This is the best hang podcast featuring Max German, Shane Cunningham and I and Mike German. Welcome to the best hang podcast. I'm Mike, we got Max, we got Shane and listeners, dear, dear listeners. It has been a long stretch.
It's almost like the pod took a summer break. It feels like it's been a long time. It's been a long time. Like this might have been our longest stretch, I think, since we started the pod.
But we're back, live in person. We're together. Do you think people thought we were done the pod? No, they're an announcement.
No. No, we're trying to... I think they know that our schedule's a little wonky to begin with. But this is the one key among?
Our personality types were like a victory lap. Like if we were going to end it, I think we'd make a big deal out of it. We wouldn't just let it die quietly in the night. Or would we?
When do you think the pod will end? Will it ever end? Or would we just go forever? That's a great question.
Yeah, how does one say goodbye? I don't know. I think it's such a loosey-goosey schedule to begin with that. Why would we?
Yeah, we're on a good time. Yeah. We're here for a good time. Not a long time.
But I'm always curious. I'm so sorry. I'm a little hungry. Yeah.
I'm a bit longer. Yeah. I mean, we're a good time and I'll be everywhere a long time. But guys, it's 8 p.m.
We're here. It's Tif Week in Toronto. Yeah, we're going to make a madness. I shave my must.
I bought a razor to shave my mustache for the night because Jonathan Popless decided to grow a mustache. And we were on a zoom today and I was beside him in the zoom. And Mike also had so much facial hair. I got this very ratty beard that I started growing on.
I just got back from Italy listeners. I'll get it in a minute. But I sort of just stopped shaving. And it's kind of, I can't really grow a great beard, but I'm kind of enjoying how it's very George Harrison.
You know, he can't grow a great full beard either. So I was committing to this, whatever's going on. I like this right. But on the zoom, it looked like the rat stuff didn't show up as much.
Because it's grainier. By design, I put the hair over it too. Okay. I felt foolish.
That the three of us had mustaches. Three mustaches. Me and you can both have a mustache at the same time, but I feel like me and you and Pop's canot. Okay.
Three. No. Two at any one time. John's also a new mustache.
Me and you have alternated mustaches throughout the years. Max, you as first facial hair, when we first started hanging out in like 2008, maybe under a beard a beard. There's a video of me and you at a St. Patrick's event at Down in Hesbylage.
We're singing together on a stage. We're pretty drunk because my band was playing. I think Palm's was playing. And you got up and did it with you saying something.
You have a verse or something. But you got your hair's big. Big throw. And you've got a beard.
Like it's a totally different look. Well, this is the thing about references. Like you just said, I feel like George Harrison. Do you look like George Harrison?
No, I don't know. I was like, I look exactly like Sam Roberts. Yeah. Sam Roberts, the most handsome man in Iraq and a big beard and like long, much as locks.
Yeah. It's in my mind. I was like, I'm just looking like Sam Roberts. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I used to think I'm like, I look like Sam Roberts. You know, I think every white guy thinks they look like Sam Roberts.
It's like a real beard. It's fashion legacy. It's quite strong. Yeah.
That was last time I saw you have a beard at that. Yeah. Young man's games. I got to try to stay a little young.
Keep it fresh. Keep it a little fresh. But on the Zoom, we were talking about a pretty prominent production company. And you ended up making a joke about three guys with mustaches.
But I hadn't even realized that we must look like we're all matching on purpose or something until you made the joke. And then it played very well. Yeah, it was a different laugh. And I got self-conscious right afterwards and bought in $80 razor.
Yeah. It's shaved. Also, I got to say, because we are going to a Midnight Man is at TIFF. The streets are bustling.
Toronto was great at TIFF time of year here in early September. Ash looks fantastic. Johnny, Pobless, wore a blazer. You look very nice.
Like his cashmere white collars. And Max and I are just sort of going very casual now. Yeah, that's what I do for everything though. Yeah, that's your move.
That's your flex. Yeah, that's my flex. If you got dressed up, it would be like Adam Sandler wearing a tux. It'd be like, what's wrong, Adam?
Who forced you to do this? I had to wear a suit recently though. I wore a suit to my dear friend, Chris Dickinson's wedding. Oh, how was that?
Thank you. Great. But yeah, I had to go to Zara. And I had to go try on a suit because I didn't really own any suits.
Just like a normie would. Yeah. And it was great. And I thought I looked pretty cool.
And I was like, setting photos around. Amazing. I got my haircut today. And it's Tiff.
They're shooting a movie on Queen Street. This is a chatty barber too, which I haven't had in a while. But he's like, celebs. This and that.
And I'm like, I haven't really seen any celebs. Oh, actually, I saw a chick in the street today, which is Robert from B&L. And I'm like, that's it. And I'm like, have you seen any celebs?
Because he brought up the topic up. And he goes, yeah, I saw one celeb, actually. I saw Max Kermit. Come on.
You're fucking with me. He's like, I went up to him. And I was kind of playing like, I didn't know. And I'm really drunk.
And he's like, I was like, hey, Max, have you heard the bosses coming? And he was saying all your song lyrics. He's like, I'm just going to leave in my leather jacket. And he says he was saying all these, this is the barber, seeing Max on the street and doing these bits.
He says he was out. He's on the bar. And he goes, you look like that guy, Max Kermit or something. You're like, I am Max Kermit.
That's what he said you said. But I don't know. He had a story also later on about bumping into Matthew McConaughey. And then Matthew McConaughey and him literally clashed.
And then he's like, I know you from somewhere. Are you somebody? And then Matthew McConaughey was like, I don't know. Like, what do you think?
And he's like, all right, all right, all right. He said he said to Matthew McConaughey. So something got happening to me though. I run into this guy.
You don't remember this guy. OK, doesn't Chaddy Barber sound like an artist name? Like, do you think someone that can talk in the next year named Chaddy Barber? My barber is great, Steph.
Steph the barber. She's got a chaddy time. She's like early 40s. She's lived like an interesting life.
She lived in UK. She's surfing in Mexico. She has a place down there. Hopefully not speaking out of school.
But her best friend ended up marrying this rich guy. And the rich guy, his best friend is Adam Levine. So at the wedding, she was the best woman. He was the best man.
What did Calp rise made? Whatever you call it. You told me this story. Yeah.
Anyway, she's awesome. She's like volunteers at the food bank. She's cutting homeless people's hair. She's like, there's always another story.
And my niece is good. My niece is 18. He's thinking about a career in hair, hair design, or whatever. And she's talking about going to this one school for it.
And I was just trying to be like, OK, maybe that's good. But is there other options? But basically, I can't tell her because I had to do anything. So she needs to hear it from somebody else.
Yeah. And so then I was like, oh, let's go talk to Steph the barber. And I just texted Steph. We were walking on Ozzington.
The best parenting. OK, yeah. I'll give you guys a part of the question. The medium is the message, man.
Yes. That makes sense. That's all cool. That's all cool.
Well, sometimes if a mom or dad can't get the word in and get the message across, send them Uncle Max. All right. And then I'll bring them to Steph the barber. You even have source of Uncle Max advice.
Yeah. Oh, I would source that for sure. What is the best one in five song? Oh, well, she will be loved really good.
This love is really good. And sugar. I think sugar. I love it.
I was about to start saying it. It's the most catchy. It's love. Like you so many hits.
He has more hits than you. I love she asked me to stay. It's like I won't go home without you. I won't go home without you.
Yeah, I was watching someone with Kelly Preston on the video. That's she will be loved. OK. That's the first one he said.
That's a good one. Sunday morning. I don't like that one. Really?
It moves like Jager not for me. No, no, no, no, no. It's too gimmicky. But he was on Howard's turn recently and Howard went through all of his hits.
Took like an hour. But I was like, he is five hits. Everyone. I was like, I love this song.
I love this song. They would be a value concert. I was talking about concerts where it's like, I remember I saw no doubt years ago they reunited stage, no outfit changes. They just roll out.
They play like 12 fucking hits. Like the songs you know, maybe a little bit of filler, some like deep cuts of the fans like. And then they get out. But it was like, oh, they have enough songs and enough hits that that was just what I needed.
Just very satisfying. They probably made a fortune too because they didn't put much in the production. And they were playing Scotiabankarita. I don't think we're in five.
I think we're in the street and Ellie songwriting circles. This is hardly even a band. They're just like, send us some good songs. Adam will sing on him and then we'll go to him.
He picked the best. Adam's not writing those songs. No, he picks them. He even talked about it.
Like he said, when I first heard him, he was like, Jagger, I was like, is he going to end her career? Or sugar? It's all submitted. I swear he was talking like he wrote the songs.
I think he gets like a credit on it. Yeah, he might have something to do with it. But I don't think he's like, you know, in his little studio, like sitting at the piano going, huh, what am I going to do? I think the first album is an organic thing.
But yeah, I think the people submit. And you know, they, well, yeah, sugar is great. OK, back to tonight, because it's tonight. Yeah, because it's stiffly and we're going to a minute show.
We're going to a minute show. Nirvana, the band, the movie. Did you guys see the one of the band show? Did you see the one of the big across the street though?
It's been there all summer. I haven't seen it tonight, but I've seen it constantly. I think they bring it down for the premiere. Does that look like the one that used for the movie?
I saw one. I was walking by. I can't see it. Anyway, so I go on.
Nirvana, the show, the movie. It's exciting. We've got to talk. Yes.
We're here, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're here. We're here, we're here, we're here, we're here, we're here. And I have to give J a shout out because J is the reason why Tim's in the band because J had a band in Mississauga with our band, and Dan had joined our band, he brought Tim along. So, so shout out to Jim and Carol for talking to him up.
And we love, I mean, Black Bear is amazing and the show, Nirvana, the band, the show, Nirvana, the band, the show. Nirvana, the band, the band, the show. Yeah. He's great.
But the reason why I said we're very excited for this movie, which RKL's play a small role in? Pretty big role, probably, to the plot. Like small scene in the film, but I'm thinking it's essential to the plot of the film. Yeah, they basically shot a pivotal scene at Budweiser's stage at an RKL concert because we know their DP, Jared Rabb, shout out, we know their producer, Matt Grayson.
Anyway, the other thing why bring us up is that this is how we do it. Yes. So we run into Matt Johnson and it's funny. He's running them all the time in Toronto.
It's like Matt and Jared. I have to avoid, I'm so embarrassed to see them. I have to avoid them. Yeah, they're always take a sneaky pic of them.
Yeah, they're always like up to stuff too. They have a very like mischievous spirit about that. I saw him, I was walking to the office maybe a month ago, and I didn't take the pic because I didn't want to be another person, RKL taking a photo of fucking Matt Johnson Street. He was riding one of these bikes that you'd sign out and it's pretty like, good shape.
Sneaky ripped. And so he had like his head band on and is like kind of cut off like, was like, was parking the bike and then he started walking with purpose to wherever he was going in like 930 in the morning. And I think I texted the bar group like, oh, Matt Johnson's sighting. But I wasn't going to lift the phone and take the snap just in case I got seen.
I don't think someone's built like a brick shell. Is that what that is? Maybe. It's like, but it's unusual, right?
He never used to be that ripped. He got ripped more easily. OK. Yeah.
Like during the run of the band, the show, he wasn't that ripped. And then anyway, we can stop talking about Johnson's body. But so basically, first of all, we ran him on Shaw. And I was like, Matt, let me see because they were going to stuff by selling to us.
Let me see your muscles. Let me lick your abs. They're going to stuff by selling to us in the premier of the movie. I was like, let me see the scene from our concert.
And then they're like in a rush. Matt Grace and the producers are Jerrabs there. They're like, we got to go. We got to go.
Matt Johnson's like, no, let's show him right now. We're running me like me with this song. Or like, oh, you want to see him? He's like, oh, you want to see him?
He's like, pull up right now. And then they're like, I don't know where it is in the cut. It's like, it's 102. 102, 135.
Like that's where it is. So they're like, OK, fuck. Anyways. So that happens.
And then I see the clip. It's going to be great. Then I look at it. It's just like my legs, like my car.
I'm wearing shorts. They're looking great. People are like, people are like, people are like. And then I ran into them about a month ago on the street.
But he was with this kind of familiar face. He would turn it to me an actor who looked a little bit hung over, who looked a little bit out of it was very friendly. But I was coming from the gym with Matt. He's been sober for years.
Sorry. With Dan Hamilton and everybody Brent. And we start chatting with him. And he said, hey, we're doing TIFF Midnight Madness.
I was like, this is fucking good. I was like, I'm making a video of you. And you're going to tell us how many tickets we got. Because I'm going to send it to the guys.
And so they're like, hey, Max. He sends a video. I wanted all the guys to come. Whatever you want, whatever you want for tickets is yours.
So then I'm like, great. Matt Grayson, his producer who keeps everything on the tracks, he texts us like Ash and I. Like we can have a guy. He's like, hey, we want you guys to come to the premiere.
And he was like, how's two tickets sound? I was like, oh, no, no, Matt Johnson says we can have the make tickets we want. He's like, yeah, the thing about what Matt says is that half of it's not true and it's always impossible. So I was like, and I was like, what the fuck is this video?
Like I need to find the video. That's like Matt Grayson. Sorry, but here's the video proof. Like, and then he's like, my name is.
Yeah, and then he was like, I guess that's what we got to do. That's why we're all going to be. It's a legally binding video. It's even better than what you said.
Because he said my name. And Jay was like, yeah, no, no. Yeah, he said, I think he said pop. He said pop.
I forget he called him, John or pops. Yeah, the mustache boys. Yes. You got the twill.
Oh, and it turned out that the actor that he was with was the guy from the holdovers, Dom, whatever the hell. It was like the young kid. Yeah. Oh, well, he's on run that guy.
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Cool. Looking at whatever.
Tonight's about Matt Johnson, not about the guy from the holdovers, the holdovers. Yeah, the holdovers. Yeah, he was shooting some movie here. He's going to be Bourdain in Matt.
That's how they know each other because Matt Johnson's doing the Bourdain movie and Dom's in it. Dom's in it. That's all. That's all.
That's all. That's a good run. That's all I'm saying. He's running against.
Yes. I saw that in like the Hollywood Reporter. That's how I knew he was good. Because he looks like any Bourdain if you do it right.
I'm excited. I'm so jealous of Matt Johnson and Jay, but just especially Matt Johnson. He's just he has the career I wish I could have. I didn't know anything about it.
And maybe one day, well, I think you can do it. No, it's a long game. Tonight is John. Yeah.
Just don't do anything crazy. I think he's like three years younger than me. I always go. I hit that.
I feel like you're a very, I think you're very generous with your praise and openness about who you envy and like your idols. Maybe that's the strong word, but like, you know like your Nathan Fielders or your like your Matt Johnson's. What would your Mount Rushmore be of like people that you see like attainable like, you don't even like, like he's like, I can admire Quentin. I'm never going to be Quentin.
Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. Nathan Fielder.
Oh, he did watch all the special videos. Oh, for everybody. I just needed all that information. He's so generous with his spreading knowledge and he just wants young filmmakers, young Canadian filmmakers in particular to make film.
Oh, he's like you Max, you know, you're always promoting film. I notice on your Instagram, you're promoting young filmmakers. Hey, that's Mr. Mr.
Me. But actually, do you ever remember any commentary about Blackberry movie, the beginning of the movie, it's sort of shaky cam and then as the business grows, it gets a little sliver. I thought I was looking for that. I noticed he didn't really because I noticed that was my whole theory.
I'm like, I noticed that it's a choice. Yeah. Right. For more chaotic because he didn't mention it.
But what he did is something that it felt like almost something I would do. He voice recorded the entire movie, so him and Jay play all the characters and his storyboarded it and they pre-edited it, just so they could make sure. No, for 30-second commercials. Exactly.
You get a shot. You just don't want to fuck up, so you'll do almost anything to make sure it works. He did that. It was kind of like Hitchcockian, where Hitchcock would show up in 99% of the film.
It's kind of dumb. Storyboarded and he knows exactly how it's going to be and there's no guesswork. That's what Matt Johnson and Kayeld are. Were they like framing the shot with Matt and Jay in it or were they just voiced?
Oh, sorry. And then they put voices to every storyboard and then they filmed them and edited them. They made an audio game. So they had a whole- It's a storyboard for the picture.
It's just a photo. It's a step. So basically it's like a frame I was seeing. And it's like each shot.
And you know, I don't think they stuck to every single storyboard because it was more loosey-goosy than that, but it gave them the confidence to be like, we've got the whole fucking movie here. It's edited, we see the runtime, we know kind of what to cut, what to cut out. Maybe once we film it, we'll make different decisions based on performances. People only can kind of improve because you're better than the storyboard, but you have the roadmap.
Yeah, I think Ash might have the video. Can we play it on the mics? Put your mic up to it, I'm actually in it. So this was the legally binding message that got us six tickets to the Midnight Man is Premier, which pops, who's a big tiff guy.
Totally is one of the most prestigious. Screening for this video. Tell the chain Mike and pop. The chain.
Mike, pop. It would be at my honor if you joined us for the whole premiere. No, no. Toronto premiere of your Bonavanish film movie, it's a number four.
But don't share that information, it's not public yet. We have the reserve tickets. I don't control that, but I guess yes, we'll probably just say our kills. What did you see?
There's our boy, Dom. There's Bordein. Oh, there you go. Oh my God.
Oh my God. He does look hung over there. Yeah, he does. But if you look at...
He's the top one. He's the top one. So wait, you're not just directing it? Yeah, yeah.
So, okay, at the Bordeaux stage, the ask was... Bring your show. ...for our show because they basically give us a month before and be like, we need the shot. It's very pivotal for the movie.
I've Jay on stage playing for a crowd of people. Matt's in the audience. Like his mind is blown. That his best friend is now the biggest star on Planet Earth.
So they come, so I was like, okay, I imagine. I was like, we're doing the Encore. It'll be in the bridge of my heart. So he's yours.
I'm going to introduce the crowd to what's happening. So everybody knows like, play their part, which is basically go crazy for the biggest pop star on Planet Earth, Jim Carroll. When I introduce them, I wanted to give like, some context to who these guys work as most people of the crowd would have no clue who they are. I was like, guys, they made a movie and Barack Obama put it on his year end best list.
These are local filmmakers, et cetera, et cetera. So anyway, I mentioned that. This is Jay and Matt at 2.30 in the morning, sending us a thank you. After the show, sending us a thank you.
So that night. Guys, thank you so much. Thank you, Max. Let me well.
Okay. Thank you so much. You've screwed it up now. Tonight was one of the best of one of the band shoots of all time.
The inclusion of Barack Obama's pop 10 list got the crowd completely manic. I feel so supported. More supported on stage than I've ever felt in my life. 90% of the footage is Jay's face with Max's legs right behind him.
Perfect. And that's what we wanted. It all serious. No serious.
Tomorrow. It's very generous. And we truly thank you. And truly guys, cheers to you guys.
Cheers to you and we'll be back tomorrow night. Thank you. It's on the crew. It's not just us.
Are you going to turn around? I'm kind of seeing. That's what I'm doing. We ran.
They wanted to come back for another day. No, I can tell you if you want. That was a classic. I'm joking, but I'm not joking.
Can we get another shot at it? That was Matt. Oh, he wasn't joking. No, of course.
I'm sure for like guys, let's do it again. Let's fucking do it again. Let's get a shot again. Let's do it again.
Okay. Even the prefacing are like anyway going. Well, the reason why they inspire is that they literally are doing what you did at 17 years old. It's like, hey, I got a buddy.
We're going to do it, we're going to go back to our club once we're going to look at the footage together. Yeah. So we're buried in astelja bays like everything's about going back to a certain period in their lives that I think everyone wishes they could relive and they're just stuck there in the best way possible. Yeah.
But now they have like the gravitas and the budgets and stuffs like that. Are you saying that? Yeah, I rather than than us, you know, it's I think, too. There's something funny.
We talked about this sometimes. Like when we're making things. We're going down on this ball just journey. Is you somehow think things like change?
Like, oh, you do a few things and maybe find ways to get to a certain sites, but it's like, I don't know, you're still kind of begborrow and stealing and making things. However, you can just make them because sometimes going through proper channels or waiting for certain things to happen, it still never happens. So you're just going to be like, let's just go fucking do it. Like, let's just do whatever we're going to do and not wait for this or that.
And just that's that making things happen. And it's just kind of spirit of, I think, the way you just got to do it to get done. 37% sneaky is, I think, the sweet spot. Like you don't want to go so far where you're like breaking the law or really pissing people off.
You just want people to say, after you pull something off, those guys are rascals. Yes. That's it. Unless you are like now Tarantino or Coldplay, but it's almost like to get there, be easily in your way up somehow.
You know what's fucked up? I just was watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood today, just there and on. And I think I can do that. You've said, it's fucked at all.
I think that's the most mex thing we ever to say. It's and the Coldplay thing I can do it too. You could do. What's the Coldplay thing just like?
Oh, yeah, I think you could do it. In a lot of ways, I think you work. You can not make it upon a time in Hollywood. I think so.
Come on. Really? Come on. No, no, you couldn't do that.
You couldn't do that for sure. The Coldplay documentary. You pretty much work. What can I do?
What's about Hollywood? It's not that you're not talented. What's an example of it? I think particularly, I don't think.
Just the shots, the editing, the running, the crew, the efficiency needed, the scale of that is massive. What do you got people to do that from? He runs the fucking set. I don't think I could do weapons, but I think I could do what's funny.
Weapons is a lot easier. Really? I think I could do weapons. I think it's amazing, too, by the way.
Everyone goes to a fucking test. It's the best way we have seen it the longest time. We can just do weapons. It's not weapons.
Then we need to talk weapons. Well, I went and saw weapons solo as a matinee sort of thing, and the needle drop, but the opening with the children. Oh my god. It's the Georgia side.
It's you, Mike. I'm like, you're an original man. Beware of darkness. Yeah, it's a great song off of all things once passed.
Oh, man, I just love George. He's on my memoirs. Sorry. I've had a kind of...
I've had a kind of... Howdy Springs, Vodka Soda, and I'm on a Miller Light. That's for you, Shane. Thank you.
I got one here too, Max, if you want. Thank you. But yeah, the movies, the movies, go see it. Maybe see the trailer.
It feels like it was a really big buzz movie, but it feels like it went away just as quickly as it came. I thought I'd have one. It made a shit ton of money though. It's $30 million to make and it's made like $350 million.
50% from dollar one. Well, there's a bidding war for this. 50% for dollar, oh no. Wow.
And this guy has a lot of humility. To mind you, I've been listening to interviews right before it came out. He's like, it comes out tomorrow, I hope it does well. So maybe his humility's lost.
But this is a very even kill guy, very articulate. Awesome guy. Yeah, I remember from a sketch show. I love it came from a sketch show.
So there's a little bit of like, hey, maybe one day I could do a film that's good. But he is first film, Barbarian. Have you seen that? I never did.
Amazing. That was one of my favorite movies of that year. Did you see that? So good.
I love it. How could it be better? She said weapons is better. Yes, because I thought there's no way it's going to be better than Barbarian.
Because two in a row, two movies in a row, it's very hard to do and very few people pull it off. Three movies in a row. That's almost unheard of. Then you're in like Tarantino territory.
But I think Zach Krieger can pull it off. That's his guy's name. Well, did you hear about the bidding war in the Jordan pool? I would say Jordan pool because of the basketball player.
Yeah, Jordan pool. Thank you. Also from a sketch show. Yes, it's very similar path.
Yeah. But anyway, I think they know each other. And Jordan people really wanted this. And his company Monkey Pie, they're called.
They were bidding for it. And basically got outbid with this 50% deal and this $38 million budget that included his directing fee and writing fee, all this stuff. But I guess that Jordan Peele's manager, something tricky went on and Jordan Peele fired his management after he lost the bidding war. Yeah, he lost the bidding war.
So Zach Krieger gets $150 million. Yeah. That's crazy. Man, I'm just wondering.
He's in progress now directing his next movie. That's so fun. I always think with that, if you fell into that money, let's make some more stuff. Oh, yeah.
And also, it's like, let's fucking get Brad Pitten it. You know? I think it's so much fun. I don't know.
I'm guessing I don't have $150 million yet. But it's that thing where I'm like, what's it? I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that.
Right now, I am actually. But yeah, it's that thing where $150 million is awesome. And who knows how long the high and the access and the lifestyle that gives you makes you happy? But eventually that probably becomes common.
Like everything becomes common. Think about the greatest thing that ever happened in your life. Eventually it becomes ordinary. That's just the nature of life.
It's like the way that we adjust the things. What do you do then? Like if you're zacking $150 million and your second movie's been this massive hit, it's like you probably just want to get back to making something transcendent where your peers all say, fuck, that's amazing. Like, Steven Spielberg hasn't had to fucking work a day in his life for 30 years.
But for him, the high is the thing that people can't do or pull off, not everyone can do. You know what I mean? It's like people can make money in different ways but to like create something that becomes the goal. So yeah, I am fascinated by that.
Like I think with this with like pro athletes and stuff. It's like, well, like Ben Simmons. Well, there you go. But he goes the other way, right?
Like, meaning like, like if you're LeBron James, the pursuit of greatness becomes more important than money. Like he doesn't have to work out every day at six in the morning. Ben Simmons is embarrassing himself every day out there on the court being booed. Right.
So I think the lack of adulation and he's kind of in his own head, he's just too stressed out. So I would take the 200 mill and he's only like 28 or 29. He's just to take the next 10 years, having the best time. I mean, just to be referring to him basically, say he might retire.
I think he will. Yeah, yeah. Never point to him. That's exactly what I would do.
I'd be too like a deeply unhappy confusing. He's even went back to one college. That was the whole knock on him. It's like he plays because he's good.
He's six 10 point guard and it's like, he's one of these guys that plays because he can, but he doesn't love the game. No, I mean, I think for creative people, though, it's like getting a chance to just like have access to the best in the world. Yeah, that's a lot of the best collaboration in the world. I'm not to say that like, you know, each project has his own issues.
I'm sure, but to be able to be like, oh, I can have a conversation with, you know, like actually I loved the one of the pods I listened to with Zach Krierz's last time. Is this a big picture? Yeah. What are you talking about?
Is that Roland Suss? Josh Roland Suss? Yeah. Yeah.
How he was like, how he was like, so funny. And it was like, what the fuck man? Yeah. And who's interviewing?
Was it? I think it was Fennissi. What's Fennissi? Oh, so what's Roland like?
He's good. Yeah, he was like, yeah, he's like a great actor. Well, a couple of things. I wore him.
I don't know. Listen to that interview. I think it's a big picture. It's Fennissi and Zach.