In the dead of night as people sleep, that is when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three dark things take power, we like to call it the supernatural hour. Welcome to the supernatural hour. Hey, good to be here.
Oh, I'm Raven. Sorry, forgot that part. Hey Raven, I'm Rogue. That should be like at least my most important part.
This is Doc and Chats here too. So we are coming to you from the attic of despair. Is that what we're calling our place? But it's bigger.
It's a bigger attic of despair. A larger attic of despair. Rogue is out of the corner. No one puts Rogue in the corner.
No one foot. Well, they did. But I'm out now. We pulled her out of the corner.
So for the business, we're going to have an investigation. Wheeler Farm Saturday, July 31st from 8 p.m. till midnight. We're looking forward to this.
That's in South Salt Lake. Murray. Murray. About 9,000,500 Southish.
Here's the thing. People go to Wheeler Farm all the time. I've never been there. I went there once to scout it out for this investigation.
But that's it. There's all kinds of things to do. We have a lot of nice events. It's a nice place.
And when we were there, it was colder than cold. It won't be this time. No. No, it's hotter than hot now.
It will be. Yes. I don't have to worry about the cold. No, I think I don't need the cold this time.
After a while, I was like, okay, let's get back on the ground cold. But it's a very large venue with some really cool buildings. We won't be able to go inside of many of the buildings. But we'll go on the outside in different areas.
A lot of different, very large venues. So there'll be a lot of places to go tanks. And it's historic. Yes, it is.
That's why they call it the Wheeler historic farm, right? Yes. Are there any spooky stories from Wheeler Farm? I'm sure there are because there have been groups from Utah that have investigated there before.
So we're definitely not the first. But this will be our first time. So I personally don't have any spooky stories from Wheeler Farm. I have investigated a long time ago with a group and we were allowed in the main house.
I didn't have any experiences, but the main house is supposedly haunted. So that's what gets the teams out there is to get into the main house. So we will be around the main house. Look at maybe see what we'll see about how that works.
Maybe we've got time. We might be able to pull string or two. Anyway, we'll be around the farm. And I'm sure it's going to be a pretty active venue.
I've never heard any complaints about it from the people that have been there. Perfect. And we had our first patron zoom meeting with some of our insiders. It was a really exciting evening.
We were able to get some ideas on what we're going to do for our patron insider event that's accessible to those people that are patrons. We're going to go into Rock Canyon Park and have a dinner. It'll be a really neat event. So if you're interested in looking into that, consider signing up and becoming a patron.
I've heard some stories about Rock Canyon Park. Lots of people falling to their doom there. Yes, we had all sorts of. Where we thought we were going to have activity when we went there before was not where we had activity, but the activity that popped up was cooler than what we had planned.
If that makes any sense at all. Are not anticipated. Yes. Yeah, we don't really plan activity.
We're not planning for a ghost to show up. I mean, you're always hoping, right? Well, we would be ghost hunters, right? If we could do that.
That's true. You have to do a little work. You plan for a deer. All right.
So we have not had any residentials in the last few weeks. However, we have been to the Barbary Coast and we did our public investigation with the Dance Paranormal. And that was awesome. That was awesome.
That was Friday night, the 11th, the 12th. I don't remember what it did. The 18th. That's how it was.
But it was really Saturday morning because it was 1 a.m. Yes, it was Friday into Saturday. Right. Even though we said that very many times there were still some confusion with some people, but we got it done.
We did. We did. We had a lot of fun. We had some of our patreons were there.
So thank you. But we got some really good evidence. Okay. First of all, okay.
We'll talk about the food first. Okay. You know how I've been talking about their cream cheese stuffed pretzel drizzled with chocolate and caramel? That's so amazing.
That was? They don't have it anymore. And you should see the look on her face. How upset she is.
They told me that that night I was like, oh, because it was so good. And it's not them. There's something wrong with the people that they get it from. They're not able to get it anymore for some reason.
They would still be caring if their vendor would come through. But they still have some amazing desserts. I don't remember what she told me, but we're going to go up one of these days and try the apple pie with ice cream. And there's a couple other desserts too.
But don't go there just for that cream cheese stuffed pretzel because you're not going to get it. But go there for other stuff. So anyway, okay. And then when we were there.
They're little flat iron steak dinner for $10. Is very good. I've had some of their burgers. The burgers are good.
And then that night they brought out chips and salsa. And those chips were amazing. I could have eaten those without the salsa. Yeah, they fried them up.
It wasn't like store bought corn chips. These were fried on premise and they came out warm and they had a really good salsa with them. And they brought out chicken fingers that were amazing. So definitely go there for the food if you don't go go shopping.
Yes, they took very, very good care of us. We want to thank them for that. So we actually had, we kind of broke the venue up into three different areas. We had the outside by the memorial and by the creek.
We had the main level and then there was the basement. And we had already gone out there and done a preliminary investigation. Because you want to make sure that you actually have activity before you have people pay you to come out. And downstairs we knew would be crazy.
When we went to test it outside was a little hard because it was right there on state street. And we went a little earlier and there's a lot of traffic. There was not as much traffic when you were there to go in the morning. There's not a music land.
At seven o'clock in downtown Salt Lake there's a lot of noise on the state street weirdly enough. But not at two a.m.? No, it was actually quite outside. And then we went to the basement and we knew that the basement was going to be crazy.
And we really didn't do a whole lot on the main floor. But I figured the main floor where all the bar activity is and where people are dancing on the tables. And the drinking and getting drunk and getting rowdy and fights. Right.
Bar incidences that happen on a semi-regular basis. I thought there would be a lot more activity on the main level. There wasn't. However, what I felt like you could feel sorry our pooch has got the issues apparently.
You could feel about a hundred spirits there. And it was packed. But I got the impression that no one's ever goes on to there before. And they were kind of all like whoa what are you guys doing?
It's like almost like they were nervous. I think when we go back again they'll recognize this and they'll realize, okay, who don't you're doing? And I think they'll be more like we're active. Come forth and talk to us.
One of our other investigators I talked to a little bit about it and he goes, I can feel there's people here. You know, there's not a lot of interaction. But there are people entities there in the upstairs. But there wasn't a lot of evidence gathering per se or that kind of stuff.
I would agree with that. But downstairs and outside was a different story. Right. So with my team outside we worked with the next box and we were able to see someone up in the tree.
Yeah, so we've got pictures of these and we're slowly going to put them up on TikTok and on the Facebook page. We don't want to put it all up too much. We'll give you some anticipation. Sorry.
What else did you see outside? Well, for me on that first time out we were getting some tracers. I don't know if we actually captured anything in a video. We could see them through the phone.
But that for my team going outside that was the highlight. That was a pretty good highlight. Oh yeah. Stick figure up in the tree and it's not showing anybody else just a stick figure in the tree.
Right. And then as I remember right, wasn't the stick figure had his hand around his neck or oh, I don't know. I thought I heard that it had his hand around his neck. It kind of looked like a hanging.
I mean, because it was up in the tree and it did kind of looked like. You know, an entity that had been hung. Really? Yeah.
So wow. So I did looking at it. Chuck sent me the picture and I looked at it very briefly, but it was kind of busy when I was looking at it. So I didn't look at it closely.
We'll have to get a look at that one. So the highlight for my team anyway was down in the basement. We had a lot of activity going on down there. Sounds like it.
We had one gal got punched from something that came out of the portal. One of our investigators that comes with us a lot said, yeah, almost better. Because when we were there the first time, Lucy poked in for just a minute or two. Right.
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Right, but one of our members, he has this app that he downloaded on his phone and it looks like a thermal image but it's not and I don't remember for the life of me what it's called. The proximity image. But it's a proximity so the closer it is, the hotter it looks if you're thinking on the thermal camera. So if it's close you're red, orange, yellow, you're far away, you're green, blue, purple.
So at one point we were sitting around the portal that's in the basement of the Barbary. Everybody was stationary, nobody was moving. And when you look at his, and I think I've already put this up on TikTok and it'll get on the Facebook page at some point. You can't have it all at once, you're gonna have some anticipation.
But we're all sitting there and you see me in the foreground asking questions about the dalting rods. And then you see a little figure because this portal we've already determined is being kind of watched over by two gnomish kind of weak type 3s. He's not watching over this portal, so pop her head through every now and then. But you can see one little bent over gnom figure just book on out of there.
And then as you look at this you'll see something that almost looks like a second one but it's not, and even Ethan said that's not anything that's me, you know, moving around and there was a cord there. And he says, but watch. And after, so you see the first little gnomie figure just book off and it almost has a gate to it. I mean it's not, it looks like someone walking very fast.
And then you see kind of a rustle of, you know, the cord. But then very clearly a few seconds later you see the second little figure take off. And the interesting thing about this is it wasn't too much after this. We asked the dowsing rods to point where these two little type 3s were and it pointed over by the black widow area, which is the direction that they ran in according to that proximity detector.
I love it. It was awesome. I love it. So you see them just going, oh, we're out of here.
You guys are scary. Perfect. So it was fun. One of, I think one of our investigators had a few tracer photos, so as soon as I can get a hold of those, we'll get those posted up to.
So it was fun. In fact, at one point you came up to me rogue and said it's four, so we started up and I was like, what? Because when I first got there, I thought, I am not going to make it through tonight. It's one o'clock and I might die right now.
It was kind of tough. I'll have to say I drank three red bulls. And that wasn't good on my stomach. I don't drink a lot of red bull.
And that wasn't good. So I stayed awake. You gave me a red bull. I've never had a red bull before.
So by about three, I was like, I probably won't sleep until next week. That's like me every shift, guys. I told him not to see where I'll go. To at least.
There's a reason I'm not a doctor. Yeah. So at the very beginning, the brain fog was real, but the red bull cleared it out like we're something. That's good.
That's good. Cause I kind of lived in the brain fog of just like, I'm in motion and I know what I was supposed to be doing. And that was pretty much that was it for me. But it was fun.
We'll definitely go back and we hope when we do, you can make it this time. Cause it's a very active area. All the guests had a great time. In fact, they didn't leave.
They stand around out in the parking lot afterwards until almost five, talking about the investigation. And really? Well, that's amazing. And we know because we were there with them.
They were talking about things. We felt like it was really bad. We're out. Right.
So yeah. Well, I did that. Cause I did. Yeah.
But you had to. You went straight to work. Yeah. The patron or the all of the people that came to the event really enjoyed it.
I think that it was a great event. Yeah, it was super fun. I'm excited to go back. Okay.
So our main topic today is 411 missing phenomenon. Have you guys heard of this before? I hadn't. I had heard of it before.
I just didn't know it had this name. I've heard of people missing and strange curts. Right. I've heard of 411.
Right. So that was kind of given. I think that's just a given title by the author. Right.
I don't know if it's, but it's interesting because so these basically in layman's terms is these people that go out in the woods and they go missing and then they come back, but it's really weird. But there's actual some actual criteria has to follow to be one of these 411 cases. So did you guys hear where the origin of the term 411 comes from? Yes, I did.
No, it comes from it's computer lingo. You should know this Chad. They said the origins come from an inconspicuous computer term that refers to data that cannot be found or a corrupted link. Oh, there you go.
I read that. I was like, stop. I'm going to be found or one one because 411 usually means information, but that makes more sense. So a couple things.
The disappearance has to occur in a national park, a rural area, or a large reserve of public land. So if you're downtown in Chicago or something, it doesn't count. You've got to kind of be out. You just got kidnapped at that point.
There has to be exceptionally odd circumstances surrounding the disappearance. And mental illness or voluntary disappearance does not appear to be the cause. Right. So it can't be explainable by the just crazy.
Right. The vast majority of these disappearance occur on clearly marked and popular hiking trails. Not always because oftentimes it involves children, but many times more often than not, the victims are proficient. That's our hard word to say.
Well, proficient outdoors men and women, you know, hikers, hunters, people that know the terrain, know how to be outdoors, are usually prepared to be outside, know the backwoods really well. But there's no real answers. I mean, no one knows. I'm going to get into some of the stories of a few things that they think have happened.
One of the other things, and I thought I had this in my notes, but I can't find it. I must have cut it out. But it also said that a lot of times there's little cluster areas. And one thing that's common in these cluster areas is a large area of granite and water.
And so one of these cluster areas is actually Yosemite National Park in California because it's granite. There's a lot of water. And so this is one of the areas that it tends to happen a lot. Right.
I was reading that they can cluster from three to 70 to 80. Disappearances in one area. So sorry, if you were planning on going to Yosemite this summer, totally just bummed you out. Sorry.
There's something there. We're not sure what, but there's something there. Okay. So I have just a couple little short stories here.
And these all happen to at Yosemite. So there's a gal named Stacy. And this happened in 1981. She was about 14 years old.
She's on horse riding trip with her father. A lot of her other friends are there with her. And they're in Yosemite. And they're just having this, let's go to Yosemite.
Right, her horses have a good time, kind of a deal. And after they had gotten to their camp, Stacy decided she was going to clean up and take a walk. I'm not a horse rider, but I can imagine after riding a horse for a while, you probably want to stretch your legs a little bit. And so, you know, she's 14.
I wouldn't call a 14 year old super experienced, but she's old enough to know not to go traips and off into the woods by herself. So she asked her dad, asked a couple of friends, say, you want to come walk with me? And they're like, no, we're tired. We don't want to go.
So she said, okay, that's fine. Someone's going to go with me. I'm just going to go down to the lake, stretch my legs, take a few pictures. I'll be right back in the lake.
It was not that far away. The lake was actually with an ear shot of where they were. And it wasn't in an area that was known for bears or cougars or any wildlife. And so the dad said, you know, I didn't really think much about it.
So within an ear shot, I'm not really worried about it. So she went on a short walk. It was never seen again. And they had searches lasting about nine days.
They had hundreds of people, sniffer dogs, helicopters. And the only thing that was ever found of her was her lens cap from her camera. And this one is one where they were never found. But there are stories that sometimes they come back with some pretty incredible stories of things that they've seen.
And sometimes they don't even remember. They have no idea how they ended up. But when I was reading, 95% of something that they have common in cases that can't find them. Right?
So that's a common factor. I've got to follow a scent for a certain length of time. I saw somewhere they even saw this little kid's. This little kid's shoe prints in the sand.
And then it was just gone. And there weren't other shoe prints around and there weren't rocks. And it was just like something to pick up the child. And it was gone.
Yeah, there's a fellow that they call Mystery Man. This was in 1968. And in early August of 1968, this man's body turned up in a crevice. And it was not very far from the Sunrise High Sierra Camp, which is also where Stacey, the one we just talked about, had been.
And the man had never been identified. They still don't know who he is, which is why he's called the Mystery Man. But as they analyzed his body to try to determine a cause of death, obvious signs that they usually look for like the blunt force trauma, multiple broken bones suggesting that he may have fallen or been beat up by a bad guy by an unsub. If you watch Criminal Minds, we're watching that right now.
So the bad guys, unsub. There was nothing. They have no idea. You know, why he would be there.
That's like the opposite of the last story. You had a girl who disappeared and they never found it. Here you have a body and you go, how did that get there? Right.
He could be missing from somewhere else and this, whatever, popped him down in the wrong area. Well, a lot of times they're found if they are found. They're found in really weird areas or very far from where they were taken. Right.
From what I understand, there's thousands of cases of missing people in these areas, these parks and forests. I don't know what percentage of them pop back up versus stay missing forever. Right. Just in this little hotspot and we won't go through the whole story because they're actually really short and they're basically just disappeared.
But there is a Timothy Barnes in 1988 and there's a fellow named Jeff Estes in 1976. All in the same area, all just disappeared. So that's why they think that, you know, there's these little hotspots. There's just things like this.
There's just so many people in the same area that just go missing mysteriously. So as you were doing your research, did you come up with any of your stories of people with that had been found recalling where they had been or any idea of where they'd gone? So there was one that we actually watched a YouTube video on and Chad, you can jump in on this if I get stuff wrong because I do that often. A little girl had gone missing and she'd been missing for a couple days.
And when they finally found her, they found her miles and miles away from where she disappeared. And she was just sitting there like, you know, like. Is this the one that she was in her flip-flops and swimsuit? I think so.
And, you know, I mean, she had a few scratches, but it was like five or six miles where she was found. And she up on a cliff. I think so. Yeah, and they could not figure out how she could have gotten there.
You know, and even just based on what her flip-flops looked like, in order for her to get her, those would have just been torn to shreds. And they asked her how she got there and she said, oh, my imaginary friend, help me. The imaginary friend had a name. Yeah, unless there are at least something like that.
Yeah, unless there's several other stories that I wrote. There's a note on that one on the imaginary friend because of the same area in 1928, a little four-year-old girl had died and went missing in that same area. Her name was Alyssa. Very close.
It wasn't quite exact, but it's one of those things and this girl said, yeah, she helped me get down here. And she told me where to go and she helped. And it's like, you know, this girl had never had an imaginary friend before coming to this situation and never had the imaginary friend after coming to this situation. And in several other stories that I read, they always were talking about like a shadowy person or, you know, a big tall person.
It seems like oftentimes when people recall where they've been, the other people that have been found, there's always somebody there that has helped them. And many times there's no recollection of the time being lost at all. Yeah, and sometimes people didn't even realize they were lost. You know, people come to find them and they're like, oh, we've done what we're if you did.
And they say, I haven't gone anywhere. And they go, yeah, but it's like four days later. Yeah, like four days later, we've had hundreds of people searching for you. We thought you were dead and either like, no.
Kind of reminds me of the fire in the sky incident in Arizona. I'm trying to remember the last name of the guy. I think it was Travis was his first name that went missing for several days and then came back and, you know, wrote a book actually about his alien abduction and all the things that happened while he was gone. But I'm trying to remember, I think when he came back, he didn't really have much recollection until he hit it.
Was he like walking on the street, like kind of found himself just walking down a highway? I think I just heard that story like yesterday. Right. There's a movie about it, which is an interesting film if you haven't seen it.
And there's like three or four, like he was with a group of people and they all kind of had the same recollection of him leaving and levitating up kind of a thing and they ran. Yeah, they ran away from it. Yeah, I think that's the case. Another thing they say is oftentimes the bodies will be found, like we mentioned before, with no, I mean, they cannot figure out why this person passed away.
And when they do find them, oftentimes they'll find them in an area just within a few hundred feet of where the person went missing and there's no reason whatsoever that those initial researchers should not have found them the first time. The rescue team, search and rescue wasn't able to find them. Yeah, in fact, they talk about one fellow named Ronald Kirk and this was just as recent as 2012. And he was a runner and a former Marine.
And he was in a place called the Red Rock Canyon Calico Basin. And he went missing in late January of 2012. And he had a history of spending time in this area. And it wasn't the first time thing he was, you know, in this area all the time.
And so we told the friends, I'm going here and none of them were concerned because they're like, he goes there all the time, not a big deal. But then no one saw him alive again. And, you know, so they put out the search and rescue teams, finally found him months later. And he was just in a spot that was surrounded by established trails.
I mean, it wasn't like out in the brush. He was about 200 meters from a really popular spot called the Turtle Head Peak Route. And they said that the delay of his discovery was just an optical anomaly. So, you know, because they're not thinking, oh, aliens and weird things are like, ah, it was, you know, the body blend.
And the soil, you know, the body blended in with the pigment and the soil. But what makes this strange is, okay, yeah, you know, a body can, I can buy that. You know, his clothes, you know, just mingled in with the surrounding area. But since there was no definitive cause of death, and the fact that it wasn't like, you know, miles away and just the outback, it was right there where trails were.
I mean, to the point that if, you know, one of us had just gone traipsing around. You might have found him. You might have found him. You know, not might have, you would have kind of a thing.
So that's why he is considered a 411 because there's no reason they couldn't have found him the first time they met Lickin. I watched one where they talked about a guy that was, I think, like Michigan or Lake Superior, one of the Great Lakes. And he was out snowshoeing and doing those things and he told his family what was going on and everything. And he didn't show up and when they went out looking for him, they followed his trail out through the snow.
And then it stopped as it going towards one of the Great Lakes. I think it was a mission, but I'm not sure. And this was in like February. And, you know, there wasn't anything.
You know, it could have been that snow blew over the tracks at a certain point. You know, some people thought, well, maybe he committed suicide. You know, there wasn't really any. There wasn't other tracks out there.
Anything else. And nine days later, he showed up in San Francisco. I look away. He had no recollection of how he got there.
From snowshoeing in Michigan. Really? Yeah. And it was like, okay, you know, and it's like, you know, there was something of, well, maybe he had been dragged by somebody in a trucker and taken across because it's about how long it would take.
I mean, they're trying to think of what would be the things that, you know, could take a situation. But it's like, you know, he had no recollection and he was disoriented. You know, it's like, what am I doing? You know, I mean, here, and he was, you know, clear across the country.
That's a good one. I will say, looking at theories behind the missing 411 phenomenon, it runs the gamut. It's like anything from Bigfoot to aliens to say, Tana, Colt, MK, Ultra. I mean, it is serial killers.
Serial killers. It's many, many wormholes, you know, where you name it. It's different time realms. They say that a bird could come down and got picked up some of these kids and flew them up the cliff.
When your most plausible explanation is a bird picked up a child and flew them to the top of the mountain. It is kind of weird. But the kids are okay, so it's the best you can do, huh? They're flesh off.
Now, they did say that interestingly enough, UFO sightings often correlate with these hotspots. So the places where these hotspots are where the 411 missing occurs is also places where people claim to see a lot of UFO activity. Is there a connection? That's the big question.
It's aliens. It's always aliens. So this David Pilates, Pilates, that's Pilitis. Pilates are something else right.
That's like an exercise. Let's cut that out. We don't want him to hear that. So he's got nine books out, 1900 case studies right now.
I mean, it just keeps going and going and going. And he's got his own podcast called The Canam Project. I tried to listen to him. He's a little hard to listen to him tell the story.
He doesn't kind of tell it as well as Mr. Ballen. And Mr. Who?
Mr. Ballen? Mr. Ballen.
I like Mr. Ballen. He's a good storyteller. Stories about different things.
I found many of his very interesting. We can do a podcast just on what Mr. Ballen does. Yeah, but the Pilates guys know he knows his stuff.
He wrote nine books. Pilates. No, Pilates. Come on, man.
Don't do that. I think that's going to be your thumbnail. Pilates. Pilates guy.
You're missing kids. Great. So some of the stories that I found, like where people were, they found them, but then they would find them and they were nude. Or like I had one lady.
She was nude and she was upside down in a river. And when they did her autopsy, they said she didn't die from hypothermia, but yet the autopsy says that she died from hyperthermia because they really don't know her cause of death. So that was one of the things that I found a lot in common with a lot of the stories I ran into is the things that people were putting themselves through and then they would find their deceased body. So a lot of it was nudity or like they wouldn't find guns.
They wouldn't find things and all of their clothes would be gone. Everything's gone, but they're naked somewhere, usually in water. With their face submerged. It's almost like they've been tossed.
Just kind of tossed aside. Maybe by an alien out of a spaceship. Right. That's always aliens.
I mean, I don't know. It's just the easiest answer is just to say, ah, the aliens got them. If you've ever watched ancient aliens, it's always aliens. And I have.
Who built the pyramid? Aliens. Of course. So I'm going to go back to remember how I said I couldn't find my notes on the granite and the water set.
I thought it was at the beginning, that's at the end of my notes, not the end of the words. I'll talk about this. But it says, many of these instances occur in your bodies of water, which is what you just said. Rogue.
Around granite boulders. And then there's also a strangely small amount of distance between where the victims are found. You know, it's not hundreds of miles. You know, you're not kind of in the area.
It's the same campground. It's the, you know, within hundreds of feet of where the last one was found. And it's, you know, for instance, the first story that we told about Stacey, the horseback rider, and Ronald Kirk, the next one that we talked about. They were all outdoorsy adept people.
And, you know, they both just went a short ways away from where they had intended to be. And they were both near bodies of water. And the cabin that was in the area was surrounded with large granite boulders. What does it mean?
Right. So the granite's conducting something to the aliens. But going into aliens, I've been trying to think of where this was. I want to say Shiprock, but I don't know that you can just climb up Shiprock.
I don't think they love it. It's kind of a sacred place. Anyway, but it was like a Shiprock or Devil's Tower, one of those famous giant rock things. That a little boy went climbing up and he was found.
And he came back down. He was gone for about a week. And to his knowledge, he wasn't gone at all. To his knowledge, he went up.
I mean, his story was he hiked up, got lost, and, you know, kind of sat down and cried because he was scared, and some people came. And he said there were several, like a handful or so of people. He says that they were very tall. He described them as tall and shadowy.
And they took him to a cave. And, this is a story I read a long time ago. So I don't remember what he said that they did in the cave, but it was nothing creepy. I mean, it wasn't like probing or anything creepy.
I think they displayed with him for a little while. And then, you know, to kind of calm him down, like he went with the child. Look at the tan, look at the bounce, and he was just trying to get him to laugh and calm down. And he said that they played for a little while, and then at one point, one of them, he kind of described them as dark and shadowy.
Not like dark skin, but like more like shadows like shadowy dark. And one of them took his hand and walked him back down the mountain. And he also said, sit on this rock and someone will confine you. And sure enough, within a couple hours, the sheriff's department found him.
And, you know, he thought he'd been gone for 15 minutes, but he'd been gone for like a week. And he'd been gone for a long time. And he would have been gone once. But in his last time, you know, right now, we're gonna beat it up again.
And he said, wait, youOkay, we'll be on the right side. Did you hear the whole story? Shout out to people now, man. Look at all these theories we've got.
Still sounds alienishish. So, there is the possibility that there is what he calls a smokescreen. We're going back to Mr. Pilates.
Pilates guy, all right. He's never gonna forgive us if he hears this, you know. How do we pronounce that thing? He's probably never heard of a politus.
I know, but people will remember him. Pilitis sounds like he's an infection detective. they don't work together. And Pardon me, he gets it.
Pardon me, he's like, okay, well, you're doing your own investigation. But he said one time the FBI came, National Guard came looking for a missing child in 2013. And then a forest ranger. And he said it was so different.
They wouldn't even talk to each other. They wouldn't even talk to the parents. It's almost like, It's like a formality. We're like, we're not looking for your kid, but we're not really looking for each kid.
Almost like, you know, if I can't see you, you can't see me almost. Like, if we don't talk to you, then you don't know we're here. And I don't know. You know, coming from a law enforcement family, it's like, oh, they just don't want to contaminate their own evidence.
And, you know, you know, get ideas from other people that, you know, but it does seem strange that you wouldn't say, oh, hey, you're looking for the kid too? What information do you have? This is what we have. We can collaborate together.
I don't want to share information. Well, when I was reading too, they were saying that on some of these cases, the FBI come out, but the FBI don't search for missing people. So what are the FBI doing? Coming out in some of these cases.
Do you have much criminal life? I do sometimes, but is that real life? Of course it's on TV. Okay.
All right. Okay. I don't know. I don't know the inner workings of the FBI.
I don't either, but that was something that when I was going through that, that was one of the cases, it's like the FBI don't look for missing people. So what are the FBI doing here? They have to figure things out. Not unless there's an extenuating circumstance, or if they think it might be an alien.
If it crosses state borders. That's the men in black guys. We're looking for the men in black. Exactly.
No, the FBI can get to my knowledge, and I can be wrong. But to my knowledge, FBI can come in if it crosses state borders, serial killers, if they're invited in by somebody. Just like a spirit. Yeah.
And most of my knowledge might come from criminal life. Criminal life. Take that with take my knowledge of the giant grain of salt. Wow.
That's funny. Yeah, our south stuff. Some FBI guys listening to this going, oh my gosh, shut up. Go do your pilates.
That's what I'm talking about. He's gay. Okay. We have anything more we want to add about this?
I found this very interesting. There's some creepy stories out there. I just keep going and going with it. I don't know.
It's something that I've kind of rabbit-hold. But the stories, they have so many commonalities that you can just keep telling stories, but it's kind of the same story because they're so common. Right. Well, and yet there's variations on the theme in lots of ways.
I mean, I did one where it was a brother and a sister that we're out fishing, went to a fishing hole. They got separated. They didn't find the sister for quite a while. The brother finally made his way out of the woods and got home and they asked where his sister in.
He said something like he dropped him off at Le Ants. And they checked with the ant. And he had never been there. Just things going on.
And when they finally got with the sister, they did finally find her like a week later. And these were older, mid-20 kinds of kids, not children. But she was like, yeah, I went into this area and I saw the woods. And it's like I saw these beans.
And it was kind of described as almost big footish. Or you know. Aliens. But they would hide behind the tree or gorilla kind of things.
And you've heard some bears and different things as far as the different entities. The shadow people. There's so many different variations on it. But it's hard because once you've watched a lot of these different stories, they start melding into each other.
And it's hard to keep them straight, although they're all unique in their own way. Right. I agree. And for me, it's like there's just enough commonalities.
And it's like there's something there. We don't know what it is. But there's something. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is there's something.
So you would have children that are small and abducted or whatever whatever's happening to them, telling you stories when they're found, like of the gorilla or the bear. How would a child come up with those types of stories? So it's something. But then when do a gorilla and a bear work together in aliens?