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#391 - Should I Have A Kid?

from The Daily Talk Show · host Tommy Jackett, Josh Janssen

On today's episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss: Our Fat Fridays order Handkerchiefs When popcorn chicken came out How young people are so fashionable How Tommy met Craig Harper How a child changes a relationship Is having a kid selfish? Watch today's episode of The Daily Talk Show podcast at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aItvsfAV3s Subscribe and listen to The Daily Talk Show podcast at https://www.thedailytalkshow.com/ Email us: [email protected] Send us mail: PO BOX 400, Abbotsford VIC 3067 A conversation sometimes worth recording with mates Tommy Jackett & Josh Janssen. Each weekday, Tommy & Josh chat about life, creativity, business and relationships — big questions and banter. Regularly visited by guests and friends of the show! This is The Daily Talk Show. This podcast is produced by BIG MEDIA COMPANY. Find out more at https://bigmediacompany.com/

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It's the Daily Talk Show, episode 391. What's going on guys? What's happening? Fat Friday.

Like you spoke so fucking slow, I literally thought about what I need to do tonight, what I want to do on the weekend, or within your intro. That's how slow you fuck. That Friday's. You either having, you've got a sugar low, which means I remember as a kid, I had this fucking, I've got such vivid memory.

I felt like I was hallucinating. I mean, I was in parts of my childhood, of my teenage years back. I remember hallucinating. I just remember smoking a little weed.

But I remember. Do you hallucinate? It's making me eat. Do you want to look at what's the most known?

No, it's not known. Is it a hallucinogenic? I had cookies once, and cookies have the same drug as marijuana within THC. But it's different.

It goes through your body differently when you ingest it. Something happens, and it's the closer thing to a hallucinogenic, or a psychedelic. I've never done psychedelics, but I've done cookies that fuck me up. And it's literally why I didn't touch marijuana for 10 years.

Afterwards. Because I was like, I'm paranoid. I was like convinced people would die. It was just like a stupid one.

I gave them to somebody else. A bunch of other people in my house. And then I came down to the back room, and they're all on the couch. They literally went, what have you done to me?

Really? And in that state, everyone's fine. No one's fucking dying. It feels like you're dying.

I was just like, went back in, and then I was convinced my girlfriend was cheating on me. Turns out she was. But she really. She did cheat on me.

But she was getting text messages, and I was convinced that it was like, she was having an awfully some guy. So you... But you think that you know it? Like it's some sort of unconscious instinct that the cookies brought out into it?

No, I don't think so. It just was paranoia. And it was true. That was right.

I remember as a kid being so so hungry and getting lightheaded, and it must have been insulin, like some kind of blood sugar stuff. But I remember being out on the trampoline, and I was like, I hadn't eaten, and I was just like, felt out of body. It was weird. I reckon that's where you're at right now.

Yeah, I would do that a lot. But I was going through a stage where I lost a bunch of weight. It was the most unhealthy way, but fast all day, and then have a packet of natural confectionery company. And that was about, like one of the smaller packets.

It's about 700 pounds, or whatever. So if I just had, what are you looking at, Miss and I7? No, we're all good. You happy?

Yeah, yeah. Had your 700 cows at that time. Well, that was it. And so I was losing weight, starving myself.

It's calories in calories out. You can lose weight eating cornetos once a day. If you're a fat guy. You can eat cornetos three times a day, probably still.

Yeah, yeah. It depends. I mean, there will be diminishing returns at some point. What do you mean?

You get to a point where your body is adapted to the corneto diet, and you're not sure? You can eat those arthritic at all? It's like a drumstick. Do you know a drumstick?

I know a drumstick. It's ice cream. Yes, great. Anyway, speaking of, let's get out of this psychedelic state, and Jesus.

All that. That is fucking heavy. We've got heavy finger. Lickin' good.

So. I'm just trying to muck. Okay, so that's right. Roo, roo, roo, roo.

We have to give you a shout out because it was your idea. On the KFC app, you can access a secret menu. And the way I did my first thumbnail. Yeah, but you always pointed out too far and it loses focus.

There's no fucking point. Anyway, I saw this come up in my Facebook feed yesterday, and it was the biggest burger that KFC have. It's not on their main menu. It's on their secret menu.

This wrap's tiny. What's this for? Okay, so I got four things. This is, let me just, I want to pull out the menu.

I want to pull out the order. I mean, I have spent a fair bit of time working on how to access this. It was cheap, it's like 30 bucks, right? It's junk.

It's shit is junk, right? But. There goes the KFC integration. I was hoping to send it a little bit for them.

I mean, if I was to be honest, I'm not listening to my body today. I don't feel like eating this one bit, but in the true spirit of fat Friday, you've definitely got to do it. You've got to do it. You've got the weekend to recover.

Okay, so I'm going to go into this. So in the menu, I literally spent 10 minutes working out how to do this. So you hold it at the top and you swipe down and you get a hold of it. You saw me doing this and I said, I'm like, basically, it looks like you're fucking it up.

And I was like pulling down, pulling down, pulling down. And all of a sudden little kernel pops up and he's like, mate, you want an order? You want to get the secret menu? And there's a secret menu bar and there's four things on the secret menu.

One of them is the, what was it called deal? The, I'm getting, I've got to do it again. See, look here. There we go, secret menu popped up.

All right, the triple stacker, which is the big fuck off-sized burger that is 4,3933 kilojoules. It's fine. The nugget lot, which is a burger with nuggets inside. Wasn't much of a nugget kid growing up.

Or the Kentucky slider. And the Kentucky slider. Do you know what I don't like about that? Yeah, sliders.

Okay, sliders are an inferior product. Sliders are always small. Sliders are to be shared. Sliders are dislike.

So anyway, they're the three menu items. Don't you agree? Those sliders are always disappointing. I've had some good sliders as finger food parties, but you didn't order the sliders.

You just take them what you can get and they were nice. Anyway, for this thing is so heavy. This burger is huge. It is, oh geez, that is a solid burger.

I've got one for you. Thank you. Is there something I was recording, something for spec savers again? Yeah.

Oh, he put in three chips. So why? So they said to me, and this is the second time we've been at KFC where they don't have any more zinger fillets. And he said, we've only got two zinger fillets left.

Those burgers are meant to have two zinger fillets in each. 11 am on a fucking Friday and they don't have, maybe there's a bunch of fat zoes getting their secret menu on. Anyway, so what they did was put one zinger patty plus another chicken patty in those big, true paper stackers. Yeah.

We still should have the same price, but I said to him, what do I say to him, deal? You used to just throw in a free chips and the guy sort of looked at you questioning. He said, what? I said, free chips.

Oh, yeah, I got you. I got you. Hey, he's got you. Can I have a chip now, please?

Look at him. Salivate. No, I don't want you to have one. It's been looking good.

I've never actually noticed that it's a KFC line. Anyway, this is the other burger, which is the nug. Why KFC chips always soggy? We're at the bottom of the pack.

Okay, guys, what do we want? I know JJ wants himself a triple stacker. I kind of just want to bite of the triple stacker. I'm willing to, and I know Mr.

97 doesn't. I mean, he's always, he's not a journalist. No, he's not a triple stacker kind of guy. But I think 3D deal is.

I'll crush that. But what I want to ask is, can I have a bite of your triple stacker? Most definitely. To start with, I think you and I have a munch into.

Oh! Jesus. It literally, it feels like a leg of ham. Like it feels like the denseness of a leg of ham.

Mate, you can do this or what? Yes. Oh, do you want to do a thumbnail? Yeah.

Mate, are you okay? Why? No, and I'm thinking we want to get better at headlines and thumbnails. So let's do a thumbnail.

Okay. I'm just going to read you before this. We're being triple and out here. Get ready for not one.

Can I read two? But three juicing, I feel it. So we're fucking... If you do a voice over a voice because...

What the fuck am I doing? Am I not doing that? Higher energy. Why do we need higher energy?

It's for us because I did a read for them and had to do higher energy. We'll be triple and out here. Get ready for not one, not two, but three juicing. Let's handle it.

Let's handle it. That was very kind of a smoky bacon. And cheese with fiery chili relish and supercharged sauce. If you dare not for the faint hearted here at KFC.

Can I try? No. Just one. And then I want to hear 3D deal because he nearly got a video job.

No, no, no, no. Okay. We'll be tripling out here. Get ready for not one, not two, but three.

Juicy zinger fillets. Smoky bacon and cheese with fiery chili relish and supercharged sauce. If you dare not for the fainted hearted. Fainted hearted.

The fainted hearted. Fainted hearted. Fainted hearted. What do you think?

That was actually quite good. We'll give you a good idea. You want me to do higher energy? Yeah.

Do whatever feels right for the read. You do you, baby. Okay. The triple stacker.

We'd be tripling out here. Get ready for not one, not two, but three. Exclamation point. Juicy zinger fillets.

Smoky bacon and cheese with fiery chili relish and supercharged sauce. If you dare not for the faint hearted. Wow. What a read.

Love your wife. So it's as you were saying the smoky bit. I smelt it. It's amazing.

Is that a smoky sauce? There's like a smoky sauce. Sorry. I didn't talk about it.

Literally. It's just like we go into a supermarket and it's like you're like, oh guys, my north star. And then all of a sudden you're in the lolly oil. I'm just saying what's on special.

But Pete Shepard, you and I went into the, and Pete and I were like, where the fuck's Josh? And then you're firing back. It's just in lolly oil. No, because you're fucking trying to work out.

I want to get the small ones. You're doing that guy. I'm happy to be that guy. I guess so.

What I'm saying is that it's just like, it's instinct. It's almost like you're already there. It's amazing. Anyway, it's very heavy.

Count us down. Three to deal in your 60 voice. Will you take this big bite? Are you ready?

Yes. Here we go. Three, two, one. Oh.

Oh. Oh, my God. You fucked up by giving it to the deal. So yeah.

I've only got my mouth around. I mean, yeah. Then I do. I think I do a smaller bite because I know I get to.

Mission 97. Can I have a bite of your nugget burger? Yeah. Can you try to eat the nugget burger?

One cheese. Okay. Wow. So it's just a big fillet.

I mean, you don't have to eat this, buddy. Here we go. Hang on. If you don't want the nugget burger, I'll eat it.

Okay. I mean, that's more. The hard thing with burgers that are just patties is it just tastes like eating patties. You've made such a mess on your face, by the way.

It's really, um, it's not ideal. Yeah. We've got any. Oh, I wouldn't have used paper to wipe your face like that.

Man, I use whatever I've got. It's not working, though. It's like orange. It looks like you've got a wranger beard.

Definitely has that vibe. Wow. Anyway. So, um...

That's a mason. I've been working on the DailyTalkShow.com website. Yeah. Well done, boys.

That's a solid effort. Great job. Thread it all on Mr. 97.

Feeling very good about the website. Blog posts. What are you thinking? Thread it all?

What are you trying to work out? Well, I was just making intimate eye contact with me. Mr. 97.

And I said, do you want the burger? Because I was going to bring the burger over to him and he said, no, you eat it. That's nice. When you know we will do it.

Yeah, you don't have to crush this. Dude. Dude. You got shit the side of your face.

Look at my grandfather. I used to dribble. At the end of his innings. You know?

You always have a hanky. Hanky's from the 50s. Anyone born in the 50s? I mean, there is a case, though, where a hanky is quite convenient.

If you're someone who works on the tools outdoors, it is convenient. But there is the fact that you've got to put one down. He's currently got a photo for Instagram stories of what he's doing right now. Yeah, it's pretty full on shit all over his face.

And yeah, he's looking good. Anyway, hankies. I got into using a hanky because my dad also uses a hanky. So maybe it was about...

When you wash them. End of day. Oh, every day you wash the hanky. What are you going to do?

It becomes like dry. And you blow your nose on it. Of course. In the washing machine or with water?

No, in the washing machine. Just whack it in. Every day. What do you do after you've entertained yourself at night in bed?

And then what do you do with those pants? At the end of the week, you put them in the wash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poor Denise.

Anyway. Oh, well. This is... Look at this cute little slider.

When would you have... Let's say the slider. I guess it's the slider. I'm sorry.

It's not like a taco. If they called it a taco. When was the last time that you had KFC that wasn't for content? With you three grunks.

When we're coming back from Leaton. We stopped in at Shepperton. We didn't... An episode of The Big Strawberry.

Outside of that. Like when would you and Amy go and have KFC? No, we don't. We don't.

Yeah. I haven't. In a very long time. You can get like a pretty cheap box from KFC that's like a four dollar box or something.

You can get sort of thing almost like that. This is a little meal. Amy's got a few times. Do you remember when popcorn chicken came out?

I was obsessed with it. I loved it. Do you remember... 97?

It was a huge, huge thing. My brother and I, Mikey was really into it. I remember he just got his license and we'd drive up Napeen Highway to the closest KFC, which was in Ormond, and we'd get a zinger burger. It was interesting because it was specifically around getting the zinger burger.

I mean it's just... It's a lot of flavour. Yeah, but we are so spoiled now for food choices. What kids do it like?

What is the equivalent now? Going out for brunch and getting smashed avocado. That's what the fuck's up. This is what I'm confused about.

Because Brady mentions every single time some young girls who are like 14 walk past, Brady always says, I can't believe how fashionable young people are now. Is that... Is that our perception? What's going on?

100%. It is the times. The clothes that people wear now weren't popular when we were growing up. Slippery pants were.

I mean, I'm still wearing them. But there was a difference between what adults would wear and what we would wear as kids, whereas now what kids are wearing are the exact same things adults wearing. Yeah, and then you've got people like my grandfather who wear who wore slacks, shirts every day, well groomed, old school. Think about grandparents nowadays.

They'll be in fucking onesies. They'll be in Adidas. You know, they think about what is classified as cool, that kind of street wear. Like imagine a 95 year old whering itch pig.

It looks like it's just got out of jail. Yeah, it's a certain look. Well, it's cool. And I think young skaters and kids make it look cool.

Actually, no, there's definitely something to be said about old people wearing what young kids do. That old people wearing what young people would wear. And then the old people just looking cool this fact. There's a woman, I think, I remember she'd got a music festival.

She was like, you know, eighties or nineties. And she was hip. And she looks, I just remember it was like, is it tri-hard at that point? Or she's just always been cool.

Maybe she just knows the times, right? And so what we're saying is there's a shift between what old people wear and what young people wear. And so then just it's not tri-hard because that's just what people wear. I mean, it's, yeah, it's an interesting way.

I mean, people who wear, we had half her on, who is fashion is whatever the fuck he wants. Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck. It doesn't give a fuck. It doesn't give a fuck.

It doesn't think about. He's worn the same thing since I've known him. I realized that I messaged Craig Harper when I was 17, 12 years ago. That's a long time.

It had actually gone over my head that you'd contacted him for that original job. I thought that the first time I thought you went on a program that he did or whatever. And so it started way earlier. How did they even get on your radar?

Because it's not like you would have... The girl cheated on me. What was her name? Jessie.

Rachel. Rachel. And I was horrible. He's a thing, guys.

If you have a fucking partner, do you know he's cheated on you? And I know you've read the messages that say I miss you. I wish we were snuggling right now. She's cheating on you.

He's cheating on you. Get the fuck out of there. Don't do yourself a disservice. Staying around.

And so what did you... What happened? I remember I found that exact message. Looking through her phone.

Because then you become this fuckwit. Who's insecure and looking through phones and trying to find... How are we? 18.

Yeah, I was 18. I remember she didn't even come to my 18th birthday. Wait, this is before you broke up. So long ago.

We went together and she didn't even come to my 18th birthday because her friend was born in the same day, my birthday in the first of September. She went to her birthday instead, which I get it. But it's also we were dating. And it was a bit unusual.

Strange. Anyway, she was cheating on me and ended up breaking up. But her dad's new wife, so it wasn't a mum. Well, soon to be step mum.

I think they were getting married. Was it PT? She was lovely. And I was getting into it.

So I'm fucking networking with her. She had a studio at a house. And she's like, I've got to... So you're hanging out with your girlfriend's step mum.

Doing better pilates. No, nothing like that. I went around there once, I think. And then I've always thought about what I want, whether it be personal training, whether it be getting into video.

And looked for the perfect moment to network. I got my first video job by going to a cafe, bumping into a guy who I went to school with, who owned a business up in Sydney. And he said, what are you doing? What are your skills?

I said videos by the way. I said, right, I'll speak to some people at the office. I got to call that afternoon. Got to work and it kind of kicks down my career.

But same when I was young, 17, I got... I met them and I was like, I just saw it as an opportunity. Great. I'm doing this.

And for some reason, I got onto the fact that Harper's gym was somewhere I'd love to go down there. She's like, I know Craig. I've been working down there. I've never actually spoken to Craig about her since.

I wonder if Rachel's step mum listens to Harper's podcast. Yeah, maybe you reckon she would remember you? I mean, maybe it was like that was a boyfriend at that time. I actually don't think that together anymore.

Anyway, she gave me his number. And I remember where I was. I was at my Christian's house. I'd been else to work and I went out the front.

Heart beating is probably how Mason felt when he was going on his first date. I was about to call the guy named Craig Harper, who, you know, he was the man. First PT studio in Australia. Calling him.

Cold call. And so I kind of remember if she said to him that I'd be calling. It's so weird. And I just called.

And I just... I think I've had... He's numbering my phone ever since because I haven't changed my number. And I called and I just remember saying...

I basically said, I'm looking for work. I'd love to work in your gym. And he said no. You can come in and do some work experience.

And I remember going there. I remember walking from my house in Brighton because I'd quit school. And Mum was working or whatever dad was working. And I had to walk and I remember I had a cold.

But I was like, I'm not showing up. Like I just got to show up. And I did. And I felt shitty.

And I did it. But it's interesting how Harps is in here. And he's one of our biggest supporters now. I mean, what did your parents say when you decided not to go back to school?

It was a long time coming. I hadn't really been involved with school. I'd been checked out for a long time and more focused on my social life. Did they ever give you an ultimatum?

Like if you don't sort your shit out, you've got to find somewhere else to live? No. That's good. I feel like a lot of families.

I like that. I mean, it's one approach of many, right? I'm not trying to get it. Do you think that you would?

Could you imagine with Bodie? What sort of parenting are you going to be at that stage? I've always, for some reason I think if there's something tough going on, I like to pull him out of school and just go travelling with it. Like I imagine that he's just feeling shit and was just like, dude, let's fucking go.

I've just been here and Mum and whatever. Even if we've got another kid, him and I can just go and explore. I was thinking this week, I was like, I cannot wait to be able to just text him. Do you want to have lunch?

Like I can't wait for that. When he's in school, you're going to be like, what are you doing? Should we go for a biker and get lunch? Some reason.

I don't know. It's so cool. That would be fun. It's a best friend.

It's like another breed. Imagine having another breed. Actually, you know, that sort of like you love race. Unbelievably, it's like you've got that same concept.

Got another one and comfortableness around them. What happens when you have a kid with your relationship with your partner? Yeah, it's hard. It's much.

I think when we're away, I listened to this John Legend song and I was a pianist. It's amazing. It's going out with Chrissy Teigen. I know who that is.

I'm trying to give you some reference to who he is. He sings all of me. Definitely you would build out some of these songs. That's a really sad romantic.

How does it go? I'm not giving you a demo. Anyway, we danced to him at our wedding. I thought you met on the weekend.

It's one of those things. I think if you have a thing you do with your partner, ours, for Amy and I. Before we would go out and Sydney would drink some sardis and put on some John Legend. It was lovely.

We love listening to him. In one of these songs, I can't remember the words, but it was just about how relationships are hard. When you have a kid, things change. It's not as easy to have sex.

It's not as easy to connect because you've got this distraction, this thing you need to look after. It becomes more of a challenge. With that, I can see why a lot of relationships, marriages don't work when kids come into the picture. It's easy to just fucking fuck your attention on the kid and away from your relationship.

It's challenging. Do you think there's a default that you need to feel like, you know, there's that default that you should have kids and that maybe you're selfish if you don't have kids or you're missing out on something? I think you're missing out. I don't think you're selfish.

I think we're all selfish. Either way, if we have kids or not, I just think about when I didn't have kids and I thought, fuck, when was all that time that I now focus on my child doing this podcast seven days a week in business? I've also got a kid that I've found time for, which is amazing. I think the interesting bit is that it is that that's framed in missing out because I think that like everyone's got a unique experience or they're all, like everyone, like you might be a great dad or you might have, that might be an aspiration.

Missing out sounds like it's negative. I don't think it has to be. Missing out feels like it's a universal thing that you're missing out on. I don't think it's, but I don't think it has, it doesn't have to have a negative connotation associated with it.

The missing out could be, remember all it's any advice is always referenced with personal experience. So the effect, the love I have for Bodie, I would love you to experience in that way because everyone's done for me. But isn't it like from a, everyone seeks fulfillment in different ways? Yeah.

And it might not be true. But that's the thing, like the default, the way that people, some people talk about parenting or having a kid, it's using that one unique experience or this change me or I'm, you know, better off because of X, Y, and Z. What do we have to go on though? And so if it's you love reading or you love making videos, I don't, you got to try it.

And now it is one way of phrasing. It's probably not the right turn of phrase. It's amazing. It is life-changing.

It is all these things or not. You might hate it. You might be a shit dad that's like saying, ah, but it might be the thing. It's like, this is horrible.

Yeah. I like being selfish. I wonder how many people feel the pressure to have a kid or have a family or to get married or to buy a house or to do whatever it is based on the universal narrative that you've got to do it. I mean, I heard someone say in regards to having children and purpose.

Like, what's the point when you're old if you don't? That's the point. What's the point? Like, you know, to have somebody to love, to have, and if you can't do it, I get it, right?

That's why I think it comes from a privileged position. Of course it's privileged, but I don't think it's, I don't think you can, I don't think it means that you can't have that thought. And, you know, I think you can have, they're the same, like you can have a conversation about that that doesn't mean that anyone who can't do that sucked in. It's just like, it is, it is nice.

Yeah, I think it's interesting looking at it from like a, from a negative standpoint in terms of like missing out on it, because I would probably say more similar to Tommy in, in regards to wanting kids and being able to experience all the things that Tommy's talking about, but it doesn't discount the fact that you don't find in like, you won't actually, you might not find enjoyment in having those kids, or you might not experience the same emotion. So, yeah, it's, I mean, it's completely dependent upon the person. Yeah, because I guess if, if we're a wired differently, and some people are wired one way and some people are wired another way, it's like even, like I'm wary of like when we talk to Miss and I7 about relationships, we're going on it based on our unique experience. And it comes from a good place, which is like, we see the value in having long-term relationships, but there's also a bunch of people who, Craig Harper is a great example.

Someone who has a huge amount of fulfillment, has a lot of happiness. And I don't, like I don't know how productive or fair it is to, you know, feel like those people are missing out, or it's, yeah, that there's a missed opportunity. Like it, I don't think that the idea that everyone needs to become parents needs to be the thing. Yeah, I don't think, I think we'd have a massive problem if every single person that could reproduce, reproduce on this earth, we've already got, you know, overpopulation, overpopulation in some areas, they're restricting it in places like China.

It's like, you know, one child or some crazy rule. Free to deal. Do you want kids? Yeah, I want kids.

But at the same time, like, I want, like from your perspective, Tommy, I would want to have that experience with my kids someday. But at the same time, to your point, Josh, I love my alone time. And I love just being able to do what I want, what I want. I don't have to worry about taking care of this other thing in my life.

So it's, it's a bit of a toss up, but maybe it's figuring out what's best for you at that point in your life, because I'm not going to have kids now. I'm going to have kids in six, seven, eight, nine, maybe 10 years. And at that point, in further on down the road, it might be the right time for me. I guess it comes down to what are your values?

What's important in life? Because I get like, there's a lot of parents who don't say they're kids. They might as well not have a kid at all. And so I guess that's, that's part of it as well.

Like being a parent probably has a lot of pain to it. Yeah, it's very hard. It's, I personally love the purpose responsibility gives me being responsible for a child, being responsible for someone else is an ultimate privilege and really gives me fulfillment. So does that, the fulfillment that you get from having a kid, you're talking about it taking away the companionship that you have with your partner?

It definitely does. And I would say I can't speak for every relationship, but I think there is another layer of pressure it adds because there's a focus taken away from like, what are we doing on the weekend? Just us. You want to go away?

You know, like, we can't do that. And so what that creates is a lack of time to connect. So it just means that you need to work on it. Yeah.

So, because I wonder, because I think about what my future is, and I think about companionship, I think about bringing, I think about traveling and doing things and having a home and being to give love and give back and do things like having extended family or having people like Bodhi, kids in it, like that aren't ours, but that we can have shared experiences with. I think it's some. It's unique. I think you're paddling down.

You're paddling upstream. Most people are going down in terms of you thinking around kids. I don't know many people. My brother actually says he doesn't want to give.

But I don't know when he started saying that. You've been saying it forever. Well, I just wonder, I feel like there is, and maybe it's because everyone, every parent, every kid, every, like we all have parents. And so if we think about who we look up to, or who we have to model off, we have our parents, and our parents for the most part are going to say, being a parent's awesome, or you should be a parent, because that's a value that by default everyone has, because everyone has a parent.

And so I guess that's part of it too, right? Which is like the people who didn't have kids, I would hear my parents talking about, sad, like, what are they going to do when they're older? Or, you know, when is someone so going to find a partner? You know, when are they going to have kids?

But it feels like I don't, like, it feels like there's another option. At the moment, it feels like it's either you have kids, or you choose a path of less fulfillment, or... I don't think it's like that. I see what you're saying, though, that people, the way it's painted, can come across like that.

But there's a lot of fuckwits in the world that are interesting. I think it also sets the idea that by making that choice, that there's certain things within that character of the person that is not good for society in regards to, like, not, like, I think that it's either you have kids, which means you're external loving, like someone in the field and all that sort of thing, or you are independent, individually focused, not a community person. Whereas I feel like there is that other option, which is like, like, Bree and I haven't ruled out adopting. We could adopt eventually, or we could do something else, but it's just like...

Okay, the show. Yeah, because I hope you're very good. Could you imagine? Could you go to where we're picking them up from?

No, I mean, Amy has a want to adopt, and it's, it's interesting. I mean, that's a conversation where I'm on the other side, where I'm saying I want a child, like it becomes like this selfish thing where you're like, well, I want, I want a baby that's mine. Which doesn't mean I don't have empathy sympathy for kids that need to be adopted, because there's amazing kids that need a home and need loving parents. So what is it that you're then seeking?

Well, I don't know. I just, I feel like two kids is what I think in my head of what I'd like. I stopped having one. You think, for me, I was like, oh, three would be great, but then you realize one's fucking hard.

You were just thinking about what you came from for your kids. Yeah. And, and then I, and then I think about, I don't know. So this is the thing, right?

Another arm of this conversation is, are you selfish? Is it a selfish choice to want your own child, your own blood, your own mini-me? Is it this fucking narcissistic thing? I don't know.

Is it? Or is it just? I think it's interesting taking a bloodline along. I don't know.

I don't know what the answer is, but I, I feel like I, and it's a conversation Amy and I've had. And it's, it's not an easy conversation. If she wants to adopt, then I want to have a child. How much of it is practical?

How much is it like when I'm 70, there's going to be, I'm going to have kids who can come to the beach house and they're going to have kids? Like how much are you trying to? I've never thought that far. I've never thought like that.

I've never thought. I mean, I didn't think we were going to have a baby. I'm not even what I was doing when I made him, but you'd, I've never been in that. Like I've always, like Miss and I said, I'll deal.

I've never gone. Yeah, I can't wait to have kids. Like it's happening in this day. Don't wait planning.

It just happened. Yeah. This is great. But you've, I think that in regards to, I reckon you're very engaged as a dad compared to a lot of people.

Like it is a priority. You're thinking about what needs to be done. There's a lot of, like I think about the old school thing, which is like, yeah. Like my dad was at work a lot.

So it's like he's working, mums, you know, taking his school, dropping off all that. So I think that feels like there's more, like I was calling Blarge this morning. He's like, I'm dropping off, you know, the kids or whatever. It's like, but my dad wasn't really, like he was already left by six and.

Yeah. Yeah. I was working the same too. Loving.

I'd have was really loving. He's really loving. If not more of a softy than he's ever been since I was having grandkids and seeing a different, but I feel regret. I feel guilt working like being in late, not being able to pick him up.

I feel those things because I actually want to spend time with him. What do you think about the pressure of parents having to have a career doing well within their work and then also having kids and being a great parent? It is a complex, a cohesion, one of the women at daycare, inappropriately said to Amy because we picked him up, picked up early late. Why?

Because he was acting up. He pushed the baby over. He's a kid. He's just a bit out there.

He's not. He's a baby being a fucking idiot. That's what everybody told me. But she said in reference to his behaviour, is this why you leave?

Is this why you drop you off early and pick him up late? It was something along those lines which is super fucking triggering and inappropriate for somebody who we're paying money. The problem is I think it's highly emotional and her job is very hard and emotionally taxing because I know it's like being around a kid for a couple of hours before they go to sleep, let alone 30 kids that are running around. There's no time between.

I can get how it could just be emotionally draining because other times she's amazing and she loves Bodie, this woman. Did you bring it up with her? I wasn't in the conversation. It's literally happened twice where she said something like this and I haven't been there.

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