369: One nation under surveillance

P&C drink and review "The Fear" -- an imperial pumpkin ale from Flying Dog -- then discuss surveillance. How should we live in an environment where everything we say is being recorded? Why shouldn't the government be able to do "routine checks" on citizens? We don't have anything to hide, do we? And if you're breaking the law, or a risk to others, don't we want to find out before you do something horrible? Why do we have a presumption of innocence? What's the point? The boys discuss the basic principles, but also delve into the issues raised by Snowden and others who uncovered secret government surveillance.