It's a daily talk show episode 395 what's going on guys? How are we? I'm very well for Tuesday big news with their mr. 97 What's the big news of lenders back working?
You know that that's a win for a big guy I mean, that's how you started your day. Yeah, my dad started my son told me that he doesn't like he's daddy Really what were you being a dick into it? I just went in to pick him up and he just started wriggling. No, I don't like daddy Sorry, mate.
All right. You want your mommy? Yeah, well, mommy. It sounds like fun.
Do you tell him words have power? I said, oh, no, no, he just isn't really nice. He's sleeping in his hungry. We didn't give him milk last night trying to cut him back I think he's getting a bit fat This is dairy like a normal like cow's milk.
We give him cows milk But most kids are on cows milk and they're on breast milk and then they try and you get them formula and it becomes too expensive So you get him actually can be expected. They just start drinking less and so we got him on to arm so much sugar in formula Okay, I mean she's a milk is a form of sugar Fructose lactose sucrose, they're all you know, but he drinks quite a bit of milk and he loves it loves it going to bed I think it becomes a bit of it like what's your little dummy? Or definitely I booked with at the moment for me peanut butter toast Oh, yeah, I just I had to uber eats today. Just as a way of breaking that bread Yeah, well because I had yeah a lot of what probably for the past two weeks.
I reckon yeah, it's like I've got bread I'd just like it's lunchtime. I'm hungry. I mean speaking of broken bread mr. 97 What are the most infuriating arguments?
We've ever had and we don't have many like I think about the paper I'll just tell you this is a nice. This is a compliment before I get stuck into you There's a there's a thing in the meditation app with Sam Harris and you meant to think about somebody who you have an Uncomplicated relationship with that you really like I think about you and I think and I and it's like it's about us For some reason and you have to sort of recite things like to the fucking push over I just does whatever you say you guys you recite these really nice things around wishing that you have no pain or no any A bunch of these things. I don't know if you've got that far in the app Sam How's that it's really like nice? It's like these passages or sayings to try and create a feeling inside and then you trends You know you're transmitting that feeling over to you.
It's like it's really nice It's like it's almost like him to you. It's almost like I'm just asking it He's like who's so many life that you have an uncomplicated relationship my son. Oh, why he doesn't even like any more No, that's why I say me so I said but the infuriating conversation was when you went to your mates Greek church and and you do you go up and you get the bread and you do, you know, the I can't remember what it's called the The Sun, you know the father of a son the Holy Spirit. Amen.
You're using your hand to go My mum would be furious at me right now But you touch your head you touch sort of towards your sternum You go up to your left shoulder and you go across to your right and then you come in and pray with your hands together You and I had a had a discussion and you're like mate No, you go from your head down to your jet and then you go across your right shoulder Then you go across to your left and I said no I said no, I'm telling you it is rather and I'm like no, it's the other way. I used to go to fucking church I was a little church boy. I do more of like just a circle I had to call my mom I had to call mom and say often to go to church every week or not No, no, but she prays a lot. She prays and she prays for you really I'm sure she prayed for you And that's nice she prays for a lot of people she's love her and I have an uncomplicated relationship Do you think I mean you can think of her if you got through the same harris app?
Yeah As far as I Pass the 50 days and then it goes into the other unbroken are you on the app? I haven't I haven't had a Since Matt de Vell is month where he started. I really want to do it. I haven't been saying how much of change I reckon it's the meditation, isn't it?
Yeah, you're going to a psychologist or no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but that's a bit like In all seriousness, you don't get angry at anything. I mean, I was angry at mr 97 for fucking up the hand movements and mum mum just back me up on that one. Is it a different thing for Greek? You're the other one with the power of googling hands right there.
I don't think there's any difference. It's Catholicism I don't think it's changing going up. We're great. We're going right.
It's all about head down to sternum across the heart and then Across the shoulder and then in the middle there are people that have them who was it? I sort like they've got it their heart is on the other side. Oh, geez. That's full on like their hurts on the right Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, no, I have heard of this and I think they can it's actually a comedian Because they do a whole bit where they were like are they were showing someone and then they put their head and then people walked in What am I favorite quotes? Not that I just think it's clever your heart's on the left because it's not always right Oh, that's that's nice. You know following heart. You've really you've you have softened.
I think a lot plus I think that we did an episode Probably like a year ago where I asked if you're a feminist. Oh, yeah, you got so angry about the whole thing And the thing and so and even yesterday you um you call me girl and then you yeah pick yourself up later I don't know about it. Well, I felt I felt what I see I never said don't be a girl I said are you big girl and I thought about after I was like words have meaning obviously and I was thinking about And I was thinking about what did I actually mean because I think we respond to things in the moment Well, we get the context of why we're saying it so you could say you're a big girl Which could have the connotations that's a negative thing to be a girl, which I don't think I think it's a fucking if you're a girl You're a girl. It's great.
I was being wrong. No, I thought you and what I meant by the girl thing I probably and this is a thing. It's I should choose a different word I should choose a different phrase right because I didn't feel good about it after you said it But what I meant was like the gossip nature of your behavior in that moment and that's the hope but that is still Like what do we got like it's like a lot of like you could say men are more aggressive and yeah, but I was saying men are more aggressive And you could so the the opposite would be saying oh you got you got aggressive like a man or you gossip like a girl I mean gossip girl didn't do any good. No, but that was a fucking bloke.
I've just spoiled it for you Yeah, I was a guy really you didn't ruin that whole thing No, I mean, this is the thing right words do have power you're a grunt move But you were trying to sort of like plant a little fucking gossip seed on mr. I said you were defending mr. I7 but in the As a result, yeah, you then threw under at the bus a whole Yeah, it's not true that there's there's if you look at how young teenage girls how they kind of do a lot of damage It's by the gossip chain. It's like the talking and stuff That's what I mean, but then what happens when like if someone's if if a woman is in a role within a business and they're having a conversation about someone We might be more likely to say are they gossiping whereas we might not say the same thing so all of a sudden it comes as double Standard what I've fine hard.
I mean we have to choose our words I think we've done so many episodes that you could tell if we were fuck with tonight by now We would have come undone. Yeah, and so people who think we're fucked with probably not listening. They're probably not listening I'll let you choose little bits I can only handle them in snippets. I mean they've jumped into different podcasts and heard us at a moment Yeah, where they've just built out something and that's the thing about this podcast if you finish yesterday And you're grumpy at me for saying that which I'm probably sure you didn't even fucking register it I registered it.
That's why I told you about it I didn't feel it So I think that's the effect it needs to have on the person who says it because if other people just get angry at shit The people are saying but they don't feel it inside. There's a problem Right, but I guess part of it too is that how default is to defend our position Hmm, and so in some regards like you was you were trying to provide context Yeah, well I try position which there's probably something to be said which is I actually think it's I think it has to be the case I think you need to understand somebody's context to truly understand You can't just pull out the fucking night the the weapon and hit them without listening because I don't think it's right to then defend Something but I think context is important, but maybe there's something in Saying hey, this is why I don't feel good about it and then saying this is what I was thinking No, I don't think maybe you did the job of saying why it didn't make you feel right, so you're like people I'm talking about it Right didn't make me feel right based on the things you've said the thing that it can lump a bunch of people into one category Yeah, and then I think the hard thing in a progressive society is to look at It's to not even acknowledge some things right? I'm not even talking about the thing that I just said but seeing certain clusters like men as aggressive or women's like There are some things that are they just thrown out then but that sort of Generalization but some generalizations are in existence, right? So that's where I find it hard to sort of and everyone's it's a balancing act to work out Okay, what do you truly believe in like what do you what's it's small language shifts?
Yeah? Yeah, if I think if brain and I having some form of our argument I'd be more likely to say I think you're being an asshole right now Whereas like maybe 15 years ago you'd say you're being a bitch the thing is that the it feels like it's a note Like it's a lose lose using that language because it doesn't have it straightaway shows your Unconscious unconscious bias, but it shows that you're applying that whereas everyone can be an asshole I think I think there's a good shift there going from yeah Anyway, but sometimes people are being assholes. That's the other thing, you know when you're in an argument or something You're being an asshole versus you are an asshole. I think it's different Yeah, but I've also had this with my wife and I use that No, you aren't an asshole, but you're being an asshole right now.
Don't be a bitch. Yeah. No, you're not one Yeah, but I just don't go down that track. I don't want you to regret it.
It's that you can't even say I think it's the same weight even though Words have meaning. I think it's like what I said don't you're being a girl is also not far from don't be a girl I don't think I think people hear it and they hear the one that's more the one that I think is worse by the choice of words But they're still counting the same thing. So it doesn't like you're not doing yourself a service So what I'm saying is me saying You're you're being a girl is the same as saying that Yeah, cuz it's like saying cuz it's like the there's that whole campaign where it's like you run like a girl What does it mean to run like a girl and they don't have you seen that? But then it yeah, it's hard.
I don't think like I just think it's it's better not like in general putting those Those words on either gender because it feels like it I think there's a lot of people from our generation maybe mr. 97's dinner actually he's pretty loose not saying that you about this stuff But I've heard you and I said you've pulled up from anyone of things that you've said that you've worked out I actually shouldn't say that yeah a few times with using the words like retarded. Yeah, yeah, no any more no And that's the thing what was it? What did it used to be?
I mean, this is thing young kids didn't grow up thinking that the word with the meaning of retarded was the actual thing I'm saying that you are and that's young people it takes time to learn this shit that fucking it's not it's not okay So do you think that there's then a portion of the population that was previously isolated based on the language say what do you mean? Well, they're people who really care like who spearheaded actually it's not okay Like 15 years ago when you're like watch films or whatever and they would say retarded It was sort of it seemed like it was like it was funny because you didn't really connect it Yeah, but maybe part of it is because like now we're so much more connected We empathize with the people who it does actually impact so it's always impacted someone it always has exactly like it's all of a sudden It's like all these a group of people now care about this That's why I don't think we should just crucify somebody as they say because a young kid I think about kids that would say right they're not actually meaning the person that is suffering from a disability like as a kid I used to say heaps the words that I'm fucking mean They literally had no weight within me. They're still using a word and so there's an education piece That's why I don't think you should just people should just be in trouble in the first instance It's like the grunk that keeps saying this shit He's the fucking grunk and has the problem and needs to be you know, however you deal with there's something fun about using taboo words I mean, yeah, like with your mate like I guess that's the risk isn't it is it like like comedy, you know What sort of thing there's something is it wrong that there is an internal bond created when you say naughty things? That's why I think right the person who is getting annoyed at someone like me that says that thing It's like everyone fucking slips up not everyone's in a position where they have their voice recorded every day And so that's that is a difference the podcast between Sam Harrison Ricky Gervais is Phenomenal and so very intelligent people Sam Harris is the guy that has the meditation app that I use and they did two and a half hour episode They go into this about Ricky who's a comedian who makes jokes and he's looking at the progressive society And he's a lefty right he agrees with a lot of things with the left and says one thing he jokes about something from the right and next minute He's a right-wing Nazi and I think he articulates because he's in a position where he uses a lot of words They have meaning but he's thought about how he's using them and they still get taken out of context You think that maybe also the risk of saying like you're being a girl or you're acting like a girl or you're a big girl It's a negative it's a negative context But also maybe it's like also think about dudes like we did the whole the line campaign or whatever Which is like to be a guy you have to be a certain way you have to be aggressive You have to be and so that's the other side of it Not only is it negative towards women or puts them in a position But it's also setting up the expectation of what we're meant to be versus well But think about also like you see like battle of the sexes like think about the amount of shit that they used to be in the mainstream media That they just wouldn't be today most of the shit that we hate growing up the The racism that we like it was only you didn't even classes racism back when you were young Yeah, it's phenomenal.
It's like well think about like I'm glad that my son won't have that kind of shit I remember have original jokes as a kid going around the school like fucking that is inappropriate And so I'm glad we've come from a time where we've been able to see right we've come from over here And we're going to a place where it is a much more It's it's more of an unacceptable thing. Yeah, so is that then political correctness? Because I think the people who when you start talking about politically correct you start throwing it into a basket of no But it's actually okay. You guys are all just winging it So I think there's a whole bunch of shit that can be taken off the table that isn't that isn't good And I think then when that stuff's taken off the table a few people get upset that they got their thing that they like taking off the table I mean I wonder whether You wonder what the future is gonna be like I know 97 you've got younger siblings or what's the what's the vibe?
Do you think it's going to become more sort of like this way? Or do you think that like I think some people say it's uh, we're overcorrecting at the moment, and that's gonna go back But then yeah, I don't think it's gonna go back I just think the the Ricky Ugeveys talks about the noise that he hears from his Twitter account is like walking past a bin And there's a guy in there yelling profanities back at him He said that's that's the equivalent of and he's like it's a small percent in so right now the noise that we hear Doesn't speak for everybody, but he's very noisy. All right, so if someone gets taken down online and shit It's like you go outside. That's what Ricky says.
He's like you're in your Twitter, and it's fucking crazy You guys are like no one's actually saying any shit And so I think young people are much more progressive than we were when we were younger What is it actually like equal in regards to conversation and living and what does actually mean? Well, I don't think the whole thing is like over correcting because you still got like we've still got like way more to go in terms of uh rights and equality, but Yeah, it's it's hard like I just I just hope that it continues like because you got all the noisy people right and it's like you listen to uh like some of the guests that Joe Reagan has on and they're talking about like the 4% of people that are all the vocal ones that are really really uh, I guess progressive, but majority of people Like I guess it just comes back to empathy and kindness like you just you look at all the people that are like they're not being recognized for who they are or whatever and Yeah, I don't know. It's is there an all-encompassing values set because I guess everyone has different values. Yeah, exactly So how do we that's I think that's where the empathy comes in.
I don't think your values matter I think if you just put yourself in their shoes then You're you're living through their values. So if you can understand that then regardless of your values doesn't matter Yeah, and so but then I guess there's a level of understanding that needs to happen which Unless you're part of those like I think that what's maybe helped me over the years is listening to stuff That's not people like us talking like there's one way Think about it We didn't have the conversation around gay marriage and and a quality like this was in a conversation when we were young Yeah, so I wonder about I never once thought anything about gay people like I've never once thought it's not okay in every my life But you would also that's that's gay 100% it was it was like a detached your vocabulary was detached from the thing Exactly, but then in now like now young kids that are that same age There's the thought of you know the conversation around gay marriage and all of these things Which then makes you think more about it So you then start thinking and having more of an opinion about it whether that opinion be I totally support same-sex marriage You know which we didn't have that thought because there was no same-sex marriage to support back then it was not okay Right, and so it wasn't even conversation. So I think it's a good thing that young people are Being exposed to these things because it makes them think and then it makes them Start to see what do we want? I didn't feel like when I was young I had a say in what we wanted.
Did you did you feel that? Like It feels like you were your opinion was based on the older people around you Exactly, that's all you had so it's like oh you would see something and then there'd be you would hear your parents or whoever it was Talking about that thing and then like that's the way of the way that it is But then I guess nowadays It's not like you just have you're not just watching home improvement and like TV But you can like go online and follow people on instagram who are really progressive who are bringing up these issues Yeah, but young people are then you know consuming I guess part of it is it's like Which is a privileged position to be in but like how do you not like stress about like how do you just like as everyone just chill How do you be empathetic and all that sort of thing but also just chill the fuck out where it doesn't sort of Draw like it feels like for a lot of people especially if you're in a minority It is all-consuming like you'll listen to you know, I listen to um african-american people and having a podcast and every conversation's around color It's like it's not it doesn't even feel like it's wouldn't even think of it necessarily as an issue But then it's because they're living this day. Yeah I think podcasts and you know the internet has given us access to people's internal dialogue Yeah, and so But even charlemagne the god, I was listening to his audio book and he was talking about how All of those things those narratives ended up being a disservice because he was always quick to say like Positioner that like everyone's out to get me on the minority which um, it's hard. We're not in the position to um to really give any Interesting insights into it Tell us feeling yesterday.
That's good. Oh, you know, I'm good. Just aren't just touching back on that I think there's a lot of people talking about it and a lot of people bringing it up But I don't think everyone's necessarily listening In listening and understanding right because you can talk and I can listen to you But if I don't understand what you're saying, I'm not going to retain it and I'm not going to do anything Right, and there's I'm not taking any action about it And I think that's what a lot of not to say that everybody is But I think a lot of people are doing is there They see it on instagram and stuff and all the stuff about color and gender and everything that's going on Everyone's seeing it. They're reading about it, but they don't understand what it means to them and how it impacts their life, right?
So yeah, yeah, it's it's saying it seems um, you're working out what the actionable bits are I think it's the um is interesting bit. I think also You're saying a year ago. We had a conversation about whatever You actually having conversations out loud with people is what I believe one of the only ways to start really solidifying You're thinking and questioning how you might respond to something So you might actually say the wrong thing but it's only because of it an existence that you've had up until this point where It's just a reaction like the girl thing is like, yeah, you know There's there's campaigns against people saying that shit the people who are saying that shit have probably grown up saying that shit And so it's time for a change and and that's where starting to talk about these things with people Well, it's almost your older self like I think the funny thing is in those moments where you when you said said that I was thinking like It's it's in alignment with you five years ago or whatever, but it doesn't fit like it's it's the Your vocabulary or the way of speaking is catching up with your point of your worldview. Yeah, don't you think?
Yeah, 100% and Where you are today versus 10 years. So if someone listens to this conversation in 10 years time It seems like primitive Actually where if you're the same person 10 years forward, I think you're a shitty bloke. You're a shitty person You should you go whatever you're a shitty person and it's so true because There should be some growth. There should be some level of growth if you're stuck in your ways as a person now fucking use it I'll say gay That's come on.
Don't you just have a think about it a little bit more But that's why talking it through if you're around a bunch of people do the same shit You probably go chamber or whatever. I think I think I think I'm definitely More progressive from hanging around with you. What do you think that like if you think about the feminism stuff? Like I'm trying to remember that it.
I remember it felt hated. Yeah, but it's also like I think there's probably I think you asked me if I'm a feminist and I said why do I have to answer that? I like equality for women fucking off like all these things. So yes, I have all the traits of So that was my point but the the the bit that you should be completely comfortable with which I think you are now He's saying I'm a feminist like it doesn't like it's not a trick question I think people assume this is some fucking big trick question and it works I think it's even changed since we've spoken about it I think that noise around People who are shitty feminists and making it making all the feminists who just want equality for women Making them look bad because there has been a time that that's happened right And so I think most people are like most people should be feminist If we're not by the shitty feminist people who have given a bad rap where it's an attack on men Or there's been you know, men are the enemy style because a feminist Like I look at my wife and she's gone from having those feelings that anger towards men to Having a complete shift where she's still a feminist but she doesn't have those feelings anymore Yeah, and so it's the it's the case if you can't lump all feminists in with the feminist that are taking it a bit far And abusing men because it's like that's not how it works.
Yeah, so there's multiple facets of that What do you think about like having a podcast having a you know a daily talk show? We're talking I was talking to miss an ice event about it's like could we be talking more about news? Should we be talking more about things that are happening out and about? Then are you getting news from?
Well, he gets on here and they go to the very tech heavy tech heavy. Yeah, but I mean, what's the uh What's our responsibility? What do we want to be talking about like just in general? I mean these conversations This is should I think about it my head a lot?
And so if there was a I think it'd be a problem if I never thought about this stuff and I maybe say it's probably something Trying to explore but it's not easy to explore this stuff I think there's a way to that comes with talking about this because you're trying to choose your words to not be fucking caught out or like or just Not articulating how you actually feel Which is wise then people can say I gotcha. Yeah, but they haven't got I feel like I'm a good person. Yeah, I feel like you know I'm all those things and so I just I like having fun. I like talking about fun stuff.
I like talking about stories are like having experiences Reven you guys up a bit you did something fun. You didn't post a story last night of a car That was covered in stickers. Oh, yeah, it's just it was just pulling up alongside. I was like what the fuck is this stickers all over this thing?
And on it said they look homemade like what I do I like if we just got a bunch of little stickers that had like a big media company um our address You know the daily talk show the website and then they stick almost over the car because that you would see On an envelope they're labels. They're like labels that you'd put on something So if you lose it, they don't have a menu log sticker as well Yeah, and so I thought but then I read read the actual so they've used the stickers to make it uh say something And so it's come or no come zero three nine five three four eight eight three call me baby And I mean I was like absolutely not what is that? And I'm looking at the driver. This dude.
I'm just like Is this a brothel? Are you working? What is this? This is seems to have to do brothels on menu log Well, I don't know if the menu log mentioned.
It was a shitty car. I was like surely you can't Love those. Yeah, menu log feels like it's one of those stickers In a sense because it just stay on buildings. It'll go through six different restaurants But the menu log stick will always stay so I ended up posting it on the day.
It's all shows in stuff Yeah, well, I didn't I thought someone else would and someone else did Shades they make shades ends at the center through our number one hype man, and um, it's marchong restaurant the chinese dim sum and cantonese fair Where's like so they're just doing deliveries on there's a lot of work that's going into that stick Maybe the other six cells So do you think that's what they're going for? No, it's like come or no come. It's like call me baby Yeah, call me baby. It's complete sexual connotation.
Yeah Anyway, it's just a Chinese restaurant channel has a We've we update the homepage of the daily talk show calm every few days. Yeah, they can go see what we're doing there If you are listening this far do an insta story Screen grab your podcast now, but we'll take like I like the ones where people have taken a photo rasky loves a gym photo Oh, yeah, Jim takes a photo of the video, which is cool. That's a good idea So you can see where you're out listening to it. Love that.
We're hitting episode 400 on sunday Yeah, sorry excited for that. But also many guests from after episode 400. You'll start to see is flurry a word Yeah, make flurry a flurry f l u r y. Yes, a flurry of guests.
Put an emcee at the front I'm a clurry of get now. We're gonna have a flurry of guests starting episode 400 I'm pissed off about me flurries back in the day They had a machine that they would put the actual spoon up into and then they would hold it up and go Now they're just like dump it on and leave it's just like you can just mix it yourself I know but pre mix is so good. You still get pre mix alcohol. Yes.
Yeah, what's that got to do with? Well, no, it's just talking pre mix. There was a they tax it higher or something where in Australia recently I mean you speak in a drink. I just feel like there was in Australia.
It's very I remember doing a school debate What about on pre mix drinks? Should you tax them? Yeah, it was something about like should young people should I think they wanted to set it up So they're like should there be an should it be an older age to have access to pre mix drinks? Ah, which is a little bit confusing because The young people are liquor.
Yeah, at a young age. Yeah, you gotta mix it yourself in America They don't do as many pre drinks as us pre mix pre mix or pre drinks. Sorry. Did I say pre drink?
I don't do pre mix like what we do We have the like all the Bourbons and cans and shit. They're just they're liquor so cheap. It's 15 bucks for a huge bottle of bourbon I do understand pre drinks a lot more as I get older. Why?
Well, I never said about it sounds fucking boring But part of the price and so they're trying to get tips you before and plus now you know people are actually gone backwards as you get older Less people doing pre drinks. Oh, really? It's a young thing because young people are tied us It's like I do pre drinks at my house all the time and my mate would bring around Bourbons and fucking we'll get pissed before we go to the back Because we're too tight-ass to spend it like a certain like people being socially awkward They try and have a drink beforehand. Nah, that's not a thing.
Yeah, sure When you're getting dressed and stuff. I've been smashing a few. I just like it and a bit fucking bit. How you going before?
That's a bit out of pre drinks though, aren't they? Yeah, but you're saying I understand pre drinks where but that was a mindset of the young kids drinking heaps before they go out Because then they don't want to spend anymore. I'm sure it's a thing. I'm in college.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
What about like, I guess what we're not sure about is older people I mean older people just got less time. Look, I'll meet you at the bar, right? Fuck. I got it sorted out the kids and you know And what you're saying is well while they're putting their pants on the stuff.
They're having it maybe one in the shower It'll be a bit of the pre drink culture in my experience was when I was young 16, 7, and 8, and 9. I would have people aren't doing pre drinks. You're just meeting at the bar. You're just going out for dinner.
I mean, you think it makes sense that people have more money as they're a bit older. Which for me sounds like more pre drinks, but what you're saying is no pre drinks. It's not the pre drinks like it used to be. I can show you photos of the pre drinks that we used to have.
It's a daily talk show. Hi, the daily talk show.com. You're a pre drinker. I think Gemma wants to do it.
I'm not saying no one does it. I'm a pre drinker production drinker and pro production drinker. All three. But otherwise we'll see you tomorrow guys.
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