Hey guys, this is Will and I wanted to come in before we start this episode and let you guys know what happened We had some technical difficulties this week and unfortunately made the episode late But it's also the quality of the audio is gonna be a little less than we're normally used to so I want to apologize for that It's strictly just a technical gaff, but we didn't want to let a week go by without it So without further ado here's the Legends TV talk episode dealing with episode four of season three take care How will we be remembered as the podcast as a gauge listeners in new and exciting ways for the past year talking about our fourth favorite show Legends of tomorrow as the podcast has constantly been fun engaging and incredibly humble no We will be remembered as a team that can't pronounce the word catechism. I mean anti-disestablishment periodism. I mean an acronym I mean seriously. It's a word.
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It was super fun, but that's neither here nor there in fact It's nowhere. I don't know where you know I think I'm going for history Free episode four phone home is the most directed by Kevin mock and it was written by Matthew Mala will Bend this episode Ray suddenly disappears in the wave rider with Gideon revealing that he died around Halloween of 1988 much like my love life The legends travel to 1988 when Ray reappears and finds his younger self has adopted a baby dominator Again much like my love life eventually government agents take the baby dominator leading Ray young Ray and Zari to break in and rescue it While Sarah Nate and Amaya discovered that dominators mother has returned to achieve her child The baby uses my control to distract the agents and the legends put it back to its mother Let's try again the baby uses my control Get it back to its mother who leaves in peace when young ray gets picked on by bullies at Halloween Halloween Halloween Meanwhile Jack's Jack learn that Stein is and is this to be present for the birth of his grandchild and help him run Borrowing the wave rider later Jack's asks Ray to figure out a way to split firestorm so that Professor Stein may have a normal life I don't even know why there's one dramatic hamster much less too or dramatic over yes, I mean, that's like the lead ending Had but I guess I guess you know we'll go ahead and just talk about that right quick at the very ending there with Jack since nine You know Stein's gonna be a granddad. He wants to be homeless granddaughter. So And let's just let's just call it.
You see it who didn't see the whole Stein isn't a traitor But it's actually seeing his daughter think coming. I mean like that was totally Yeah, I mean of course not gonna betray them. I mean come on a little too dimension, but yeah, I mean, yeah, that's not at all he would do So yeah, that was that came as no surprise and I was like why are Jackson makes like really just questioning him on this is ridiculous But um yes, this news I think we talked about a couple episodes ago. Victor Garber is going to be leading legends of tomorrow And so I guess this is this is the way they're gonna do it.
They're gonna split firestorm Just gonna be interesting I mean is this is something that's ever happened in the comments that they've ever been split between The two of these firestorms and now there's just one firestorm person and they don't have to like merge in order to get flame powers Or is this like uncharted territory they were talking about didn't I thought they did that in the new 52 But I could be wrong Um, do you remember one comic book? Um cover was them having two firestorms? Um, yeah, well professor starts with his own. Yeah.
Oh and Jason rush was uh was one and ronnie was another Wait, so they were independent by response who didn't have kind of yeah opinion. Yeah, and they weren't very they weren't really active very well If I remember correctly, I only read a few issues in the new 52 before I was like, yeah, this is like Yeah, I hadn't really read a lot of it. Um, I don't know why not but I have no excuse Uh, okay, so then so this is something that it's it's happened in the comments before so it's not exactly uncharted territory So that'll be interesting. But uh, yeah, so so let's talk about this too last week We had flash as well and for some reason I don't know they decided not to do a Halloween episode Which was you know shame on them, but it was so fun.
We got a long-awaited man Uh, but that's the thing I love about legends is legends is always all about you know making it fun And they know how ridiculous their show is and so they do this great concept of having ray Dops a baby dominator ET style and then gets shot to death by the government in the first one Yeah Oh, that was insane with the trust ball bit going on at the beginning there like uh, yeah, yeah It was something was gonna happen with that. Yeah, right? I was like, okay. No, this something's gonna happen and uh, you know It is this trust ball thing's gonna fail, but first off.
Why don't we just get some impressions? What were you guys uh, you know, will what did you think about the episode? Just overall? Oh, I thought it was great.
I mean don't here's the thing. I'm from 88 like 1988. I was 14 years old I mean that was that was my day man. That was my time that was you know, that was stranger things for me I mean it was just nuts so all the little little nods to the 80s culture is it automatically like, huh?
And I mean I think legends knows that they know where the bread is buttered and they're like, okay, most of these guys were in our 40s or you know 80s children, so I mean they worked in things like the DeLorean, you know, I was like, right? Yes, it's a time machine So I mean it's things like that so I thought it was really well done I mean, yeah, there were holes. I mean, yeah, there's timeline holes and you know, raise mom and the whole nine yards Some of it was a little but I mean overall I think it was a really great episode I mean it didn't require a big bad B story. I mean, yeah, they had the Stein bit, but I mean that didn't even happen to halfway through Like it was just interteting it felt kind of just injected in there, right?
Right, it felt like the well eventually we're gonna have to explain why Victor Garber isn't over here, so Yeah, uh, yeah, I agree like so you would say that you're much like ad azalea bringing 88 back Exactly. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I was born at 84 so I was born at this point But you know I still identify more with the 80s than I do with other time periods because when I was growing up See all that stuff that you're talking about right now is indication. So that's why I was watching right?
Hey, is anybody looking at the chat room right now on Facebook? Um, I you know, it's a swirly thing. So let me see if I can go in here. Charlie Bach.
Just show you ready. Oh Charlie He said really about outro music Charlie Bach said so right around the time when the baby alien made the henchman sing and dance My wife said this is stupid. What are you watching? The only way I knew how to respond was you're right sweetheart I don't know.
Let's see if Martha Stewart bakes us on That's the point Unless it's done. It's supposed to be dumb. It's wonderful But uh, yeah, yeah, no, it's it's they embrace they embrace like that's the thing You gotta know it's gonna be cheesy and they're gonna embrace that cheese and it's gonna be wonderful But uh, but Kyle, what about you ma'am? How did you feel about this episode overall?
I enjoyed it. I mean, I'm not I'm not really kid of the 80s. I was born in 89 But I mean I understood it's 80s all the references that took place Um, I love all the et and uh, the back to the future references. Um, yeah, I mean, I I don't think I'd want to live in the 80s, but shut up Yeah, I don't I would I'm a 90s kid.
I'd rather live in the 90s Man, you know, that's the thing It's like I was when I was growing up I was way more into 80 stuff than I was in the 90s stuff Like I was the only kid in my school that didn't watch say by the bell, but it's all right I mean Um, but yeah, so you know, I I Technical millennial or not. I hope I'm not I think the cut off is 85 and I was born in 84. So you're a millennial I'm not a millennial. We'll shut up.
I'll fight you See, that's a millennial dude. Oh, yeah I'm not the millennial attitude. It's like just like oh, it's only be okay Well, so that's the thing is I did get participation shortly when I was growing up But that was when I was older than I was in the 90s and so, you know, yeah, they call me college Sorry, go ahead. They called that college Hey bell your millennia your millennial.
Hey, where did you get the data from? Wikipedia Oh, that's always true I can go and it went to be there right now and say like, you know, people born from 74 to like, you know, 2014 millennials Well, it's I trust Wikipedia more than I trust what is that? Generation y this is stupid. Oh, see I'm generation x and like, you know an 80s job.
It's all great Like every every and I had MTV when it was music I had good music on hold on Okay, so a minority of the graph is a researcher start the generation in the mid to late 1970s. What yes millennials starting as early as 1976 No, no, no, that is and I'm still safe that means I'm not a millennial. I will never be a millennial. I love my life So I'm saying 85 to This is a thing like my whole thing is this like did you grow up before the internet was a thing like were you a teenager when the internet happened?
I was 20. Yeah So so not a millennial right? I didn't have the internet at my fingertips like I didn't have a cell phone until 16 I use pay phones growing up. Hmm.
Uh, I mean here I I sound like an old man like I'm shaking my fist at these and walking around the street But you know, I just you know, I don't I don't identify as a millennial. I guess and it's all about identity these days and so I identify as an Apache attack out there and uh We're just gonna leave it back to legends TV talk everyone Thank you for listening to talk stick around after the show for rambling of an old man Anyway And it's and it's it's awesome and you can get it All right, so anyway, uh, we Nate, uh, no, not nate ray has adopted a baby dominator See that idea and the government silenced him by killing him because they wanted this baby dominator And so the team has to go back and find out a what killed him because they don't even really know they see the dominator They assume it's a dominator, but um, it seems that baby dominators have a much better temperament than adult dominators And they're also like cuter. What do you guys think? Or sure or was it ugly and gross?
I mean a little bit ugly and gross, but still a little cute ugly and gross in a cute way, right? Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that something I can get behind not wait ugly and gross in a cute way with like um like Courtney love Hey, there we go. Yeah, well like Cameron Diaz. What?
Well, oh you take that back. No, no, no, there's movies where you look at Cameron Diaz and you're like, okay, yeah And then there's movies where you look at Cameron Diaz and you're like wow Sam that's I agree with that Yeah, I think that's a pretty solid statement. I'm just gonna say But yeah, so we had this issue We have this baby dominator and let's talk for a second about little young ray here Because I think this is the crux of this episode is that a little ray has some deep-seeded and real bad emotional scarring And it's no wonder that he's so positive and you know upbeat about everything is because when he was a kid all he did was just like pretend that everything was good When it wasn't and so I think ray of all the legends Make included has the worst mental issues. Oh, you guys agree?
It's one of the problems I have with this version of ray though It's like I feel it's sometimes like I feel when I see ali on arrow Yet you want I like I want ali like I want the progressive uh social justice warrior gets mad at corporate fat cats ali queen And you don't have that and that's okay, and I do like the character But it's just sometimes you're like, you know, I don't want to see him doing a bad man impression unless he's doing it for laughs And he's holding up the cape like he did in the cabernet's mitts run It's just it's the same thing with ray. They're making ray kind of like a boob and ray was you know He's like the reed Richard to the DC universe. He was like you need something bill. You need something to work you called ray You know, and it's just like Fantastic.
No, yeah, no, mr. Yeah, well now. Yeah, mr. Trifik does that but I mean before mr.
Trifik, you know, the current incarnation came on Which he only came out of the mid 90s. I mean ray pomber was that he was a guy you call he fixed everything You know, it's it's sad in some ways. I kind of want ray to be ray So this is definitely departure from the comic book. Oh, huge departure read identity crisis right there like that whole that whole I mean ray is heavily involved in it.
I won't say why if you haven't read it, but because it's a great book It's funny you mention that because this is the second podcast in a week that I've recorded where identity crisis was brought up And we were talking about Ralph Dibbing on flash TV talk last week. Exactly. Uh, yeah, you know, Frank was talking about identity crisis We're talking about like detectives in the DC universe and like I was asking whether or not Batman Or whether or not Ralph was like a Batman level investigator or like a you know flash a little like how good was he and he mentioned? You know, I didn't even Christ.
He's over when they when he is supposed to be but he's respected by Batman for that in that alone You know, okay. Well, there you go. And that's the thing about that is like I'm glad Ralph sticking around flash I don't know if you guys talked about it. I want to see sue I think I said you guys email on it like I want to see some Dibbing So, you know, and I yeah, she grounds him like but going back to ray ray is supposed to be this Professor this genius, you know, and well, he did build a tech company.
So I would call him a genius Yeah, but when he started Yeah, when he started like go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, you first I insist. Okay.
Well, no I mean he started that way the arrow character of ray started that way he was much closer to ray And then it was like the minute he got the minute he started hooking up with hawker. It was like that was it He's like bro way off the ball. I see you blame the women Welcome to the sages of TV talk But yeah, so so yeah Hardy Weinstein aside will not will not go there But yeah, it's interesting to me because yeah ray is clearly a genius right? He's got all this information.
Oh, shh There we go. Uh, you know, he's a very smart guy. It seems like I'm also that but you're absolutely right He's complete and total boot. Yeah And it's it's sort of weird to me to see them do that with his character because he's you would think a guy with that sort of intelligence Even if he is a nice guy would still be more assertive, right?
Because like, you know, especially with the uh, I mean just look at the guy Up swipe who you know Ray's like dude, I can shrink matter and he's like, um, that's not social and I would be like well, you know what? I'm gonna go shrink matter and I don't need this but uh, it's it's it's odd It's odd and like to see ray as a kid, you know getting picked up by bullies and pretending they're his friends and stuff like that It's it's I don't know. I'm wondering if this is the start of a character art for ray It's kind of like deal with a bunch of this emotional trauma stuff so that becomes more like a realist or something I don't know because it's it's uh, sorry was talking about it on the ship It's like how are you so I'll be able to talk it's like oh, it's positive thinking and it's I don't know It's it's just I can see all positive thinking is definitely a good thing in a lot of situations Especially if you're in a bad situation, you know, it's it's something that can help you get through those kind of things But like ray all the time has always done this and I feel like there's going to be a point at which he just psychologically just just Dismanthals himself, you know, right? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, so uh, yeah, it's it's it's really weird It's also fun seeing them go back and ray like you know They're looking for anything suspicious and so ray looks a little ray a little ray stealing candy bars And so this is this is one of the greatest moments from the thing where like, you know makes like oh, yeah, you know, I respect Because he's a beat. Uh, so that was that was fun a fun little bit but uh, it uh, there's a lot of different things that were neat in this episode or not neat but like fun Uh, you had Nate's whole hitting on ray's mom thing She was hot she was totally hot like I did me, uh, and I was even if ray was my friend. I'd be like, you're sorry your mom's like Is there a cougar on the premise?
Right and and you gotta assume like I don't know what uh the story is with ray's father But uh, I would assume that that she's mother and she's working hard for her money, uh, so hard But yeah, that's a very interesting side point here with uh with Nate and my I like I don't know what Nate's deal is But he keeps pushing the sexual tension thing so far where he's you know actively flirting with other women in front of her uh, did they have a relationship? uh, uh Conversation I suppose is where they are. I'm trying to figure out where they are. Do they they're not back together, but they're not totally separate She's helping them because of zari.
What's the deal going on with that? Like, you know relationships is it's not In tv shows, especially like it's not my favorite part about the flash or about legends or any that kind of stuff So I usually just kind of like in one of your other what's the deal with them right now? I don't know what's going on I can somebody like me here Kyle will you know what's the deal? I think that they're friends but trying to be Um, excuse me be professional about it and nate is definitely not being professional about it whatsoever.
He is not That's okay. Well, it's like when you work with your ex, you know, I mean if you if you you know, I You know if you have like a relationship that you have to have with your ex That that's what it's like. It's like, you know, and then you find new and neat little ways to needle him a little bit And you know like he said in his first thing was why are you jealous? You know, it's like He's you know, he's kind of nate's creepy.
Let's just lay this out there. Nate's creepy. Nate is a creepy creepy character He's become more creepy since the season started. I just like a rap row kind of creepy was like a desperate weirdo kind of creepy There's a difference Well, you know, there's there's like, you know internet net me or creepy and then there's like, you know, rapey kind of like douche boy frat guy sort of creepy Yeah, I think he's just more of the insecure.
Yeah, he's like you're creepy Okay, okay. So because one of those one of those is kind of harmless like the internet neck your creepy is yeah, it's creepy But it's pretty harmless right. I mean, let's be honest here And then you have like see we have to be careful on that though bell because I mean the climate in this in america's changing special comes to media I don't know that we can say that anymore. Like who's to define harmless, you know, well, okay.
I'm talking about uh, uh, yes Let me let me let me yes, you know, there uh Words are are important and like things that you say can make people feel uncomfortable things like that And so like you know, you the internet creepy person. I don't think they would progress passwords, uh, and so that's a good thing That they're not going to physically assault someone right if your mom's listening tonight. I've got words for you know, send them my way Yeah, but I mean I'm trying to figure out about nade is make one of those creepy dudes who's gonna like you know turn into a really stalky creepy like Kind of guy or is he gonna like just hang on that precipice of like Sex offender that sex offender line, you know, which side of that line is he gonna be on? I think he's just gonna be you know awkward and weird until you know Something happens and they're in danger and all of a sudden it's like they can't keep your hands off each other and here we are you know So they might feel like it.
Oh god. Yes Someone's gonna go into a river again and get wet. Someone's gotta take off the clothes to keep warm for gum I mean, you know that works every time I get every time I go hiking with chicks. I'm like, hey, look at this river.
It's December. It's like, yeah, but It's a real hypothermia. Let's get you know in the tent naked No, it's not happened It's coming. Oh Yeah, yeah And so of course we have nade kind of like his weird creepy side by hitting on raise mom, uh and uh later hitting on the alien version of raise mom Um, which I called that was a six seconds after it happened Do what when she started come playing up to him.
I'm like, oh, that's a down air. Yeah. Yeah, yeah That's not the dominator than uh raise mom is a freak and that's that's pretty that's pretty hot I would also explain raise psychological issues. Yeah, I know what when your mom's like that.
I mean, come on I'm familiar with a mother like that actually and that's all I'm gonna say on that topic because we're recording right? Yeah, yeah Can't have that with her. We know that. Oh, yeah, no, absolutely not.
I mean, I'll tell you guys off the area everyone's a story But you know my girlfriend listens occasionally, so yeah Oh Like a superman situation where it's uh, you know, uh, I think more american pie I didn't say anything we should get off this whole line of uh Right now. Oh my god. Luckily. I'm editing this week.
Yeah, all right. So, so yeah, uh, we have we have the speaking of the mother dominator Uh, and nades really I told you we had to change the topic. Oh, oh, sorry Yeah So yeah, speaking of mates, you know weird relationship with this uh with this dominator, uh, we have a fight scene between Sarah and the dominator and they're trying to you know I guess Figure out the mom wants to know where the kid is and so the kid or the mom uses the mic control on uh on sarah After cooting her which was a very big no-no note to self If I ever meet katilots, uh, don't cocoon her because she will then proceed to kick my ass Yeah, so they find out, you know, where the denominator is they're going to this research place to try to find it We have zari he's been chasing after uh, uh, little ray, uh trying to like, you know Earn his confidence and so she pretend she plays this like, you know games and whatnot and uh, did anybody else find it interesting how Apparently baby dominators have no mass My reason why I say that is like every time the baby dominator was in that bag. It looked like the bag was empty They didn't put like a watermelon in the bag.
So they would sag at least a little bit. I mean, come on Uh, really weird down there think about it. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was you know again, you know You got budgets and stuff so of course they can keep the baby dominator in the bag as long as possible But uh, so they go and they they make it over to the uh to the research facility and we have the baby dominators getting tortured for the thing and everyone's scared of the dominator and this is this is what's this is what's really kind of bizarre to me about this whole thing is uh, The the way they portray leaders in the show in the crossover and all this kind of stuff like they're these fucking, you know, sorry I may have checked two meters in about 10 minutes Keep this keep this Gold welcome to flash Yeah So you know that betraying is these horrible monsters and stuff but this little better just seems like any other kind of like baby It's it's it's like a baby with special powers, right?
Like you don't want to make it angry because it doesn't really know or fully comprehend or understand the limits of its powers And so it might inadvertently kill something or hurt something and not really know what it's doing So I get that vibe a lot, but you know, it seemed like we're able to uh, uh, young ray Was able to kind of like see that and you know, it has been evidence the the baby kind of fed off that and so it was it was You know a good sort of scenario there, but um, I don't know Ever had any sort of baby dominator contact in the comics are the dominators this evil presence that kind of portray in the crossover in with with the Dominators mom Will I mean like is this is this a precedent that they have changed in the show or is this something that maybe there's some comic background on that? I don't know I've only seen the adult dominators like the invasion storyline and you know various other times They've never really gone through the baby thing. I mean they've done it in other media with other things like we'll talk about this in speculation You know what I think of that, but I this may not be the last time I think we're gonna see the dominator So, okay, but I mean, yeah, there's no one this is obviously made up and it was overall decent I mean it had you know, it had me hooked Yeah, you know, I I agree I thought it was an interesting kind of change to it where it's one of those you know, you have this like oh this ferocious enemy And all of a sudden that the infant ferocious in the enemy is like not nearly as ferocious it seems so kind of question You start to question about what the dominance as a whole and what it is about him and whether or not some sort of like giant Is standing as to why we're the world is fighting with him and what not so but but speaking of fighting we get to this point where We're in the we're in the facility. We find the baby dominator Old ray and this was interesting too because we had a situation where old ray sees young ray reacting The way he does to all these different things all these stimuli where he's always doing the positive stuff and Doing the positive thinking and he kind of has a change of heart, right?
He tells little ray. Hey look the world sucks everything's terrible You need to like, you know get real with it But Zari's the one who steps in it's like no no no no no like you know, you do your whole thing and you know keep that positive mindset and eventually That's you know, that's what really helps him get out of there because little ray is able to let the dominator out without Hammering its abilities which allows it to take control of these characters and make them sing Singing the rain singing the rain singing the rain which by the way, I'm gonna check and make sure that we have this in here Yes, okay good Which yeah, that was that was interesting thing because you know All Ray wanted to do was watch a movie with an alien and he wasn't able to do that the entire time which kind of sucked But we did get to see a baby dominator make people sing singing in the range pretty Didn't see that one kind of coming maybe I thought oh that was absolutely interesting to see and to watch Yeah, right It's great because I love watching people's faces as they're doing the dance numbers and looking around each other like What's going on I was very much reminded of Beal Joo's and the Banana Man song The banana boat song Oh, yeah, yeah Banana boat Tonos called a banana boat song and in parentheses it says dayo Come mr. Tally man No, I wonder which actually they've done that before holy crap. I forgot During the Apollo 13 mission they actually reference the beach use as well as they sort of play off of that in this episode while We're in c at the same time, so that's that's that's pretty interesting So let's see here So you know eventually we bust out of the place and let's talk about the B plot here for a second Because this is really the only part where it comes in they're trying to go in and pull everybody out You know back with the team and everything but the wave rider has been stolen by make Jacks and Dr.
Stein to go see Dr. Stein's a daughter have a kid, so he's gonna be a granddad. And the whole subplot that they had where it's like, oh, what is this mysterious thing that Dr. Stein's doing?
So everybody knows he's gonna be his daughter. There's no question about that whatsoever. I'm kind of surprised that even like, we still did the drama on that. I mean, what did you guys think?
Were you convinced that Stein was gonna sell him out? No, there was no convincing whatsoever. Yeah, it was doesn't make any sense as to why Stein would want to run him out. He just wants to see his grandson, granddaughter, whatever.
Yeah, right. When I was live tweeting, I even brought that out. Oh, yeah, yeah. So that, you know.
Go ahead. No, there's that, you know, I brought that out. It didn't, I don't think it fooled anybody. Yeah, yeah.
And so I mean, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, why even go there if that's, if it's not gonna fool anybody, but you know, whatever. It was a storyline that worked. And it's bringing about this whole conclusion that we have that there's gonna be a split version of, of Jack's, Dr. Stein, so that's Dr.
Stein can live his life normally and we can get a full-fledged virus storm without having to have a Dr. Stein. So that'll be interesting to see there. But one thing though, one question that I have before we start getting into some speculation and whatnot was, well, first off, let's include the episode, right?
They give the alien back, the dominator back, the dominator's all like, yay, I'm not gonna kill you guys because I got a kid back and then they can teleport it back up in the air. And everything's hunky-dory, Dr. Stein's daughter has the baby and everything's greedy there. But here's my question.
Did they flashy thing? Little Ray? They did not do it on the screen at least. Okay, so what?
I don't know if that's why Kevin Spacey was in trouble. Got it. Oh, just the way you said flashy thing. I'm like, oh boy, I can't let this.
Every time you said Little Ray my brain went there and it's just the way you put it, I'm just like. Was the guy that accused him of assaulting Ray? No, but it's- No, close enough. Close enough, close enough.
Yeah. No, that's, yeah. So this is another thing altogether, but they didn't flashy thing, Little Ray. Of course he's on Ray.
He's on Ray. What does this mean for adult Ray? Is adult Ray gonna like all of a sudden- Remember? Yeah, like really, yeah.
I mean, technically he has lived it because he was there. Adult Ray. So he's gonna have the memories no matter what. Right.
So- But as adult Ray, that's different than as child Ray because child Ray has his memories. And for the next 20-some odd years, those memories can impact who he is and the choices that he makes, right? Right, but I don't think they're gonna go, I don't think they're gonna go that deep. Okay.
I don't think the writers are gonna go that deep. But that- Okay, well, you know, I think that's a good point. We'll probably see what happens. Probably, you're probably right, it will be nothing.
But I think though that we have some stuff that we can kind of dig deeper into. And so maybe it's time for Little Speculation. It's time. All right, so we got a couple things we can talk about here.
First one is going to be the baby dominator. In fact, both points are done to me about the baby dominator because he's thinking something I'm curious about. And things that I wanna know. So we have this baby dominator that's saved.
We also know that this baby dominator was saved before the dominator crossover that happened last year. So here's the question. Is that baby dominator gonna have any sort of future impact with the legends? Specifically, will that baby dominator come back and save Ray in some sort of situation or broker a piece between the dominators and other planets?
Like what do you guys think? Will, is the baby dominator gonna come back and have some sort of interaction with Ray in the future? Absolutely. I think that there's no way they don't do that.
They'd be stupid not to. Have the dominator come back? I think Ray gets captured at some point somehow and the dominator recognizes Ray for who he is when he goes in his brain and he's like, oh my God. It's way too easy of a get out of jail free card for the writers.
So here's my question. During the call to the last year, was Ray ever captured by the dominators at any point? Yes he was. Was he ever an episode?
Okay, was he released by a dominator? No. Okay, okay, cause I was at least they released themselves because it was all part of a dream sequence where we never got on the boat sort of thing. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, and it was basically Marvel's what if DC? Yeah. Okay, so Will then where do you think this, since it didn't happen already, cause I was thinking that'd be kind of neat way to sort of tie everything together. We're like a dominator just releases Ray for some reason and no one knows why until we had this episode of Legends.
I thought that might have been kind of an interesting way to sort of tie a loose end in the crossover. But where do you think this is gonna happen though? Like are we gonna see the dominators again on Legends? I think you're gonna see them again at some point.
There's almost no way they can't. Plus they already have the effect rendered. They already have the movement done. I mean, it's easy.
They're a cheap effect really in essence. I think we'll see them again. I mean, we've seen them twice since they left. Yeah, that's true.
And we haven't seen them on Supergirl, which is really where they belong. We did see them on Supergirl. Okay, we okay. We saw them, it was on Hunter's moon.
Okay, that's right. You're right. So I do, I think you'll see them again. I think they're gonna be, you know, and it'll be an episode where, you know, everything looks dire and awful and all of a sudden here comes this baby, this dominator that's all grown up and, you know, rescues Ray and lets him know that, you know, it's Hugh, it's Hugh from Star Trek.
You know, it's the same idea. So I think anyway. Yeah. Well, so what do you think, Calla?
Do you think this is gonna be the same kind of thing where we're gonna see this baby dominator come back and do some sort of Deus Ex dominator? No, I don't think so. I think they're gonna be done with the dominators at least for this year. I think they're trying to get, they just had this story that they had in mind and they just wanted to use the dominators one last time.
Yeah, I don't see them coming back anytime soon. Okay. Plus they need to kind of move the story forward. Right.
I always go back to the dominators. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, see, I don't know.
I don't see them. I agree with Will and they have all this stuff done with it. They have the animations, they have the graphics and all that kind of stuff. And I can see them using it again in the future, but I kind of agree with Kyle too.
I mean, like it's, it's, dominators are in the past. We have a new crossover coming soon. So I mean, there's more opportunities for everything. But maybe this will be a season four thing.
Who knows? Really fancy fencer tin. So let me get this straight. You, you agree with me and Kyle.
And we were actually pretty much, he's like, I'll see him again. He's like, no, but you agree with us both. Well, because the thing is like from a political standpoint, they have the animations, like I said, right? I just beat a jerk.
I know. He has a lot of opinions, man. And they happen to be the amalgamation of yours and my opinion. Well, that's because if one of you is wrong, one of you is right, then I am partially right.
And I'm not wrong. And so I would rather be, you know, right than wrong. And so I just left. Right.
I could be left. I could be left. I love life. But yeah, so I mean, I don't know.
It's one of those things where like I, I don't know. We'll probably see dominators again just because they have the assets there. Right. I mean, but I don't know.
I don't know if we'll see it again this season. I mean, that's one of those things. But the other question though that I have is this could, because this happens before the dominators invade, right? This happens before they invade.
And so we have this invasion and Ray has a history with these dominators. Like why didn't we see any sort of any, any indication of that when we have a dominator crossover? I mean, obviously the answer is because the writers have thought about it yet. That's because it's an an anachronism that hasn't happened yet.
Right. So remember he was there as an anachronism. He wasn't supposed to be an 88. That's true.
That's true. So it isn't an anachronism. So that's why there's not going to be any sort of, and that's, you know, that's an easy cop-out method to like this. Be like, oh yeah, this is why there's no problems because it's an anachronism.
So yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's just like going back to 2017 Los Angeles, why are there dinosaurs there when there wasn't any of there before?
It's because we screwed up. I can see that. Yeah. It's just an anachronism.
So, but even still though, so if this is an anachronism, then how would the dominators be able to come back and have any sort of impact on this in the future? I think it would just be the same. I think it would just play out the same way. Yeah.
Okay. Because then you also have Cisco going back to 1954 and rescuing the dominator too. Okay. Okay.
Interesting. So yeah, you know, the whole anachronism thing sort of allows them to write all things in certain ways and then do different things and make it so that's like, oh yeah, that's the reason why this is, you know, there's no repercussions for this in the future or in the past is because it was an anachronism. So we don't have to worry about it. Right.
Which, you know, it works and it doesn't, but what are you going to do? I mean, I don't know. All right. So, I think there's speculation that you guys have for this episode.
I mean, I'm just saying. No, I think that's good. I mean, Zari in her costume, I think that's not the last time we're going to see that. No, I know.
Yeah. Where did she get the costume from? That's my question. Is it ready?
He's made or something? Yeah. And I'm trying to look it up right quick. I wonder if like her amulet has some like Egyptian writing on it?
Oh, you know, she's Muslim, but I don't know. Is she Iranian? Is she Egyptian? She's a Russian nationality.
She is. That is from New 52. But because it looks Egyptian, the costume looks Egyptian. I mean, her in the comics, she is Egyptian.
Egyptian. Okay. Because it's had that and all of them were in Egypt. That's true.
Yeah. But all it says is that Zari grew up Muslim. And are they, wasn't her name in the comics Isis? Yes, it was.
Her, her like actual name is Ardenia, which is Zari's first name is of course, Zari then her middle name and last name, Adrina Thomas is the right Isis name. Okay. So I guess here's something we can speculate on it. Will they call her Isis in?
Absolutely not. No, they would have done it. I had to agree with you on that one. No, because of the paradise.
Yeah. And the fact that she's Muslim, they will definitely not get there. I can agree with that. Oh, they have Isis on small bill.
Did they? Small bill season 10 episode Isis. Yeah. So Erica doesn't let his lowest lane turn into something something something.
Oh, maybe. I just was trying to see what the, what Zari's costume looked like when they did it. Oh, I mean, the actress who plays her is, is Iranian. So I mean, right?
Yeah. Well, anywho, so that makes sense though. So yeah, I guess we will most certainly see that costume again. And hopefully we'll see more of that power set.
That's kind of interesting power set. I'm curious as to how these, you know, all of these amulets and whatnot fit together. Because it seems to be the hydrophobic, not hydrophobic, but the hydro assassin person. And obviously, Maya's amulet and Zari's amulet have some sort of connection.
And so we'll have to see here. I put her costume in the, in the chat window. How nice. And cool.
Along with Erica Dern, Dern says. Okay. Yeah. So like her, like Zari's belt buckle has the same amulet from Lois's, which is also looks like the same belt buckle on the original Isis character.
Yeah. Nice throwback there. That's pretty cool. We'll post these links in the descriptions and whatnot.
When we put up the episode. You guys can see what we're talking about here. Well, yeah. Okay.
Well, there we go. It looks like we got a little bit, not too much to speculate about this week, but we'll see what happens next week. And it's now time for the greatest portion of the show. And that is mix quarter of the week.
All right. So mix quarter of the week. We got a couple here. We're going to go by and as always, I'm going to let our residents make impersonator Kyle go ahead and read us our options and then we'll all vote and choose the quarter of the week.
So Kyle, if you will. And over the candy and your allowance. That was good. That was real good.
Not as good as fiddler on the roof. And then once the geek always a geek, I can knock this place off with a water pistol. I will say, I think my vote is for not as good as fiddler on the roof this week because that just added so many dimensions to mix character. In one line, it's like, whoa, hold on.
What is going on? Sarah gave him a look like really? Okay. Yeah.
So Kyle, what do you think? What's your pick this week? I like it. I like it.
I like it on the roof. I will. I actually, I really thought hand over the candy and you're just because of where it was at the time, you know, because they were just who roe stands and he's like hand over the candy and your allowance. I was like, like, what's this kid?
Yeah. But yes, I mean, all of it was good. I mean, that's just it. I mean, and maybe I should talk about that that.
That we are trying to live tweet the show every week. So I was live tweeting this week and I mean, I hashtag McQuad of the week. So and I mean, I was like, oh my God, there's like five of them. So yeah, it was, it was good week.
So I liked that, but not as good as Fiddler also made me laugh out loud. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess we're going to give it to not as good as Fiddler on the roof.
So Kyle, if you'll do us a pleasure and read us mixed court of the week for this week. Not as good as Fiddler on the roof. And I thought he said something like, it's my favorite. I thought he said so too, but I couldn't.
Well, somebody said something to him. They were like, it's like, it's my favorite. It was my favorite. Well, there you go.
Everybody that's mixed court of the week for this week. And actually, you know what, we also have some news and feedback for this week. Coming up on the wire right now, it's news. It can't be bad.
It can't be bad. All right. So we got feedback from Ross on the Facebook pages week. And so I'm going to give that the Will and Will.
First of all, I apologize. I do. I have to apologize for Ross. Ross, I'm very sorry.
I did not know you were Scottish. So when I read it in a very refined British accent, they probably made you sound much more intelligent than you probably are. Oh, okay. He tried to do my job.
He's like, that crackle Air pop. He said, and I quote, if you ever want to switch Will out for a co-host who likes Constantine, is good at it and has an absolutely charming Scottish accent, call me. So I feel okay. Throwing a little shade his way.
But anyway, so, but you know what, I don't want to be offensive. So I'm going to read his post and I'll read it with a nice refined Scottish accent. All right. Hold on here.
Let me try to get into character Scottish. Okay. We're underwear. I'm going to dress public.
I give Mel Gibson is my hero. Okay. All right. All right.
All right. The one thing I wanted to see in the episode is a flash forward to the first big crossover in the scene on the rooftop when the legends were fighting the dominators and had to have the one dominator just look up at Ray flying past. Also, how the hell are they going to split up Firestorm and have the lucky charms? I'm sorry.
Will. Yes. Sorry. Ross.
My most deepest and sincere apology. Yes. You are one of my favorite fans. You definitely have a sense of humor, which is good because I thought that was a really great Irish accent.
No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
One's just angry. Yeah. That's a really good question. It's one of those things where it's like they always emphasize how Firestorm they have to, you know, join up every now and again.
Otherwise they'll die. So, you know, it will be interesting to see how they figure out that to split that up. And, you know, I'm wondering if we're going to see any sort of cameos from other characters that are super smart in the Arrowverse. Could be a possibility.
Maybe we'll see some some, maybe we'll see some, uh, Mr. Terrific or, you know, anybody else. But, um, yeah, I'm really looking forward to see how they plan on doing that and whether or not this means that we'll see more Firestorm in the show or if they're going to continue to come up with reasons as to why not to show him because they have budget spent elsewhere. Right.
We just need. And I do too. It's an interesting idea that they'll probably try to find some way to split up Firestorm or, you know, give him other Fire Powers and Column Fire brand or, you know what I mean? They may try to find, I wonder if they're not going to try to find some way to do it, you know, so, yeah, I can see that.
But I mean, yeah, I mean, with losing Victor Garber, it's, you know, something's going to happen. I don't think they're going to bring another character in. In fact, I think they'll use this to be able to maybe bring in, um, cause I'm, I look at this and I see how they kind of trimmed the cast down like they did it from Season 1 to Season 2 by getting rid of the Hawks and only bringing in, you know, they brought in a Marien Nate. But, and, you know, but they kept a Rory, dang it, that's, that's not true.
They kept a rip, you know, rip was only in half the time. And, you know, it's supposedly due to a scheduling conflict, but here we are again, you know, it's Season 3 and he's only here half the time. So, I got to kind of wonder if they're, you know, if they'll use this to kind of shave some money off the budget and be able to bring in maybe rip and, you know, somebody else is true. Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
I can see that. Well, again, Ross, thank you for the feedback. We always appreciate it. And if you guys want to write us some more feedback, you can hit us up on our Facebook page.
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