It's mad that for all the people bang on a bit slavery, the only bang on a bit transatlantic slavery that finished 400 years ago was ended by the British. Nobody bangs on about the fact that there's more slaves now in the world than there was 400 years ago with the peak of transatlantic slavery. Leo Kish, welcome to the show. Hello, how you doing?
I'm good man. I'm good. How's the UK? I'm heading back soon.
Where are you now? In Austin, Texas. Oh really? Yeah, I mean the UK is all right.
We've got Omicron going around at the moment. I've got Omicron right now in case you're wondering why I sound kind of blocked up. You're kidding. So everybody's got it.
Like basically, you know, I'm always out doing gigs, doing shows and stuff, doing, I think I might have actually got it. TV studios. I went down and everybody had a cold and Omicron is a cold basically. So I had coronavirus.
I had the original and best first wave of coronavirus back in August and that absolutely floored me. You know what I mean? I wish I got vaccinated. That was bad.
And Omicron, I mean, it's still bad, but it's like a cold. It's not like, you know, it's not like... This is Diet Coke. What is Diet Coke?
Yeah, Diet Coke can play with full fat Coke. So you've got like the big full original hit and then you've got like the new version without caffeine without anything else in. Yeah, which actually makes you fatter because the body thinks it's had sugar and it hasn't. I don't know.
I am. I saw that Omicron seems to be a little bit more transmissible, but far less deadly or something. There's only one person that's died from it so far. Hugely more transmissible, three and a half times more transmissible and COVID was already a very transmissible disease.
So Omicron basically, you know, if you're near somebody's got it, you're probably going to get it except, you know, sometimes you won't. Like my fiance doesn't have it. And yes, it's a lot less. It's kind of flat.
The severity of hospitalizations is kind of flat at about 25 to 30%. Whereas with the original COVID, the severity started off very low for like young people and then rose dramatically for older people. So it was up around 85, 90% for older people. So this one's less of your overall, but slightly more severe for young people, which is great because one of the bad things with coronavirus is like it didn't affect children.
So all these annoying little snouty face brats and run about enjoying themselves. And I think if there's any justice, I mean, I did like how coronavirus went for like the fat and the elderly and the vulnerable. You know, what I couldn't believe was like the Tories, the Tories tried to stop it. Like coronavirus is basically enacting Tory policy or what I've been told to policy is.
And then the Tories try and start like next election, I'm voting for coronavirus. They're doing a much better job at like wiping out like vulnerable people than the Tories are. Yeah, it's so weird because I learned that viruses, they tend to get more lethal, sorry, less lethal over time, but more transmissible. And this is what we're saying, right?
That on micron because killing the host is actually a really rubbish way to reproduce. So that's why Ebola, Ebola doesn't get anywhere because, you know, every day is before they can give it to lethal. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's a strange one. I saw a JK Rowling got herself in bother again, eh? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So she tweeted, because oh yeah, so basically the police in Scotland, Scotland, Scotland's a really weird government at the moment. They're trying to be super woke.
So I think it's because they're propped up by the Green Party. But the SNP, Scotland's government, they're trying to be super woke with all this sort of like, you know, if you look at any adverts for the Scottish government, everything you think Scotland was like the most multi-racial cosmopolitan. Everybody's in a dancing around with beards and makeup and you know, in a two-two-in stuff and Scotland's not like that at all. You've got one black person.
Yeah, it's got literally one black person. It's like Scotland is 96% white. You know, it's bizarre that they're trying to push this image of, you know, like they're a benefit and advert or like, you know, like the universe. Tiny, tiny world.
It's like, yeah. If you look at the SNP, they think that Scotland is like a university prospectus cover. But so that they're trying to bring through all this like woke legislation and usually it's just used by them as a lever to do their dirty work. So, for example, they brought through the hate crime bill and then used, they didn't use the actual bill that used to sort of the emotion or the momentum behind it, to depose when it starts in enemies, when it starts in rivals on the front bench.
Joanna Cherry, she was not tough at the front bench because she was accused of being transphobic. And she's not transphobic. She's a middle-aged lesbian. She's just a nice person.
But you know, anything can be construed as transphobic. It's one of those words, like consombely of which, if you call someone racist or transphobic, it's, you might as well accuse them. Like, I never meet any genuine racists anymore. I used to have been a lifting scot, but like in the 90s they were genuine racists.
Now, it's very hard to find any genuine racists. There's people that say things that can be misconstrued as racism and then that slime is really difficult to get off them. Yeah, absolutely. So, if you're actually someone who races in transphobia, you can destroy them.
But so, J.K. Rowling, police Scotland have changed the law so that if a biological male or a man basically rapes someone, but then says that they're women, police Scotland will be like, yeah, you're a woman, and then they'll be prosecuted and treated as women, sent to women's prison. Even if they're making no effort to look like what we traditionally consider to be a woman. And, you know, obviously there's huge issues with this.
You know, women in prisons are incredibly vulnerable. So, if you send biological males in, then, you know, that's obviously going to cause problems, particularly if that person's already a rapist. And you can see why a rapist would want to go tell women's prison so they can continue raping. And so J.K.
Rowling did a tweet. I mean, you might have it in front of you, but it was quite clever. You know, there was a play on this, Our Wellian Newspeak of what happened on a communism was basically you had to say the opposite of reality was true. And everything you were forced to say the opposite of reality was true, whether it was, you know, things were getting better.
We've all got our food to eat, a Stalin degree leader. You know, you have to chant all this stuff just as you do with woke ideology. Yeah, the tweet from J.K. Rowling was War is Peace, freedom and slavery, ignorance is strength.
The penis individual who raped you as a woman. Yeah. So, I mean, quite a pithy, incisive, clear, you know, you can really see what she says. Obviously, that's the announcement is there, Transphobic.
When it's not Transphobic. I mean, she's not obviously, you know, J.K. Obviously, there's those Transphobes out there. But I think J.K.
Rowling and me, probably you, we recognize that, you know, transgender women and transgender men who really transition and really put the effort and want to live as that gender. And are genuinely, you know, I know transgender women, they're genuinely transgender, they're genuinely women. I see them as women. But if you're just a bloke who's saying that they're transgender, you know, exploiting the self-identification rules to say that they're a woman, it's like, no, you're not.
I don't understand. The thing that I don't understand is that that seems to me to undermine genuine trans people's rights more than criticizing people that do that. You shouldn't want to have your movement and your identity co-opted by people who genuinely don't believe it and just see it as an opportunistic way to move themselves to a different type of prison or to get out of particular types of culpability. Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. It's scary, man. I don't know. I've spent, um, since I've been out here in Austin, I've spent a good bit of time with a girl called Blair White.
Are you familiar with her? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I've spent a good bit of time with Blair, who is a trans woman and fucking hell, man.
Like it's been, it's the first time I've spent a significant amount of time around somebody that's trans. And it's really been, um, like an eye-opener to me because I, it's easy to see her. I mean, have you seen what Blair looks like? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, so she's, she's about as womanly as you're going to get. She looks like someone who's about to step on the love island and it would be impossible to think of her as anything else but a woman. And she is pre-op.
She's not had the downstairs surgery. Um, but I mean, Well, a lot of the trans women don't have the surgery because then you've got like a, there's a one in three chance you'll never orgasm again. No way. Yeah.
It's not a particularly good or successful surgery to have. Okay. I did not that. But dude, there's no way that I couldn't see.
And this is the thing I said is to Michael Malice, I was out with and I'm like, look, dude, is it wrong for me to say that it is so much easier for me to treat Blair like a woman because she looked and acts and sounds and is shaped like a woman? Yeah. No, it's absolutely not wrong. And that's what, you know, all, um, you know, I think there's such a debate over like, you know, what is a woman, when, when does a trans woman become a woman?
And I think there's obviously a hotness rule. There's obviously a hot, like, if you reach a certain level of hotness, you can use the women's toilets. You can use the women's changer rooms. And if you're just like a bloke with a beard and stuff, no, you can't use the women's changer rooms because you're not a woman.
And I'd apply this to biological women as well. So I mean, a lot of the tariffs who are, you know, criticizing me for St. Tranciendo women and women, you know what? I was looking at some of them.
And it's like, you're barely classifiable as a mammal. Like, how can you be sitting there like this dumpy, you're at mid 50s, like, you know, hairy chin, harded and bat-lax. You know, these women are women. It's like, you're not women.
Like, they're way more women than some of these tear-f fucking Ford Mustang outside. I'm like, if anyone wanted to advertise, not only the Blair Whites on his show, but also wear the studio as, like, pull that thing about that. But yeah, man, I mean, she literally even drives like a woman. And it's so, it's been really eye-opening, been really eye-opening to spend some time around somebody who, you know, I think that the first time or one of the times that she did mushrooms, she looked in the mirror and for the first time she saw herself as a woman.
And you think, okay, that somebody who genuinely has a discordance between how they see themselves and how the rest of the world sees them and how they feel inside. And I think that this kind of reframed, you know, born in the wrong body, gender identity, all of this sort of stuff. And yeah, not that I wasn't sympathetic previously, but I'm even more empathetic now, you know, I genuinely see the trials and tribulations of somebody who wants to be something different. And why the fuck, in whose world, how much of a cunt would I need to be to not call her she?
That would need to be a colossal prick to not do that. So, of course, I'm absolutely sweet with that. But on the flip side, like you say, some guy fucking hairy chested 6'3'gai with massive hands and a fucking beat, like, that decides to go and attack somebody and is then just uses a self-identification rule to get out of that. That feels to me like more of an attack on trans rights than saying that that shouldn't be the case.
Exactly. Because that's, I mean, stories like that that tend to make it into the news or into social media. So then everything. So that's what transgender people are.
In reality, most transgender people, I mean, for a start, a lot of them pass a lot of them. What pass them in the street, you wouldn't even know like, Claire, why you met her, you wouldn't know that she's not originally biologically female. So, you know, most of the transgender people, they want to get all of their lives and not have this spot like thrown in them. And it's brought there by basically blokes saying that they're women.
Try and explain. I mean, there's some funny examples. Well, Frank, he's actually from Texas. I don't know if you know him.
He's a comedian. Really funny comedian, a bit crazy. But he's pre-empted all this. About 5 years ago, he basically said he was a woman.
And he started getting lots of work with the BBC and stuff. And he just put a frock on. And that was it. It was really funny.
You turn on Radio 4 and they'll be like, we're here with the female comedian. Start calling himself Sarah Frank and female comedian Sarah Frank. And he'll be like, oh, you're doing, you know what I mean? I remember I booked him for a show.
I showed that around hating life. Really fun show. It's basically improvised hatred based on audience suggestions. Really fun to do.
It was at the end of a fringe. And so he or she Sarah Frank, at the time, he's gone back to being a man now. But Sarah Frank and booked her and she was standing outside smoking a cigarette. And she was like, sort of huddled under the awning.
Because it was raining. And the bounce started. It was a 6 foot 2 bloke in it. And a frock with a wank.
You don't want to smoke a cigarette. The bounce was like, you move away from the entrance, please. And Sarah just turned around. And she's like, you're going to make a lady smoking the rain?
Like, it was funny. I've never seen mine. Fuck man. I don't know.
It's all up in the air. But then JK Rowling's been written out as a fantastic beast, trailer. You see that? That's just got released today.
Man, it's ridiculous. Like, obviously, it's something like JK Rowling. She's got her billions of pounds. She's still making money from the fantastic beast and whatever.
But she's not saying anything. It's particularly horrific. She said stuff. I mean, she said stuff that maybe I wouldn't agree with.
Like, but other people say stuff that I don't agree with. I don't think they should be like, you know, removed from her body of work. Exactly. Yeah.
JK Rowling's name has been downgraded in a trailer promoting the latest film of a fantastic beast series amid a row of views on trans identification. Unlike previous adverts for the franchise, Rowling's name barely features in the two and a half minute trailer for the third installment, Fantastic Beasts, something, something, something. The new trailer opens with a caption Warner Bros invites you while the 2018 film said JK Rowling invites you and credited her with writing and producing her film. Keery Tunk's co-founder of the campaign group, Women's Place UK, told The Daily Telegraph, this attempt to detach a female author from her own creative achievement is astonishing, but is just the latest episode in a long history of women being erased.
So now you have the intersecting groups of concern coming in. Okay, so we're actually more bothered about women and their progress or we're more bothered about protecting trans people and their progress and people that aren't actually trans and are pretending to be. Yeah. It's a difficult one, man.
I don't know how this ends up finishing, but JK Rowling continues to get herself in hot water quite easily. Yeah, just by saying stuff that's fairly pithy and you can see the point she's making and it's like we should be able to make points. We should be able to say that if a man reaps a woman, there's an issue with him saying that he's a woman going to go into a woman's present. It's really obvious truth.
This is a thing that really surprised me about Walkism is how similar it is to communism and that you're not allowed to say really obvious truths. And everybody has to pretend that the lie is the truth. Against the sort of party line, so to speak. I mean, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know, man, especially given the fact that you don't need to have gone through legal changes. You don't need to have shown that you've been transitioning for a period of time. And it's like, fuck, you know what it is, if you haven't done those things and if you rape somebody, like the benefit of the doubt gets to go out of the window. You've sequestered any goodwill from society.
If that happens. And who the fuck's supposed to be defending rapists here? How have we gotten to a situation where rapists are being defended? Yeah, yeah.
But the ideological strength of the trans rights or a certain section of the trans rights movement, I don't think that represents what they speak for a lot of trans people. But the ideological purity overrides any sort of real world questions or anything like that. What about a rapist? It's what I was trying to, India will be who's a trans journalist.
So she called Andy No a Nazi. So I just did a tweet about how the word Nazi has been devalued so much that this gay-bame journalist, son of Vietnamese refugees who exposes corruption and hypocrisy and violence on the left, is deemed a Nazi. And she called it, turned out somebody added to the threads in that Indian Willoughby described him as an Uncle Tom, which is obviously a viciously racist thing to see. And he misgendered India when he said it.
And he was like, you've misgendered me. That was the thing that we should all be paying attention to, not her race. You said Uncle Tom. Yeah, precisely.
Yeah. Dude, my favourite Andy No story is a video that anyone can go and watch on YouTube and it's people, other people being mistaken for Andy No, anti-ferali, have you seen this? Oh, fuck, dude, it is so, you need to do, you need to do a video on this. So there's a guy, Asian dude, walking through a anti-fer like rally thing, people holding placards.
There's a guy holding a camera and shouting at him going, are you fucking Andy No? Fuck you Andy. And then people start going up to him and this dude, he's got a mask on, right? So he comes up to them, takes a mask off and he says, are you being serious?
Like this is the third time that this has happened to me now. And the guys are like, what's, are you're telling me that just because I'm Asian and I look like Andy No, that you're going to be using me from the side of the street and the person that stood next to the guy holding the camera goes, well, it kind of seems like you're doing it on purpose. And he's like doing what's being Asian? Fuck man.
It's amazing. It's so good. But that's the most pejorative thing. Like think about how fucking judgmental that is.
It's so deeply racist. Like there's an Asian guy possibly Andy No, let's get him. What about the government's conversion therapy bill? What's happening there?
Well, I just did a video about it. So basically the government's bringing through this bill to ban conversion therapy, which sounds like a good idea on the face of it because your conversion therapy has involved administering electric shocks to gay people while they watch gay porn, which obviously doesn't start them being gay. It just introduces them to fetish. And yeah, like all kinds of laying on it hands, praying.
Like, Lou, read, Lou read with subject to this. I mean, this only stopped in the, or you know, stopped being administered by the state of by official authorities in the 70s. So it's, you know, relatively recent thing that's not, you know, the old days they did things like transplanting testicles to try and make people straight. You know, crazy.
Like the testicles were the, were the center, the epicenter of the gayness. I guess that's what I thought was it's the epicenter of your sexuality. So that is fucking medieval isn't it? Jesus.
I think even, even the botanies and stuff as well. So it's crazy because homosexuality up until the 60s or the 70s were actually classified as a mental illness. And you know, so obviously it's barbaric. I mean, it still goes on, you know, sometimes particularly with your religious groups and, you know, it's bad.
But what the, what the government's conversion therapy bill does is it also bans, it classifies any sort of treatment for gender dysphoria other than actually transitioning classifies that as conversion therapy. So if you, if you, but a lot of transgender people, especially, you know, children, teenagers, they're presented, they're confused about their sexuality or they've got depression or anxiety or those other things that are affecting it. And between the data we've got the moment says that between 60 and 90% of them will reconcile to the biological gender, the natal gender, if allowed to. But the system we've got the moment is just following them into treatment.
Because the only current procedure which is permitted is to reassign gender. Yeah. So they're put on puberty blockers, which are, you know, they say, oh, this is just to buy time. But it's, it's not, it starts at cascade and they're put into, into a sort of conveyor bill that leads them to, to be given cross-ex hormones and in surgery.
And it happens surprisingly quickly considering this sort of, you know, how dramatic and how your powerful the side effects of some of these things are. So a lot of the drugs of hormones are puberty blockers, they can cause infertility, they can, we can bones, your cause all sorts of problems are also the surgery. You know, if you remove breasts, that's permanent. If you, you know, transition the genitals with surgery, that's permanent causes infertility as well.
So there's a lot of, there's a lot of issues with this, but you know, children, this industry has just started exploded. Just a few years ago, there was just one gender transition clinic in the States and there was over 300. So this huge industry has blown up and they're not allowed to, I start free and honest and open debate around it because academia and medical industry systemically woke. So any questioning of any of this is seen as, as transphobic.
Silence and shut down and any academics that research it. Even if, even if they're, you know, taking a balanced look and being, you know, sympathetic to transgender people, they get, they get denounced and their books are banned and they get thrown out of their universities. So there isn't the data and there isn't the debate and the sort of academic research that is really needed to, you know, to judge what's best. And this bill sort of adds to that by, by outlawing any treatment other than gender, gender reassignment surgery.
Yeah. So what's being implied there is that nobody that could suffer with gender dysphoria would want to not continue with their gender dysphoria. Like if you were to try and reverse that or if someone was to try and stress test your ideas around your own gender identity, that is also now put underneath trying to turn gay people straight again. Yeah.
Yeah. Exactly. This class is the same kind of thing, which is, which is ridiculous and not based on any data. Also, you know, there is really a huge problem with the gender, with, sorry, with conversion therapy in the UK.
We don't have a huge amount of, you know, people administering electric shocks to gay people to try and make them straight. Something that happened in the 60s and isn't happening now. I couldn't believe that that was even like, even slightly still a thing. I mean, when I first saw this and I didn't realize the externalities to people that are suffering with gender dysphoria for their gender identity.
I'm like, what the fuck, what is this? Alan Turing back from the dead to become medically castrated again. It feels so medieval. Yeah.
Well, Alan Turing is a famous victim of conversion therapy. So yeah, chemical castration, I think he chose chemical castration because the option was going to jail for being gay. And obviously, jail is, you know, if you're going to think of a punishment, jail is not where you want to send gay people. They're going to have a great time in there.
Didn't you end up? Well, wasn't it something that you said about some of the conversion therapy things were just putting loads of boys in a room with priests for a couple of weeks? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. The pray the gay way it comes. What about me? It's went to get sent to one.
And it's ridiculous. I mean, like, you know, like, if you take like 200 gay teenage boys and put them at camp together, overseeing by priests, there's not going to be less anal sex. Or that camp. You know what I mean?
So, um, yeah. Pretty stupid. It's the worst conversion therapy of all time. Everyone's just come back really, really skilled.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Fucking. Yeah. Maybe they have maybe it's like your dad catches you smoke in a cigarette and makes you smoke a whole pack. Like, you know, these people come back and become ourselves like a car crash.
So that's how it works. Fuck. Have you heard of black fishing? Do you know what this is?
No. Okay. So Jesse Nelson, former Little Mix singer, addresses music video controversy. Yeah, they see this.
So she's been accused of this has happened to a few people in public. It's time to Louisa Omele and the comedian. So they get accused of appropriating black culture to try and be cooler. Yes.
Which, which really, I mean, it is cooler. Black culture is a fair bit. Like white people, white people culture isn't exactly the coolest thing on the planet. And I don't think that any black person said that it is either stick to your own cool culture.
Former Little Mix singer Jesse Nelson said she never intended to cause a fence after being accused of black fishing in her debut solo track. The singer 30 was criticized by some people in social media for her appearance in the video for boys. Nelson was accused of black fishing, a practice of non-black person trying to appear black but as denied using fake tan. I can't believe that they're like, well, get the jew looks color shout out.
Jesse, have you gone below an 80? Because at that nine, that is not to be used by you at all. Also, Nicki Minaj has got like based over the last couple of months, hasn't she? I haven't seen anything by Nicki Minaj.
But I do know that like if you go to the white cities, like Glasgow, Newcastle as well. Where people are really put on the time, they go to the time in Seoul and you know, Glasgow, man, you think everybody's like in the limper color. It's insane. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I think that another problem isn't just the way that, because you didn't have dreads, it wasn't like, how would you say? Archetypal ancient sort of the commonly held desires of black people and the way that their grandparents would address. It's like wearing a pair of Air Force ones and baggy tracks at the bottom. It's hardly what I see as the crooks of black culture.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. There's no do-rag, there's no fenders or anything. Oh, he was another one actually.
Nelson said she was fortunate to easily tan when in the sun and told Minaj, so she did a lie. I can't believe that you need to go and do an Instagram live with Nicki Minaj to try and rehabilitate your public image. It's all Minaj. That was what you did.
Yeah, pretty much. There is. Somebody had previously commented on her propensity to tan. Okay, so she's gotten alibi to how easily she tan.
She said that her hair is naturally curly after complaints that she had changed her style in the music video. She added, I genuinely didn't think I was doing anything wrong because I've got naturally curly hair. I'm looking at her photo of her and she's ginger and I've never seen a black ginger person. So I mean, if you want justification that she's- I understand why people when they get called out by stuff like this.
Why are you wearing your camera? They'll be like, oh, I tan really easily and I've got natural curly hair. Just come out and say like, mind you're on fucking business. It's like, you know, obviously women always change their hair.
They're like, you're going straight hair. They're going curly hair. They're going straight hair. It doesn't mean that they're calling for the fourth Reich to rise and dominate with Ari and nations.
It's ridiculous. Like you're allowed to make up and change your hair if you want. I don't know. It's the whole idea around now people stop staying in their lane.
You know, actors playing the appropriate role for whatever their gender, sexuality, orientation, background. Disability. Yeah, correct. Yeah, which I mean, I don't know.
What do you stand on that? I think they're actors. They're acting. I think if you narrow the field down, if you say that only transgender people can play transgender roles, number one, you're narrowing the field potential talent down to an incredibly narrow field.
And also you're making it less likely that those stories will get told. So, you know, that's two ways that it's negative for the film and for transgender people. Also, you've had some pretty good actors come out of Scotland. And if they're only permitted to play Scottish people, they're fairly limited.
Yeah, I mean, no one was looking at Killian Murphy when he did Piki Blinders and saying, Excuse me, Killian, can we actually check if you weren't born in Ireland and were from the town of Solihull or whatever instead? That's no one's fact checking him. So, yeah, it's very much particular protected groups that have the problem. Yeah.
I don't know if you can. Absolutely. And anything like that, you know, where particular groups are sort of deified and placed higher than other groups on the sort of oppression pyramid. So, nobody, like a black person wouldn't get in trouble for straightener here.
And a transgender person would get in trouble for playing a woman, like if they're a transgender person, they're probably celebrated for it. So, what I was doing is placing a seed of dissatisfaction in everybody's mind. Why are these people getting treated differently? Why do they get special treatment?
Which obviously isn't good for social cohesion and the rights of everybody in the long run. I saw you have a debate about censorship in comedy, which descended into the history of woman's football. What happened there? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, okay, smartly. Do you know Kate Smartly? No, she's got very sandy, outy neck veins. I noticed that that you managed to cause some serious neck vascularity to happen.
During that debate. That was the main thing I took away from it. Yeah, yeah, it was hilarious. Basically she was on Sunday, it was on G.B.
News, and we're debating freedom of speech in comedy. And she came up with all these bizarre claims. Like she said, she hears racist jokes. Every month she hears racist jokes told by other comedians that gig she's doing.
And like, I don't hear racist jokes. I get most nights and I do working men's clubs and all the rest of it. I do shows in London, I do anything for book for butlins, whatever. I don't hear any racist jokes.
And I'm considered to be a far right Nazi racist homophobe transphobe and all the rest of it. So I think that I'd be put on bills with the racist comedians if they weren't any. I never hear any. I know why I don't hear any because if you told a racist joke on stage at Comedy Club, people wouldn't like it because it's 2021.
And we're performing in front of every time we perform, we're performing in front of a group of people who are just members of the public. So if you say anything that's socially unacceptable, they won't accept it because that's how socially unacceptable works. But yes, Kate said she's doing all these like, they're like, she does. She's a comedian.
She's a comedian. You are kidding me. I could have swung that she was some sort of journalist editor lady. I didn't know that she was a comedian.
Well, I haven't actually gig with her in a comedy club since we did the Jersey Comedy Festival in like 2012 or something. So yeah, it's been like eight or nine years since I've actually performed with her. And so maybe she's not really a comedian. I looked on her gigs list online and there's no gigs booked in.
So I don't know where she's performing that other people are doing racist jokes, but I think she might have been lying. And yes, she said, yeah, the women's football thing. She was saying it was right that Roy Chubby Brown should have been canceled and people were right to write and letters and stuff. So Roy Chubby Brown is due to performance Sheffield.
He's cancelled by Sheffield Council because they said he doesn't reflect the values of Sheffield Council. It's like, yeah, he's not supposed to reflect the values of Sheffield. He's not a mayor. He's a fucking comedian.
I don't want to go and see some like, oh, Council value show. That's in shit. That's in so horrid. I don't want like, man, I used to work in local government and they're also wasteful and boring and shit.
We should just do it with it. Just get like, you know, a small council that like, likes the bins and keeps the roads and good. But yeah, so they canceled Roy Chubby Brown and she was saying it's right. They canceled, canceled them.
And as you're saying, like, I just don't think, you know, like, if you don't want to go see a comedian, if you don't get a comedian's good or funny, just don't go and see them. I did a show, one of my favourite clubs in London, and somebody wrote a letter into the club or wrote an email into the club saying, I keep seeing Leo Kerst's show in July at your venue and it was horrifically offensive and horrible. I came back to see it again in November and it was still horrifically offensive and horrible. Please cancel him from your club.
Instead of canceling me, why don't you stop coming to the show? You know what I mean? Like, it's absolutely ridiculous. I don't even think they're at the show because they said it was like, homophobic and all the rest of it.
I didn't say anything. The club filmed everything because you got to these days to cover yourself. And they reviewed the footage and realised I hadn't said anything to the stuff that was... What do you mean that they need to film everything to cover yourselves?
What's that? So if somebody says, oh, you know, this person says something misogynist, they need to be able to review the footage and see... No way. And that's something that's common practice in the UK?
Yeah, it seems to be, you know, I record everything. Every show that I do, I record the audio, so, you know, my favourite complaints that I've got that is about the picture. No fucking way. That's what people wonder why comedy is becoming incredibly bland and comedians are self-sensoring so much, you know?
That's wild. So how did it get onto women's football? What's that good to do with it? Oh, yeah, so women's football.
I can't really remember. I just said, like, women's football is like... Women's football is shit and... Yeah, I can't even remember.
Oh, yeah, no, that's right. I said, what comedy? What comedy is like women's football? It gets written about a lot in the Guardian bit, shit.
And that wound Kate up, so, you know, I haven't had it once in war saying how it's going to get... Yeah, yeah, yeah. An idea around was it World War II? When...
So she said the reason women's football isn't popular, isn't because it's shit. The reason women's football isn't popular is because she genuinely said this was straight-faces because it became incredibly popular during World War II when all the men were at war get themselves blown up because the patriarchy favour was men. And she said, so women's football, when the men came back from the war, the authorities suppressed women's football. And we're now eating the progeny of that.
That women's football was lambasted in the 40s and 50s and 60s, which has caused us today to have an aversion to watching women play football. But I'm more than happy to watch women's sport if they're good at it. But I watch the game... Yeah, I watch the floor of the Fit.
I watch the Fit, like the volleyball in the Olympics. Correct. But dude, the most sport. I mean football is the most...
It's barely a sport. Volleyball in the Olympics is barely a sport. It's soft-core pawn that gets played before the watershed. Yeah.
I watch the game Cricket, the 100, which was a competition this year. They did a special 100 ball game. And the way that they did it was they had the ladies' game from the same teams and then the men's game straight after each other. So you could go and watch.
And I watched one innings have eight dropped catches. But I could go and see an under-elevens game and not see eight dropped catches. And I'm like, look, I'm all four supporting women's sport. If you can't fucking catch the ball, this is no longer a sport.
Think of the number of dents in the car park. But the halftime sandwiches, just an amazing spread. Well, that's only because you have a high proportion of female cricket as I think to a lesbian. So you've got two really good people in the game.
I remember when I was... When it would be one of the lads that didn't have a partner and it was his turn to make the lunches when we used to play cricket. And it would be him and whoever his housemates were. And it would be the worst spread.
It's quite a good way to do it because he'd never be asked back to do it. You would only ask the people that had female partners. So, yeah, actually, that's what I'm talking about. But yeah, I'm all for supporting women's sport.
If they're good at the sport, you can't force them. That's the thing, though. I mean, sport is pretty much a meritocracy. If somebody wants to watch it, it's not like any promoter is going to be like, ah, no, I'm not going to promote this because it goes against my sexist beliefs.
They want to make money. They want to make money. So they want to put on women's football. If it's going to shift tickets.
But like this Kate smart, wait, have a season ticket for women's football. She doesn't. Swansing down WSC or whatever, yeah. Yeah, people talk it, but they only talk to the top.
You have to fucking good examples. Think about UFC. UFC regularly has female fights as the title fight of the night. Final fight of the night.
And those are unbelievably talented athletes. And I'll happily watch two women smash seven shades of shit out of each other just as happily as I will a man. Like, and I don't care. They're faster, the knockouts are a little bit less powerful, but they're still dope to watch.
Down. Down. But eight drop catches. If all that the girls did was circle each other in the ring and do that thing.
I wouldn't watch it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Fuck.
Did you see the hubbub around this university of Pennsylvania trans swimmer? You see this one? Okay. So.
Because this is trans athletes, that's an area where it does kind of, you know, a lot of the arguments we break down. You've got like Laurel Hubbard, who, you know, transition when she was in her third, she competed as a male athlete previously. So it's like, that's not fair. You know what I mean?
That's not fair. No. I mean, this was. I mean, this was Fallon Fox and UFC, you know, like the women that fought are said, you know, never experienced straight like that.
And obviously, because that's like a man who's like, you know, totally hulked out and stuff. So you got like, you know, going through the impurity, you can face certain advantages to transgendered athletes. You get like, you know, bigger skeleton stronger bone structure, greater muscle mass. It's easier.
Being on a course of testosterone, a high course of testosterone compared with your gender for 35 years and then decided to pivot out. So yeah, it's impossible to stay in steroids for 30 years. And then like, you know, cycled off and said, right, I'm not going to compete. Yeah.
It's impossible to beat a despondent female rival. So swimming against trans leotomis is intimidating and discouraging. Half the teammates spoke out and said, everyone knows it's wrong. She beat her next closest opponent by a full 38 seconds and won pretty much everything.
So basically, she broke two national records when she competed. She competed up until 2019 and then had a little break and come back. There's something, I don't know how you feel about this one. There's something that feels particularly, I really don't know where I stand on the trans women in sports discussion because it is, you do want people to be able to compete in their chosen pursuit and if they're good and so on, but then also, you know that there's this unfair advantage, but then making a trans women only division also doesn't really feel like a particularly good outcome, making them continue to compete with men also doesn't feel like a particular good outcome.
I kind of struggle to see a good way to put it. I put them in the Paralympics and then instead of women getting beaten by 38 seconds, somebody with down syndrome getting beaten by like four hours and 12 minutes. Would that be a good solution? No, we can't do that either.
That's a good suggestion, but I'm not convinced that that's going to work. But there's something that feels particularly egregious about it being college athletes or like kids because you know that at that stage, there's more branches of life open to them, right? There's more paths that they could go down to sponsorships, scholarships, paths to go to university and moving to professional sport and stuff like that. I don't know.
There's something about that. Do you get that sense as well that there's just something like extra unfair about trans athletes in college that are taking spaces from other athletes? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, like the whole thing about athletes is I feel like they've got an unfair advantage through some trick of biology anyway.
So I'm kind of, you know, and also I'm not a feminist. I'm delighted to see women upset that they've been beaten by a biological male. So yeah, I can't really see the downside. It's, you know, like, and you look at also women weightlifters that Laurel Humber was competing against.
They weren't like dainty little like maidens. They're like big ol' lumps as well. I mean, obviously if I was a woman or a, you know, care then I'd think differently. But I genuinely, I genuinely just quite enjoy watching feminists and transgender rights activists tear each other apart on things like that.
I don't know what's going to happen. As you continue rolling forward with the intersecting ideologies of whoever's got the most grievance, it feels like it's got to be a snake that eats its own tail at some point. Do you not think? Yeah, it's already, it's already so convoluted and so, um, it's so communist in the way that ideology works that, you know, JK Rowling, you know, pulls back the current to reveal the lie that, you know, you've got like, so, you know, I, if I said I'm a woman, like, I call them to all these like, walk ideologies, trans rights ideologies, I'm now a woman.
And it's like, well, obviously not. There's a fundamental difference between you and Blai White. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, man.
I don't know how that ends up, how this sort of situation ends up finishing itself because it's going to fragment itself and continue to fracture into so many different groups and subgroups that what's left. Yeah, we're already seeing it happening with the LGBTQ community. So you know, got the LGBT alliance because a lot of lesbian and gay people feel that they're being erased by, you know, quite, quite rightly because if somebody, if a child or, you know, a young person, teenage or whatever presents with gender dysphoria, um, quite often that's because they've got like the same sex attracted and, you know, they're being sort of coached that that's because they're born in the wrong body rather than they're homosexual. And then they're putting the pathway to, you know, this conveyor belt to transition.
And you can see, you know, a lot of lesbians are quite manly, quite rich and a lot of gay guys are quite effeminate. So they'd be the ones being put on the path to transitioning now. I mean, this is actually state policy in Iran, which has got the highest level of, you know, transitioning in the world. But basically being gay in Iran is illegal.
So you've got the choice between, you're going to be gay and quote jail or be killed or you can transition to being a woman and then it's fine. So you've got like, you know, the, the, the state is transitioning thousands of people in Iran. And then what we're seeing now is people went to detransition and reconciled their biological gender. But it's, it's difficult once you've been on, once you've had the puberty blockers and the hormones and the surgery, it's very difficult to untangle that and rework yourself.
So I think, you know, we're storing up problems. This is going to be the litemite of our era. Ten years time, there's going to be so many people who are like, you know, confused 13 year old and were sort of brought into this pathway to transitioning and are going to be absolutely distraught and wanting to detransition. And obviously it's not, you know, I'm not saying everybody is going to be like that for a lot of people.
It's the right, the right thing to do. But they're skipping up everybody and applying, you know, the same, the same treatment to everybody. That's what I'm talking about. The fact that he thinks a lot of gender reassignment for children is rehabilitated, concerned about homosexuality.
It's being, it's rehabilitated homophobia looked at through a different lens that parents don't want. I can't remember who it was. He quotes this guy who said he knew that his little boy was always a girl when he said that he was attracted to guys and he's just so glad that his son isn't mincing about talking to boys anymore. And you're like, exactly.
Pure homophobia. Is no one fucking seeing this? Yeah, yeah. That's basically Iran state policy.
That's the guy's basically channeling the Ayatollah Khomeini right there. Fucking hell man. I don't know. I don't know.
There was a Denver elementary school that put a sign outside advertising families of color, of color playground night. So they'd essentially created a racially segregated play time for equity. They did this a lot. They did it as well.
They did safe spaces for ethnic employees, which the thing with any sort of separation by race is it's separating people by race. Whether you say you're doing it for an altruistic or a positive reason doesn't matter because you're separating by race. And then it gives sort of ammunition or validates anybody who wants to separate people by race for nefarious reasons, for racist reasons. It was a 12 weeks of slave workout that was released.
Was that by Sainsbury's as well? Because being a slave was hard and so is this workout? Yeah, yeah. Remember that?
That was in Sainsbury's. That was a personal trainer. Was it? Then had an internet pylon.
I think it was black. He had his pylon. He just thought it through. But he's a parent.
It is poor marketing. He's thinking with his muscles. If he could think things through, he wouldn't be a personal trainer. You know what I mean?
Getting paid like £12 an hour to help housewives do sell. Obviously it's not going to be the brain of Britain. I don't know. The whole racially segregated thing is kind of a little bit of a weird one because I think one argument that I saw to do with Denver, I don't know much about Denver, apparently not a lot of black people.
So you're finding a way for people to be able to create a community. But it feels like anything that's bureaucratically forced, top down, anything that's dictatorial and not just look if you want to hang together in the schoolyard or after school or when you collect people. Who the fucks the elementary school to say that this is the way that we should exist in the world? It's terrible.
It's drawing attention to racial differences rather than sort of, because I was always brought up, school taught as the race is always skin deep. Obviously, it's not. There's cultural differences and all the rest of it. But we're taught to sort of be friends with each other.
We're in Scotland, so it didn't make any difference. I weren't any black people. But yeah, certainly black friends are still, things are regressing. Things are getting worse.
It used to be that everybody would just hang it together. And now we're having this sort of top down enforced separation of people. And I'd say, Senesbury's, companies are exploiting it and exploiting division. Senesbury's had that terrible tweet that was basically said, anybody's welcome to shop in Senesbury's, no matter what their race.
And if you don't like it, go and shop somewhere else. And it's like, it's fine to say, everybody's welcome to shop in Senesbury's regardless of the race. I'd assume that was the case anyway. I wouldn't assume Senesbury's racist, even though they're owned by the Katari Royals, which run extremely racist country, but genuinely objectively racist regime that actually uses slaves.
And it's mad that for all the people bang on a bit of slavery, the only bang on a bit of transatlantic slavery that finished 400 years ago was ended by the British. Nobody bangs on about the fact that there's more slaves now in the world than there was 400 years ago at the peak of transatlantic slavery. No way. Yeah, China.
So you've got companies like Nike and Apple using the weak of Muslim slaves. So they contract to the Chinese government. The Chinese government has around about a million weaker slaves held in work camps. So basically slave labor, basically concentration camps, but slave labor and they have to work for the Chinese government.
So Nike's get made there. Nike's then sold by Colin Kaepernick as this is, we're standing up for minorities. The most fucked up world, it's great being a comedian now because there's so much stuff to talk about. The 90s, all I could talk about was airline food.
But now there's all this genuinely horrific, you know, fascist thing stuff going on. And Senesbury, yes. Yeah. So Senesbury said, you know, so anybody's welcome to shop in Senesbury's regardless of their color.
And if you don't like it, shop somewhere else, it's like, well, what are the racist supermarkets then? If you're saying, you know, Senesbury's is a non-racetistic. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, you say, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, it's racist?
Like, you know, it's ridiculous. Obviously none of the supermarkets are racist because it's 2021. Fuck. Yeah, there's something that feels quite uncomfortable about a company that is weaponizing social justice, ongoing social justice campaigns in order to monetize, especially when you think, okay, under the underpinnings of this are total bollocks.
You know, if you were using it, if the byproduct of you standing for a cause, which is genuinely just was that maybe you gained some brand equity, whatever, like that's happened since the beginning of time. So creating a fake problem or talking about a non-existent issue in order to then try and commercialize it, that just, it's the stupidity that annoys me the most. Yeah, not absolutely. Absolutely.
And the cynicism. And there's always these companies that are pretending to be, you know, super woken doing it for the right reasons. But obviously it's an advertising campaign. They've run it through focus groups and they've had boards looking at it and stuff and you'll process it and be like, this is the thing that's going to sell us more ice cream.
Like Ben and Jerry's. Ben and Jerry's, they're constantly tweeting, tweeting stuff, tweeting, tweeting, tweeting of views at the government for the treatment of refugees. And then you go to, you know, Ben and Jerry's like, we need to let all the refugees into the country. Then you go to Ben and Jerry's.
They lock doors at the door. So how come you're allowed to enforce that border? Like why is the border around Ben and Jerry's allowed to be enforced? They're all full of nonsense.
And also, you know, by saying that, you know, they say that Ben and Jerry's supported all the rioting and the looting and Black Lives Matter. So you should go and steal Ben and Jerry's. I saw, because I've been out here for a little while, so I missed like all of the run up to Christmas, including the adverts. Wasn't there a kickoff about John Lewis as well?
Wasn't there a fake scandal around the fact that it was a Black family in the John Lewis campaign, which I just thought looked like a nice, it was an average advert, but just a nice family. I would be amazed if there was anything other than a Black family and an advert for another probably about 18 months. And there's certainly no white couples. All the couples have to be interracial.
Yeah. What do you think that's about? Why do you think that's happening? Because of Black Lives Matter.
Obviously, it's the same thing happening in comedy. If you look at TV comedy, it's all, because most comedians are middle-aged white men, bald white men, because it's mostly men that when they do it, the UK's mostly got white people in it. It takes a while to become good at comedy. So the time you get good, you're like 45 or whatever.
So most comedians that are good enough to watch are middle-aged white men. But if you look at TV comedy, it's all fat black women and 22-year-olds. But what do you say to people that say, well, they haven't had their time in the limelight. This is an opportunity for previously marginalized groups to finally get some time on stage?