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EPISODE · Aug 19, 2025 · 2H 36M

359 — Why Your Heart — Not Your Brain — is the Real Master With Rollin McCraty

from Spirit Gym with Paul Chek · host Paul Chek

There have been countless arguments throughout millennia among great thinkers and scholars debating what organ in our body really runs the show. Is it the brain that stores our thoughts and information that drives our human spirit or our hearts that not only pump blood throughout our bodies but guide our feelings and emotions?Rollin McCraty, executive VP and director of research for the HeartMath Institute, describes how our energetic hearts allow us to connect to our deeper selves and the world via a consciousness upgrade this week on Spirit Gym.Learn more about Rollin’s work at the HeartMath Institute website and on social media via Facebook here and here, YouTube and Instagram. Download a free copy of Science of the Heart: Exploring the Role of the Heart in Human Performance Volume 2 at this link.Timestamps4:40 Rollin’s early career in the military (learning missile systems) mirrored Paul’s experience working on helicopters.11:00 A curious Rollin asks questions his college professors couldn’t be bothered to answer.18:20 HeartMath founder Doc Lew Childre meets Rollin for the first time.24:13 A series of transformations.28:44 The energetic heart and the spiritual heart.36:16 “Of course, DNA is an antenna.”43:36 The main message of HeartMath aligns with Rollin’s spiritual philosophy.52:03 Have you changed your world paradigms lately?1:07:01 How do you describe coherence?1:12:05 Heart rate variability: The most reflective measurement of a person’s emotional state.1:17:52 The vagus nerve connection.1:28:04 Love as the organizing intelligence that informs our physical reality.1:31:07 Love as a spectrum of frequencies.1:42:47 How the heart informs our emotional experiences.1:46:20 What separates us from our pets.1:52:33 Water, electromagnetic fields and the human heartbeat.ResourcesHeart Intelligence: Connecting with the Heart’s Intuitive Guidance for Effective Choices and Solutions by Doc Lew Childre, Deborah Rozman, Howard Matin and Rollin McCratyFind more resources for this episode on our website.Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as BearsAll Rights Reserved MusicFit Records 2024Thanks to our awesome sponsors:PaleovalleyBIOptimizers US and BIOptimizers UK PAUL15Organifi CHEK20Wild PasturesPique LifeSpirit GymCHEK InstituteWe may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.

There have been countless arguments throughout millennia among great thinkers and scholars debating what organ in our body really runs the show. Is it the brain that stores our thoughts and information that drives our human spirit or our hearts that not only pump blood throughout our bodies but guide our feelings and emotions? Rollin McCraty, executive VP and director of research for the HeartMath Institute, describes how our energetic hearts allow us to connect to our deeper selves and the w...

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