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EPISODE · Mar 17, 2026 · 16 MIN

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from The Long and The Short Of It · host Peter Shepherd & Jen Waldman, Peter Shepherd, Jen Waldman

This week, Jen and Pete define (and redefine, and redefine, and redefine) the concept of what it means to be normal. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is the relationship between normal and average? When might it be a good thing to be normal? When might it be a good thing to not be normal? How might we push back against normalcy, where we want to be extraordinary? To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/. You can subscribe to our Box O’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos, and other interesting things that Jen and Pete are noodling on.  To get in touch, send an email to: [email protected]. Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/). More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.Reach us: [email protected]'s work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com

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