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42: It's A CLAP!

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Where calls come from, Criminal guest stars, space lobster, "Stop Talking About Comics or I'll Kill You" deconstruction

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Welcome to No Plasters the Clap. I am deaf with me as Doug and we are here So I can go attend a Boulder Ingress outing in March, and we need a cushion episode. Yeah cushion episode We're not really here Internet. Sorry Internet.

The ghost of the future We're that frightening thing from Scrooge. They're gonna get calls from about pants groups from pants groups Calls are coming from inside the house. Doug. Don't know where to move.

I just wanted to see that So we were going to go. Was that the calls are coming from inside the house? Originally in Hitchcock wouldn't surprise me. See now I'm wondering when they were able to start tracing home calls Well Hoover I thought I'd come off a really smart on that one go.

What Jay answer? Yeah, Jay. Yeah, Jen. Yeah, like to sit there in his prom dress listening to people's phone calls Was that Archer?

Jay. I know Hoover was Archer. I don't remember what else she said about it. Yeah It was what nothing So as of today I was getting ready for this and thinking of all the stuff we could talk about which was a lot less than I thought because my rate is empty I had a criminal minds on I on going on throughout the day And so I got to see Diggle from Arrow as a rapist and also Wil Wheaton is a rapist Yes, Wil Wheaton was a kidnapper and a rapist.

Do you think he really liked treasure that moment? What the cool key? No, I mean like being a rapist and kidnapped I think you'd probably like to play against type Doctor Doctor That sounds like your racist against the doctors. It's like 5.30 in the afternoon.

We're not even like laning on the half awake now Doug Well, you know, I mean if you're racist against people that I mean you'd be bigoted against people who abduct. They're not a race So you'd be bigoted against you'd be an abductist. Doesn't that sound like some kind of weird sectives of religion? Mormon.

Sorry, we're abductists. We'd have to talk to you about Jesus. Oh Who abducts your soul? Oh, you made it worse Or better because the one that you walked in on it was Jason Alexander as a kidnapper and a murderer He looked like data from fucking I was a Brett Spiner.

He looked like data He looked like Brett Spiner from Inventon State. He's the crazy scientist. It's been underground. Oh no, fuck that's a Development is can't wait to meet him.

Yeah, but like I said some really exciting things have been happening here in the last couple days really exciting Yeah, well, it's a scientist that have been kept in area 51 for way too long Well, but okay back to Jason Alexander like he looks it's like whoever wrote that episode of Come to the minds is it? saw both saw and the cell and like a weekend and went oh fuck I could do that and then did It's acid. It's oxygen. I mean it's and then they started dividing the people like it's a trap It's carry always gonna soft its foot God damn it's a trap Like a space trip he wasn't us.

He was like a space. I wouldn't say shrimp, but some kind of fish It wasn't a straight well. It was he was gonna be space lobster wasn't it? Which is where I'll be talking about which all been up for weeks talking about Richard the Jedi on on damn Yeah From the past future Past dog not so much.

He's gonna be like fuck. I didn't catch the fucking aca bar It's anytime anybody says it's a trap. It's the only thing I could think of What is it? Robot chicken where you the act of the act of the general act bar is there a little What I said general.

Oh, I'm sorry Admiral act bar and he goes like your taste buds can't Can't repel this magnitude of flavor. Yes, we can't handle this magnitude Your tongue can't repel this man to a flavor and I can't remember the exact way was we can't repel this man to fire Sure, I don't know I saw em players my first movie ever So completely eliminates the effect I've memorized most of the Jedi Something else we've been wanting to discuss for a while and this I have been holding on to this idea in Kind of our own idea dump So addicted to a video game she knew this Saturday off Well, I don't want to see how second-con that one big yeah that we would we've talked about this on the podcast before There's a song called stop talking about comp books or I'll kill you By a band called ukla the mook which is a obscure character from thunder the barbarian admittedly and obscure cartoon it would be a precursor to The other Hercules same 1970s. Oh, I love the Hercules But the same 1970s weird fantasy sci-fi Hanna Barbera stuff which I grew up on loved it once again I This might be an internet character. So I'm wrong on our on our cushion episode But I believe Alex Toth worked on this as well.

I think so who heavily influence Bruce same which I believe influence me So anyway, there's a song that when I originally came across it I couldn't tell you how I came across it, but I'm gonna just go with internet because because internet and because internet and It was funny because the girlfriend at the time's mother Margaret which you should be listening to this um Kind of gave me shit for a living part of the song and you and I had the idea of breaking down the song Well cuz the song starts playing and you and I want to start discussing certain lines of song absolutely especially with kind of my Background being a huge comic nerd. I'm not wearing my new hulk shirt And this effort isn't says Mandarin Monster and I'm like man or fadster No, it was but it's awesome. It's a Bruce Banner with like green hull behind him and it's a very curvy ask which we'll talk about not curvy God who drew from home was that I want to say we're mad at seeing now no no I might have been curvy or we're mad at senior. I'm only going on that one But yeah, love the shirt needed set a couple more pounds.

I'm gonna go on that Jared lead a let out fucking diet Okay Close oh probably okay, but uh he uh only took him looking like 300 calories a day And you probably slept a lot which is what your body doesn't even know calories don't ask me how we know That's true your body watch you go know literally a hibernation Okay, the darkest days of drinking when I wasn't taking in that many calories. That's why my body did it slept for longer to conserve the energy I Yes Well that I would have to like reply as Mordecai the same second exactly exactly Mmm, did you want to play a little bit of this song before we start this? I should listen to a clip at the very end of the episode Because if you didn't listen to several episodes back song rights No vain not Simon Yeah I seem to have Robert Kirkman talking like that Now let's break this down now, okay, when I say logically for the rest of the episode Let's just assume that you know what suspend a certain amount of your disbelief or all of it Like let's not even say some of it all of it The Hulk actually gets stronger the angry he gets the marker Tony and punches them the angry is gonna get now I do think that there's a limit I don't know if it's ever been put on the Hulk, but Superman does have a limited strength now giving me help to move the moon So his strength is significant Andy can breathe in space so it matters on really when you talk about the whole versus man it matters on where they fight Well, that was my whole argument is yet I think that Superman could be the whole thing as he could take the whole into space and the Hulk can really he can find the space as Long as you can hold his breath, but actually doesn't answer Superman I don't really remember that they talked about whether he needs oxygen and this gets into multiple continuities whether you can breathe in space or not Or whether his solar powered cells will just keep him going But I would imagine if he's kept in space not breathing long enough he could keep going but his cells would break down I mean he would exhaust that solar energy But I'd imagine in much less time than the gamma radiated cells of the Hulk so could Superman if you could manage steel I would say in the zero G I did think about what you just said Good the Hulk defeated man. You said he could see for man to beat me on the steel Well now we're just gonna masturbation joke Could he yeah, he beats my do's money slapbox.

I want to change Slapbox when I couldn't own you So could Superman defeat Good Superman defeat the Hulk once again depends on where they're at in a zero G space environment Superman has the advantage also that he can fly so it indicates the lack of gravity Like I said he can fucking fly so I mean there's lots of times where he can say pick up a Hulk and slam him to the ground a few times Just you know maybe get a chance to run away and fight again another day. There's a two member one way from the Hulk on on on an earth-based I'm saying he would play his maneuverability to an advantage Absolutely Absolutely on an earth-based fight. I'm really I'm for strength for strength. I'm not sure and Hulk's a human factor Would probably negate a lot of the damage done by advanced strength and vision.

Mm-hmm. No, I'm not sure of Hulk's physical perception In terms of the five senses, so I'm not sure I mean Superman is super fast Yeah, he races the flash so he can land the hundred punches against the Hulk, but once again the angry Hulk gets So I think on earth-based my call the draw Absolutely, it'd be like spider-man fight the juggernaut. I mean it really would be It's a that's a couple fours versus the global object. It really is yeah, and I'm going to grant more since Superman The only way to solve that is for both the surrender and which neither what assuming they don't have a Comment enemy like like with or Like that's a lot more likely to surrender just to stop destruction absolutely So for the whole tens I had a wilderness so It ends up hanging out in Canada a lot.

Yeah, that's right. I didn't say I didn't say Canadian gaming Ask watch hang it out to help Canada check each other off their feet So the next one is could Logan's clause fierce Steve Rogers shield we've talked about this absolutely done Captain America shield Steve Rogers his shields made up of a military secret steel alloy vibranium and adamantium therefore Wolverines clause could not Pierce it one. It's adamantium cannot cut out of it. I don't care what the guy J movie says Yeah, and that was super heated adamantium on the movie.

I'm you haven't seen the Wolverine yet Well, so there's some super good other man team in play But some stuff happened. Yeah, some stuff happened some other man team stuff weird stuff But stuff but stuff did you like that? But Hashtag there's a many levels on that joke, but the vibranium in a shield would negate any impact So no Wolverine's clause could not cut through Captain America shield despite its impure I quote unquote impurities Melergy impurities with the secrets military seal alloy, which is next to nothing against my brainy man out of it I mean, I've been I was gonna say that's the same thing I've been saying since the first time somebody asked me that question is no you can't I'm sorry God, please read agreement on that one. Yeah, we're got some hardening issues coming up So the next one's a little bit dated actually, but I wanted you to concentrate on it anyways And a line is I couldn't care less if they bring bad craven bottle up Okay, so craven died at the end of cravings last hunt.

I'm gonna try to jump over I'm not I should say jump over but I'm gonna try to skim over some heavy continuity since it's Almost 20 years old no 30 years old Craven thinks he speaks to spider-man Barry some alive takes on his mantle Figures out that he's not as good as a human being as spider-man spider-man escapes the grave comes back defeats Craven turns out cravings dying of I believe cancer then dies going like hey, I did beat you like I'm dying But I do you just you know that one last at you. Yeah You guys they reference him coming back in the 90s it was not met with a great reception then to bring him back into the 2000s with the gauntlets which was actually really good. I really liked that it was a mostly Dan slot written on amazing spider-man But at the time we're they're talking about in this song it's bringing back Raven from Craven's last hunt and I agree I don't care if they bring him back he wasn't a Relevant character that can really do anything with them until you finally have this whole like spider-family versus hunter family thing from the gauntlets in the Late 2000s yeah, so the you know I actually agree I do agree with the song At the time unfortunately do bring up kind of a following point that's gonna take a little less giving Do you care spider-man the club yes, I do yes, I do Did this thing that goes all the way back to the seven days? That the I'm just gonna talk about it like it actually happened that the The jackal ends up cloning spider-man and then it's that clone comes back 20 years later in the 90s.

He's growing up. He's called Ben Rayleigh based on Uncle Ben and at maze surname Yeah, it was Riley and They did this is shake up spider-man. This is in the wake of the death of Superman the breaking of the Batman Hal Jordan going insane which we'll actually talk about a little bit later But how Jordan going fucking nuts and DC shaking up a lot of their big guns and marbles like well We're gonna do it too So you answer marble voice that's my marble voice we got to do it too And they did it with Daredevil and they did it with Spider-Man and they did it with Captain America and the Avengers by any way Specifically Spider-Man they really made a question mark on if Peter Parker was the cloder not and whether Ben Riley was the original and then Peter Parker's like well, you know, I'm really over the soul spider-man thing. I'm paraphrasing.

He said it exactly like that yeah, I'm over the shit and You know, I'm gonna pay my dues and I'm gonna go and raise a family with Mary Jane Parker and And then really you can kind of you know take it the mantle and it's becoming the Scarlet spider who wears a hoodie Because it was the 90s and Yeah, that makes sense Because it's the red hood. It's not the red the red arrow. Yes, yeah And then you know and then you do have really interesting things where you have been Riley facing off against like venom for the first time And this is just six and you're like oh, this is a spider-man who hasn't technically fought these guys yet And these guys are going a way to take like this is a is this a different spider-man or is he an idiot or is this a employee or is he you know and The clone saw that went on for a way too long and be about an actual time about Between two and four years I mean it really dragged it on and there was a separate like a first-glone who was Cain and he was like hunting Ben Riley and Peter Parker To like get his birth right and he had like slightly different spider powers Well, yeah, why wouldn't it was the first one's of course he has to be deformed he seemed perfect You know and then the Jackal comes back and is that the Jackal or is it his clone who's continuing the work like it was a goddamn mess So it's a little convoluted is what you're telling me. Yeah, and if you followed comics in the late 90s to very early 2000s that was what kind of ruined Marvel was these weird I Would say overreaching Comble storylines.

Thanks Chris Claremont. I'll actually name check out this one I know because I mean So many issues that they were like was this game ago? No, no, no, no, no, and nowadays it'd be like no like there's you have a storyline put out and it's finite or they know where they're going with it You don't have this whole equals making money. Let's just keep on going and the writers were at this like a summit and they were like We're gonna keep going going with this and And the editor was like yeah, well, it's like printing money So yeah, you need to keep going that there's gonna be this guy spider and the amazing start of spider in this Spectacular's got a spider and you're gonna have this cane thing and you're gonna have the jackal could be a clone of himself And you know it was when Stacy's gonna come back.

No No, it did work in ultimate, but but in prime continuity it did not I'm glad it didn't So yeah, I mean that was in the comic spoon where they were like well fucking it's still making money just keep writing it That's like that was what we'll drive a franchise into the ground. So that's fucking it's making money. We'll keep doing it It's really comes into spider-man 3 spider-man 3 it's gonna make money Let's just throw all of our shit the fan is film it and that's what my man 3 was It's what it was. I understand you have a fan favorite with venom But for fuck's sake the same it was looked amazing.

I did not like the character arc at all the fact that he's like Sorry, sorry. No, sorry my cane mark other cane mark. It was the young Jugger not a flip mark. Oh flip mark.

Oh is the same man It's a kind of a good guy for a little but anyway So yeah, I was not a huge fan and then the clone war or clone saga rather We talked about affair is one of the reasons why I dropped off of comic books. Yeah, I just like I have done between that and probably issue 30 I can be specific 31 and on of just X mid with It was at the time it started Chris Claremont and Jim Lee Which I love Jim Lee art, but the congruent storylines and the fact that there was no jumping on point for new fans It was horrible Fables was They were really planning yeah real time they were literally planning a war over a year To reclaim our homelands and I could not every month I can forget what Prince charming had planned or that said Oh, it was a sleeper agent or whatever it was and I was like, oh fucking all reading trade Never did and Bill willing him. I fucking love you. I think what you do is great I just think that once again that was the way that you and I kind of differing opinions on what to watch and how to watch it In terms of watching a week to week versus binging that you've talked about wanting to binge a walking dead Which by the time this airs you may be able to binge watch it now It's right for me now because I'm working because of that when I get off the word Spoiler alert zombies no because when I got out of work we will replay the second replay of it because I mean it's on a Sunday night It's why it is low why not but when I got for work It's normally about 10 to 15 minutes into an episode and if I'm sitting there having my after-work shot at cocktail It's on the TV's and the sounds on them like well now I know this is like where's Carl not my house like I said now I'm like well now I know this weird piece of the story so I'm going to be wondering myself the entire time where this puzzle piece Been in Carl's never in the house God damn Carl hashtag.

Well back to our art over our king story. Lolly back issues the flash Stop spending all your cash on back issues. I have actually since I'm not done doing it But this is actually the I think this was the kind of the the kernel the catalyst of the conversation where as I said a Then-girlfriend's mom heard the song and went oh you're living this and what was going on was I was spending I wouldn't say all time I suppose we'll cash on filling out my mark wait run from now mark we came back to the flash but pre 2006 no 2010 TENISH mark we've done this seminal run on the flash in the late 80s early 90s And I loved it. It was bringing Wally West out of the shadow of Barry Allen who wasn't my flash I mean I really kind of missed the very Ellen boat and Wally West wasn't always will be my flash And I was spending a lot of money on filling out my mark wait run Which had some really moments.

Well, would you like to tell me about why specifically? Or because I like why so do you so now it's funny should mention this because I'm gonna talk about one of our other shows Kind of in tandem was that I read a lot of the mark wait stuff in trade and he had done I'm gonna fuck at the order. I already know this internet. I'm gonna fuck the order, but he had done It wasn't dead heat was it dead heat?

Yeah, I know there was a trade he did where It was the one before dead heat I can't remember the name of it on my head But Wally West and he kind of collects a bunch of other speedsters No, he is where he collects all the speed shirts a fight against avatar the self style avatar of speed Can I believe I said that without stuttering or falling over it because that was hard to really close So I believe the book before that Anyway, I can see I can see my head because it's Wally West Headlining on fire as he starts to brush against the speed force But there was a kind of a postface and afterward that mark wait said yes, I wrote this listening to so and forth music I'm writing the next one to the Not seven samurai was the what was the Western version of that? Something yeah, so he goes all writing this to that music and that should give you a hint of what's gonna happen Yeah, he doesn't you know collects the other speedsters a fight the big bad the big bad and It's funny because I actually think about that when I write for us because I can't write some music that doesn't have lyrics It's very distracting I'm singing along or it's just the words that I'm hearing the words on front of right and what I've been writing lately is the Hans Zimmerman Dark Knight and Dartmouth Rice's score Sorry, I was trying to I'm just trying to think it's been so long since I actually sat down and towards myself to write something See sequential and not so much the consciousness I can't write the music with lyrics. I can't do that Well, it's actually funny. I actually meant to say this that I actually wrote a bulk of the second half of the novel to 90 Nils ghosts Very once again very fitting to what was going on and that's part of what once again Mark Wade wrote that little afterward in the public mid 90s, but 20 years later No 10 20 20 years earlier.

It's still in my head and that's I mean I Mark Wade in his I'm not saying his passes hey day. He's not but Mark waits I really do think hey day was a flash and in the early 2000s Empire Which was a great idea. I'm sorry. You didn't get traction.

It's what the bad guy won I strongly recommend fun to trade by the way nobody else and see the face I made on that I made a Hmm face that what if face it's you'll poop your pants reading it's it's it's Mark Wade a very consent KIT SLN once again I'm recommending the dev, but I recommend it to any comic fan out there It's not the empire I mean it's just called people the name of its empire Or in singles I mean it only meant for I think four or five issues and then the zero issue So I think the trade is like the complete series But it's a really similar to another idea. I have my idea dump That's like what if the bad guy won type of thing, but I love to mark way to run on the flash I thought he had a whole bunch of really unique ideas where he had this whole thing about Barry Allen's Once again, we're on like similar genetics But Barry Allen's twin ends up kind of going over to the kind of the dark side of the speed force ends up becoming this thing called cobalt blue And that cobalt's blues legacy much like the flash of legacy through the centuries is to hunt down and kill flashes So you do have once you go back to the sole spider-man gauntlet thing whichever the spiders and hunters I mean I really I believe mark we was actually on spider-man range us Revac Once gonna be skimming over a lot of continuity Basically a son eater enters the world and decides to That's it what eat our son Now what is this a Superman? Oh? Pretty much so it's up to and I believe we have notes about both a green arrow and green lantern Green lantern How Jordan has gone insane?

Killed most of the green lantern core after the obliteration of city through the death's domain series and then Superman comes back well what but Green Lantern comes back reunites the Sun effectively sacrifice himself, which eventually comes back in Jeff John's Greenland rebirth, but it effectively kind of restarts the DC DC universe, which I'm sure you're well aware of that Marvel rarely restarts their universe. No Paradigm shift everything which is it has its good points and its back points I am a bigger fan of restarting just because then you do have less arguments about inconsistencies and stories and characters Yeah, but then you have the argument did the stuff I read ten years ago even fucking matter I'm reading the new 52 and I'm not through the ting-titin stuff because everything I read from the weirdly Jeff John's Ting-titin's like didn't happen and I'm like well, no, but I really like I can still I can still like it Getting older white male I find I don't like change Not after the next variant so I'm great So and this is really interesting because we both like arrow I Candy versus actually been green arrow. I said I can't be I candy at stage the story. I came for the arrows state for the best room Yeah, it's not my fault.

It's his name. Um, so How Jordan's last thing he does before he expects himself in green flame to reignite the Sun is to bring back green arrows body I Unfortunately solace because his soul has gone to heaven or a higher plane is given sense. I say But that leads into arrow coming back green arrow coming back in the early 2000s with the quiver storyline Not quiver. I'm sorry.

That was a bright right now sir But the green arrow coming back and coming back into relevance because really you love arrow But green arrow is not was not a really a truly relevant character after I would say 1989 I mean really after the longbow hunters and and the cross country held Jordan Oliver Queen shit From the Al Adams and Danielle Neil like green arrow wasn't irrelevant character and he's kind of been always under the radar But they brought him back in the justle-slee cartoon as kind of the You know he the character green arrow in the cartoon goes You guys have heat vision and super strength and blah blah blah and you guys are not fucking suddenly overlooking the world Like you're forgetting the little guy. I'm the little guy. I just have a bow and arrow Let's not nitpick but He's he's Bruce we wish sharper, you know veterans really or boxing club arrows, but But in the cartoon he's very he's very grassrootsy and I I He is literally I mean until the day we launched it wasn't Was it one year later? It was the one year later jump That had jumped ahead a year That he was running for Mary everyone was like what the shit Yeah, mayor queen think about that.

Well, that's really similar to what's going on in the show, but His mayor blood would be so much better never trust a man named like God. They said it and I said it before But Felicity smoke was actually from the judd when it taking over from Smith and Meltzer Going into greener. I could go on a green arrow for a lot, but I'm so once again my point on arguing zero our continuity is the same as arguing Zero our continuity on the two continuity Pre-imposed crisis now in their multiple crises. There was crisis of infinity earth.

There was an infinite crisis. There was final crisis I mean It's it's one of those DC have crises and Marvel has wars which I think is very interesting because you have the whole DC will reinvent their universe But Marvel have a war that kind of changes the political landscape or personal landscape of the universe as opposed to relaunching except for where they did the Horrible It was right after onslaught the new universe or something like that It was fucking horrific and Jeff life field drew a cat America boots Yeah Really bad perspective These are full-on tatias This was bad perspective and has lasted for 20 years in my brain I mean, it's it's it's up there cultural penetration wise with the goddamn Batman I mean, it's it's you're in the know and you say Captain America boobs like yeah Well now I'm gonna Google that I'll show it to you Well the next line in the songs about Kirby X-Men vs. DC which Kirby did the X-Men Yay, I mean you put Kirby and X-Men in the same sentence You're gonna get a nerd hard on but they weren't that great and I as the song says I prefer the work you did for DC And I completely agree Kirby doing I don't want to speak on the on the For the band Upla the muk but I would say they're probably referring to the fourth world stuff Yeah, which you have such endearing characters and I do mean that sincerely mr. Miracle And probably the biggest one dark side One of the biggest bands scanning brain and my skating He was a four to four he was the big bad in small bill season 10 which I did not watch I did not watch small bill at all We were talking about this during the break that I've only watched episodes written by Jeff Johnson said the JSA in him But he he literally is like the what is it in Buffy the first evil or whatever it is master No, the master of the first season Last season the final season like the first evil one I could like you could take the first was it the first?

Dark side He is a immortal yeah plain Caleb he dark side is it the immortal God of the Hell planet apocalypse Oh god when you see him show up it's like well There's this great scene in if you've ever seen the last season of Just a single limited There's this great scene where a dark side's brought back from the dead by accident. Thanks. Look look for and there's a scene where Superman is a fighting dark side and Superman has this great Monologue where he says like you know you took out listening for you took out Batman and these are you know he goes These are people that will fight till the end spiritually. I have a different problem.

I have a different drive I live in a world cardboard. I live in world clean eggs And I can't like I can't let go like I can't unleash but with you I can and there's this great probably five minute animation fight scene of the window shattering and this is before Matrix 3 like this is before the big neo Agent Smith fight kind of brought this level of fighting into our consciousness In the mainstream consciousness, but I mean the punches that shatter windows for blocks and I'm gonna go I'd say a different problem. I can't let loose but with you big boy. I can't be fucking oh He brings him to his knees.

That's fucking beautiful But he is on the hunt for the sink called the anti-life equation You don't get bigger bad than one to find something called the anti-life equation Dark side once it turned into a universe. It's a reflection of him a festering wound effectively is what the other heroes say The plot point for this character was that he was immortal But when they figured it out They took him a while to figure out they were I was gonna say some while to figure out how it worked that when they died They would be brought back a specific point and so I'm not so hot spotted. I'm I know you're not okay They brought back a specific point and um His son was also immortal had gotten caught in that same cycle where he would die and get brought back at a certain point But he'd been caught in by an enemy band and was murdered and tortured like Repeatedly for an extended period of time and it broke in his mind So he was immortal and fucking crazy and so the father here to want to uncreate the universe So he put him out of his misery. What are you trying to look up now?

I'm actually looking at the anti-life equation that Grant Morrison wrote Because it is Ridiculously amazing Jim Starlin he came in Here we go. Are you ready? Yes, I'm gonna help out on ruining the internet like dark side did Loneliness plus alienation plus fear plus despair plus self-worth divided by mockery divided by condemnation divided by misunderstanding Times guilt times shame times failure times judgment And equals why where why is hope and and is fully love equals lies life equals death self equals the dark side That sounds like a description of the internet comment boards. That's YouTube commenters.

Thanks great Morrison pretty much All right, they're two more things. They can gay big gay. This album is awful awful. Oh really brutal.

Yeah Earlier Like a rollies like never thought I'm gonna say that loud. I'm gonna say that one. Okay, maybe we'll use it later for personally Like a rollies good The last two we have well one of them is lose your price guide and wizard magazine the line is get rid of your overstreet price guide and wizard magazine and overstreet price guide and comp buyers price guide and which neither which I actually owned I didn't like them. I thought they under Value what was going on but wizard magazine holds a very special place in my heart That it wasn't it started as a comp price guide a girl garib shames, but Evolved into kind of a pop culture magazine Which I've shown you pictures that we've talked about on the podcast before yeah The space goes for no we didn't talk about the space goes versus the tech But I should that picture show me that picture that I need at least that to a friend did you really yeah, and then glee and What was the name of the fucking monkey super friends?

Beep beep oh maybe Or blit blit it was a glee can blip the monkey from Space Ghost and the monkey from super friends fighting it out in a Room full of other horrible things yeah, so I'm googled that because we are not going to do justice But there may be some very aggressive hitting on from Batman a little Latrissness from jakes from Space Ghost Nice Last line we have last when we have here is the end of the song where the lead singer says but please get the new invisibles for me Which we talked about before this we recorded you said you recommend the invisible to anyone anyone that had basic knowledge of comics that hadn't read it Not even comics. I think that If you love be poetry if you love metaphysics if you liked even going deeper into comics if you liked Alan Morse from media You will love the invisibles. I am a huge fan of it It influenced me personally to the fact that I am End up studying a voodoo and I ended up initiating to the second level. I do actually I do actually see me rolling my eyes.

I do actually have a picture of Lola fuck off I Metaphysical Really shaped I wouldn't take shape my reality, but kind of shook my idea reality a little bit In terms of the nasa Christian hologram theory You know psychic warfare, I mean it just it just it just the whole the minute where I'll put this I'll put it this way when Mason Lang is two things with me so one where He goes. Yeah, I really want to change. I don't know if it's that easy and then King Mob blows up his mansion goes That is it nice and smooth as as I quote in one of our other shows And obviously a huge influence, but there's a really great scene where they're talking about the matrix Now it was a matrix or not, but there's this great scene where a great line where mace and link says every scene is a sex scene Absolutely, and it doesn't matter if it's verbal emotional physical every scene is a sexy and That line has permeated my My psychology. Yeah, yeah Through and through I mean I was talking about how I go back every year and rereading visible and catch something new as I mean just the first book I bought was in the middle of the second series which I should not have done But it was kissing mr.

Quimper who which has a ragged Robin in S&M carrying a weird alien second midget on her back in Similar S&M gear and it was just one of those like I'm gonna get that and apocalyptic just based on name But then you get into a revolution in America And Counting to none. I mean it's just a fantastic series So I do love it at the very end of the guy the singer kind of comes out so to speak and says you know Oh, what's spider-man Raven fuck, you know the man of steel and hollow? But please get the new invisible for me when you go to the comic store Absolutely You have superhero comics and then you have other comics this goes back now. We'll kind of wrap up on this I think but when I worked at my line comics we had the rule We were not allowed to talk about who'd been in the fight.

We refused to be those comp nerds That's probably smart. I can imagine that would just make you guys would be just those guys the only time we knew who would win a fight It's what we play here Oh, that's when you know that the unique Hulk might have been better than the you know experience level Thor But um, we're Superman if you want to stay topical on this, but we refuse to Talk about who wouldn't the fight yet the comics that we were recommending people were If you want to go early enough, you know, you have stuff like watchmen in dark night I mean you have the kind of one at once but we have preacher and which wasn't over yet. We're still going when I work there Yeah, preacher the invisible's Grandmoor since Doom Patrol Transmatt was huge with a few of us I still remember when I walked in and Chris goes you do know you're on the cover of the new transmitter Anyway, I'm sorry what he goes I'm sorry here you go enhance me a copy and I'll see if I can find the cover to show you have you seen that It's work is taken from my life so my comics have been suffering Warning jin-ha might have gotten together on uh my my my space picture on that one My space so to wrap up we would like to play you a little bit of this so Just a couple minutes Because we can't afford the rights. Yeah, and if I have the ability we'll throw link on items.

I'm sorry on our website Um, probably not but uh, thanks for putting up with Deborah going to play ingress And thanks for putting up with talking about comic books for Almost an hour. Um, I almost had good night internet, which is not the sign off No, no, that's not so um, enjoy your burrito New new new new Um, I don't have anymore for you. I'm sorry. You made it weird Doug.

No, that's a different show too Siri Let's see what she says Siri sign off Siri give me a sign off Is This has been a blood alcohol content network production executive producers dev barnett and doug nikber You can find us at ww.vacn podcast.com and bacn podcast on facebook and twitter Thank you for listening to the vacn you're home for almost bacon and back up

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