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Aug 21, 2010 2 hr 51 min

#36 - Eddie Bravo

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My mother and mother and mother I'm like fuck you and I'll fuck you Say the virus, baby, I'll screw you Say every word and I'll die for you But you don't understand my shit I'm gonna show the bad stuff Fuck you don't have any extra There's no one for me That's a good goddamn song That is the first time I heard that song Isn't it great? The first time I heard it and it got me I love it, yeah Even it's just a video, if you ever see the video It's just words and it's just words But yeah, if you get into the words You know what, I really, I'm masterpiece I'm not into soulful music like that usually But that's a good song, I'm already thinking about like remix it into like a disturbed or Ladies and gentlemen, this podcast sponsored once Always every time by the podcast, by the fleshlight On a, it's Saturday This is an impromptu podcast we decided to put together And Brian just threw on that song and said you have to listen to it It was so good just listening to the first couple seconds of it That we had to play the whole thing I fucking love that dude, maybe we first heard this song crazy Yeah, that was badass song, I remember that Oh shit, that's the whole Barclays God damn, see whatever his name is now I remember when B.J. Pan, I forget who he was fighting I think he was fighting Matt Hughes, but he came out to that crazy song And I was like, God damn that's a good song C.Lo Green is his name from N.R.S. Barkley I guess I think it's gonna bleep it out or change the word But you know what I don't think they need to do anymore, radio is dead Yeah, you know, the people that are on radio right now, a lot of them are doing podcasts And it's eventually gonna go to that regular terrestrial radio They've just fucking, they've gotten so busy with it and fucked with it so much They've crushed it You can't fuck around on the radio anymore, you can't have fun It gets sued, it's like, why can't you say fuck you?

You remember the Who song? Remember what was the song that had fucking it? I don't remember. Who are you?

Who the fuck are you? They played that shit on the radio when I was a kid Really? Because it was the Who? Wow.

Because who are you? Who? Who? Who?

You know that gets to the point and goes, who the fuck are you? They kept that on the radio. Right. You can't do it now.

But with this song you could probably just put like cat sounds instead of fuck, and it would still work. I'd listen to that, who the fuck are you? I'd listen to that, who the fuck are you? I'd listen to that, who song are you?

They did get it, it was on the radio and they did get it, they got it. Oh really? They twisted the fuck, they took a pace out of the fuck. So how, who the fuck are you?

It's sort of there, but it's not there. You can get away with it. That's just pretty much it. That's so good fucking man, just let it get on the internet.

Make it become MP3s and playing clubs, it'll be gigantic. It's like a satellite radio. Eddie, how much money did you spend last night on junk food? $250.

But it wasn't all junk food, that was a two-twelve packs of water. Wow. So that's like $6, right? You had a picture on your Twitter, you guys got to check it out where it's just junk food, tons and tons of junk food.

Yeah, that was, I didn't set that up. I decided, I realized it's, I never go grocery shopping ever, but when I did back in the day, you never do it stone and hungry. Because you end up buying a bunch of shit, you would never eat, it just stacks up and just stays in your house. Everything sounds good.

You're being shit. You're being shit. You know what, I'm gonna get some fucking hamburger helper. You know what I mean?

All this shit you would never eat. So I ended up doing that last night and spent $250 on just shit. Picture's great. You feel so bad about yourself after you.

Yeah, bought a lot of cereal, peanut butter, Captain Crunch. I mean, that was the big box of Lucky Charms, a huge box, was $2.99. How the fuck are you gonna turn that down? I ate three Krispy Kreme donuts in one sitting at the other night, the big one's chocolate, cream-filled.

Oh, they were so fucking good. They were so good. But it's right away, as soon as you're done, you feel like such a piece of shit. Oh yeah, you never feel good at that.

You're not done to my body. Oh yeah. You always feel like shit. You're just throwing sludge in the machine.

It's like fucking a fat chick. You're never gonna feel good after it. After you feel like jumping out of love her. If you love her, Eddie.

Well, if you're in love with her, yeah. And because she's only fat because she's got pregnant. Maybe you're fat too. And that's what you can get.

You gotta do what you gotta do. With some dudes, it's not worth it for them to get skinny to fucking skinny girl. They're like, you know what I like being fat? I just fucking fat chick.

Yeah. Thank God. Well, everybody's got different tastes, man. Some girls like really heroin looking dudes.

That's like a look. Fat bitches are angry enough, man. We need dudes out there banging that shit out of them. Calm them down.

Some of them are angry dudes. Some of them are just sad. They just lash out. How would you like it?

How about the fat chick that's hanging out with three hot chicks out of a club around drunk? How about that chick? That's always a monster of the past. Cheering it for everybody.

Just destroying the night. I used to do a bit about them about girls cock blocking. I don't think I ever recorded that. God damn it.

Cock blocking is so accepted. So accepted. Like if you don't cock blocking, you have no honor almost, you know? But for guys, if you cock block, you can get punched.

But you can cock block another guy if he's trying to fuck your girlfriend. That seems to be acceptable. I've seen a lot of that. I've seen a guy hanging out with a girl but they're just friends and the dude with a cock block anyway.

I've never seen that happen. Say that again. We do just friends with the girl. Say you are a young single man out in the town and you meet a young lady and she's attractive.

And she's here. Oh, these are just my friends. And she's with a girlfriend and a guy friend. The guy friend will almost always cock block.

Unless he's like super cool and thinks you're super cool. Most guy friends hanging out with a girl are just dudes who haven't really been successful in fucking that girl. They're going to be very upset if you are. It's usually if she's pretty.

For sure, if he's around or if he's young, what are the odds he has to shit together enough that he's cool with her being attracted to other people other than him? There's some twisted love triangle with her friend and he really wants to fuck her but he can't. It's cool. Such is the way a person dudes will be friends with chicks so long.

I've done that too. I was friends with a chick from 1994 and I finally fucked her in 2000. It took me six years to eat that. And I wanted to.

The whole time I wanted to. I was waiting. But she was so funny and so cool we actually I like hanging out with her. Well, there's a game.

And eventually I broke her down. There's a game with some smart women. Some smart women. They're so tired of the bullshit that guys do that they will fuck with you and they'll drag you around if you want to fuck them.

They just want to see how much effort you put in how long you will to stick around. It's almost like commodity they're giving up. If she fucks you now you're not going to take her seriously anymore. You're just going to be one of the other girls that she fucks.

But if she just strings you around forever then you're her little plaything. You're her little buddy and we kiss every now and then. What's the big deal? We're friends who kiss.

How about if you haven't kissed and then you think fuck I'm going to make that move after being friends for four years. You make a move and she turns you down. Damn. That's brutal.

You're friends. You mean this one time you've been trying to fuck me? It's crazy. It's in the moment.

Yeah. That's never good. You go out there and you try to kiss. She doesn't turn.

She doesn't turn. You're like that moment. You're like damn she can't respond. I wish she would have.

It's always a weird thing with human beings when one person wants to be with the other person. Whether it's friendship or whether it's sexually. Any other person's lying to it. That's the worst.

The worst thing to watch in a movie is the most uncomfortable thing to watch. It just makes you a friend of yours that's getting fucking just done over. You see it coming. Man I gotta just watch this happen.

Shit. It's the worst. It's like if you love it check and also and she doesn't love you anymore. There's nothing she can steal from you that hurts more than that.

You can light my fucking house on fire. I'll be like there's a hotel. I'm going to be okay. I'm a little disoriented.

I'm going to be okay. I'm going to be okay. Pull that fucking deep love away. I'm going to give it to someone else.

Oh, did that happen? That baby's with someone else? The last time that happened was 1995 and it fucking crushed me. I rode her a terrible phone.

Oh, and put her on a cassette and left her on a door. Stop begging her to come back to me. It was a darkness. I had to sleep with Valium during this to get her done.

She just left me. Aren't you glad she didn't have a Twitter back then? Can you imagine? Oh my God.

Check out what my Facebook does not go on my Facebook. Facebook doesn't have a limit. It's much of a limit. When people break up on Twitter, celebrities break up on Twitter because they come together on Twitter and they're back going, that's a good one, babe.

Aw, sweet, they love you, babe. And they go back and forth while the whole world is watching them go back and forth. Who does it all the time? Tito and Jenna Jameson.

That's what I'm talking about. They go back and forth all the time. And then when they break up, they have to make an announcement. You have to say something because they're not tweeting together anymore.

They're not hooking each other up in the Twit. So then they have to announce that they're no longer going out. That's fucking hilarious. Speaking of Twitter, what happened to Steve Edgy's Twitter?

He just deleted his whole entire account and it was like, fuck Twitter. I'm deleting my Facebook also. And then the other day, I'm like, why haven't I heard from him in a while? And he just got back on the Twitter a month later or something.

I had to get back on Twitter to talk about this movie I just saw. And now he has 2000 friends. But didn't he have like a million? Yeah, something like that.

He just deleted all those. Why didn't he do that? Twitter suicide. Was there a reason?

I don't know. There's some people that feel like we're too connected, man. There's some people that don't like it. They resent it.

They want the old school way where people just like you. They like you. They like you know. They don't have to talk all day.

I don't have to be fucking tweeting back and forth from you. I'll do a Johnny Carson interview and sit down with him and if you like me, you know, they don't want to get into the whole social media thing. I don't like people that aren't like fucking barely on computers. They're not even on the guy down from here.

They still you can live that like if you want. You can tell me that I'm going to. Sure. My mom doesn't even know how to get texts.

I sent my mom a text like a month ago and she finally just responded. OMG, I didn't know I got texts. My mom doesn't get texts. My mom just figured out like last week she'll send the same text twice because she's not sure how maybe didn't go through.

We send it again. It's like a fucking letter. My mom is scared of the price. My mom is $5 for like $500 text messages.

You could just do that plan and she goes, No, I just can't afford $5. I'm like, mom, think of all the stamps, all the cards you save. He doesn't understand it. He says I'd have a tech seminar to go to or something.

Yeah, some people just don't give a fuck about technology. So maybe that's what it was. Maybe he just felt like too compressed, you know? Maybe too attached to people.

It wasn't too long. It was all about fucking fan mail and opening up back and forth. That stuff, for whatever reason, that stuff always creep me out. But this does not creep me out.

Can we get people on an even level, on message boards, and Twitter and stuff like that? I like that. That's fun. It's interesting.

Definitely. You know, I mean, you can't respond to everybody. It's impossible. It's virtually impossible.

Some people get mad because of it. I understand you get annoyed. But there's no way I could respond to everybody. I wouldn't have time to do shit.

I wouldn't have time to write anything. I wouldn't be able to work out. I wouldn't have time to get anything done. There's just no fucking way you keep up.

There's just no way. But it's still a fun way to give what you can give. It's a fun way, not that that's anything you're giving it so special. But just to be able to communicate with people and just the amount of information that you get now, it's just so much different than when our parents were growing up.

There was nothing like Fucking GhettoGaggers.com that someone could just click a link to you. And everyone that guy did that to me on Twitter, some guy goes, hey, is this triangle okay? Is this guy doing this triangle okay? I click on it.

I click on it. You see it. I'm like no way. I'm like, what is this guy like?

Why did you get this guy like this guy? He's like this guy. He's like this dude dude. He's like this guy dude who's got this chick who just got this chick who's like this guy.

She's like, this really ghetto looking chick. And he's fucking her mouth. And there's a whole site dedicated to skinny white dudes fucking a shit out of these ghetto black checks. There's a whole site.

There's a whole site. It's a c cheat. It's a stranger's fucking man. That's like watching dolphins get heart-poned and shit.

Think about how hard shit like that was for your dad to see, how shit like that my mom, for my mom to see. It was impossible you couldn't find it and if you tried looking for you probably get arrested You probably get locked up in some FBI stink, you know I mean how hard was it to get like really obscene shit? Every time I think that then you see these like historic photos of you know bondage houses from 1910 So I think they did shit They still did shit, but I don't think it was easy to see it I think you had to get deep into that world before you got into the bondage houses You had to be trusted into the circle of fucking freaks and weirdos willing to tie each other up and fucker faces and do whatever They do there's probably a lot of drawings back then of that though. They would have to be right before it before 1835 There was no cameras, so there was all drawing.

Yeah, there's stacks and stacks of drawings Maybe it was just all talk maybe it was just all written word, you know I know they did they didn't have like some sort of light porn like literature You imagine how happy people were when they invented Morse code? They sent a wire in the old west I wonder how complex smoke signals I mean how many symbols are there can you make with smoke whether this dude that lives in Alaska? There's this dude that lives in Alaska and he was on a Jack Caroll show on the road Whatever it was called was it called? No, it was called on the road And it was like a CBS show It's kind of going to different places and he went to Alaska to talk to this prospector and this guy spends like five six months alone By himself in Alaska and then comes back in the town and he says when he comes back in the town he can beat people's minds It doesn't last forever, but he can do it for a short period time because he's not talking to anyone out there He learns how to tune into thoughts What the fuck?

Prove this yeah, right? I would like to The woods again, it means ridiculous But I think there's something there but not that there's this guy can actually read your mind But I think there's this obviously something else going on just besides words He needs to be on that show Stan Lee's super humans try to describe what it feels like when you know someone's full of shit We know when someone's lying to you. You know that we're feeling when someone's lying to you have to minds Yeah, but even not even pan of minds just something just something you just a hunch, you know Just a weird vibe of feeling you're tuning into something, you know What is it that you have to get really super sensitive to be able to do that all the time though? Is there like exercises you can do to try to turn it?

More You're watching every single flinch of every single move something else is making you know cuz you're paranoid about everything you're watching every hand Motion you start getting overly sensitive, you know, but that's not good But I'm saying is to be able to read it like all the time to be able to tune into it all the time It's got to be something that people getting close to you know a long time ago. I was reading that there's just one guy I forget who he was some saint character and he was one of the first guys that knew how to read without talking And that was one of the ways that they thought this guy was divine because he could like look at the the Scripture and he could close it and then speak of the words And they were like well, this is proof this guy's divine because he doesn't even have to read it aloud And what it was is he was just the first guy I figured out how to read without talking to us It's like a totally normal thing we think that's what we always do but a long time ago You know thousands of years ago me who knows how long that was like really hard to do Like you couldn't just look at something and just like in thinking your head Oh, that's opposed to for the ultimate doom. You have to say the ultimate doom. You have to spell it out How strange is that?

That's like a technique that's a technique. Somebody figured out we just take it for granted just reading Imagine if everywhere you go people had a real loud how God damn annoying would that be you're not playing it everyone's got their own book And you got to tune into whatever these fucking people are reading stupid romance novel you're trying to read your shit When was toilet paper invented and what the different cultures used to wipe their ass over the centuries Well, the day is considered the way to go everywhere but here not talking about ancient England ass wiping ancient ass wiping What do you must use rivers sticks rocks twigs faces? River and The whole reason why people wipe it all is because they want someone to eat their ass with the only animal That's how good that feels that's what we keep our ass clean We used to drag them by the hair don't you think they would make would make them clean your ass? You know clean my ass.

You know, that's how the cavemen probably wipe their ass. You know Would force women to women were tools. Yeah, that's why they were dragging by the hair they didn't care He's a gay guy who's gay gay man Let me just clean this place up. It's a mess Lather it up palm florones and she ever walk into a public restroom and think it's we're part of like a gay joke You know because they why do we all have to pull out our dicks and everyone is so no matter how old you are if you're standing next to a bunch of people when you pull out your dick.

It's just there's a little there's a touch of insecurity, right? Just a little touch I think I'm weirdness. I'm like why can't we have compartments? The weird thing is that you know for sure that dudes have sucked other dudes dicks in these very bathrooms Gaidu's must love going to the rest of the turnoff Yeah for them, it's just like if you could go into a chicks room exactly That's why I think it's a big fucking gay joke gay dude design the first public restaurant I don't think locker rooms are worse way worse because at least peeing you have something to do locker rooms are just kind of like getting dressed and Talking about clothes saying yeah a lot of them to brat too I mean you should have your own private booth some urinals have walls where you can't see other dudes dick But then some brand new brand new stadiums the brand new stadiums and they you have a trough Dick's either this dude that I used to do talk window with back in the day And he was a male dancer and he always used to creep people out because he would be like he would get he would take a shower And then he would just like stroll around the bathroom was chest out like this Stroll around sometimes we stretch out naked he'd be fucking naked bro And this guy was like straight legs out and his fucking his dick I mean he probably had like a hundred fat chicks suck at a day and some guys You know I mean this guy was a male dancer and he definitely had guys that that asked him to dance because he told me That's the best way to make money.

He doesn't like to do it. I don't do it man. That's where a lot Around the bathroom with his elephant dick. Look at elephant's trunks just flop it It was like three three quarters hard all the time Just walk around nothing's gay than that.

What about that owl that you posted on Twitter the other day that that makes me Talk about that shit. That's crazy. Yeah, apparently it's some crazy owl It's a there's a bunch of different names for it. I think someone said it's a frog owl and someone said it's a thorny owl or something I guess it's a talking from Australia.

I posted some video up on my Twitter some some dude sent it to me It's a Mexican news story about this this animal. They don't know what it is. I think it's a witch. It's just this crazy owl It's a really weird looking it's like a flesh like here Let's put up on my Twitter while we're talking so you can see it because it's just so strange It doesn't look like a real animal like bird It looks like a little dragon from Harry Potter movie like a half lizard half bird that's come to life and it's like you know finding you Let's like to make one of these birds totally legit picture.

Oh, you know it's a video man. That's a really There is there's videos of them. Oh, they found one. Oh, you know, it's an animal.

It's a real animal in Australia It's just this freaky looking owl. It's called like a tawny owl or something like that And people why was it in the Mexican news? Because I guess they didn't know what it was whoever was I mean It's you know the Mexican version of like some local, you know, news story where a bunch of yahoos are out there with cameras Like we have got china. We just fucking take their whole lid down.

Let me pull it up real quick He's like, why could be Mexican man? Any problems in Mexican? I don't know I appreciate some of the remarks to the tone. Yeah, I just think you were joking with me my first move here You saw me you're Mexican and I was like oh, that's his joke I've never believed it.

Well, what's really funny is when he meets chicks and tells him he's half Japanese and half Eskimo He says yeah, my job. Oh, it's always different. It's always like, you know, my father was you know a soldier his father was in World War two There's something crazy. Yeah, as a kid I always used to tell people I was half Japanese half Eskimo really I was a All right, it's like the end of the war.

It's what this Brian Keith. I'm gonna lie this strange reptilian bird found in Mexico Oh, but you're a micronaut. No, but you better if you do it, you know, you can plug into it remember? Yeah, I think you mean just so that people can hear it because Eddie speaks Spanish.

He'll know what they're saying. It's Mexico Yeah, yeah, it is in Mexico. I thought you said it was an Australia. Well, it's just an animal I mean it lives in Australia and some family in Mexico.

Oh sure. I mean animals that live in Australia It's a mess that got a cargo boat. Yeah, probably something like that, right? Yeah, it's amazing how many different animals come from everywhere There's so much as sparrows in Hawaii there aren't from there all the pigs in Hawaii.

They're not from there Got it. Okay, here we go Translate Mr. Bravo I Know what she's saying His eyes or whatever I don't understand the newscasters at all lies I get the people they speak Correct really I don't understand get-ups. I don't understand proper Did you keep it so street?

Yeah? There it is look at this thing. This is the bird It really does it looks like a lizard looks like a flying lizard, but it's called a Tony owl It's a real bird man freaking out looking bird fly I mean, it's what's really funny is I put it up on Twitter. I kill it Brian I put it up on Twitter and dudes saw most people like what the fuck was that and then some people had an answer for what the fuck it was What's your fucking one of those if it was drug-dub and not going by you?

Frogs figured it out. Those really dark up you ever seen people having frogs on my side How smart on fucking chimps if he wants a Twitter this while we're live here So what's Twitter is telling what the fuck out always talking about because it's not a Tony owl It's something else Tony Owles just a pretty normal look now, but I know it's some kind of fucking freaky out that we didn't know existed Alright, shit up on Twitter son. How crazy is it the chimps figured out how to fuck frogs and chimps are super smart Chimp smokes cigarettes man, you ever see that? No, I haven't seen that at all.

Chimp smokes cigarettes, you have chimp cigarettes, I like them. You see the video the other day, somebody's incredible. Somebody drop a Game Boy into a Chimp Cage in San Francisco and there's like video and photos of like just Chimp just sitting there playing Game Boy in like a baby Chimp Lake sitting on the corner watching. They're like really, really, really, really, really, really, really stupid people.

Yeah. But way stronger, way more violent. Way more violent. They're like nine year olds.

We can't even understand how strong they are. Apparently like 150 pound champ is as strong as a 500 pound man. Just try to wrap your head around that. What a 500 pound man would feel it.

It sounds stupid that there's no other thing. They're like 500 pounds like muscle or five. Right. Broccoli is the biggest bodybuilder.

Has there been like a dude all yoked, no fat, totally shredded and 400 pounds? I'm sure there must be. Really? Yeah, I would imagine.

At this point. But not fat. Not powerless. I would imagine there's somebody that's doing that.

Like the biggest bodybuilder ever. I'm sure. What could find it? What could find it?

Brian, Google the biggest bodybuilder ever. We're going to find this out, Brian. It's totally possible. Biggest.

What are they like the average competitive bodybuilder when they're competing? Are they what? 5% body fat? What do you, what's the average?

It's totally ripped. It's got to be really low. 5% or 2%. 2%.

When I was doing type 1,000, and when I was cutting weight, I was fighting 140 pounds. And I really didn't weigh 140 pounds. And I was really skinny. I was very thin at the time.

To a very lean low body fat. I was 4 and 1 half percent body fat. When they told me, this is getting kind of low. You can't really get much lower than that and be competitive in anything.

Well, one place says, you can I steer. Those guys don't do anything, though. They're not saying they're just posing. So they can get really low.

Like unhealthy low. They get to like 3%. I think. They're like about to pass out on.

Yeah, they do pass out. They pass out all the time. Those guys are dehydrated as fuck, man. It's like it looks, I mean, I'm not into the bodybuilding, it's a little ridiculous.

But as just an aesthetic, just looking at it, it's like, wow, look what that guy's done with all his work and sculpted his body. It's kind of fucking freaky. That's Quincy Taylor. That was 2009's largest one, at least.

And how much do I do? I'm going to do it. 110, no. Just like 340 pounds.

Whoa. With a 5% body fat. Whoa. That's pretty low.

That's probably the biggest right there. That's pretty big. Well, Bob Sapp was what was he like? 375.

Was Bob Sapp in his big. He was about 375, 350. Well, when he first came out in front, no, Gary, I would not say you had a lot of fat. He wasn't sure that he had a little bit, but he was so swole.

Do you remember how big Bob Sapp was? Fuck yeah. For people who don't know what we're talking about, there was a dude who fought out of Seattle, Washington. He only had a run of only a few years because it was just this chemically-fueled fucking suicide mission.

There was no way he could keep it up. There was no way. No way he could be that big for that many years. How long can you keep that up?

He was a fucking nightmare for a while. 375? Like 18 months. It was Bob Sapp going to take over the world, right?

He was so big, he crushed Ernesto, who's twice in a kickboxing match. His sheer might was enough to bully who's to do a corner and just smash him. He was more feared than Brock Lesnar is today. Yeah, he was so bad.

He was before that car went by. He was feared. Hey, it was cool because he would lose. He would come really close to smashing guys like no, Gary.

And then he would gas out and no, Gary got that on by. Oh shit, that no, Gary. Oh, wait. Let me watch it here.

We had a party here. And we were all, oh, no, no. Let me stop. Let me stop.

We were watching this shit live. And right when that started, I was just no way. Right when he was getting his ass kicked to the first 45 seconds, I'm like, no way. No, Gary was going to win.

He's too big. He's too big. He's done. He's too big.

I said that like 50 times. He's just too big. He's just too big. He's just freaking out.

It was the craziest fight ever because here, no Gary was the pride champion at the time. No, Gary back down was the number one heavyweight in the world. Nobody had beaten him yet. He was strangling everybody in the Jiu-Jitsu community.

Fucking loved him. He was trying to escape. Exactly. Here was this guy.

He was a big heavyweight. 230, 240 pounds. He was strangling high level wrestlers like Mark Holman off his back. And no, Gary was the first big guy to have a very dangerous car.

Yeah, he started jacking. He was the first two guys. Now, he could take it. He could take it, son.

No, Gary was the Jiu-Jitsu savior. Oh. How about no, Gary Crocod? How about that fight?

Takes it for that first round. Takes it. Takes it. Where did he brought it?

He got took. Before the 10 minute round, bro, this is the pride system as a 10 minute round. Wasn't unusual rules. Wasn't that was a regular 10 minute round, right?

And no, Gary, before no, Gary busted out, the whole like the general consensus in the MMA community was the guard ancient. Yeah, you can't you can't top guys off your back. Yeah, people believe that. People believe that the guard is dead.

People actually said that. They believe in a large percentage of the population. Did you see the WC? Yes.

Dude, Anthony Pettis. How about that? How about that? I'm trying.

How about that? How about that? He's doing chat lead. He's doing chat lead.

Yeah. Really cage. He does. He does.

It's effective. That a lot of guys don't like to do it. He's that double roundhouse kick. Showgun does that sometimes.

You see he's a champ. He's a champ. He's a champ. He's a champ.

I want to move. That's an old school. I mean, a lot of school styles have it. But that's like always thought to be like really flashy.

But it's kind of high percentage if you can touch him at the first kick. He's fucking dirty. It's so nasty. It's so quick.

Like how he throws up the trying like every time Shane roller had his arm in there. Pettis threatened with the triangle. Real tight. No, Joe strong as fuck and Shane low were tested him too.

He clipped him a couple hard times and chase him down. But Pettis kept the shit together. Just fought smart, didn't get any silly balls. He got tagged.

He moved away. You know, it was like a weight fight. They didn't show it on the card but it was on the undercard but it was on the undercard. I don't know why they didn't show it.

Hobiwaskas against the Mackins. What happened? I don't even know what happened. Dude.

Hobiwaskas is gonna tear some a**s. Every Vazquez and me grew up in the Southern California Jiu Jitsu scene. He was the most feared guy in my division, in my category. We were rivals.

I went against him four times and he beat me all four times. He was amazing. And one of those four times, I think I won the match on my DVD. He technically won on points, but whatever.

But anyways, I always knew I knew what he got. What do you mean, why did you think he won when he won? Well, that was the match where I pulled guard and he passes my guard and puts the knee on the belly. So that's five nothing right away.

And then I recovered guard. Then I put him right into the truck. Now he's caught in the twister. He was all five nothing, but I'm in the truck.

So you have, for folks who don't know, when you're in the truck, when you're in the twister, you've got the guy in a very vulnerable situation. It's the position. There's a few positions in Jiu Jitsu where you're in a lot of trouble. My guy has your back, my guy has your mouth.

For anybody who doesn't know Jiu Jitsu. But one of them that's really weird is this position called, it's originally the guillotine from wrestling, right? Yes. But Eddie has turned it into a pretty high percentage submission move for guys who don't understand the position.

I don't understand the position, but the referees and the rules were not set up to think that that was a dangerous spot. Exactly. And so he's all five nothing because he passed my guard and put knee on the belt. From him passing, he over committed.

I went, put one hook in and it up a little bit. How many times does a guy have to get tapped in that position before they recognize that that's a dangerous position for someone to be in? If I'm trying to get to someone, I'm trying to get to a position that we call a 10-plan Jiu Jitsu, we call the truck. And this is a step right before you lock a guy up in a twister.

How many times do you guys have to get tapped from that spot before they recognize that? Or do you think that if there's like a lot of old school shit going on where they don't want to add any new dangerous positions? It takes a lot of time to add the truck to your game and to master it. It takes a lot of time.

You're the only way you're going to master it is if for some personal reason you fall in love with it and you just touch yourself to it and you just want to do it. Or you got to have an instructor shoving it down your throat in a curriculum that eventually he understands it all about numbers. Right. That's for someone developing them.

But what I'm talking about incorporating it is like if you have a Jiu Jitsu competition, why do they not recognize that position as a position? Oh, that's the question. Because not enough people are doing it. But still, if you explain to them what you're trying to do, it seems like Jiu Jitsu community should be the most independent.

They don't understand the position. They don't understand. But that's silly, right? Not how many people are doing it.

It takes... That's what I was talking about. Very few people are good at it. Right.

But it's commonly acknowledged at this point. It's not a submission move. That's a real move. Everybody else is a twister.

It's starting to get legit now because Katsumura in Japan, he just twisted somebody. And there have been four or five twisters I think now in... I think everybody's kind of acknowledged that it's a real position. And once you've acknowledged it's a real position, it's like here's another one.

How about when Matt Hughes got Ricardo Almeida in that Shultz headlock? You saw that, right? Yeah. And come to sleep and talk about that.

Now, if a guy gets that now, that head and arm, if he knows that position, he's like a near submission. If he's like a mad, he was that character, that was never like a near submission position. That was like a position of control, that front headlock. Well, I think you could do that.

I mean, you could switch to a DARS and Anaconda. There's a lot of shit there, but that's a new one. But again, for that move to really take off, I mean, you're seeing it, you're smart. You see it, it's legit.

But to get to that legitimacy personally with that move is going to take a lot of practice. People, especially MMA fighters, they just don't have the time to add to spend, to add new techniques to their arsenal. Because they're always trained for the strength edition. Yeah, they got kick-box and they got to slam tires with sledgehammers, they got to roll up hills, they got to drag logs, all that shit.

To add a new system to your ground game, you're going to have to find some time. And 20 minutes a day, an hour a week, maybe they're just not doing it. That's all. Yeah, I talked to Jake Shields about this.

We had a long interview for that thing. I'm doing for UFC.com. It's a thing called the UFC Ultimate Insider. And it's me interviewing a lot of guys this week.

It's Dana White. Next week, it's James Tony. That one was fucking hilarious. But interviewing Jake Shields, we talked about the idea of a specialist.

We talked about the, and I said that he's a specialist, Anderson Silva's a specialist, Crocops specialist. These guys who are really, really good at one thing, and then they start learning the rest of the things. And he said that he believes that that's the best way to go. What do you think about that?

What's the best way to go? To be a specialist. To be awesome at one thing. It's like the level of Jiu Jitsu that I'm at is what he said.

It's like, they're not going to reach that level. It's basically what we were saying. They're not, they're not, they're not, with regular training. They're not going to reach that level.

So if it turns into ground game, he's always going to be able to dominate that. You know and with the Jake Shields style. Like Jake Shields is a powerful fucking dude. If he gets guys down in a nasty position, he can squash people.

He's a powerful guy. He's like, he's a contribute guy. He's working on it. down in a nasty position, he can squash people.

He's a powerful member. The difference between Jake Shields and other wrestlers that we've seen come and go is that he got really good at passing the guard and getting to the mount and getting to the back and mastering chokes. He understood that that's the way you're going to survive in this sport. You could be a wrestler and you've been all American every guy down here, maybe a champ every guy down here.

If you don't learn how to submit people and pass the guard, you will never survive. If you don't learn how to pass the guard, you will never survive. If you're an MMA fighter, if you're not doing what George St. Pierre is doing, if that is the ultimate game plan, he trains in the ultimate optimal way.

If you're a wrestler, if you're a wrestler, a college wrestler, and you're not doing what GSB is doing after the takedown, you're never going to make it. There's a teetor tee school thought where Teetor just stays in guys' guard and smashes him from that position. He's really good at it. As far as guys who are good at beating guys up in the guard, he's one of the very best at that.

It's very hard, but if you look at the teetos, a bad motherfucker, but if you look at his flight, he's not grounded in the pound or anybody. That hasn't won't happen. He's had some real issues with his health. I mean, who knows what's going to be with his back.

For me, for me again. I'm not an Anderson solo. There's a perfect example. Part two or one?

They're the fight. That's a perfect example. Yeah, you lingered in the guard. If Kael Sunan's been in the game at least eight years, if from day one, if he would have just fell in love with the art of passing, it's just like the art of takedowns.

Let me propose this just as a devil's advocate. What about guys who say that a guy's guard like Anderson's was a very, very difficult guard to pass and Shay was pushing a pretty furious pace. What if he was thinking that this would just expand too much energy and worry about getting caught so he's not even going to try to pass. He's just going to hold him down and try to beat him up until he finds his opening.

Well, if you're asking what his strategy should have been at what point and how much training, if he would actually worked on his passing and master passing and he's been doing it for five years, if he's been working and mastering passing for five years, I go through passes guard. But if he says I'm about to fight Anderson's silver, I haven't really been working on passing. I'm like, stay in his guard. If you try to pass your probably fuck up.

If you can stay in half guard, just stay there. I wouldn't advise someone to pass if they weren't good at it. Right. But I mean, just for MMA, I mean, just for the sake of arguing, you get a guy like Shay else on it who's just bad ass wrestlers, a powerhouse.

One of the very best guys are taking dudes down and beats a lot of guys up like that first round. He stayed inside Anderson's guard and he beat him up. He beat him up from inside there. He worked him over and he's really good at that.

What if he thinks that he's good enough at defending? He fucked up and made a mistake, but he's good enough at defending to do that to the very best in the world and he's got it down right now. He knows what he's doing right now. When he starts adding a bunch of stuff to it like passing, he's worried about, you know, maybe it's taking too much energy.

I mean, just, just to be devil's advocate. Again, again, again, he hasn't been working on his. This is what I would do. I go, you know what, a rematch is coming up within six months, maybe a year, whatever it is, whatever it is.

Well, if ever, we don't really know if they're rematch. Yeah. Well, they might not have it. Okay.

So, I'm going to prepare for it because he's out there. People want to see it. So you would say I would say I work on passing your guard. If you were to pass the guard in the area, I'd like now and then by the time the fight happened, I would analyze his passing and if this passing was still lacking within a year, I'd go, okay, just do the same shit you did last time.

We'll try to pull it. So your thought is that anybody who's as good as Chaol Sun and is wrestling could get that good at Jiu-Jitsu and be even more dominant. Just be a guy who, if he could hold you down to your guard, he could really mount you too. He could really take your back to it.

Look what GSP is doing after the takedown. Liquid Jake Shields is doing after the takedown and look with, you know, even, even, there's wrestlers that got really good at passing the guard, got really good at getting to them out, but they haven't really mastered any submissions yet. And that, well, maybe now today, yes, but so far, you know, Sean Shirk is one of the best passers in MMA. That motherfucker was slicing through black belts guards.

He's a great passer. He just needs to develop more go to Chokes, real simple. That could happen. He just got to put the time and John Fitch, same thing.

John Fitch is at the stage of his development where he's getting really good at passing and getting the back and getting them out. He just needs to keep going, keep working. You're almost there. Get two or three moves, put a thousand reps in each and boom there in your pocket.

It's science. I think he's doing that. He's just needs to develop more. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eventually, you're going to see John Fitch have one or two really good submissions that he's killing people with. And then you're like, damn, it's coming along. He's going to be breaking guys too. Jake Shield is the furthest wrestler so far.

Right now in MMA, all the wrestlers, Jake is not only master passing, but Jake gets to the back beautifully, gets to the mount beautifully and has some gold to shit. His guillotine's a badass. He's got, I mean, darses from hell. He does that crazy one-armed guillotine where you grab the guy's channel and you post out in front of his head and you pull it up.

That's T.D. Ortiz that way back on Yuki Tarno. And then Jake is still looking to expand his game because even at the point where Jake is, the future is going to be Jake's standard after people see it. That's going to be the standard and the people that are going to pop through are the ones that not only have Jake Shield, but then they got like seven, eight other little transitions that end up and kills too.

You know, that's the future. These kids are training now like those Rufo brothers. Holy shit, those Rufo grunts. Right.

Corey McDonald's. There's a perfect example. There's a dude who grew up doing Miss Martial Arts now. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, there's a lot of kids right now. Like Corey, Victor, Si, holy shit. Yeah, Victor, Dabbilah. He's the, he's my, he does my job for the Spanish broadcast.

He's the coolest fucking guy. He has three sons. One of them is named Vanderlei. He's the Spanish Joe Rodin.

One of them is named Vanderlei. His name is Victor. He's one of the greatest guys ever. His sons are awesome.

They're just, they just worship MMA. He's got one 10 year old son, Dori. And then he's got two younger sons like three and four that really young, but they, before they could walk they're already throwing combinations. He is raising three killers and Dori, holy shit, he's 10.

I'm talking to a 10 year old and he's breaking down other people's performance and how like at tournaments, he's breaking down other people's performances, how they missed the electric chair, why the old school didn't work. He's pointed out. Electric chair and old school are all techniques. Yeah.

And I'm sitting there having a philosophical conversation with a 10 year old. He's very, he's a very good father and he's there all the time with his kids and he's genuinely enthusiastic about his kids. He takes his son all over the place. He's a super fucking cool human being.

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