Click when this show started it was about uniting all the legends of podcasting together to talk about a show that most Bell wasn't going to have its own voice DC's like it's tomorrow Everyone said it was last one season. They were on and now as we gear season three down prepare for season four We're just getting started Bell Kyle Straight out of the timeline right into your ears. I'm Bell. I'm Kyle I This is legends TV talk gentlemen.
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We'll see how things go, but uh, what happens And we're see you this is going to be our first episode where we have, you know a professional Hashtag professional right. Yeah, they're gonna edit our our show for us and it should it should sound good So that way, you know, we'll can stop ruining our listenership Anyway, how are you doing this evening doing great? It's nice here. It's low.
It's actually let me take a look It's 41 degrees. It's good here. It's awesome. You're watching.
Oh, yeah, it's right. Yeah, yeah, we all watch it except you See, I this is how I tell the temperature. I'm like, okay, yeah, it's yeah That's the whole point this is this is for our Facebook feed. This is this is for you know, the true.
Okay, this is for them. Oh gee Hello, we do have a guy in the chair remarks in the chair for the guy who originally told us already Sucked so hopefully this time, you know, it's gonna be a little better Well, cool. Well, you know, that's enough rambling here in there about the weather You know, wait, you know, first of all, I'm glad you're okay, by the way, I mean, you've all you know Not to rail the show, but you know, you live in Austin. So you know our thoughts and oh god I was just about to say thoughts and proceed you don't In prayers now.
I can't say them anymore without sounding like a Republican jerk I think thoughts and prayers and thoughts and prayers So I'm just glad you're okay, but if you get a package from FedEx, I didn't send it to you so You know, yeah, it's it's I tell you what it's been kind of surreal because you know Every time I open my front door. I look at the door step and see if there's a package there Which is kind of weird how that sort of you know thing kind of creeps into your psyche and even still I'm doing it because they don't know how Many extra packages were out there. So yeah, it's been a crazy situation in fact my girlfriend She does a dispatch for the Texas oil gas company and she had a tech who yeah Yeah, she had a tech who was out at the Goodwill or near that Goodwill where the last one off and he was so close to get here It so yeah, it's you know, it's it's not the biggest city in the world And like you know, the way, you know, I live a little bit further north than the first couple bombings and they're kind of progressing north So yeah, it's been it's been crazy But you know, hopefully it's it's over now and there were no accomplices or anything else like that and everything can go back to you know, the new normal I appreciate the concern, but hopefully it's gonna be back to normal here and it should be should be interesting We'll see what happens for the next couple days, but yeah, yeah, that was historical it was it was it was I'm sure we're gonna be reading about this in the future in you know history books and speaking of which I think it's time for history lesson All right, we got season three episode 15 Necromancing the Stone this was directed by April Mullen and the story was by Green Godfrey and Morgan Faust and before we go to the Summary Kyle, I just want to say is anybody else when they see Grand Godfrey's name think of granny goodness me no, no, it's It's great goodness or or or yeah, yeah Gloria Scott free he was he's another one of the new gods he came down during the legends crossover in the just after crisis on Infinitors he was like the bad guy so it was glorious Godfrey, but he was called G Gordon Godfrey Which by the way, I'm Tim Curry voiced him on justice. Yes, that's how I was gonna go there So like that's a little Easter egg I thought they were using him for that bit and then okay interesting And then doctor and then Morgan Faust I keep on thinking of Felix Faust who Constantine has dealt with on his own show Huh, that's true.
That's true. Yeah, so I'm gonna throw in one more because Romancing the stones one of my favorite Michael Douglas In the 80s It was romantic the stone jeweled an aisle and then the war the roses that's right What's that? You haven't seen romancing stone. No, really?
No It was a movie romance movie It's adventure it was it was posted in a Jones it was a post-in-a-jones adventure black Imagine Indiana Jones, but like also romantic comedy, right? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, table of doom imagine temple doom, but without here instance for you Yeah, anyway Sarah isn't ice to open the box and wear the death totem her body once again falling under the control of Malice while her mind is trapped in his realm With a vision of Nora gosh, these are terrible the team tries to fight her off But her new medical abilities prove difficult to contain upon learning of serious situation Eva and Gary track down John Constance to try and help learning that Sarah is using the death totem John attempts to enter Malice's realm above Malice blocks him John tries to once again save the girl astro from Malice's plane, but Sarah prevents him Amaya convinces Mick the wielded fire totem which is enough to stun Sarah allowing constancy to release her from Malice's control Fearing that she might hurt Eva Sarah breaks up with her in order to protect her Okay, hold on. I'm gonna stop Wait hold on Sarah didn't prevent John from saving Astra from hell John was using that to trick. Yeah, the malice possessed Sarah in the coming closer to him, right?
Right, okay Tries to once again save the girl astra, but Sarah prevents him. Yeah. No. Yeah, Sarah does not prevent him whatsoever John yeah, he's trickster John knew that you can't you can't get out of hell and Malice getting better out of hell Yeah, so I yeah, that was that was yeah, they just correction there on the summary We don't write these summaries we get them from the internet and perhaps shame on the internet Those of us for those of us not for those of us not into the John Constantine realm, which is pretty much all of America except you for people Astra is I was doing from Constantine.
Yes episode one. They talk about Astro he John tries to Vanish a demon to hell who's in the body of a little girl, but is unable to and then The little girl goes to hell because John can't say yeah. Wow. He's haunted by that.
That's why he's like you know a tormented person Yes, because again, you know Constantine which you know to start things off I mean, I'm kind of okay with that. I understand it's a nod and to be honest It's probably part of this is I'm not used to being on the outside. I'm like I what I bring to this table is the people I Would have been to be like I remember in my you know, or they could have cut to it or maybe they can't use the NBC footage I don't know But I mean there was a part of me that was like I assume this is from the show But you know, it would have been nice if there was some sort of you know exposition on that to kind of get us up speed But I did five seconds of exposition like when when her and Gary were going to Constantine's apartment. She was like Oh John Constantine like she's reading his file or something.
Huh? He's like some blah blah blah she spends like five seconds talking about it. Okay. Yeah super easy to miss So I feel you though because if you don't know Constantine, you don't know like what he was going through like seeing that scene He's like who's this girl?
What the hell's going on? Like I don't I don't get it Well, okay the girl from the beginning of that had nothing to do with John but talking about After that one has to deal with it blah blah blah. I think I just cut you off at the wrong time. Anywho.
Yeah, but But yeah, so so what do you guys have real thoughts on this episode Kyle? I I enjoy this episode I mean, I'll take anything constant in is in because he always he always makes the episode that much greater and the fact that he I know will will appreciate this that he's a that he was playing Dungeons and Dragons there at the end it was definitely fun to see him Play that or try to But Sarah's an idiot Mick Mick's got the fire again and What is a mind doing on the ship anymore? I'm it's until I mean, yes, you can't you can have you cannot have powers and beyond the ship Sarah does that all the time Sarah and Ray, but it's like, okay, I know the reason why you're here, but why are you here? Right.
Well, I think for me. I you know, I Like to I'm gonna go out there first of all. I like any episode that moves the story along I like any episode that you know is not filler and this definitely did not feel like filler Things moved things went forward. They're obviously setting up for the end game breaking Ava and you know Sarah up You know bringing Constantine around a little bit more, you know getting the totems into the hands of the legends and getting them to use them I get I get all that I kind of agree with you Kyle in that Amaya almost does not even have a purpose without her without her Without her vixen totem.
She is but she's right without a suit, you know, she's where he was last year or two years ago Whenever it was um, but on the other side of that, you know, I mean, I also can kind of get that you know We're we're building to something so I'm giving them a little bit of latitude. We're saying where Amaya's concerned I have a feeling this is gonna be her swan song I have a feeling that I put her back and where she belongs in time and maybe this is how we also get rid of Nate because I can't imagine Matt Ryan came Cheap we'll go through that in the news later, but you know for the most part I really did enjoy this episode I laughed my freaking tail off and a lot of stuff even though I don't play Dungeons and Dragons I want to I'm more of a magical gathering guy, but Even still I could appreciate the geekiness and all of that stuff. So yeah, yeah No, I like how they've been doing themes on each of these episodes and or not necessarily themes But like genres with the certain ones like you know or parodies of certain ones Is that you know a straight up horror kind of feel kind of like almost an alien feel when Sarah was like roaming around the ship? Yes, I thought that was really neat That was the whole thing with the uh, I'm gonna butcher the name of the Nostromo The Nostromo That's what I thought it was Um, yeah, and then them whole um, you know splitting up in everything.
Wait, did they called it a stroma protocol? Yeah, yeah, then a stroma protocol. I missed that. Yeah, so totally was alien.
Yeah, that's awesome Which is weird because earlier this week on the alien official like Facebook page They put out two new trailers for alien and aliens and I'm like This is interesting. So I don't think there's any correlation between those two, but it was just it was very interesting that it just happened to be like that Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it was a real good, uh, you know, horror story and it felt right on the ship and uh, uh, yeah Overall good episode my one complaint though and they kind of remedied this in the end was uh, they were kind of doing the whole trope of like, you know Only pathetic nerds played dnd and uh, I you know, it's There are some pathetic nerds that played dnd. I used to be one of I'm gonna go on a limb. There are a lot of pathetic And I like them and I love them very much and I'm a pathetic nerd who plays magic, but let's be a little self realistic here But yeah, I just know yeah, it's this whole you know, it's like oh, you know The negative stereotypes associated with dnd and the people who played dnd and Gary is a walking stereotype of that And so I you know I get it Gary's funny in other ways like the dnd thing I thought pushed his stereotype or stereotypical character over the top But the fact that they got constant in this like, you know super cool guy So it's a play dnd at the end sort of redeemed it and so I was okay with it at that point because I thought it was just gonna be lacking laughing Stock the whole time and it's actually like, you know, it's a fun game if you've ever played it Or if you've never played it, it's uh, yeah, you get to use your imagination and stuff and uh, yeah, it's it's fun It's fun.
But imagine it I think it was I think it was supposed to go a little deeper than that I mean, Constantine is this cool guy. Absolutely, but imagine okay You're playing Dungeons and Dragons with an actual warlock. Yeah, who has seen most of this stuff in real life Like it'd be like playing rock band Joe Sattree. Yeah, it's just it's one of those things where they're I mean I kind of get the impression he's gonna be like This isn't how it went at all I can see my way at rock band It's like play the drums so if you're playing rock band and you're playing the drums you're like, no, there's a hit there No, yeah, he's flipping through the monster manual looking at stuff going like that's not what that looks like Never even seen a demigorgon come on It's like, yeah, he's like just get out Uh, but yeah, so so yeah overall good episode enjoyed it.
I really like the sort of horror-y sort of throwbacks Um, and uh, yes, why don't we dig into the meat of it here? Let's let's start with the Maya because you know Kyle as you said earlier, she's not really doing much except for this episode She kind of Done a lot and there's not really a lot for her to do and so since Sarah's on a commission They kind of gave her this this leadership role, right where somebody had to fill the servooid and tell people what to do They've been using make recently in last couple episodes, but uh, I guess since Amaya's just kind of there they gave her this role and you know, she was kind of you know, the totem herder I guess you could say she's like, all right, we gotta go fight a totem with the totem will go You can do all these things and then they go and they break the number one rule of any horror movie Mm-hmm. They split up and I would you guys think of the way they're telling the story Uh, when they when they go and meet Constantine, the way Gary tells the story of his party versus them Uh, you know parallel do a parallel with it with the legends on the ship Uh, it was I like that. I thought that was pretty neat the little parallels What did you guys think about the whole dnd sort of analog, uh between Gary's party and the legends?
I'm gonna give it to you Kyle. I think Kyle's first and Kyle Well, am I back? Oh, no, you're back. Okay.
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I'm still okay. I'm still recording everyone. She's still be recording Yeah, so he'll be able to figure this out. Okay, so Bell, why don't you ask a question again about you know Yeah, we're gonna do that.
Okay, so basically, uh, they had a really nice little analog between Gary's The indie group and the legends and how they kind of told the story of what's happening on the ship through Gary's dnd party I thought that was kind of neat. The parallels were interesting, but what did you like that? Was that an interesting take on it or? Or like, I really?
No, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the parallels between the teams and I'm like, okay It was nice to see what he would have called what he would have called the legends, uh, you know, while he being a Among because you know, I don't know stereotypical beings. Yeah, okay, great. Yes.
Um, I don't remember the rest Abard is that what is that? What was a bar? What what a what a bar is a bar is a buffer kind of dude, uh, there's support character They sing songs and it didn't really make sense too much for me. I thought he would be more of a fighter tank kind of thing Uh, because he's you know made steel and can absorb much damage Um, no, they really didn't know they said something about right.
Oh, mike that he was like a rogue and I'm like, uh, that's good He's a rogue, but not anymore because yeah, yeah, because oh You know, so will what did you enjoy the uh, little dandy analog there? I did I got it. I got the joke because I also played world of warcraft so all that stuff they were talking about I was like, okay, I'm And um, I did I thought it was cool In some ways in other ways. I was just kind of like, you know, you're kind of like square pet, you know, you're kind of like force feeding this down I throw it.
Why are we you know, can we get to the you know action and all that? I mean, I joy Gary. I enjoyed the whole side stepping and the interaction between a but Gary and concity was was brilliant It just it was a little bit like, you know, I want to see what's going on where the hell is Sarah, you know, let's get this going so yeah, but overall I can't Can't complain and speaking of which let's talk about Sarah, you know, this this episode started with her seeing, you know, apparitions of a little girl That was later explained We'll get into that in a second and then so it kind of is driving her crazy She's getting real bad headaches and stuff until she opens the box takes death totem and then bam Thank you. Yeah, so so actually, you know, the death totem she was you know, according to Nora born to where this totem she has the deepest connection with death on anybody on the legends team because she has at one time was dead And so it and she's killed a lot of people and all that kind of stuff.
So, uh, of course she takes it and oh, yes She mostly dead. No, I'm just kidding Yeah, she wasn't actually dead. She was mostly dead But yeah, so so here's my question though. Uh, Malice takes over the totem.
We know that the toad or Malice takes over Sarah We know that the totem uh enhances your your your core being or whatever So was Sarah losing control and Malice taking over was that part of her like deep intercorruption Or was that just straight up Malice taking over this totem and uh and using her body as like a vessel? What do you guys think? Well? I think that that Ask question again I literally I think that it was Malice definitely taking over the totem and that it was drawing Sarah near there because of her Her experience with her being dead.
So it gave her so it gave Malice the opportunity to take full control over it on like last time Where he had little to no control, but it was still in her Um, so I think it might it might come back into play in the next three episodes that we have left Okay, I'm sorry. It's totem right this representative like the people that were on his side. So that's what they were trying to say So I mean there's that now this makes me think again to go back to blackest night Which I mean we keep coming to illusions to on this and I understand that if you haven't read this go read the book Because it's really great but um, there's one point in blackest night where nekron manages to put black rings On all the DC heroes who have died and he's able to control them and only the ones who have died were able to be hit Well flash out ran up at that side My question is did nora die at one point and they brought her back somehow like didn't she get like CPR or something like or dark? Yeah, she remind that arrow No, no, nor as far as I know nor dark they not die Okay, she was there for her mother's death and then her father's death Okay, because I mean I was like I wonder if that's something like it can only take over people who have actually died at some point or another Whether or not they were But I think he's just he is a lot more mystical than what everyone thinks But he also I think it was a part of that death tribe Maybe a level nine warlock They sort of address the issue when you know, sarah, uh, uh, seraph is in malas's realm and fighting all the you know bad impulses and whatnot that she has but yeah, You're right.
Well, it is malas's totem and so I kind of I'm of the opinion that uh, seraph's dark nature Uh, allowed malas take control of her body allowed him to uh, to you know possess her and stuff like that Through the death totem since they're kind of aligned Uh, but as we saw with the end of her story arc this episode, uh, she rejected that so nora Not nora and nora and an apparition of nora. I'm assuming it's not actually nora there was in malas's realm Or might have been because nora is in malas's realm kind of right because she's yeah, she's I think malas took over nora's body Yeah, yeah, so the more could be there. Yeah, okay, and so they're having a chat and they're talking and uh, you know She's basically saying you're you're always gonna be a killer. You're always gonna be a bad person Uh, wouldn't you rather just like shed off that guilt and remorse and join me and just you know kill people and stuff and uh, Ultimately she rejects that and that's what's able to allow, uh, Eva to kind of bring her back Yeah, sarah hears her and malas's realm and is able to to kick the malas habit as you as it were Um, so I there's an interesting question that we're left with here Uh, about the fate of let me see I gotta look I'm gonna I'm gonna actually put this in the speculation section because we cut this bit out, but uh, yes, so let me see here uh, Sorry facebook That's just facebook It's not just facebook These are listeners There are four people out there watching us right now and we thank everyone of you Uh, sorry, yeah, would you say that this is for play?
No Oh, here we go Right there So I do have some questions for you guys later on in the speculation section about what this means, uh, sarah's rejection of Of nor's offer, but we'll get there later. So, um, so yeah, so so that kind of it's it's you know, sarah being the leader being One of the most capable fighters that they have Her being because that's my malas is a big deal and and this was this was great because You know, while he's like, it's cool. I'm just gonna go knock her out and uh, everything's gonna be fine And so I was really kind of excited to see how they're going to nullify wallie because this is Just like just like we had the theme of how are they going to nullify firestorm this episode and season four Presuming we get one which i'm guessing we will it's gonna be how are they going to nullify wallie because speedsters are practically gods They can do everything it's just I mean, yeah, it's it's kind of difficult to write around when you have a god So it'll be it'll be neat to see how they write around in the future But in this case luckily and you guys help me remember if this is something that they just mcguffin or if this is something They've had in the past. I think they had it in the past the antisphes season two season two It was it was in rips secret compartment where the berries message was from the future That's right berry told him because because amaya used it on Thon Yeah, that's right.
That's right. I don't know how I forgot that I know it's not familiar But I could remember the exact because we'd never seen it after that season So no we didn't because we didn't need a because we didn't have a use for it because we didn't have a speedster until now Yeah, that's definitely you know armaguffin of the week one of them Brought to you by apple, please pay us apple I'm drinking apple right now angry or anything. I mean I'm recording stuff on apple. I'm using a Raj band right now I have an apple over here.
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We got Stephen Amell Nice Anyway, this is belly TV talk Talk about Wally and then we got in this episode the speedster gun Obviously Sarah knew about it So Sarah knew about Mallis knew about it And it's still interesting to me that Wally didn't just like run around with the the ship really fast find out where she was Because I'm wondering I guess I guess magic and speedsters can kind of you know What up one another I would have loved to have seen a speedster like Flashtime kind of fight between the two it would have been but I think probably too much money They're probably waiting for the finale which yeah But Well, I do this was a money saving episode if you think about it wasn't really a location shot at all everything with studio Um, you know, and so it was it was for all intents and purposes a bottle show. They're all on the ship They're all in the time stream. Nobody's getting off the ship. There's no outside shot.
Victor Garber isn't dying Even though he's not here, you know, that's what he's And he's not and he didn't go outside. That's right So I mean they save money there, but yeah, and I think they have to nerf Wally a little bit somehow And I think that if he goes forward in season four and I haven't heard yet Um, I think that's what they're gonna do is they're gonna nerf him and you know and have his inexperience be the Uh, be the thing that kind of be his kryptonite really And he's not gonna always think about the best thing to do because he doesn't have a you know, you've our thought and he's you're going Barry you should vibrate through the truck, you know, sort of thing But he but he does have but he did have Barry teach him a lot of things So like him him being able to vibrate to through that door to open it up That was that was my very You know what being able to vibrate like that didn't keep him Jesse. All right. All right Yeah, she can vibrate too.
So she can probably you know I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress try to be able to delicious So So let's talk a little bit more about about bilett being an walli in here And so this this was uh when she was coming on the show I didn't know what context it was gonna be and it made perfect sense now because it's a malice apparition and maelstrom show your fears And and while he was really messed up by this breakup And it seems to me like he found closure But do you think he looks like he took the breakup really really bad. He feels because it was done with the breakup cube and not in person And that's just kind of like impersonal. I think so because better than that other cube Yeah, yeah, I think it was really She's a speedster.
She could have gone through a breach and talked to him really fast and been broken up like that but She had to bring a breakup cube. So I think that's that's the lowest of the low. Yeah, but I'm I remember correctly didn't they like make up It didn't seem like it was not at the end of the episode. Like in flash No, he went and talked to her and they had the uh the you know closure.
He called the closure. So But yeah, I was thinking that too, right? So he had a closure moment and but this moment that he had on the ship with malice made Uh, uh, Jesse seemed like I'm like a like a huge bitch, you know Like he's like i'm a little low sometimes Not gonna be with you and it just seems kind of like rewind that character progression that they had done with with wally and uh jesse On the flash. Did you guys feel the same way?
Yeah, well, I think I think with her I think really the big key thing is is that you know, she was a she wasn't Sarah she or she was Sarah pretending to be malice or she was malice pretending to be Jesse and So I mean again going back to blackest night. They did stuff like that like these these apparitions These things would say the worst things to try to get the most emotional response out of you I'm now starting to wonder that could be a speculation as well. Is this neck rot? Like could this be oh my god?
Let this be a gateway to the green lantern core, but you know, but I mean in dealing with that I I felt it was just a waste because it wasn't her and we didn't see the real like you didn't get the interaction We didn't see the closure because she's not really there She's not really violent being and I mean his reaction even if they had closure Even if he went there and they talked and you know, and he's like we're gonna try to remain friends and blah blah blah You never get over that first love. There's always that part where you're just like, you know crap, man My my heart got crushed out of my chest and you know, it's it's tough So I mean for that the characterization rings true They actually, you know, I mean I'll call these guys to the man a thousand times on sunday But they got something right for once, you know, I mean that actually it feel true Where I think it was a waste was bringing her here and not making her a real part of the story Not making it really hurt not making it a real part of the story Um where they could work together. We could have seen that closure and then be like, you know, we really do work well together I'm really glad you were in my life. Me too and I got to get back to earth too and my team, but you know, you know, I'm always Yeah, like hope or something like that Yeah, and it you know, that would have been a better way to go I think than what this was and I think that's what we all wanted to see with violet was that that context, you know Because we having wallie makes us feel like we're gonna get to see more wallie and get some kind of closure on some of the stuff He had going and I talked way too long Yeah, so he agrees with me by the way, if you look at the top, so there you go Uh, yeah, so so I kind of agree it didn't Yes, it was malice so it wasn't actually jesse But I would have rather have seen if they're gonna bring a violin on the show rather than kind of like bring it in like you said Will just have like a sort of hope moment.
We're like, you know, okay friend moment I'm glad we're not mad at each other anymore and stuff like that or whatever But you know, obviously it was malish trying to play tricks and in that case I can kind of see wallie's reaction to it making sense Um because I'm pretty sure he acknowledged that he knew it was malice when she came out, right? Yeah, so uh, yeah, but like the way he turned it as opposed to directing that towards malice He directed it towards jesse, which was kind of weird, but uh, but you know, whatever We'll see what happens is that in the future, um, and so you know everything's going to hell And so zara comes out with a plan to get the jump ship decouple it from giddians mainframe and just gtf oh Uh, so, you know, again, they split up terrible move she goes to, uh, I guess what throw a wrench at giddian Yeah, something like that runs into, uh, sarah slash malice or should we say mara or salice I like salice salice salice salice. Yeah, so salice shows up and uh they get into a fight and here's the school I had the entire time they're fighting is why isn't zara just constantly doing wind totem crap and just blowing the crap out of uh, uh, uh out of salice like that's ultimately they needed a totem to defeat her in the end Zari has a totem the whole time that seemed kind of weird to me like it just didn't fit and And the last time the last time, uh, um, zari touched malice it hurt him. Yes.
Yes. So why it's so It's why didn't it hurt him this time is because he was uh controlling sarah with the death totem or was it just because that he's because of all these aber- um Oh crap that aberration is aberrations Is it because of all these aberrations? Um, screwing up vibrations Um, is it because he's got so much control of these aberrations that it just doesn't affect him anymore I guess i guess go to speculation, but this is part of it. Yeah I mean, well, I think she didn't do it because she didn't want to hurt sarah I think they're all a kiwi where that sarah's body.
Okay, and you know if you if you pelt sarah 50 times against the bulkhead You know malice could leave her, but she's still dead. So we can bring her back to life Yeah, there's no more Lazarus fans, but yes So that's we have Gideon right true But there's that there is that part two that I think you know where they did miss and the part that I had a problem with this Exactly zari has this wind totem and out of all of them. She's the one who knows how to use it the best She said the most practice with it because vixen doesn't have hers She is now like the senior totem bear around the ship, you know She knows the ins and outs of that totem, you know no pun would stand it like It just doesn't seem like you know She should have been the last one and they should have had the other totem like but I think they had to get her out of the way too You can't explain like we have mario's a totem now, you know or sorry Zarya Maya is so stupid because you got mario's or granddaughter, which makes you automatically want to say it by the way Mario Maya Y'all suck no Okay, that jack might be hitting me now I'm gonna be very honest this episode now So how do you really feel about something yeah It's he's bollocks Oh, yeah, it's almost kind of odd and will I agree like it's It was just weird to have her being the most experienced totem user and I guess they had to find a way to push your side So yeah, they'll I'm sure the position of the she didn't want to hurt sarah So, you know whatever but in the meantime, you know when she's out they have to find another totem bear to fight the totem bear And so they go to nate and they try to get nate to use the earth totem So you know he's running through the the ship alien style trying to find this totem he finds it nothing happens when he grabs it So here's my question on that one Because immediately when the pirate queen it was put around her neck Do you think maybe it didn't do anything is he gonna put around his neck or just because it's just not attuned with him And it's just we're just not gonna see that until we need that in the plot Second option not gonna need it until it's you know, it works with the plot, but yeah, or I just don't think that he is Oh, yeah Yeah, sorry Something like Thor with mule near he's Thor is worthy or I guess now he's not worthy Um, but yeah, it's something like you have to be worthy enough to wear the totem or you yeah Didn't I say last week or the week before whenever nora was getting her hands on On a maya's totem that the totem does you know that you have to be able to use it? You know, there's there are characteristics that are required like the totem almost She's up with a like right.
Yeah, right. Well, it's on that one But maybe you know something else has to be done for the earth totem Maybe the total you know, the total I got the impression that the totem allows you to use it and You know, it sounded to me like in some ways that the way I interpreted that was the totem rejected nate It said flat out like you know, I'm not for you and I think you know, I might have mentioned this before I think it's meant to be for Ray. I think with Ray down they just didn't you know I think we're gonna have to see I think we're gonna see Ray with that totem And I think that's how he's gonna use it to save nor because I think he's gonna save nor dark And you know, she's gonna be his new girlfriend and he's gonna ask her on updates and there's going to be kissing in the parking stuff The whole hands even yes, you know, clutch the pearls Yeah, so who knows if nate will end up being a totem bearer, there's only 60 around so i'm not sure Uh, but yeah, so speaking of totem bears. They still need a totem bearer to help defeat Sarah and uh, you know Raise out a commission because he exploded creating the fire totem and so they're like, oh, he did not explode Sarah was the one who beat him up Yeah, she's I just figured like, you know, there's a blast energy from the fire sort of creation It's kind of it's first meant to think that's make you think that but no Sarah was the one that beat him up Okay, I just assumed she like caused the power surge in the lab to like blow it up and then Yeah, his injuries were too severe to be uh, explosion based I mean, I don't know like I think it exposed you to more damage than why it is a demon I've never seen a demon inflicted injuries before so it's not really in the view I did not I did not, um, okay, okay, well that makes sense then but uh, but yeah still so they need somebody to use this this fire totem and uh Who makes more sense than the pyromaniac on board the ship?
Uh, no one Yeah, this one we called every one of us did everybody on the freaking show called this uh, or why do you watch this show called it? But uh, but yeah, so nate's our new fire totem bear and and Sorry Nick Not the tumor. It's not As I said, I twitter mik is our big lighter Yeah, right, uh, so yeah that he uses the totem. I it accepts him It allows him to use it and uh, we see this like fiery sort of stuff glow in him and he's able to make fireballs and the first thing that I thought I was like, this is sort of a transition from the Gun heat wave that we've had in the comics to like the new 52 heat wave where he can he's a meta And so there's that transition there because his gun was destroyed and uh by sarah But granted he knows how to fix it because you know, Leonard told him to you know how to fix it But I'm wondering now if he'll if he's done with the gun, but you think we're gonna see mixed gun anymore I don't know.
I just like the fact that he's so flaming now Yes, he's flaming. It's it's beautiful Make a crap rapid intent for the fish and it sells to the queen of England is earrings Anyway, anyway too far. Yeah. He's winners That was good but yeah, so he is he is totally flaming now and uh Uh, yeah, so you know he absorbs his power and he's shooting at malice and I have a little like, you know, totem fight your classic dragon ball z Shoot the power balls together I also thought like okay, you know, make make is gonna be strong this episode and defeat the bad guy But in the next episode he's gonna be weak.
That's how it always plays out in these these kind of uh, oh, I got the new power So I think I just not it's not gonna Because the totem pegs over right he doesn't know what he's doing and then he has to use the power Uh, it's kind of like Nate, you know, when Nate, you know, he Nate's out and turns to steal you super awesome. The next time he tries to do it he can't because he doesn't learn it yet and so like he's like Yeah, I got this don't worry. My steel powers is like oh crap. Can't steal stuff.
So yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I think that's gonna be the No, you know, it's gonna be an issue. He's got to learn how to use the totem and that's gonna take some time and you know, he's probably not gonna be right out the bat A useful totem bear But yeah, it is cool to see so okay. Let's go over our totem count now.
So we have make us fire We have no one for earth. We have air is zari We have uh spirit is nora Mm-hmm. We have death which I guess Sarah. Yep, and then and then kumasa's water Okay, so that's the six so we have two bad guys and three good guys and one that is unaccounted for Or uncleane because you can say okay Um, yeah, okay, so that's our totem count for right now and last but not least I want to talk about Constantine's episode Uh because I thought he was a joy to have and the dnd references were awesome Uh, and there was a really neat little uh, you know moment in there where malas summons of astrid and he's like Astra Who was the Astra is astra is the girl.
Oh, astra. I think it's a preacher. Maybe I don't know Anyway, um, so yeah, so we have that uh little interaction there between uh astra slash malas and Constantine And you think for a second, it's like huh, you know, what's he gonna do here in this situation? But you can kind of tell and like you know, just know on Constantine He would never give a demon in the upper hand or he knows too much to be tricked by a demon like that I think So it's just you know, a ploy for him to try and uh, you know force the demon out of Sarah I don't know why he just grabbed the death totem and he yanked it off her neck.
I mean with that have done it It might be but you know, so might be in the links on a non I'm like, why can't I think like a wireless connection? Yeah, it's a white photo But I realized Constantine's apartment was really weird using some kind of you know wedding ritual with the chicken and he had a severed foot for some reason Uh, that's always curious to have severed body parts just laying around your apartment sure Um, but but yeah, I liked him I there's you know some heavy application that he might be on for the next season Which we will talk about in depth later, but I wouldn't get I know will you hate him and I know Kyle you like him and I like him But I want to hear you know, what did you think about in this episode? Well like uh, yeah your name I thought he was fine. I thought it was great.
I mean again. I mean it I don't watch the show I'm not a fan, but I mean he's a lot better than you know jacks was without sirens sometimes I mean, you know, I'm gonna say that yeah, you know what he's yeah I mean it was overall, you know and way better than Hawkerl like bleeps and freak about other than that, you know I'm in so Did you like this episode? I did I love anything constant team. I can't wait until he comes back in three weeks for the finale Yeah, yeah, and hopefully he's forward to talk about later, but uh, yeah, you know, there's that's pretty much oh wait Hold on.
There's one more character that we need to talk about. I think they probably had the most important role I think they had probably the most important role of all the legends this episode and that was that was definitely right Race spent the first five minutes of the episode saying a couple words and then rebuilding a totem and then was at the commission the entire episode So some of his best work. Yeah, and thankfully He's done. Yeah, oh yeah for sure.
Just look like you got a crampie out of you and you know, you'll sit in a chair and heal the whole time Which is pretty awesome. They got the you know giddy and mcguffin of uh, we just hook up an ib2u and it heals, you know internal injuries It's non-invasive healing chair. That's pretty cool But uh, but yeah, that pretty much gives us, you know, run down all the characters and the important bits and beats of this episode Which we all agree was was pretty good and it's it's leading us There's a super questions that we brought up in the discussion there and so I think it's time for some speculation Alright here we are time to speculate on this week's episode I got this first one here, and I didn't see Ross's article that's linked in the show notes here So i'm not letting you guys take that uh-oh Well, what does it what does it say? Well, it's just that well, it's just that and I read the article like I just put that up About an hour or so ago, uh, it was positing that Gary might be dr.
Fate And then I read the article and the article's got to like it's one of those it's not so much clickbait But this side of clickbait where it's pretty much like could be I think about dr. Fade in this whole episode. There wasn't even the Wasn't even shown the helmet of Naboo Nothing. Yeah, which was shown I guess in episode one of uh, constant.
I just want to constantly yeah Yeah, so it is in the universe it is in universe, which is interesting But uh, yeah, you know my general rule of thumb when I see articles that in the question mark It's like is such and such and such the answer 99 percent of the time is no So my speculation is no I don't know if anybody he's malice if he's anybody so It's a bit drop the yeah, he's well. He posted he said too. He's like i'm a level h warlock. It's like And then I could see it at the end he could be like I told you I was a level eight warlock That would be interesting.
I think it would be interesting. Um, yeah, so uh, yeah, don't think Gary's dr. Fate But what will post the article? And our next little bit of information here has to deal with Sarah and her rejection of nor's offer while in malice is plain Uh, she said no, I cannot you know living a life without guilt and regret and pain is a terrible life So I'm not gonna do that.
That's not me and that ultimately was what allowed aba to free her from malice's realm But the question that I have is will that impact her ability to wield the death totem? Is that something that's going to be is that link broken now? Will she be a totem bear and does that mean we're going to need another person to wield the totem? Since I mean it is malice is totem.
Uh, what are you guys saying? I don't think so I think I think she'll have a stronger bond with it, but not in a bad way. I think she'll so learn how to use it in order to defeat malice Interesting. Well, what do you think?
Yeah, I don't I don't think they'll touch it until she does. Um, I think that's going to be the mcguffin of the finale In fact, I think they're gonna spend the next two episodes and repeatedly somebody's gonna say like we should use the death totem and Sarah's gonna be like Are you freaking nuts? Did you see what happened? I turned into killer frost.
I even had the air, you know, it's like And I did it count. Yeah, well, I did it count too during the twitter. I was uh, I said she was at one point killer frost, electro and Darth Vader So Yeah, so I mean really I I have a feeling you know that I don't know if apple wants to pay us the money now but um, that's gonna be our mcguffin of the the week and probably season finale is She's gonna put it on as a way to capture him or something. She'll be like this way I can interface with malice and I will put it on and I You know, so that's interesting.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I'm kind of curious.
I think they're gonna avoid using it. Uh, since it is malice is totem I don't know if they'll need it to banish him Like like they did in the past because they I think the other five joined up and banished him So maybe that's something we'll see but I'm curious though because like well what you're saying about being about being About it being the mcguffin I'm wondering if they put it seriously I put it on and they banish Sarah and then that's like a way for her to x series if she wants to Uh for the next season. I don't know I doubt they would get rid of her because she kind of you know Can't get you like yeah, she's a basically show. So um, I don't know so that that's probably a bet or maybe it's gonna be one of the characters They could get rid of wielding it for a second and be like, oh, you can banish me with malice.
It's cool. Nobody cares about me anyway Ava there's millions of ava spoilers for next week's episode. So, you know, yeah, maybe they'll do that Uh, and our last little bit of speculation here is uh, what we were talking about earlier could because there's been a lot of of of darkest night Allegory here with the darkest darkest darkest darkest night is that man blackest night I know I keep screwing that up. I did all the time.
I've done it too before. Yeah. Yeah, so there's a lot of blackest night allegory here with uh with that Podium on things that it's doing so could malice be necron thoughts Um, I mean it would be cool that have necron on the show But it because I mean he's he's voiced by john novel So it'd be you don't have to show john novel. You just have to show Oh Um No, I think it would be pretty cool to have necron on the show, but I don't think you can have necron without green lantern I agree with that as much as I would like it to be and if this is how they introduced they used the toados to introduce the emotional spectrum Okay, now you've brought me back in Emotion spectrum from the season one of flash.
Yeah, right? Most of them does a bridge right if they if they use this to bring it back Uh, you've got me, you know, take my money even though I don't pay you and you know blah blah blah because I mean everybody knows I wear green lantern. I mean there's a lantern behind me. You can't see it.
I mean lanterns my guy Um, I'd love to see that. I mean there is a lot of parallels between malice and necron if he's not necron They read blackest night and are like, well, let's do this and let's do this and we'll do this and we'll do this and we'll have this one You know and britany even or steven says no gl no necron. So and I do I have to Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be super cool if they were introducing that And like we've mentioned before on the show like if they decide to go a different direction with the show and maybe go You know like a cosmic show where they investigate other parts of the DC universe or You know as opposed to time, maybe that would be an interesting way to introduce green lanterns But yeah, I don't know probably not necron would be neat to have that you know the whole emotional spectrum and the lanterns on the show But I doubt it Who knows? We'll see But yeah, you know what?
You know what time it is? No, it's it's time for my favorite portion of the show and that is Oh It's time for mix quarter of the week All right, we had lots this episode because it had a bunch of funny stuff to say and so kyle why don't you take it away? Who dressed me? I'm not chasing a rusty pooch.
I take one lousy nap. Never fight moving my lips We're gonna need a bigger med bay Number seven like and you look like a cat stuck in a dryer I don't know. I like I like to buy moving my lips. That's how we just say that It was just such a big thing to say So my vote my vote's not number four by moving my lips.
Will you say number six? You're down a leg? I'm sorry by moving my lips wins. All right.
All right. Well, we got our mix. What a week Kyle. What is it?
By moving my lips There you go folks. That is a mixed quote of the week and uh Really quickly really quickly. Yes. Did anyone see Zari's shirt?
No, it had it had the tiger the the tiger from shazam on it. Oh, did it? Yeah, which was a little tabby Yeah, and an iso call back to shazam I think that's time for news I think so Uh, yeah, the little beep indicates that it is indeed time for news And we got a couple things to talk about this time this time and uh first off It's Constantine So at the end of the episode Constantine and Gary sit down with his dindi group and they play and it's heavily implied that uh, you know He's joining the group a quote unquote. Um, and so Right, right, but it's but also Sarah said something about oh, we should just make you a bet on the ship Yeah, they they they keep dropping these hands dropping these hands dropping these hands And of course the news article came up before this episode aired saying that he is officially a season four regular so If they go to season four, of course, yeah, if they get a season four of course, which we you know, it's we It's definitely here, but i'm thinking it's pretty much guaranteed.
This is one of their higher rated shows It's got a lot of their talent a lot of draws. So i'm excited I've been wanting to see Constantine back on tv for a long time and finally We get to do that and maybe it'll make legends a little bit more interesting As far as the the types of villains and threats that they face more supernatural stuff could be cool Uh, maybe they'll shy away from time, uh, like we've talked about before Uh, so yeah, i'm super excited about that Um, but again, we still know there's a season four so who knows who's gonna go on there? Uh, and uh, this this second one here where's all this totem stuff going? That seems like that seems like speculation Well, you don't say that for next week.
Yeah, because i'm sure we'll have a little bit more information on some totems I know Let me pull it up really quickly talking about yourselves. It does have to deal with the finale. Um, it does have a Um, it does have a title and it does have a little Um, synopsis that goes along with it now. This does come after the episode guest starring john nobel, which does indeed guest our john nobel Um in two episodes So john nobel's gonna be john nobel's gonna be playing himself This i've been interesting, but the the title of the season three finale is called the good the bad and the cuddly Oh bebo bebo bebo be able to make an appearance at this episode too.
That's true. I dare you guys Yeah, but um, so the the description is the legends plan of a push mollus by using the totems doesn't go as planned forcing rip to improvise The team finds itself regrouping in the wild west where they run at their old pal jona hex sara leaves ray in charge of watching damey dark While she comes up with a new plan. Meanwhile amaya is determined to find a way to use the totems to destroy mollus Wait, that's a season finale Sorry, that's a season finale. So that's oh good.
No, no you go ahead I was just gonna say season three finale is debuting on April 9th. It sounds like they're Like they're cliffhangering this end of the season Yeah, I don't think so. I hope they don't it sounds like it but They probably won't yeah, no interesting. We also by the way, we do have a post from roncy did come back this week All right, excellent.
So it said possibly one of the best episodes of the series I've always enjoyed constant teens appearances in the arrow verse and to hear the news that he's going to be a regular in season four is Fantastic his scenes in this episode were funny and sarah's comparison with john and sting comes from the allen more run Who created the character based on the artist from swam thing desired a draw character who look like sting the musician? Okay I thought the visions the legends had were clever and the cameos and appearances from jesse commandor steel and black and they're we never talked about steel Were used very well. I agree with that. I miss black and air is black and airy Um to see make finally wheel the fire totem was freaking awesome I thought for a second he would have taken on the appearance of heat wave from the new 52 series But seeing him throw fireballs was just as good.
I don't know about you guys But the seeing the death totem reminded me of the black lanterns and makes me want to see a gree bladder making appearance on the show It's a boy Ross and I are on the same wavelength. Yeah, what do you think with constant team becoming a regular? I hope they decide to give him his own special effect on the show What the hell is that? Uh the chanting and I rolling kind of kind of like what they did with a doctor strange Right the chanting and I rolling is all well and good But I want to see the kind of effect the character using the comics are on the justice league dark animated movie Which I highly recommend if you're still not sure about the character will I just see that movie and it didn't help It didn't help It is met right voice in john cusitine Was all right it did listen.
I'm not a magic guy like I'm the side by Speaking of speaking of Cossitine and animated depending on when this episode comes out his his cw seed Animated show will be starting or have has started premieres on saturday. Oh, okay. We're john cossitine. Yay.
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