Rocky Mountain High. I'm in Burbank. Rocky Mountain High. Hey, Pat girl, I'm looking at the mountains.
Don't jump, boogie. You have so much to live. Oh, wait, no, you don't, never mind. Thanks.
This parking structure is actually just high enough that I'm like, I'd probably live with broken everything if I jumped off it. That's not worth it. Not worth it. Not worth it.
Not worth it. Not into the pain. I am on the top of the five-story parking complex. It is a beautiful view though.
I am looking at the mountains, and it's pretty if we can just get enough signal to record a show. I'd be super happy. How are you, Pat girl? I'm doing pitchy-key.
I'm on top of the world looking down on creation. That's a pop in my head when you sit on one top. Are you high? No, I wish.
You know, I'm just going to hope for the best. The perverted podcast listeners are just going to have to roll with it because that's what gorilla podcasting is. Let's give it a cool name if we're going to suck. It's called gorilla podcasting, and that's where you just go somewhere, man, you set up shit when you do a podcast, and that's what we're doing now.
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Recording on Zencaster, tickling that special place between your ears. I'm path girl. And I am count Boogie and God damn it, path girl. I would like to hear some good Kinky news from you.
You said that you had some play this weekend. Would you tell us just get off the bat? Let's get Kinky right into it. Yes.
Actually, I need to stop squirming at my chair because my very bruised butt is yelling at me right now. This chair is not very giving that is wonderful. Dirty, dirty chair. Yes.
So this past weekend, I went to a play party with my Kinky tribe. Unfortunately, Donis was not able to attend because of his work schedule. But I got to do a wonderful scene in the cross with Doc. I actually started off the night, you know, kind of like all the bottoms he plays with kind of rotate around in like first spot, second spot.
So I saw him go in the middle. So I started up first this time. And we started a scene with leather straps and then went on to my favorite rubber serrated vlogger that leaves all these pretty, pretty, pretty marks. Oh, yeah.
Then went to a dragon tail, which was extra bitey. I'm not sure why. And then finished off with a whip. The interesting thing about this scene, though, is normally when I go play because of all my medical issues, I normally pre-medicate with some filing, like the proton, whatever.
And I was about three minutes into the cross and said, Oh, I forgot to pre-medicate. So this should be interesting. Oh, wow. So what happened?
Um, actually Doc also used my slapstick. And he did say that my skin was marking up a lot quicker than normal. Those marks didn't stay except for the dragon tail and the whip marks. But he did say I marked up a lot faster.
So I don't know if that made a difference. I did obviously notice pain processing wise that I felt a little more than usual. But it wasn't anything that wasn't tolerable. It wasn't screaming pain.
It was, you know, nice, yummy pain. But I just, it was very interesting because I was just kind of one of those, huh. Okay, let's see how this goes. And it went very well.
But I got a little spacey for a while. And like I said, have some gorgeous little whip marks on my butt. And it's just my right butt cheek is still just doc has a habit of digging his knuckles into afterward. He hits you sometimes and it's like a deep, deep bruising.
Now is that pain or pain and then yummy? It's pain and then yummy because it's just kind of, you know, you plop down the chair, like, oh, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, nice. So there was no penetrado, but you got the external beatolado. Yeah, beatolado.
Yeah, I'm all sorts of funny shit today. That's because you're losing it. How could you lose something you never had? This is true.
This is true. So what's Kiki Shinani Gensa? You've been up to? Well, I caught two lizards.
Okay. That's not necessarily a metaphor for anything sexual. I just would it become springtime. I have to catch at least we all know who know me personally know that I have to catch lizards.
And so I went up to a little park on Easter because everything was closed. And it was very nice, except for the humans, that apparently are just people are really angry with their animals. And I saw things that were awful, like people abusing animals, people getting in fights over in like 20 minutes. I'm like, dude, I just want to get to fucking lizard.
Fuck dude, it's Easter. Chill out, go eat some fucking moths or an egg or something. Shit, get a chocolate bunny, have sex with it. I don't know.
People were aggro, but I did catch a cute lizard and that made me happy. But so it hasn't been a lot of kink, but I did. I will tell the perverted podcast listeners, hello from a voice from the past, which would be Kathy. I went to a munch last night specifically to hang out and have a battle of sarcastic wits because it's like every, I don't know, like every six months we have to just go and like insult each other for like 20 minutes straight.
And I prod her sexually and talk about how much she wants my dick and how she wants me to do things to her. And then she gets repulsed by me and everyone around laughs. And then she's completely like bored and talks down. It's like every six months, we have to do it.
I literally went to this munch because I called her on Easter to say hi. And she's like, oh, I got to go. Are you going to go to the munch tomorrow? And I'm like, well, let us do battle on the mar, oh, whatever that that term is.
So on Easter Monday, you battled it out. It was nice. And it was nice to see people. I saw some other people that I hadn't seen in a while.
And so it was good to have some some good shenanigans. And of course talking shit with Kathy is a, you know, it's just something you got to do. Well, I'm glad you got to see her and catch up with her and put her in your place or have you put you in your place, whatever you guys do. Yeah, it's usually a stalemate.
It's pretty much a stalemate. We talked shit for 20 minutes. We're disgusted with each other. And then we're like, hey, that was nice.
Yeah, good. It was good seeing you. Glad things are going okay for you. It's a dysfunctional relationship between old mom and dad.
It's just, you know, that's the perverted podcast listeners and you, of course, are quite used to this. This is true. So, uh, another than that, I, uh, I wrote a new hit song, another mega hit that will be at the end of the show. And of course, you'll all, here, here, my new mega hit song.
But other than that, I like the topic we're going to get into. So, uh, let's get it doing to that. Oh my God, path girl. It's like been ages since we've talked about 10 seconds.
Yeah. But it was a good dramatic pause of 10 seconds. So, uh, this is going to be an interesting topic. I've written about this before.
I think we've handled this on the show before. You and I haven't had a chance to have this discussion. And it's something in the lifestyle that you're going to run into. You may do it yourself, uh, innocently or, um, intentionally.
And I got this letter because we know path girl that no women actually ever hit on me on fat life. It is super, super rare. Yeah, they need to have their head examined if they do. But yes.
Well, this one was probably no different, none special from the other needing of head examinations. But I did actually get somebody that sent, uh, like flirty, sexy kind of letter, but it had something in it that I had to address. And I'll just read what she wrote. And then you'll probably get what this is about very quickly.
So here's, here's the letter I get from said, said woman on, on fat life. Hi, daddy. I found you because I'm really fantasizing about age play recently. And then I read this in your bio.
I, because this is something I wrote, obviously, so be ready to be amazed. I like to take girls that like to be taken. I have a plan. I'm not afraid to take control.
That was the quote, obviously you're all shaking in your knees. Uh, and, uh, ready to just start masturbating. Both men, women, I don't give a shit. You're all masturbating because I'm awesome.
And apparently it turned her on. So she said, I literally gasped out loud, haha. I think I'm in love with you, daddy. LMA.
Oh, laughing my ass out loud. So that was my first flirt that I've had in a long time. And of course, I kind of have girl, you know what this is about. Yeah, I kind of know what this is going to be about.
And I think some of our longer listeners know what this is going to be out. And I think it's really important to go over the different types of expectations. And, and I wanted to say something to her. I felt I needed to say something to her, not just on my behalf, but on behalf of all the mommies and daddies.
And I really struggled because I didn't want to shoot her down. I didn't want to shoot her down and be like one of those snotty fucking in. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, so I really toiled. I really toiled.
I spent probably an hour thinking what's the best way to respond in a positive way. And I don't know if I did, you tell me what you think. And then we'll talk about the topic and I'll say her response. Okay.
Hello there. Thank you for taking the time to read my profile of mayhem. Happy face. I'm very happy that you're on a journey to find the little girl that lives in you.
Are you new to the lifestyle? Are you a part of any groups or go to classes or parties in real time? And then I said, you know, the stuff like it's important to go to classes. And that way, you know, you can get lots of opinions because lots of opinions are really good.
And you can make the, you know, all the hopefully positive stuff you say. And then I said, but now I must give you a little scolding for something I feel. It's very important. And many daddies and mommies in this lifestyle who are worth their salt also believe you are not bad, but you might not be aware of something.
So I'm writing this in love. Happy face. I thought I was doing pretty good. Okay.
I work very hard at being a real life daddy to my partners and have spent many years facing my character defects and learning better ways to communicate nurture and care for the little girls that are under my watch. Unless we have agreed to play or we have a dynamic that we have developed, I do not want to be called daddy by someone I've never met or hasn't shown me yet that they have worked on themselves enough to be a valuable little girl to me. To the daddies and mommies who have worked to be good at what they do, it does not feel good to be called something that a little submissive slave will call anybody that they don't even know. It cheapens my value and it gives indication that you don't value yourself enough to only call someone daddy who has shown you that they value you.
Good mommies and daddies want good boys and girls that have potential value that we can care for and nurture. That is my sermon of the day, LOL. Please know that I only tell you this because I want you to be the best person and find only the bestest daddy or mommy you can. Please feel free to respond and talk further about this if you wish.
If not, I wish you all the best in your magical journey. Join stuff. He's unicorn blah blah blah boogie. So now how does that letter make you react?
I tried. I think you covered it pretty full because to me you sent me the first part of this where it was the I literally guess and I think I'm in love with you daddy. That was just like screeching breaks in my head where it's like oh no no no no no no no boogie's not your daddy. He's not earned that place for you and you have not earned that place.
Sure. So but do you think I came off is angry or a bad person? Like I was like I felt I was really trying to say hey I'm not judging you for this. I'm just giving you.
No you said it multiple times where you know you said you know you did say to her give it a little scold but you said it in a daddy kind of way where it wasn't like hey you're an idiot or saying bad things to her and you even said that you love and support people and you love to answer questions and welcome people into the community. So it may just be something that she maybe brand new to the community doesn't know that basically you're not yeah exactly it could just be complete lack of knowledge or it could be maybe even a little bit of sub frenzy where it's like she's just into this lifestyle and it's so excited over everything. Oh my god I really like this guy and he's gonna be my daddy and it's like well let's kind of pump the brakes on that just a little bit. No I think you were very polite yeah yeah.
So her response after a week was I noticed maybe it was more immediate than I didn't see the response she blocked me. Not not surprised. Which I expected like one of three responses A that she would be like thank you you're an asshole just play kind of like a guy when he gets rejected and the other one would be to say oh I didn't think about that you know maybe we could have a conversation like we do with a lot of people like a lot of people had with me when I made mistakes or made assumptions about people and what they owed me or what I should be in their lives before I had even entered their lives. That was the hope and then the third one was if they blocked me which I thought was actually more funny for this story that she blocked me because she was only interested in getting off and I failed to get her off.
Yeah that's pretty much any time I've had that same interaction with life it's always the same three reactions of either fuck you you know oh thanks a lot I really didn't know or complete block and it's just it's good though. People just get butt hurt so easily. I mean she could have like you said you're not there to service her. I mean you went one step above and beyond like I do where it's just basically like look you may not know this information I'm more than happy to talk to you but you know just because we met on FET doesn't mean I'm going to jump into any kind of relationship or you know talking with you.
I mean I've got guys who are like you know hey you know I've been just didn't talk with you maybe hooking up and I'll politely say sorry I'm in a committed relationship and I'm not looking for any other play partners or boyfriends right now and then the response one guy gave me was well we're all here in FET you know it's all open for play and I'm like that's not the way FET works. Well here's the thing it is absolutely okay it's a public website if people want to have a fantasy and try to objectify me that's I that is completely they can do that. It's just whether or not I have to play along because that's not how I work that's not what I'm looking for but I mean I mean you know it's flattering that somebody wants to objectify me and just kind of use me to have a quick fantasy and get off and go away but they did reach out to me with that fantasy and just like you just like me just like anyone you do have a right to say that's not how I work and and they have a right to tell you to go fuck yourself because they're here for a fantasy so that part doesn't you know that doesn't bug me at all I thought I was fucking hilarious and personally for comedic effect it works better on the show that she blocked me so but there are because there are different types of players out there there's people looking for real dynamics there's people looking to learn and have a personal journey there's people looking for quality play with quality partners and then there's people that are just here to get off. For the people who are just willing to get off quite honestly go to a sex worker I mean go to some professional who you can call mommy or daddy for an hour get your kink off and then you'll be done with it but if you're gonna sit there and send messages out to people thinking that the majority of people the majority of kinksers do know about the lifestyle that I respond to that majority of my friends would have turned around probably not even respond to but if they would have responded would have been like like I said I don't work that way.
Yeah and and once again the reason we spend time and try to not be mean is because we understand that without any education on this planet this planet is virtually kink education desolate I mean we we're not going to get into the talking about how hard it is for sex education for people that actually give a fuck to educate and talk about these ethics and uh how to proceed and whatever like nobody knows so we can only go based on our expectations and that's why there's such a high percentage of people that come in and they just do it the way they think it is because it's been presented to them that everything in this lifestyle is just come in and everyone is your jack-off toy like a fantasy and for some people on fat life it is that there are lots of people who put pictures of their genitals up there and you know there's bulls and and sluts and they show their stuff and they say yeah jerk off put it on a picture send it to me you know there are a lot of people so I don't I don't diss people that come here for that that is something that is validated by other people's actions so you can't say that they shouldn't it just what we're trying to say is is that when you approach someone you can ask hey can I do a roleplay with you? Yeah well taking your other part of your conversation one step further when you know when she's sitting there and calling you daddy daddy is an honorific you know honorific in this lifestyle or daddy sir master or mistress what have you that honorific should be earned now like you said there are plenty of people that come on fat life some 18-year-old guy who's been the lifestyle for like two weeks and then calls himself master you know long dong silver and it's just like you haven't earned that title of master the masters I know have been in the lifestyle for many years have earned that title and that title is only referred to either as oh that's master boogie yeah yeah yeah you do it or the master between the master and the slave huh I just thought ever hearing master boogie is probably one of the most awkward and funny sounding things that I've heard on this show no actually what I'm trying to start my brain around is someone the king of objectifying women a woman was objectifying boogie I think it's great universal we end I think that's great and funny but once again the 18 year old is more than welcome to come on fat life and call themselves a master but they're going to get that pushback from the people who have a different journey in their king journey so everyone's allowed to be what they are my point and hope is that we can teach people to just disclose and try to be upfront about what you want because I don't I don't agree because I see so much negativity towards new people or people that are just here to get off or people you know you're allowed to want what you want but there's so many other avenues that validate that behavior that it's it's irresponsible in my opinion to come down hard on people I mean if someone's an asshole they're an asshole fuck them come down hard but if somebody comes in and it seems to be like ignorance or they don't know coming down hard on them it can be confusing because there are so many people in this lifestyle that are here for exactly what they're looking for yeah I I will never come down hard on anyone who messages me I mean I make it a personal responsibility that anybody who sends me take the time to send me a message on fit I'll respond to them even if it's a thanks no thanks but I will take the same approach as you do where it'll be I'll give some information about look you may not have read my profile or you may you know here's some information and then most of the time it's a block or a fuck you whatever but if you're gonna sit there and get pissy I mean game on mother fuck I'll get pissy right but if if if they want to not take that information and just be the fuck you I want to play please go have fun there are people you know there are swinger parties there are all kinds of other king parties or whatever that are not BDSM related you will find your niche eventually go have fun I'm not that person and you're not that person for that I completely agree with that and I think this has been a lot of fun to talk about because I mean we haven't really gotten into why and that is like what I said when I responded is that when you put a lot of work into something and then you put it out there as somebody who has put in the time and effort you put in a lot of time and effort I put in a lot of time and effort like you said there's a lot of masters dominance you know mommy's daddies all the whatever letters and honorifics that that doom really try and they face a lot of pain and vulnerability and you have to be humble and look at your shit not everyone does this but some of us try at least and so when somebody just comes in and tries to just use your daddy or dominant energy or use your submissive energy it can be it can come off as making it feel cheap like my there's no value to my work it's just something you'll do with anyone oh definitely um the I mean the few relationships I've had where it's in a ds relationship and I've called my doms sir there's a specific point in my head where the first couple times we have sex the first couple times we've seen together I may call them sir kind of forcefully to start putting that word in my mouth but that feeling isn't there that connection's being built but to actually call somebody sir and actually mean it is a completely different feeling to me and it's just I make it around with like doc for example during a scene and you know who hit me somewhere I'm like excuse me sir and you know kind of briding off to him but I'm not an official submissive of his but even donna's when we kid around and we play it you know we're not in a ds relationship yet we're working on that but it's just that honorific whatever it may be to me is personal between me and that person I'm in it with and it's that person is putting the work that person is earned my trust that person has earned my respect and to give that respect back is when I give them that title and I feel comfortable associating that feeling with that title that's wonderful that's that's absolutely wonderful I couldn't have said that any better and in the same way when I look for a potential dynamic for myself I want somebody that I know is working on themselves and we've talked about this ad nauseam on the show and we'll get to this in in the later little thing that we're gonna do because it applies I have a high standard when it comes to the relationships I seek now and it's not so much even just about looks or whatever it's it's really about that personality are you somebody that's on an adventure are you somebody that's on an adventure of learning about yourself and are you willing to face your character defects because if you're not we're never going to real as a daddy I'm never really going to be able to encourage you anywhere other than play and so I won't take on a relationship with somebody because it's useless to me I mean in play I'll go to the club and we can role play for that hour that we signed into a room and that's fine but as far as taking you into my life and putting any time into you as a daddy you have to have value in yourself in your own journey for you yeah and you've done all the work and and that even carries to outside of a lifestyle where you care for those people and you show the care that kind of it floats in and out of vanilla and kink life and it's just you've done that work and there's a bond there and you can't just throw that word around like you know it's like saying to somebody I love you when you don't mean it you can't just throw that word around because people's feelings get hurt you know things get misconstrued and it's just coming in full force and calling someone daddy is just to me it's just I can't I can't have any respect for that but at the same time your king's not my kink you want to call somebody daddy for an hour go have or have multiple daddies or have multiple dominance or have multiple you know you're allowed to have whatever experience that you are seeking it's just how you present yourself to people and be ready if you're new or if you're inexperienced in dealing with a lot of different types of kinky people understand that for a lot of us it is a bigger journey than just a one-hour roleplay or just some cute stuff to get you horny so you can masturbate online for those that did it which I've done both and they're both fun but the thing that I want in my life now is I want to have people in my life where that dynamic actually means a little bit more than just the roleplay yeah and that I agree with you 100% on that that's exactly what I want and even years ago when I was I've only had one daddy Dom and the internal struggle I had coming to accept not only number one I have little tendencies but number two that I felt the feeling to call that guy daddy that was a lot for me and I understand for you to call one of your girls baby girl or whatever term affection you haven't for them to call you daddy there has to be that mutual respect that mutual feeling of we know there's value on that word and just throwing it around like that is just I'm glad you really responded to her the way you did and she shut you down you know fuck you she missed you know her time well I appreciate your optimism and that's why I love you great topic you got a string on so path girl I guess it's just you and me for this whole show oh I have you all to myself wait that's scary never mind this is it we miss scheduling with some of the others and uh and so but what I thought would be interesting if you are a member a subscribing member to pervertive podcast on patreon.com slash perverted podcast you get some free extra episodes and that's path girl and I just do that I have a lot of them that I did with Kathy and there's a whole library of them you can dig around for and that's part of the perks of being a member of the uh patreon don't name some cash and and of course I give you the show early and blah blah blah blah so but one of the things that you and I started doing just kind of a little teaser to what you get is the shows that we usually do are sometimes a little off the beaten track so it's not necessarily about stuff that's kinky sometimes we do stuff like we have these cards that we go off of and we ask questions we answer so I said well why don't we just do a couple of these and give a little taste so the kids know where we go when we're on patreon yes so for everyone who doesn't know I picked up a couple of decks of these cards that are called questions for humans and dr. john duloni put them out as a wonderful communication tool and there's different decks for families teachers so I picked this up the dating and the couples packs and you know I'll get my full disclaimer we're in neither one of those nice but yeah so we've been answering a couple of cards per half a pb episode it's really gotten us into some really often being tracked deep conversations that we normally wouldn't talk about on the show I mean some of it's kinky so we picked out two cards for tonight and one you started talking about in the previous segment so the question is why are you picky about huh what aren't you want to go ahead you go yeah go first say what aren't you picky what are you talking about I'm not I'm not I am like so not picky like with food or with I don't care about clothes I don't care about cars I don't care about jewelry I don't care about travel or you know much about tv shows okay I if you listen if you watch anime in dubs you should probably not be alive because that's not the way you listen to anime so I am picky that you listen to only subs and not dubs but other than that I'm pretty flexible go ahead tell me something you're picky about I have a couple of things where um Diet Coke over Diet Pepsi hands down I will die on this hill there are times like there is a specific taste of Diet Coke over Diet Pepsi and it's just like there's times it's like the diet cooks not on sale the Diet Pepsi is like oh what I want the Diet Coke and just yes I just go ahead and buy Diet Coke um no what it's okay it's okay now do your thing man I just I don't care as long as it's fizzy I used to be a Diet Coke diehard fanatic like literally I almost got in a fist fight with a Pepsi truck driver once because he cut me off and I'm like and he's like he cut me off and it starts screaming at me and I'm like fuck you bitch and he gets out he's some fucking guy and he's screaming at me fuck you motherfucker and he cut me off and so I'm like oh fuck you up Pepsi boy and I fucking get out of my car and he's little and he runs back to his car and peels off because I was gonna kill the Pepsi guy but now I drink Diet Pepsi I don't give a shit I just like things that are fizzy that make my balls feel good okay then um one of the other weirdo picky things for me is orange juice when I first buy it and I drink it like the first time you open that container I can drink it straight but like from that point forward like the next day I got to add a little bit of water to it I don't know weirdo when it comes to that I can't drink like day old orange juice without some water and it's it's weird it tastes funny to me is it like that when you swallow calm no it's like you're hungry for it and like Donis hasn't been there in a while and then you're like he gets there and you're like yeah I just need to I just need the whole fucking third and then he loads it and you're like yeah and then you're like okay I'm good I'm good now maybe next time you just you know jerk them off on your tits or something because you got that that initial girl no I'm orange juice I'm specifically talking about like the next day like it seems like it gets thicker in the fridge I wouldn't be ticking down day old come that would just be gross Donis is thicker lude you're all maybe we ought to get you some pineapple juice oh yeah I never had a problem with this I mean there's been very few guys that have had really funky taste and spunk I mean I never I guess I guess I've been blessed okay spunked funky spunked funky spunked funky spunked coming out of the monkey oh we got a song I gotta write that down so there's anything else anything out picky things oh those are the two that were off top my head what about you okay well I got it I gotta say as long as you're you know we're going on market products I only use best foods mannees when I masturbate you use mayonnaise when you masturbate what it's the slickest for my dickest oh no I do use best foods though because I am picky about I hate regular mannees you don't like hell but that's not uh who me? Hellman's Hellman's is the shit yo we don't have that dude what is that like evil mannees or something that reminds me of fire fire reminds me of things that cook mannees making it hot and and salmonilla oh the the jingle was when I was going up it's bringing out the Hellman's and bringing out the best maybe it was a northern thing I don't know oh my god hell that's the best foods jingle they fuck oh it's probably the same company it's just Hellman's on your side anyway anyway to get off of food and and and trivial petty I don't masturbate with mannees by the way I uh yeah olive oil I'm a straight olive oil um it's good it's good for my pickle but uh I'm in a mood sorry I'm looking at the mountains it's beautiful um it's funny because like we had talked about in the previous section I'm a fat homeless guy but I am wildly picky about who I will invest my dick in like I I don't care if even it doesn't matter if you're pretty it doesn't matter if you're super super hot I may bend my rules a little bit but uh you know you're not stupid you know but uh but in general it is true because I do that math that if you fuck it you own it and because it's kind of true in most cases in very most cases once you have I think they even did a study on it where or multiple studies on it that during intercourse as opposed to all the other types of foreplay and stuff like that but during intercourse certain hormones release in a woman that kind of bonds you more to the guy it's not that way for everyone and some it's stronger and some it's weaker but it is kind of true like I played around with a lot of women and we didn't have sex and it was very easy to kind of be like okay well we're done okay have a great day but after you fuck it's kind of like an investment like you're a dick if you just all of a sudden like not be into them after that yeah that's that that's that I'm tossing that that cuddle hormone yeah I mean there's some people I've known over the years which is like you know way I'm bam okay here's your cat fair and it's like other guys who just like wait no I need to cuddle and just you know and you're all getting away from you fucking weird I'm I'm no no I'm the one that needs to cuddle I mean I've even with guys that I've had only like you know fucking once or twice it's just like can we just cuddle for like two minutes and then there's been other times I've known with me where I've gotten in trouble where it's just like let's just fuck and then we start cuddling afterwards and it's like oh no this is going places it doesn't need to go oh so you got to put up that wall because you don't want to get to it yes yeah especially yeah especially when I was a swinger where it was just basically like we're only gonna be together for a little while and it's just like the cuddling is nice but it's just like that cuddle hormone starts kicking in and it's like nope nope nope nope we're not getting attached to this one we're just having fun so now can you cuddle I don't know if we talked about this if it was you or someone else but can you cuddle with people that you haven't had sex with and not get attached to them can I cuddle with people that I haven't had sex with and not get attached to them yeah because is it about the cuddles or is it about the fucking and then the cuddles it's a fucking and then cuddles I mean because there's there's been people that I've cuddled like there's been people have come up to me the dungeon and they're like I need some ap for a while and it's just like even though I don't have sex with doctors there's that fond of love that we have between each other that I really love him and we have an amazing relationship but there's just the cuddling kind of just kind of feeds into that so is it like a nesting feeling like I'm supposed to be here I'm stable here I want to do this again over and over and over yeah yeah that kind of feeds into it sure yeah definitely okay I'm just here I mean because I'm sure it's a little different for everyone but I have definitely noticed that because I don't attach like most people because and you can call it defensive a life of you know fight or flight whatever it is I don't fall in love anymore I haven't in years I I'm gonna be honest I was never like goofy loopy in love with me I dedicated my life to her in love I acted loving I was attracted to her and I was loving but there was never oh my god this is my one you know I never I don't have that anymore so it's kind of I'm very cautious to present that up front because I know other people those chemicals kick in and it's much harder for them to detach where I'm much easier to detach yeah but for you it may either be and you people and other people like you I've known up any other people where it's like either a they don't have massive amounts that chemical and that's not their fault and b yeah they had that chemical but they've had so much mental programming it overrides the chemical up I'm not gonna get attached to this person fuck you and they shut down or they cuddle a bit and it's just kind of like they set a limit of okay this is as far as I want to go sure I've always had that cuddle hormone and it's just it's gotten me into trouble where I start getting attached to people faster than they get attached to me and it's led to some awkward situations I mean even with me and Donas a couple of weeks down the road I'm ready to throw that L word out and he's like I'm getting there but I'm not there yet I'm like okay I need to dispatch that.
Oh so you said I love you and he kind of she's like hey I really think you're cool punched you in the arm squeeze your ditty quickie no no no he basically he took a breath and he's like and I know he's had a lot of pastrama with his wife and he's like I really really like you and I know there's more there but I am not ready to bring that word out he's like I'm getting there believe me I'm getting there so it's just like it was just like he wasn't ready to put that word like the same thing with the titles he said before he wasn't ready to put that word in his mouth and have it make a commitment where it's basically like I love you and this I really love you not just I'm throwing out a word because you want to hear it see I'm the exact believe it or not I'm the exact opposite I'll tell everyone I love you but I know that what I mean and so I'm always very upfront about when I say love and I say I love you it means I'm willing to take action to show care for you I'm willing to show you an action of love because I only I only want the action you know because I separate the two from sex and attraction and the action of love I have a complete disconnect between those two things so I'll say I love you to anyone because I believe that love that action love doesn't require that oxytocin and that goopy fucking insanity that always leads to jealousy and rage and fucking shitty relationships sorry I just thought I'd throw that in extra but um but I think it's important I think it's very nice for people to know that people love them as long as we all know the difference in love you know what I mean so for some people it's like when they say I love you it's like an announcement like a commitment like a wedding ring of this relationship and I'm like no I just love you I love you path grime I have no problem saying that I love you and and I probably would son of my you and come with you well I like you said there's different levels of love I mean when you and I get up the phone personally it's always like all right I love you but you know it's I love you because you're an awesome friend I love you for all the conversations we have you know all the other things we've talked about you know and actually gone deeper in our patreon guest but like you said there's different levels of I have a level of wealth from my friends because they're my friends I have a level of for you that's different than from Donnas and from Doc and you're my family they're all different levels but like you said it's it's that I say I love you because it's just I've invested time with you even this time with me and we have a relationship now with now yeah but even if we were having sex I don't I don't have a problem saying I love you to someone like on the first date you know which I have to explain I wouldn't say I don't say it until we have that conversation because that you can't throw that out because that freaks them the fuck out but oh yeah that like when you said that my every alarm went up my body wait wait what what yeah yeah I don't give a shit I love you because I love you because I love you I love you so great you know how you doing so it's good be good happy happy but yeah you should have a conversation about the difference between yeah I mean like when I was a swinger I may say to somebody I loved the time we had together but I wouldn't say I love that person it would be like you know yeah that though that well yeah you've met him before never even met him I mean that's got to be a pretty good flop to be like I love you I was the weirdo swinger and this is before everything came out with like demisexual I realized down the road I was demisexual it's like I never went to a swinger party with my ex husband and hooked up with a guy the first time I met him I may need a guy to swing a party and be interested and then we'll kind of talk between parties and I would go to a second swinger party and then hook up with them or you know you know for the four of us would all kind of hook up whatever but it's just like I I think there was only once or twice that like I actually went to a swinger party met a guy that night and fucked him that night it's that was extremely rare well you know everyone has their level once again talk first try having a conversation first yeah about what you are and you're allowed to be picky and uh and uh that was a great topic I think we should just hold it off there but that was a lot of fun and that at the end of the show free semi-sick thank you for joining us if you have questions comments or topics you'd like us to cover please reach out to us at the perverted podcast at gmail.com or find us on tech talk or instagram under the name perverted podcast and on sept life there's both a group at a page you can support us for free by hitting the like or subscribe button on whenever app you're listening to us on it really does help get us promoted on podcast platform and help other kinksters like you find us if you'd 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