that is healthy. I think that's that's you go from both sides. And I think that really builds a sex positive relationship between you, your Lilo and your porn. Am I labia?
Yeah. And your labia. Well, you know, that I'm sure is included. Do you like give little tugs?
Are you a labia tugger? I am a labia tugger. Yes. I like tugging other people's labia and I like tugging my own.
Do you make little sounds when you tug like ding, ding? You know what, Boogie, I'm not, I don't think it's going to come as a shock to anybody listening, but that totally would turn me off. So no, I do make little noise. Really?
You don't want doorbell, you're labia? Oh, good gracious, really. You've never done that to someone you're out. Ding dong.
I let me in. I let the door. Do you want to let me in? Ding dong.
Like you're put like the old school doorbells where you pulled the big chain outside the vampire mansion. Ding dong. No. You know, you're like anti porn.
I just a little bit of talking to you about sugar steaks and ding dong labia and my any arousal I fear just feels it disappears on you. Well, that's because the sun's up and you said you don't masturbate during the day. So I have at least another hour that I can be me. And then once it once the sun goes down, I'll be all, hey Kathy.
Yeah. You're a good girl, aren't you? Yeah. Stop it.
Why you have to ruin everything? It is my way. I have had a good week though, sort of kind of. I had not much, but I did admit to Hathor, my therapist, that our time together was basically considered by me to be our Plutonic Date Day.
And that went well. She didn't even blink an eye. Probably because I put the word Plutonic in front of it. I'm sure that she's very used to you by now.
But should you really be joking around with your therapist like that? Well, yeah. Because that's, that's, I need to know my therapist as a human. I, if I've had therapists that will give you know, they like robot you.
And every time, and I'm not asking personal information, I'm not asking her about her sexuality or dating life or you know, family history or you know, what her, her relationships like or whatever. But just like little things like, oh, you know, I went to the beach. We, you know, it's, you know, nice day. I like the color blue.
I love bacon. You know, like, surfacey things let me know that I'm talking to a human. Because if I'm not talking to a human, I talk to myself 24 hours a day. I don't need, why am I, you know what I mean?
Why am I sitting with this person? I could literally go watch a fucking YouTube video about positive thinking and read a psychology book. But if I'm there with a therapist, it's kind of like I want some sort of human interaction. So I make a lot of jokes.
Okay. And wait a minute, I was going to say something about that, but I kind of don't remember. Yeah, coffee's sake. That's, I think that one on show days you should probably not have someone.
I just, I maybe I was a little overzealous in the amount of coffee that I poured into the filter. Usually you shouldn't have to like top off the filter. Oh my God. Yeah.
But also I have to say, and I won't say why, but we had a special listener request that I just have to hit now because I'll forget the special song request. And this goes out to you know who. A request when the listeners want it, they get it. They get it.
Oh my God. When the listeners want anal, they should get it, Kathy. That's right. Just hit old old feel vision right there on your keyboard.
Right next to smell vision and don't hit smell. Like when you're doing anal. No, just be safe. Oh my God.
That could go bad. Very bad. That could go bad so quick. Sometimes love is less than nice.
You may need. No, forget. No, Kathy. Let's stop everything right now because grammar Nazi Kathy has to correct me.
What did I say wrong, Kathy? She's like, you are joking when you say platonic, right? And I'm like, what do you mean joking? Well, obviously you would joke because that's not how do you say platonic, Kathy?
Platonic. Oh, Jesus fucking kill yourself, Christ. Are you kidding me? It's not Pluto.
Whatever it is. It's like being on another planet when you can't fuck someone. So buy you. Oh my God.
That's your region, man. Your region. We're not precise. We don't have license.
We are not always nice, but we're here. If you need some fucking advice. All right. So I'm not going to say this person's name.
Somebody wrote to us, but they did use their real name. And even though they didn't say I could use it, I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't want me to use their real name, which I shall not. But they did write to us and although this is like a passive, is that like a passive aggressive? It is not passive.
It's a long winded explanation. Is that a passive aggressive like you failed to identify whether or not we could use your name? So now I'm just going to gently be like, it's okay that you didn't say we could use your real name. I'm not going.
Isn't that what passive aggressive is? It would be if that's what I was doing, but I think I'm being overly careful and making sure everyone knows, even if you fuck up, I will not out you. See, that's the passive. You're not you're assuming the fuck up.
Okay. Nevermind. Oh my God. Too much caffeine, boogie.
Okay. Okay. Platatonic. Okay.
Pluto. All right. And you and I have been known for on occasion, having strongly strong feeling emotions about certain posts. So I think this is a good stuff.
I mean, vice whether they want advice or not, I think you and I are going to give it to them, boogie. Let's do it, bitch. All right. This is what he said about a week ago.
I went to my first orgy. Now, it wasn't so much an orgy as a birthday party with food and drinking and fun. Then during the party, someone who wasn't the host had some very strong alcohol that was known to have some hallucinogenic properties. Now, I'm going to interrupt here to be clear.
Someone at the party that there was alcohol at this party, but somebody who attended the party had brought absence with them. Absence. Right. Right.
Right. Right. Which I studied. Okay.
We'll get to that one. He made it very clear that this was the case and he spoke with anybody who was going to partake beforehand. The night seemed to go off fine without a hitch, skip forward a few days and there was a post on Facebook about how two of the people said that they thought they may have been drugged at the party. From what I gathered from the post, no violations occurred.
However, the reactions and the attack for the person whose party it was were frustrating to read to say the least. As a result of this incident, the person who threw the party had shut down their Facebook. Now, as far as I can tell, everybody who was at the party was fully aware there was going to be drinking, that there was going to be people walking around naked and that there was going to be sexual activity occurring. The person who hosted the party made sure that everyone was aware of the risks and that there would be consensual kick.
If anyone was drugged, whoever did that deserves incredibly harsh consequences. That being said, to everybody who attacked this person for having alcohol at their house, their party and their orgy, I feel like they also deserve a swift kick in the rub. The person hosting that party was in no way at fault as far as I can see. And while I know mixing alcohol and kink is dangerous, I feel this falls under risk-aware consensual kink.
If no one was drugged, then this was two people who had a bad reaction to alcohol. If someone was drugged, we need to find out who that person was. But it shouldn't fall on the person hosting the party and they should not be attacked that way. Well, I told you, well, yes, strongly worded.
That was, I do love the strongly worded stuff. It gets us, gets our blood burland. Burland blood, that's what we got. It's Berlin.
It's Berlin. Now, fortunately, before I wrote all my aggressive notes and then I'm like, you know, okay, we're going to record today. So I'm like, I'm going to go back and reread it and see what there is. And then I saw that this person had given more information because I kind of give a little response and said, hey, you know, this sounds like this and this, but we don't have all the information.
We never have all the information. So when we speak, we're always going to speak as people that take things at face value and so to avoid our accountability. So what we're speaking on in general can almost be mythical because we weren't there. So we're speaking about a hypothetical situation.
Does that make sense? Uh-huh. Every now and again, I got to say that. But it was fortunate because this person added more information of the things and protocols that were in place at the party.
There were colored wristbands because I had all these questions, you know, from the first email that would have made the host look like they kind of missed the mark on some things, which I still believe in some ways. But there were extra progress. I'm like, well, what about the sex? What about if you're going to serve alcohol at a party and it's going to be your party, your party before people drink.
Did people negotiate who was going to touch you? Because once you get drunk, you can't, you can't make your consent while you're drunk. You have to do that beforehand if you're going to drink and play. Right.
But they said that there was a wristband system and people had red wristbands, meaning don't touch me at all. And then they had different colored wristbands for their different willingness to be involved, which I think is a good thing. It's not an absolute thing, but it is a good precaution. They also had a safe room where people got a little overwhelmed or they had drank too much.
There was a safe place where there was no sex allowed where people could lie down, you know, if they were a little too hammered or whatever. And they also had made arrangements for people to get rides home if they had drank too much, which I think all of these things together are your best case scenario if you are going to be dumb enough to have a drunk in order to add your house. But I think you did the best and I'll let you jump in because I have some more specific things I'll talk about in a second. I have what's usually the unpopular opinion, Boogie, that people need to be responsible for themselves up to a certain point.
And that's the line where everybody seems to jump on everyone else because that line is different for everybody. I happen to believe that as adults, we should be able to determine for ourselves if we want to drink and play. I think personally, that's an incredibly stupid move to make. But I am not going to run around pointing my fingers at people saying, you're not allowed to do this.
You are a bad person. You should be called on this. You should be ostracized from the community. Huge difference between my judgment that that was a bonehead move.
And I'm going to tell you what you should do from now on and be attacked along with everybody else on the internet. So yeah, I think it's not a smart thing to do. But if you're going to do it from everything that this person told us, I cannot imagine that there's one thing that you could do more to keep everybody safe. You put wristbands on everybody.
You let them tell everyone what they want for that night. You make a safe room. You make sure that people are aware. You talk to them beforehand.
There's a limit to the responsibility that one adult should take for another adult's actions. It does not in any way, in any way, shape or form mean that I am victim blaming or telling someone that they got what they deserved. It is an atrocity in this modern time that we're living that I can't voice that opinion without people jumping all the way to the other end of the spectrum and saying you're victim blaming. It is possible to take responsibility for poor choices while at the same time placing 100% of the blame where it belongs on someone who violated you, who attacked you, who did something that they should not have done that nobody gave the permission to do.
It's possible to hold that person 100% responsible at the same time saying, you know, next time I'm not going to walk down a dark alley at night. And so I'm sorry, but I think that in this case, the person who threw the party, if what we have read is the truth, they did what they were due diligence. They did what they were supposed to do. And I think it's very easy for the masses of people online to just absolutely jump to conclusions and jump on somebody else and derive them and do the bullshit, the horrible shit that people do online because they are under the guy, under the anonymity that their computer screen gives them.
I'm absolutely on board with you on this. I am absolutely on board with you. So of course I want to flesh out more details. I am absolutely on board with you with the difference between the responsibility of the assailant and the responsibility of the victim.
And they are two different things. I totally agree with you. There is 100% responsibility for any assault on the person who is doing the assaulting. But I think people get confused when they want to completely absolve any responsibility of the victim taking precautions to limit the opportunities that people have access to you.
And under what conditions they have access to you, there is plenty of information out there for years and years and years. Bring a friend to a party with you if you're going to drink, have these things in place. Don't go to certain places because there are people who we don't know who can do your harm. I have that responsibility for myself.
I've talked many times on the show. There are certain places I do not go as a grown big fat man that I don't go. It's the opportunities that you give people. That's what you have a responsibility to yourself for.
It doesn't mean that you have any responsibility in the attack that occurred. So I'm totally on that page with you. That being said, in regards to the party host, even in your best case scenario, doing all your due diligence, all of the things in place, it's still your party. And people are still getting drunk at your party.
So are the wristbands being, now this is a situation where there's no reported sexual assault. This is just people that said they feel they might have been drugged. So I was kind of confused about what the uproar is, because these are two different situations. If no one was raped and no one was assaulted.
In this day and age, you don't need to have proof. All you have to have is someone even raise their hand and say, I think I may have been drugged, which was what happened in this case, to have every fucking asshole on the internet jump on this fucking dog pile and say, you horrible person, how could you allow that person to be raped? Sure. And no one was.
And then I forbid someone says, wait, does something really happen? You're horrible person. You're a victim, Blamer. Right.
Well, I mean, we have that aspect of our society that is very active and very codependent on that victim mentality. And once again, if we can, what are we going to get in trouble for? We're going to do fucking take my car. We're allowed to have a fucking opinion.
And the opinion is, is that everyone has fucking responsibility. And that if you get in trouble, if you get hurt, no matter what, somebody has a responsibility. But in the same way, if you have a party, where people you are bringing people into your house, no matter what, you're the commander in chief in that you have a responsibility. Maybe there's something you missed.
Maybe you did all the due diligence you can. Ultimately, it's still your house. It's still your fucking party. These are still your guests.
You have you have some responsibility because you allowed that party to happen. So and once again, there's a what do you mean by responsibility? What do you mean by responsibility legal responsibility? Well, I'm not I'm not the legal.
I'm surely not a lawyer. So I don't have any comment on that. I'm talking about your responsibility going forward, your responsibility to yourself and to your party guests, how that accountability works out. And once again, we don't even know what it was.
I studied absent because I never drank that shit. It's a rumored hallucinogenic alcohol because it has wormwood and like this shit that it used to be illegal. It's a whole fucking weird history around it. It basically tastes like fucking pain thinner and they put sugar cubes and shit and it's fancy whatever.
2007, it was made legal again as long as they regulate the supposed hallucinogenic element, which is a stuff in wormwood called third through Joan A or the Joan or phone or whatever. But there's never been any proof that it's actually hallucinogen. But the alcohol is super strong. It's like 150 proof alcohol or a 75% and up percent of alcohol.
And alcohol has hallucinating hallucinogenic properties in it. I hallucinated on just strong alcohol at times in my life. So maybe these people because the person said, oh, this is hallucinogenic alcohol, these people might have just got really super drunk and then thought they had been drugged. But the actual absence, actually, there's no proof that it makes you any it's just that it's super fucking strong.
Does that make sense? It does. And yeah, but I don't know that I do agree with you that party hosts have a certain responsibility. I tend to have a very strict line on where that responsibility ends.
But what about see, because the thing where I say there's a responsibility, it was said that the host was not the person providing the absence. That somebody was at the party and said, Hey, here's this other alcohol. My questions would be, um, did the host know that somebody at his party was now offering some super crazy strong alcohol to people who had already been drinking? That's the responsibility that I talk about.
Yeah, but I I wouldn't I wouldn't agree that that I certainly would not agree. That's my responsibility. If I have a party and I provide alcohol and I tell the people you can bring your own alcohol if you want, because I'm certainly not going to shell out for the expensive to keel and whiskey, bring that shit yourself. And they bring something and they're offering alcohol and I'm offering alcohol.
Um, I'm not going to take responsibility because someone brought a 110 proof bottle of tequila versus my little shard and eight. Okay. Yeah, I just I don't I don't agree that. And I guess what I didn't if I had a house that let's say I had a big house and I have a party and I say, you know, no holds hard.
This is an orgy. We're gonna have alcohol, you know, lots of dark rooms. You can go in a room and nobody will ever know that you're in there. The door can be closed.
I'm not putting any ban on any kind of type of play. If you want to fire play, that's fine with me. Party's going to go on until as long as you want. There will be no dungeon monitors and no wrist bands.
And that's it. Um, yeah, that's not a good party host. You're not doing what you can to make the atmosphere safe. Okay, but you have a different alcohol than I have.
That is a very blurry line and not something that I would say. So I guess I guess what we're talking here is I'm talking about the overall responsibility. I'm not talking about a consequence though. I'm talking.
I don't know what the level of, uh, you know, reflection that the party host needs to do. I don't know what the level of vetting was at that party. You have a wristband. How do you manage drunk people with wristbands?
People with the wristbands were put on when you're sober. But now all of a sudden you have people that are not sober and they're wearing wristbands. We already fucking know that once people start getting hammered, they start acting very different. So at what point are you managing everyone with their wristbands?
No matter what, when you start getting into like legal issues and stuff like that, they're saying, how do you manage that? Yeah. Is there a responsibility? Who's responsible?
Do you have people? Do you have a monitor in each room? Do you have, you know, there are, you can literally go from zero to a thousand protocols in place. And what is, if somebody has a bad time, you and I are of the thing like, hey, I think the guy did enough and risk-aware consensual kink.
Sorry, it went bad for you. Yeah, I agree. But is there a risk? I don't know.
I don't know. Once again, we weren't at that party. Right. And I wouldn't have a party like that.
So that's all I'm saying. There's absolutely no way that I would ever have a party in my home where there was going to be any kind of sexual or kink activity and alcohol. No way. Because that's my own personal.
I don't want to take responsibility for that. But if I go to a party in which someone has decided they want that in their house, that's still risk-aware as far as I'm concerned. There's no difference between a regular party that is not sex and kink-centered and people having alcohol behaving badly. There's no difference as far as I'm concerned, because it was an orgy doesn't mean that you have to be held accountable to a higher standard than other people.
If you're at my part, I mean, I know this from being a teenager and throwing parties when my mother wasn't at home. You take keys when people walk in your house, if there's going to be drinking and you don't hand those keys back unless they're sober. Right. What about having alcohol allowed at a club where there's sex and kink allowed?
Who's responsible? It does the club have any? You're a party host. You're an entity.
It depends. It depends. It depends. Who owns the property?
Who's taking the money? We're talking legally here because as an example, I will say that there have been in the past two clubs here in the San Fernando Valley. One threshold that has ridiculous protocols up the ass, all kinds of rules. But they used to allow drinking.
They used to allow parties that are drinking. Well, yeah, but let's not talk about that because that was a small period of time when that was allowed. For the most part, threshold does not allow alcohol and they are hyper-vigilant to the point where I think it's getting ridiculous. But that doesn't matter.
For the sake of our argument, they are hyper-vigilant. This other club, which is now closed, was almost the opposite, the polar opposite of threshold. There were very few rules you could bring as much alcohol as you want. They didn't sell it.
There were no dungeon monitors. That facility operated for years without any legal problems, without any problems that we heard of in the community. Nobody got raped. There were general accusations of non-conceptual activity.
But there were accusations of non-conceptual activity at threshold also. So when you put the two together, you realize that they both had the same problems, the same issues that any facility who is hosting kink and sex events. That's just the way it's going to be. If you were to use these two as an example and say one is better than the other, I don't think that you could.
Because if you were to write down everything, the problems that they all had and the successes that they both had, I think that they would come off pretty even. So you tell me, you have to have some fucking balls to charge money and allow alcohol in your facility. And there are people out there who have those balls. They know how to run it.
They know how to just stand in a room and make sure that people are fucking following their rules and not doing any bullshit. If you're that type of person, you want to take responsibility. I'm sorry, but this community and frankly this planet needs people with balls. Go ahead and have your fucking parties and allow it.
You're going to have to take the responsibility and there's some who don't. I fall under the category of those who don't. There's no way I would allow alcohol in any one of my parties where there was going to be kink and sex. I am well, I mean, I'm sober.
And once again, but I, but well, I'm sober, but I have had my own private gatherings with two or three of my partners where I let them get drunk and, you know, we do our role plays and, you know, all our horrible, awful fucking role plays. So, but once again, and maybe we can debate responsibility or what that even means, but ultimately when shit goes down, they are going to come after the person that is running the party. Absolifft and Luely, they will. So whether or not we agree that they, that it should have been just considered risk aware and if nobody was actually assaulted, then sorry, you drank too much.
And if you hadn't, and if you didn't go get tested for some, because once again, was it the absinthe or was it some other drug? And if it was some other drug, then okay, well, you should get tested to see if there was some other drug. And then that's like the poster said, that's, that's a whole different story. I don't know.
Yeah, and I mean, we've been taking a lot of, this is a long segment we have here. And I think that the reason for that is that it's a conversation that needs to happen, and they don't happen anywhere. You can't have a calm, a decent conversation about this topic, because look, look at the poster. He writes that the guy who had this party had to shut down his Facebook page because people were getting so ridiculous and accusing him of telling him, we're not gonna listen to anything you say, you're responsible.
How could you do this? You're a monster, you're a bad person. This conversation needs to happen. And it is a tricky conversation.
It is difficult to have it. Tempers are going to run high. Fastly different opinions are going to come out, and friendships are going to break up because of this. This is how volatile this issue is.
But this conversation needs to happen. And it's just appalling to me that it doesn't happen more often because it absolutely needs to happen. Information needs to get out there whether you agree or disagree with what someone is saying. That information needs to be in a forum where people can weigh in and listen and make up their own minds.
And it just doesn't happen. So I'm not, I hope that we don't have to edit this down because I know we have other things. No, I ain't not even shit, bitch. We're digging it.
You're my bro, my hobo. Oh my God. Oh bro, bro, finger. What the hell's going on here?
Well, whatever. We just say our truth. And if there's other truths and absolutely pervertipotgmail.com, let's keep these conversations going. What are your opinions?
What are your thoughts? Let's jump in. Let's have these discussions. Kathy and I don't always agree, but we don't segregate against each other either.
We'll sit in the room and segregate you. I will never segregate from you whether I agree with you or not. I want to know what your opinions are. It's a good topic, good segment, and hopefully things work out for the host of the party and everyone involved.
A birdie podcast listener segue. Damn, that was pretty good intro. Look, I mean storage. I can play guitar now.
Okay, it's my turn to record and smoke math. Kind of like the old way we used to do shows. I'm hot spotting from storage because I can't fucking deal with the library anymore. I just can't.
Okay, the data. Five horizon. You fucking win. They always do.
Take the money. I'm coming from my delicious new ready-built dungeon. That's right. You have a barn or something.
Yeah, I have an upper barn, a hayloft, as it were. It's now, I would say, a better looking hayloft part partially dungeon. I mean, there's carpet remnants on the floor. There's a massage table.
Yeah, and there's cool lighting that I can change. We decided to name a bit. We'll be the Slept Dragon Den. The Slept Dragon Den?
Yeah. I got to say, I was kind of just hoping you would call it the hayloft because that sounds creepier. I know, but Slept Dragon Den is pretty good. Yeah, you got to get the girls in first and then you're like, you got to be like, oh, by the way, it's super creepy out here.
Because to be honest, getting out here, lots of people are like, I thought I was going to be killed. I'm like, he's still my. That's why I'm saying the hayloft. You're just standing at the door in like coveralls with your zipper open and your dick hanging out and you're like, welcome to the hayloft.
Let's get kinky. Sign here for a pre-made on it. So, yes, like you need more lighting for the Slept Dragon Den. Oh, I've got it.
Okay. Yeah, there's I have pretty high-tech color changing bulbs that I can tell Google to change and yeah, it's pretty sweet up here. Google Slept Lighting, go! Actually, yeah.
Yeah, I can change it to have the TV come on and it plays my dungeon mix and the lights change red and came on. The doors lock and seal and wow. Yeah. And we tested it like my fiance, she was screaming.
We had her scream and our friend was standing across the road. Nothing. See, we have no neighbors. That's the other thing.
Well, that helps. That helps if you're going to have kinky screaming events. Yeah. Well, I don't know what no events yet.
I don't think it's safe enough. So you haven't broken in the Slept Dragon. I have. I have.
I have. Okay, good. Good. Good.
Good. Why else would you be on the goddamn show? Yeah. Because they're gonna be my fucking sex that we're gonna talk about.
It's gonna be somebody else's. So what did you do in the Slept Dragon then? Well, I figured we were talking about her today, but you know, I brought her up. She was a partner of mine, a former partner.
And we did like we built a fort. We built a little blanket fort, you know, because I love those little. Yeah, I got actually I have two scar marks on my feet from Rugburn. So that was a good lesson learned about the carpeting there.
On the tops of your feet? Yeah. Yeah. That's from doggy style.
Yeah. Actually, doggy style on a carpet. Say bam, that's sex bird right there, bitch. You got it.
Damn, dude. That's pretty good. But yeah, I sprayed it open. And you know, I at the time I was like shit, I think I'm fucking up my feet.
But you know, you know, it's not who cares. Okay. I know there are many a lady that have those spinal bump fucking Rugburn scars for life. And they're like, no, I was in a jacuzzi and it was hot.
And I skidded down the side or any number of things that fool no one. Yeah, we know you know, no one. Do we see at least on a mat while you pounded her? She was on pillows, I think is what happened.
But like, I guess she said something and that made me like, you know, mad with the air quotes in the air. So it's like, right? It's on. Let's go time.
Oh, you know, rats. Yeah, rats. Rats got to be taken down a notch. Yep.
And if it costs daddy some bloody fucking feet, then so be it. Yeah, I don't care. But yeah, I fuck that one up to the back way. Well, I mean, you know, all good things must come to an end uncle creepy.
Well, they didn't have to. And I think that's why we're here, right? That's probably the discussion we're going to have. And before we go into this discussion, because you and I have discussed this topic specifically before, and we're going to obviously talk about how to avoid things and dealing with those fears and whatever.
But I think what you went through is not uncommon. Yeah, it's not uncommon. And that's I think why it's going to be such a good topic to cover. So why don't you go ahead and paint a picture?
Now then we have this yummy girl that you can bring to the sled dragon dungeon then. Yeah. So and do all these things with so how did we fuck that up? Well, long story short, I I I I manned up, I walked up to her and I was like, hey, I get these feelings.
Can we go out on a date? Yep, we did. We went and saw a concert. It was fucking badass.
I fell hard. I fell fast. Like everything was great. My current partner, my fiance had only one stipulation.
And that's for all of our partners, you know, that we meet that when we fuck, I got to put a condom on. And you know, uncle creepy doesn't want to have any mini creepy. So I got a mastectomy. I got the old sniparoonie.
Yeah, so now I'm firing blanks. And you know, and I hate robbers. Everybody does. They're terrible.
But I just I ignored my fiance's one request. I fucked her twice without a condom. And you know, I wasn't worried about STs or anything she had actually had a blood test and all that stuff prior to that. But it it didn't matter.
I lost sight of who I was and the honesty that had gotten me to this position. And you know, I went and saw the new Spider-Man movie and you know, and with great power comes great responsibility was the line. And that night I told my fiance and she flipped at rightly so. So what had happened is she she was very upset.
And we talked about it at length actually in this dungeon where I'm sitting. And was like, okay, well, I'm gonna go deal with this. And she then eventually spoke to her therapist. And the therapist suggested two weeks no contact with with this person for on my end.
Right. Right. And so I explained it to her, my partner, the girl I see the new one yet. And she didn't take it well.
Two weeks no contact didn't work. No. And she she ended it. And that was that.
And I fucked it up. I mean, it was if I had just waited to either have sex till the fiance was okay with it. Or I just put a fucking condom on a deal with it. Right.
I did. So I wrote some good. Yeah. Well, you know, I've ruined, I've ruined a few things in in in my days too.
So, so once again, the positives, you you were honest and out of yourself, I actually had this same instance with with Mew and Bunny. And Bunny and I and Mew had separated our actual relationship. You know, we were all fluid bonded in the relationship obviously. And then of course sex with anybody else that we brought in to the love lab, we use condoms.
I actually, I like condoms. I, you know, I don't like them, but they're, you know, I'm weird about fluids and stuff. It's cleaner to me. And I don't come anyway.
So, but I can't say I don't like just taking my girls without a condom because there is a primal nature to that. And then of course, for me, you know, with the erectile dysfunction that I encounter that sometimes the condom will literally, you're not even going to get the half of your dick in if you have to put a condom on it. So, so there are surely obstacles to condoms and that gets in your head. So we had ended our thing officially as far as like a full time relationship.
But you know, Bunny was still coming over on occasion for some lovey dovey time. And so of course, I had, you know, there was a moment where I was worried about that losing that direction with Bunny. And I had sex with her without a condom. And that was Mew's rule that anyone were not in a relationship with including Bunny that I have to use a condom with.
And I, uh, including previously, including, yeah, yeah, obviously, yeah, because they had gone away. Have they been with somebody else? Oh, yeah. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, we haven't got all that stuff worked out.
And I did the same thing and, uh, and had to own up to a Mew about it. And that was, that was right. I think it was a little less rough because it was a former partner that we were all in a relationship with. But it's, it's still, there's so many things here that I want to look at.
There's one, the new partner. Um, I don't think it's surprising that someone would leave. I don't know. Was this person new to polyamory?
Um, no, um, she had about two months ago, she had, um, gotten out of a rather terrible relationship with one of those guys that was poly and name, you know, it was like, I just, I say I'm poly, but it's just so I can sleep around. And, um, so, you know, and I, I had talked to her at least a month before we even had any sort of physical contact. Um, and it just was, I think she expected a lot for me. And when I just was like, you know what, I want this wild and crazy shit to happen.
You know, it had been, it had been almost two years since I've had a sex with anyone else. And it was just like, fuck it. You know, the problems are almost three feet away from me in this little bucket. I'm wondering.
That is a long distance with the dick is right. That's right. When she is like, when she's staring at you and it's like, come on, fuck me, fuck me. And I'm just like, okay, god damn it, you know, yep.
So I don't know. I just should have, it was the worst part is it's like a week later, um, I would have been totally fine. It would have been perfectly fine. Um, yeah.
Well, I mean, you triggered the new partner I can understand because bringing that in, all of a sudden brings up her fears. Like this was never, you guys probably never had your shit right before, especially if she was in a toxic relationship where the poly wasn't really solid, you know, and it was like poly for show or something like that. It probably brought up a bunch of that stuff that you were the same as the last thing that she dealt with. And she's like, I don't even want to deal with this.
Cause if you guys don't have what you're doing down together, then I just, I don't want to be a part of that. Yeah. You know, so it might be her response to that, which is totally understandable considering what she had been to. Otherwise, if she hadn't been somebody that was into poly, then it might be like a guilt thing.
I knew I shouldn't have done this. I knew there's no such thing as poly. Nobody would be okay with this. I got manipulated into having cheating sex.
Yeah. Cause we're programmed socially to that. Exactly. Yeah.
So it's understandable that she would go. And it's also understandable that your, your partner would get really upset because we still have that programming that it's like, come on, I'm letting you fuck other people and society is constantly telling me that I'm not supposed to do that. So I'm being pretty cool. Damn, you know, that's basically spot on what my fiance had said.
She's like, I'm letting you fuck other women. And the one rule I gave you, you fuck up. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, it's understandable.