38| What’s the Future of Lean? Jim Womack's Advice for Lean Change Leaders [with James Womack]

Learn more and apply for the November 2026 cohort of my Japan Leadership Experience: https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/What have we really learned after four decades of lean? Is lean thinking and management still relevant today?And importantly — what needs to change to ensure the future success of lean transformation?In the previous episode, I sat down with James Womack, founder of the Lean Enterprise Institute, to look back on 40 years of lean thinking and management since the publication of The Machine That Changed the World. In this episode, we look ahead to the future of lean and dig into big questions, including those submitted by listeners:Is there a better term than “lean”? What would Jim do differently if he could reintroduce lean to the world?How do AI and new technologies fit with the application of lean principles?What’s Jim’s greatest surprise over the past 45 years?Jim doesn’t hold back in this discussion  — and provides his advice as he passes the baton to the next generation of lean leaders. YOU’LL LEARN:Why lean principles still apply even as technology evolves and takes over tasks once done by peopleWhat’s stopping organizations from fully embracing lean principles and practicesWhy lean must be leader-led—not outsourced to consultants or internal operational excellence teams How developing people’s capabilities for problem-solving at all levels is critical to successThe true role and purpose of managementIf you are passionate about the potential of lean’s impact now and in the future, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. ABOUT MY GUEST:James P. Womack, PhD, is the former research director of MIT’s International Motor Vehicle Program who led the team that coined the term “lean production” to describe the Toyota Production System. Along with Daniel Jones, he co-authored “The Machine That Changed the World”, “Lean Thinking”, and “Lean Solutions”. Jim is the founder of Lean Enterprise Institute where he continues to serve as a senior advisor. IMPORTANT LINKS:Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/38Listen to Part 1 where lean has failed and succeeded: ChainOfLearning.com/37Connect with James Womack: linkedin.com/in/womack-james-52763b212Check out my website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.comFollow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson Learn about my Japan Study Trip program: kbjanderson.com/JapanTrip TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:01:48 Two things Jim would do differently in introducing lean 03:92 Why consultant-driven Kaizen falls short05:29 The origin of the word “lean”08:29 The alternative label instead of the term "lean"10:26 How lean intersects with emerging and established technologies14:43 Analyzing AI’s effectiveness through the value stream16:02 Jim’s greatest surprise of the 40 + years of lean19:10 Changes at Toyota’s Operations Management Development Division22:27 Why problem-solving skills matter at every level23:34 Jim’s parting advice for the next generation of lean leaders Learn more and apply for the November 2026 cohort of my Japan Leadership Experience: https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/