It was a time of great desolation chaos and darkness reigned brother pitted against brother babies having babies and then rising like the Phoenix a Podcast dedicated to the wackiest of the DC TV tochos return to the airwaves the hosts bell Kyle and the cute Will having nothing better to do on A Thursday night will be talking to you America about their 12th favorite show on television together They will band together and take you on a mad camper rock so without further ado straight out of the timeline and right into your ears I'm Bell I'm Kyle and I'm cute Will And this is legends TV time, okay, that's it Will you can't watch any more strong bad emails before writing these intros anymore? All right, you got it. I will I'll stop We're back we're back we're live We were debating on what we wanted to go with as far as our we're back and it was kind of divided We don't want to get sued by one or music group or whoever I'm not going to sing the backstreet song Put playing it in my heart. It was that the one because that's you know, that's my jam.
Okay, well, that's that's good No, I will not play games with your heart and I wear a white suit whenever I sing it I Do I think it's safer. Yeah, I do too anyway, how you guys been it's been a long six months But you know what we're back and it's it's a legends and it's and it's back in fashion and back in style And it's just as wacky and campy as it was it's back. I Yes back and it's you know what? It's it's good.
Yeah, I'm gonna say you know me I am the biggest writing detractor and oh there were holes, but But overall it was a point where my girlfriend Wow Where my girlfriend thought she actually enjoyed it she she had to watch it with me because you know I made her and because I turned off the magic world championships this weekend because she was like, okay, that's the geek limit I've watched flash. I've watched your space shows. I love Firefly. I cannot watch magic the gathering just a bunch of nerds playing cards Just like that's my limit.
I'm like, okay, but we're watching legends She's like, okay, well, you know, it's funny, right because you know legends We talk about the plot holes and everything like that and legends is one of those shows where you know the writing doesn't bother me as much because it understands And it realizes it's you know, can't be in terrible So I think that bothers me way less than shows Every time that there is a plot hole or something ridiculous. It happens. I just want one of the characters to look directly in the camera And really the fourth wall break you really want that oh, I do I do so bad. I do so bad I want that on here.
It belongs in Deadpool, and that's it Yes, I would have to agree with that in fact I worried that that was gonna be the way things were gonna go after Deadpool was so successful was Everybody's gonna be doing the fourth wall break. Well, I'm saying like a fourth wall break I'm saying like somebody looks directly at the camera and then like you know Raise like who are you looking at and then it turns around behind the character looking at someone else over there? So it's like a pseudo fourth wall break a chance silent Bob movie who'd want to see that? I know right.
That was great. That was a good example. Yes Anyway, anyway, it's been a good summer. Hope you guys had a good summer as well.
I re-watch legends season 2 Did you really I I did not I'm not a good host. I the only show that I re-watch No, I got it on blue race. I'm like, oh my god might as well and then I watched the crossover so like I got to finish the season now I watched the season one pilot of the flash over the over the break That was about all that I could manage to do it hold up It does it really does I would recommend anyone go back and watch it and then be like wow This is a good show and then you know kind of see where it's come and then you know be hopeful for the future I wanted to go back and rewatch season one of legends, but I couldn't bring myself to it I didn't get me to you. I was gonna ask me to rewatch legends.
I was like, please tell me you know Hate watch season one. Oh, no, no Yes, sorry You need a rib shot Okay, yes, I'm in charge Season two was actually enjoyable. I enjoyed it overall I thought they did a decent job just embracing the camp and making it fun, right? I agree Yeah, yeah, so I was really looking forward to season three and was pretty excited about watching this series opening and you know I think I was ready for a history lesson Yeah Listen All right season three episode one aruba con get it Crossing the aruba Anyway, so was directed by Rob Siden glans I So the director of this episode was the director of the season two finale last year.
Oh Here's any fact a sight and glans translates to silky or silky she No Rob silky she Yeah, you know ladies love silky she and he's a very hairy man I hear so That would lie So this episode was written by Phil Klimmer and Mark Guggenheim and why don't let's let's Kyle yeah, let's go Well in the altered Los Angeles the legends encounter rip reveals that he has created the time bureau to replace the console bureau agents fix the act I'm just like me And rip the spans the legends six months later the legends are living normal lives the snulchick for their previous adventures in aruba Mick captures Julia Caesar and informs Sarah who takes ray and Nate and requests to prove their worth to the bureau after delivering the wrong Man and being dismissed by rip the legends drive by jacks and reluctant sign Still the way writer and capture the real Caesar when ripped the man's they deliver Caesar to the bureau and let the bureau fix the Anachronism the legends choose return Caesar the 49 BC themselves during the return Caesar's deal and Caesar steals Nate's history book And uses this knowledge to conquer the world the bureau arrives and sees is the operation during an excursion to retrieve the book Agent Sharp is captured forcing rip to allow the legends to fix the anachron Mechanicism Ripto sharp that the legends can be useful in neutralizing mollis in Zembazi Night and Zembazi 1942 a more powerful Amaya attacks a group of poachers who seek to harm her village That was a mouthful. I almost forgot about the dramatic How can I forgot about that? Well, I don't understand these big words. All right, so so right anachronism and catechism Jews He Yeah, so so yeah season opener before we dive into the episode initial thoughts what did you guys think I enjoyed it there?
Rip rips getting on my nerves. We'll talk about that later. I know right. Yeah, we're gonna hit that man I it was weird seeing the legends in their day-to-day lives I was thinking that they would just go back to being superheroes in Star City or Central City, but it only happened with one of them So yeah, but um, it was nice to see the the some of the team back together Yeah, well, yeah for sure.
I Thought it was okay. I'm gonna give it a six out of ten I mean there were there were some holes and there were the second act I mean it just kind of dragged a little bit until Caesar stole the book like I'm like Kyle I was like why why you guys are super heroes. You're still superheroes like you you originally went on this trip to you know Be kidding names for yourselves and you know here you are your bet your sent back home and instead of you know trying to continue to make a name for yourself you're like, oh, I'm gonna go work in a bet to be on and throw knives at a very strange looking dude like just Didn't fly with me with with the characters they created but overall I mean it was a fun ride I found myself laughing I was enjoying it. It was good.
So six out of ten for me. Nice. Okay So yeah, so we start out the episode you know the legend of 2017 We have dinosaurs and big band and all these buildings and stuff in the wrong place the wrong time And and so it all of a sudden poof the T-rex is like I'm gonna eat you and it's like nom it's gone Then we find out that rip who is now complete and total douchebag has spent the last five years although to them It only seems like moments But he spent the last five years fixing all the problems that the legends have created and erasing the memories of everyone involved in those And acronyms or mechanisms or all the different words that make used to describe them Yeah, so what happened with with with rip why the sudden change of heart why he was like, you know Oh, you guys are great and you're awesome in your legends and now he's like you guys suck Because because Sarah went really against what he was saying about going back in time to a place that they've previously visited So he's like if I can't trust these people I gotta get with people Like he was still he was all part of that he left after every one but he's still after everything But you yeah, those 15 minutes went by when Sarah saw him last yeah, so but then he had to know like five years Yeah, he had to all hold it in and down on it when it's like dude you were there like if you were gonna get pissed off He's in charge. It's it's the it's the power struggle or the pack your bag's went on a power trip power to that It's been a long day Yeah, yeah, that's what I feel like you know, there's a really uncarried to risk Rick I'm Seem of him and how he's kind of accepted these legends for him to just sort of turn his back on him like they you know You know the big of a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel for brain surgery and stuff and it's like yeah But you were complicit in everything that they did and it's kind of a weird sort of Sort of change I don't think so I don't think I'm first character we could talk about this now if you want but I don't think it's a change for his character Don't forget.
This is the guy who started out grabbing a bunch of people telling him you're gonna be legends when in actuality They he grabs them because they you know basically don't exist, you know, he's consistently Made misled. I mean he went and hit himself in time without telling anybody, you know without even really leaving a way to come back You know if it wasn't for everything that went down in season two to get him back So I'm not surprised by this. This is kind of his MO He's always been kind of like well, I'm the time guy so go F yourselves and you know la de da I just thought that there's at least a little bit of a development with him where he kind of you know work past those issues and like You know they developed a little bit more in my opinion that he wasn't he actually did care You know about the legends and he you know respected them on some level It's kind of what I got you know with this character by the end of season two So that's why I felt a little bit different because all that stuff that had happened and all these you know But I guess that's what five years cleaning up a bunch of garbage that you aren't technically responsible for does to you Maybe I don't know just it it was interesting to see him go from I Support you Sarah you're the captain now and like look at me look at me you are the captain now You know one of those kind of situations to him going like I suck I'm gonna just ban your team But you know we're gonna do and so we see the legends trying to adapt to a normal life and they just don't quite do it I love the scene where Sarah Daydreams that she kills her manager. I was like that's So bad so bad.
I wanted her to kill the dude just walk out and be like not that ain't me You know like burn the place down, but I think out of any of them. I would say that obviously make had the best Normal life so to speak where he's robbing stuff and hanging out in the ruba, but next to him I think Nate Had a pretty decent you know pretty decent setup right because you know he's got these new superhero powers and he's central cities Awesomeist superhero so yeah, you know freaking Right, yeah, well, you know the flash being gone and that's the thing right then he'd be the third age really like what is he sea level? He would be what about yeah, what about Cisco so? He told me forget about this guy forget about Dre.
You can't do that No, but yeah, so I don't know I think you know cuz cuz obviously Ray wasn't happy and Working for a dating company that instead of swapping left and right goes up and down Which is I love their little commentary on Silicon Valley because that's basically everything is nowadays It's like we're either the uber of X or we're a dating app where we you know use a holistic social network to make an algorithm That basically makes everything up and it doesn't really do it. Oh, yeah, I'm not dating sucks just saying Yeah, yeah, so so yeah, what do you guys think who had the best outcome in their normal rep non-legends lives Stein Okay, rip doesn't count because we're gonna build on him. I say Stein, but I like that yeah grandpa Stein Which I can talk about that later to what's time yeah Cuz that's totally the I'm gonna retire and get a boat moment. Yeah.
I'm not gonna miss my grandchild. I'm like a boy I'll be back before she has birth That's the thing man, it's like I wonder you know after the events of everything that happened clearly They didn't go back to the point where they left so they didn't even do that when they could have that's what I was wondering Do not like okay sure yeah like why take it to 2017 why not take them back to the start of 2016 for me? You're like all right there I think it's because all these shows they live in this continuity were like during the offseason stuff actually happens in this universe And so you can't have legends being 2016 and Arrow and flash and super girl being 2017 It's just it's it's an interesting conundrum. They have to face You actually could have though and imagine that okay imagine instead of six months later They were there for a year they went through the alien invasion and they had to stay out of their own way during that time like they were back Oh, maybe that's why because they were in time they were in that time period Could they be in that time?
Yeah, cuz they've been back in time when they're there before so they would have to stay out of their own way They would have to be like we can't go during the alien invasion We can't screw with time, but they could have been there for an entire year and then the left and they came that actually could have been Yeah, and then come back and be like we were here for a year and you know so while all these adventures were going on We were still living normal lives, which is even more torturous. You're like you know right now I'm sitting there punching you about thought in the face instead of flipping a burger Well, they kind of already did that in season one when they were left behind it was Sarah Ray and Shaira Yeah, they already did that story line, so I don't think they would read it Yeah, but I see your point But I would like I would like to have seen that like we're gonna live for a year in your own lives And then you know be like wow I really miss doing this and you can even still go six months You know if you wanted to have the six months later, yeah Yeah, my question is why is why is the headquarters for this organization for the time Bureau in the 21st century so this is something I wanted to talk about right yeah cuz the time Lords had time Lords no Time Yeah, that's that's completely different So yeah, the time masters had the vanishing point which is outside of time and so my question is is that building that they go into is that Some sort of like temporally dislocated area so that they can operate outside of time because it wouldn't make any sense at all To operate within a timeline when an acronym can go in and just screw up everything that you built Right, so you see sir could get the rule book and all of a sudden change history and now you're living in each and wrong And I'm sorry, but Nate is the biggest idiot in the world. Oh, yeah How do you hold up book? It's presumably at least two pounds and then let's undo steal it off of you without even noticing it Yeah, I was thinking that too.
Yeah. Yeah, Nate. Nate is dumb. He is dumb No, that's why I'm our Alexa So yeah, does she right so yeah, that's not the thing we figure out is that my has dumped Nate in her turn to a 1942 to fulfill as she was the only legend to actually have a destiny she goes to fulfill it and so we're left with you know Sad Nate and you know it being the second or third or fourth depending on how you it is hero in the central city and Yeah, so you know everybody's kind of like dealing with this thing But let's go back to the time bureau since we were talking about that a second ago Is this a temporally located or dislocated area or is this something that is not going to bother explaining with because they don't have to because it's legends And I got explained Okay, well, you know, it's like my last relationship Hey Yeah, so everybody's you know, they're left with their own devices they have you know crappy jobs or you know, not very famous superhero excursions except for for our boy Mick now Mick winds up in a ruba because he steals stuff and that's just what you do is you steal stuff and you want to be a ruba and it's Rubicon which is where I guess they're dressing up like, you know, Roman centurians and stuff because that's what you do and lo and behold The actual Julius guy is Caesar shows up in a ruba great Caesar's ghost.
I knew some I was gonna say absolutely Which is you know, of course a nod to the 66 Batman, right? Actually, that would be Perry White and technically Technically Hank McCoy does it a lot too, so yeah, okay, well But yeah, so Mick contacts Sarah who says hey, we got you know an acronym going on let's let's you know figure it out and your OShows up Bureau shows up gets the wrong guy because of course there's a toga party going on you have to fraternities like fighting each other Like you do yeah And we're left with the legends being disgraced because no one thought to look at the other guy and actual authentic, you know, Roman period armor That guy was the dude not the student speaking, you know, bro English, but you know that's neither here There anyway, let's just decide to go back to 49 BC by stealing I'm not gonna be see decide to take Caesar back to 49 DC DC. Yes, 49 DC comics, right? By stealing the wave writer which is now being used to some true simulations ship.
Yeah, no, so what did you guys think about that? Right? They're going back in the redoing all the old legends episodes I just like ripping on how they handled the situation. I thought that was really clever And I kind of like how they handled that because yeah, it's it's another throwback to how they realize how campy the show is and how ridiculous The show is and they use that to kind of you know fuel the story and to make it more fun I really appreciated that.
What did you guys think it kind of well? Here's the thing if they're doing those training missions, how were those training missions programmed basically by rip so Rip is also because rip was there for the Apollo 13 mission So he he a should have told Sarah about the torpedoes Which apparently they have torpedoes on the ship and no one knew about it in the first place sure could have saved them a lot of trouble Yeah, everything but uh Yeah, it's it was just weird because it's like it's also ripping on rip wait Rip was there for the rip was there for the Apollo 13 mission Okay, rip or was he still like weren't they trying to get his memory back? It was it was the episode after they got his memory back. Oh, well there you go.
He didn't get it because I'm ready to do Like my question I guess with that is maybe he just didn't have his full memory yet, you know I mean, you know, maybe a little time no, I think he I think he does I think it's just that I think it's more along the lines of okay He's lived it. What could I what could have been done? Certainly sort of thing, but it's still it's still like a kick in the nuts to the legends I mean if you ask me as long as I get the job done the job It's done right yeah sure they almost killed all the Apollo astronauts and like destroyed the wave writer and for some reason There's a meteorite storm in between the orbit of the earth and the moon which is you know not gonna have at all in the term Meteorite storm bothers me. I know I talked about this extensively when we talked about that episode, but whatever But yeah, I always find it.
It's you know fun to have that self-referential sort of humor in their those training simulations but yeah, so the legends decided to steal a wave writer and Turns out that it's in dire need of maintenance and who better to fix the ship than the Jax who is conveniently at the same location as dr. Stein when they show up at the house now I mean that's that's just pretty fortunate that both of them are there. They don't have to make two trips to two different locations for filming right? Yeah for once they're actually in the same place at the same time Don't get used to that.
Yeah, it's not going to happen Yeah, yeah, and we did have another moment where there was a no powers moment Which is of course a nod to our you know classic budget dig on legends of tomorrow Anytime you have an episode it's full of special effects. You gotta cut out somewhere. So of course they're gonna cut out Firestorm. I mean why not but uh, but yeah, so we find out that and this is interesting thing too.
Let's talk about this for a second Alright, we got a picture garver a.k.a. Dr. Stein and He is his daughter who is an an acronym who should even be there is there now. She's pregnant now This is something I was thinking about do we think that we're going to see any sort of repercussions from the time bureau in regards to Yeah, because we've gone in there and ripped her out ripped her out.
Oh Giant douche. Hey, oh, so do we think that's uh, so hold on so rip had memory as he's last season Right, this right rip does know about Stein's Stein's daughter, right? Actually, no Because he doesn't Okay, so are we going to have some issues here and that's what I'm wondering is like Is he aware at all of Stein's because I think the only people that know about it or everybody the legends and crimes, right? Okay, so this is interesting so we have a situation where There's an acronym here that's going to have a kid which could further disrupt the timeline But the only people that know about it a legends and ripsole thing is like we got to fix all the problems The legends made and this is clearly a problem that legends made is she an an acronym or she like what is it?
They use last year for changes. I started with a name as well. Yeah, uh, no Anomaly yeah, it was an omelet. No, okay, we'll go with an omelet So she might be something different like an anachronism happened because they broke time She was around before they broke time She was a result of like a timeline right fracture because they didn't do something they need to right?
No, they made a change in the timeline. He changed. He talked to his wife or something like he yeah Come on Kyle, you saw this no Yeah, I wanted to say a virgin. I think it's not a virgin You think it's centered around this That's totally that's not talking about right right?
But um, yeah, I definitely I don't think rip knows either and I mean it could be something that you know They use later for some dramatic effect. I don't think rip would at this one I mean he's more worried about the anachronisms that occurred from them going back and seeing themselves and interacting with their own timeline Yeah, yeah, like that's what as I understand it That's what they're saying this is now is like because of what they interact with their own timeline This is why this happened plus she's been around for a year and a half now So I think she cemented it seems like it like I don't think you could pull her out without breaking operation Yeah, time aberration. There we go. Aberration.
That's it. So we'll keep that in mind. We'll show this and now she'll have a time abortion Apple will use the soundboard let's continue on with the story So we pick up jacks we pick up dr. Stein and we fix the we fix the way brighter and we head back sporty I BC and we got a little flashy thing actually we go we go to aruba first.
Oh, that's right I have to go to aruba first and then they get Caesar Because he's trying to like rally frat boys because they're all ranked tokens and he's like there's nothing wrong with these So because they're totally authentic even though they're completely not and so it's it's Caesar trying to sit there and recruit these these frat boys to his cause to conquer the world and They show up and they end up there's this really cool fight scene between Between Sarah and Caesar and Sarah of course kicks his butt because she's trained assassin and he fights You know with legions and commands them and just no match no match for a for a train assassin there and we capture old Caesar and on the way to 49 BC now so it's Sarah and Sarah and Caesar had to talk on the way to 49 BC right before they decided to Go there correct correct. Yes. Yeah, so Sarah and Caesar have a talk about what to do because there's a division amongst the team They don't know whether or not since they have Caesar they can they could go back to the time You're gonna be like hey look we caught him no problems all of us were given here's you know Caesar back Let's just go with this it could also go and try to return Caesar to his timeline himself and take the glory from the cells And kind of like you know show the time bureau that they're that they're not to be not to be underestimated so Sarah talks to Caesar and Caesar gets their idea to go ahead and say you know screw the time bureau Let's do this ourselves even though we screwed up time royally last time we did stuff ourselves I don't care because I'm a legend and I don't want to go back to that bathroom beyond and actually end up killing my manager So so yeah, so we go back to 49 BC This is right before Caesar's about to cross the Rubicon go back into go back into Rome and try to submit his power and Of course shortly after that is when we have the eyes of March when when Brutus Cassius and several the senators but Tracy's are and kill him now Nate being the smartest character on the show Brings a history book. I mean it was smart to bring history books We can confirm the history has it hasn't even changed so he opens history book as soon as they flashy things He's there and yeah history has changed now in some the most bizarre slight of hand that I think I've ever seen in my entire life Caesar manages to steal the book after being flashy thing and takes it and now he knows how history falls out So he tells us legionnaires.
We're gonna go back to Rome. And here's my problem. Yeah. Yeah Lay it on us.
He doesn't know what the hell a book is He doesn't know what a book is he only knows scrolls. They've never bound a book to be fair to be fair I don't know what a book is so It was what they called a kid no version one. Okay. I mean seriously like at the end of the day.
How does he know and it's in English? Yeah, I mean it's like well so conveniently they explained away the English thing with oh wait I wish you could remember that the term is Stein used it was like linguistic Taperol linguistic feedback or something like that. Yeah, it's a Yeah, but it is aphasia linguistic phagia like it's like you know word salad to time But the point is it's like no he shouldn't have that in Italy though. They're back in Rome.
He's back in his own time Why can he read English? I'm guessing it's it's the linguistic thing. It's bad writing Sure, but it's also legends of tomorrow The whole time I'm sitting there thinking this is dumb, but you know what? You know make Rory kicks easers button aruba, so how is any of this not?
Thank you. Yeah, so I'll let that slide in yes, it's dumb and I acknowledge that but then again the whole you know The way they wrote that scene to be game of it's just dumb They shouldn't have had Nate lose the book like something could have happened to make it so that the book was taken or whatever Like maybe maybe season when he's walking out season on the desk This is a neat thing that has pages. It's kind of like a scroll but not I'm gonna take it because it looks neat I don't know whatever it's just I'm thinking at the writers room They had a lot of things going on in there kind of how are we gonna make it so the season takes up the world? Uh, he steals Nate's book that's dumb, but we don't have any more time.
Let's do it He steals the book that's dumb, but listen the hot dog trucks pull it outside that work for me. Let's go right it. Yeah Yeah, so you know we don't have to yeah That's that's a legend that's a legend right and that's the thing I like about legends It doesn't take itself seriously so it knows you can get away with bad writing in these kind of situations So I appreciate that and yes, it's dumb and yes, it's bad, but it's a legend. So what are you gonna do?
You cry so anyway, yeah, so so Caesar takes over the world and I do mean the world so he takes over the new world as well and sets up a colony in North America and They realized they just ruined all this stuff and lo and behold the time bureau shows up to try to correct the problem Here's another issue that I have and we mentioned this earlier was if there is no North America There is no United States How is the time bureau a thing because if history's changed the time bureau shouldn't exist unless they exist outside of time So then by that logic they do exist out of time. They have to they have to they have to right? They have to but it's it's a weird situation because Sarah slept with one of the guys who was in the time bureau So it's bad and then they go to a building and I'm assuming the building is just like a portal to a non It's hard to sell a winner. Sorry.
It's good. Yes Let's go with that. It's a target seller. Let's go with that.
I Yeah, the whole building's bigger than the inside actually they go back to Rome was he another centurion? Oh I like it. I like it if they could have gotten a centurion costume. I would have thought it was that yeah I'm guessing something was that a reference?
Yes. He was a centurion who waited when he was plastic. I Wasn't yours for for a more on wait from not from guardians of the galaxy It's also in it's also the time bureau the the what did you call it the best the best thing you've never heard of? Which is basically a rip-on booster gold the best superhero you've never heard of and I remember a long time a lot of people were speculating that rip was actually boost a gold No, rip is booster gold's father or son.
Oh, yeah, yeah in the comics anyway It turns out that rip rip hunter is actually the son of a little where I'm neat Might be the other way around but I don't think so I think he's a son because when he met him He was older and that's what was where they went for the whole cable thing either either way Yeah, well now I have to find out where's the Internet fully there was a way for us to be able to do that right? You know if only there was a way for us to be able to search things out on a documented site So yeah, so so so back back to the back the task at hand here the time masters come They take over and they try and go and restore the timeline get the book back and of course since there's no field agents present the situation goes Fubar we have What's your first agent sharp gets kidnapped by Caesar and so now they have to send the legends in to Fix the problem and of course the legends go in, you know full throttle We got Jack saying the wrong name of the god blowing up people killing stuff and they go in they spike We have Ray in the Adam suits deals The book now this is something we kind of missed talking about this earlier So earlier in the episode when Ray is working at his little app store He talks about a breakthrough these come through shrinking organic matter now This is something that was I don't know if this is a nod to you know his actual comic book origins And his actual like shrinking of matter where he won't need a suit anymore So this is this is interesting now. So what do we think is going to happen there? Is this is gonna be well?
I think you're calling for something though. I think then your question means it's time Okay, you know how about this? Yeah, yeah, let's let's go ahead the episode ends and we see my attack a bunch of predator or poachers You're gonna kill her village Yeah, not like those predators not like Arnold The legends the legends fix everything and You know they get kind of the nod from the bureau to continue and they're gonna let them continue to be the chainsaw when they need a chainsaw And it's revealed that there's this malice character who everyone is afraid of it's a direct result with the legends done But rip commences sharp to leave the legends be and let them do what it is They do best because that might be the best way to fight malice So so yeah, so so we have that mallet revelation we have a Maya attacking a bunch of British forces We're going to destroy this village and that's the episode and so I think now there's so much stuff to speculate I think it's time personal speculation. All right, and as mentioned earlier during race scene where where they kind of explore what he was doing during the six My period he was working for dating app.
It was terrible There is a bit where he mentions a breakthrough that he's had in shrinking organic matter now This is this is a really interesting tidbit now This could be just something like a nod to the comics or something of that nature But it could also indicate that perhaps we're gonna move away from the atom suit and more into the atom spandex where he can shrink And grow his body and doesn't need the iron atom suit to do so So what do you guys think about this is something that's going to actually happen this season or is it just a nod to the comics? Case Kyle, what do you think well? I would as much as I would love to see Ray in his atom costume. I think they're gonna They're gonna stick with the atom suit for now It's gonna be to them a lot cheaper to do that because they've already got the the CGI template But yeah, I it would I would be awesome to see the the the the atom costume coming to play But that it might be too soon for it plus I think raise a little bit too in layman's terms dumb Right he seems okay when he was talking with the um with the the tech people at Silicon Valley He felt like he was just like like he was kind of reading kind of reusing it up like oh, yeah Right for being a super genius.
He's kind of dumb. Yeah, it's bizarre weird. Yeah So so then you're the opinion that this is more of just a nod to the actual comic representation of Adam and not Something that they're going to go towards in the show exactly. Yeah, okay?
I don't know I think I think you're right as far as that the technical limitations where they have this atom suit CGI thing already Done and they're gonna have to invest more resources into making a new one But I think it would be cool to kind of see that sort of it's to see some new stuff on legends right pretty much legends Is leftovers of all the other show right? We have the firestorm we have Adam We have all these characters that are just left over and like we don't have anything to do with them And we put them on the show we write the new stories But there's nothing really new about the characters Not mentioning you know the development they have on the series themselves But but nothing like new as far as like, you know the costumes and things like that of course We have commander steel coming in but that's kind of a new character. It wasn't a leftover. That was new for legends I think it would be cool to kind of see Adam come in here and have a brand new costume that we only get on legends that we don't see on the other shows It'd be kind of like a unique aspect of legends in a unique way to sort of build the characters on the show But I kind of agree with you don't think it's something they're gonna do It's just seems it just seems like it's probably probably not the cards as far as the budget is concerned But I think it'd be cool.
I would like to see that exactly yeah And speaking of characters being different and different things happening to them There was a stark difference between the amaya that we saw at the end of last season and the amaya that we saw at the end of this episode One was a you know She's a determined woman and she's a strong woman and she wants to you know help people do this kind of stuff and You know help a legend and restore the timeline, but at the end of last night's episode or Tuesday night's episode It seemed like she was different was there something different about her to you Kyle? Yeah, she seemed she seemed like she was trying to Hold off her destiny. She was trying to Delay it but yeah, she seemed very seemed more angry. I guess for sure Yeah, she's doing she trying to do a better job at protecting her village than what the history books told her I guess Or what getting told her yeah, so she sees the destruction of her village and now she's determined to not let that happen Yeah, yeah, definitely seem like there's a change.
She's never manifested more than one representation of an animal before And so that was neat that was new and it's usually been she manifests the spirit of the animal into her body and not Out into the open just like a you know spirit creature something so that was a change there as well I can hear you sound kind of different Your back here, why don't we go over and we'll ask your opinion on raise transformation here Is this going to be something that they're going to explore him being able to shrink organic matter or is this just a nod to the origin? In the comics well he can't trigger That's how he's able to do it. I think we say it though is that he can do it without us we're talking about like it's It's gonna be the end of the iron atom era or are we going to see? Or is that just kind of like a nod to him not wearing the spandex in the comics.
I hope so I think it can be I think they're gonna find out that you know the iron armor. I mean it costs a lot for them to do There's always movement. There's always these things that shooting lasers and stuff. You know moving kid more towards Being the atom where you just shrink size and has a strength and like it's a cheaper effect You know so I could see them being like let's save a little money because you know not a thousand people watch this so that's true So then we're split it could be a nod it could be Something that actually go for I'm curious to go.
I'm sure if we don't hear anything about it next episode It might just be a one-off kind of thing, but who knows we could see something in the future and that could let us know What about explore it? But yeah, so then that takes us to a Maya. What about Maya's change? You think this is this is a new a Maya that we're seeing is this something that Is a change in your character or is this something that you know?
She's determined by what she saw from Gideon to not let this her destiny unfold. I don't know Off and I don't know what do you think Kyle? Yeah, yeah, I think she's she's wanting to Delay her destiny and try to live as live as much as she can So yeah, so she's not going to she's not gonna let this destiny happen where the life destroyed no Yeah, I actually also kind of wonder How they get around you know her going back and having a family like I guess rip had something to do with it and It would not surprise me in the least to have it be because she came to rip and said I'm pregnant And So now rip is like well now you have to go back and at least have the baby in the past Yeah, so maybe she's being so aggressive like this because she is pregnant Yeah, that's what I want maybe that's maybe that's why she was able to make more beasts is that maybe she's pregnant with twins or You know what I mean? It's like you manifest more more spirits because she's you know got another person inside her Yeah, I'm wondering I mean it's a thought process it's a dis-speculation So and that would kind of solve the problem of you know a Maya's parent You know and she supposedly died young in the battle for her village or something like that So this could be where she disappears and goes with the legends Let's have we ever after with Nate while the timeline still goes forward with with one of her children staying behind Yes, so then that's interesting too because this kind of brings the question if a Maya does change your destiny What will the time bureau do for that?
Well that calls an acronym? Are they going to show up? Is the time you're even going to be a thing for the rest of the season? What do you guys think about?
I don't think that the time bureau is gonna stick around for the season and I think they're gonna let Her let a Maya stick around so the time bureau won't intervene probably until the end of the season That's just my guess You think they'll be any time you cross over? No, no to the crossover, but I think they'll at the end that they'll for sure put a Maya back in a rightful time and Everything will go forward because I mean spoilers for later this this season. We are supposed to have Mario McCabe on legends Yep, it's supposed to really no No That's right Other people like my worth Miller and other people Very true very true So so yeah, I mean like I I don't know if the time bureau I think they're gonna have some kind of role I don't think they're gonna introduce this agent shark character And have there be sort of some kind of you know mutual chemistry between her and Sarah and not explore that I think that's it That wouldn't you know, I'd rather see them and kind of explore that situation there So so I don't know well, what do you think you think it's time you're gonna play any sort of role in the rest of season? Yeah, I think the time bureau is here to stay I don't know if it's gonna be as a as a foil or an assistant But you know, I think I think it'll be more of a foil because I think they need that you know That could be the way that they keep rip around without removing Sarah from leadership I see yeah, that makes sense rip Scott his own thing and so he's not gonna be a leader And they don't want to get rid of rip so they just introduce time bureau So he can charge you know keep charge of that sir keep charge the wave writer We have both characters and yeah, I can see them working as like pseudo antagonistic But you know team up in times of need kind of a kind of situation going on there exactly Yeah, yeah, all right, well cool Well, I think that does it for speculation this week now It's time to get to my favorite part of the show and that is a mixed quarter of a week So I want to start off by saying I think everything makes that this episode is worthy of the But we do have it narrowed down to two options and Kyle as always I would like to do the honors Oh, it's been a while Get into character.
Yeah, so it sucks He says to do it You broke my nose it's my best feature Which he says after you He kicked him in the NARS when he was on the ground and they're like So yes, I loved I love both of those quotes. I think they were great. I gotta give it to your salad sucks because I literally I laughed out loud at that but that's that's that's been it. That was mixed one of the week.
So one more time Kyle Why don't you give us a mix for a week your salad sucks? Alright, we got a little bit of news I want to cover here before we are in the episode because this is New yeah Because there's a couple things here that we want to talk about these are some some news articles that popped up in the last couple days Let's start off with Victor Garber is to exit the series to return a Broadway revival of Hello Dolly So this is something that I read the other day This is a Victor Garber who obviously plays dr. Stein is going to leave to go work on Broadway and because of Broadway scheduling It's very very difficult to do anything other than Broadway. You know you got you know six seven shows a week You know, so you're performing every day rehearsing all this time So there's not gonna be a time shoot legends now supposedly the legends team the writing team and the production team have known about this So there's going to be a graceful exit it seems and I think this is From what I understand from when I've read there's not a lot of information on it But he's going to be still a series regular in season three and he I guess will not be returning for season four So what do you guys think is it's gonna be something where they're going to give Jackson who partner to merge with or are they just going to remove Firestorm from the legend I don't see them removing firestorm.
I think they're gonna give him a new partner They may even bring in Jason and be the other half it'd be interesting to have Jason on there Yeah, I could be he has an interview he was He was on one episode of Flash But I think he died He was evil no another one Well, this is something that's developing so there's there's no way we even know if we're gonna see anything this season about it at all But apparently the production team was aware of it So this is something that they anticipated so there's not going to be like some oh all of a sudden oh Rox fell and Jackson dr. Stein died It should be a pretty graceful transition also John Constantine is going to guess the world episodes. I'm super excited about this. I love I don't like I know I know I know I know I know I get it I get it I get it Will that's all right Yeah No, I'm super excited about this because I love the Constantine show.
I was very upset that he didn't get a second season I like the fact that he showed up on arrow that one episode I'm super excited to see him on Um on legends. So that'll be great. Like I think it'd be awesome if they could replace like if we're gonna get rid of Firestorm Let's go with Constantine and let's have some like super natural stuff. That'd be cool time traveling supernatural Episode's nine and ten so he's gonna be on the episode right after the crossover and then on the um winter premiere episode Okay, interesting.
So do we know if those are two episodes that are It's gonna be a two-parter Okay, so we're gonna have to wait like four or five weeks before we see Constantine again Yeah, I know but hey interesting choice. All right. Well speaking of interesting choices season three has been increased from uh increased to 18 episodes from 17 Of last season this is something that we saw an increase from season one to season two and now there's an increase Of season two season three who knows maybe if they just you know keep the role going which they seem to be on a pretty successful run here We'll have a full 23 episodes in a legend which I think might be so much camp Yeah, let's just one of those, you know, it's it's good, but it's good in doses. So we'll see we'll see I think I think 18 episodes sounds about nice Um, we'll see where they go from there.
Will what do you think you think you think we should have full 23 episodes season or stick with 18? Don't be nice to have a full 23 episodes Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know if they keep it how they're going with the acknowledgement of the camp and uh just just writing for that and keeping that sort of mentality That idea I think it could work but it depends on if they go way too over the overboard or they go way too Underboard it could you know be like season one already and I'm going to choke myself while watching it Um, but yeah, so anyway, that's the news for legends And uh, it looks like we're at a time and if you want to keep in touch with this while we travel a time stream Here's how you can follow me on twitter at ring that bell Follow me at how across the 89 and you can also listen to me on the atomic geek dumb podcast and you can follow me on twitter at benson And feel free to email us at legends tv talk at gmail.com We also created a facebook page to be sure to like us there at facebook.com slash legends tv talk and twitter where you can follow us is at legends Talk tv and if you like this show check out some of the other tv talk shows that are now part of the dc tv talk network Supergirl tv talks starkel labs and flash tv talk with bellumbo Oh and i zombie tv talk and while you're at it check us out on iTunes and give us a review and we'll read them on the show Although if there is one up there now, we don't know about it So we'll do it next week and don't forget you can download all of the tv talk podcasts on the sachal podcast player And we are now on the google play in the google podcast section Special thanks to charlie bock for making the music for our bums and outro music You can check out his other awesome style that soundcloud.com slash charlie bock you stay classy with its