4.58 Alex Kocman, David Schrock, & Stephen Wellum • Interview • “Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for Immigration”

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview Alex Kocman on his COA Longform Essay "Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for Immigration"Timestamps00:30 – Intro04:50 – Alex’s Role in ABWE & Christmas Teaching07:37 – What is a Refugee?09:22 – How Do We Seek to Correctly Interpret Scripture?11:20 – Refugees and Migration15:10 – What Does Scripture Say in Regards to the Refugee, Sojourner, etc.?18:00 – What Makes it Difficult to Think in Categories?21:25 – Thinking About How These Things Affect Nationhood25:52 – What Key Things Should We See from Matthew 2?29:39 – What is the Main Emphasis of the Gospel of Matthew?33:00 – What are the Dissimilarities Between Immigrant and Refugee?36:57 – What are the Church’s and State’s Responsibilities Towards These People?43:40 – Dr. Wellum’s Perspective on Immigration50:26 – The Order Amoris56:14 – Final Thoughts57:23 – OutroResources to Click“Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for the Immigration Issue” – Alex Kocman“Christian Nationalism Misconceptions with David Schrock & Steve Wellum” – The Missions Podcast“Jesus Was a Refugee” – He Gets Us“Yes, Jesus Was a Refugee” – Russell Moore“Jesus Was a Refugee and an Immigrant” – Lindsay Popperson“Jesus Was a Refugee” – Salt“Pastor Defends Illegal Alien by Saying the Bible is about “God saving us through immigration”” – Not the Bee“U.S. Code, Title 8, Aliens and Nationality ẞ1101(a)(42)” – Legal Information Institute“Refugees: 2024” – Amanda Yap, U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security“Desecrations, threats, and silence: anti-Christian violence grips France” – Gavin Mortimer“Arson Attacks on Christian Churches Rise to Record High in Germany” – Kurt Zindulka“Some migrant groups are ‘disproportionately criminal’ due to cultural factors, claims renowned Swiss forensic psychiatrist” – Thomas Brooke“Dublin protestors clash with police, burn vehicle after migrant accused of sexually assaulting Irish girl” – Michael Dorgan“Police accused of covering up alleged asylum seeker child rape for fear of ‘Inflaming community tensions’” – Kurt Zindulka“British Parliament rejects inquiry in the ongoing pedophile rape-gang scandal (by a wide majority)” – Edward TeachTheme of the Month: Christmas BuffetGive to Support the Work