#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity

Elon Musk is CEO of Neuralink, SpaceX, Tesla, xAI, and CTO of X. DJ Seo is COO & President of Neuralink. Matthew MacDougall is Head Neurosurgeon at Neuralink. Bliss Chapman is Brain Interface Software Lead at Neuralink. Noland Arbaugh is the first human to have a Neuralink device implanted in his brain. Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-and-neuralink-team-transcript Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep438-sc SPONSOR DETAILS: – Cloaked: https://cloaked.com/lex and use code LexPod to get 25% off – MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/lexpod to get 15% off – Notion: https://notion.com/lex – LMNT: https://drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack – Motific: https://motific.ai – BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off CONTACT LEX: Feedback – give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey AMA – submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama Hiring – join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring Other – other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact EPISODE LINKS: Neuralink’s X: https://x.com/neuralink Neuralink’s Website: https://neuralink.com/ Elon’s X: https://x.com/elonmusk DJ’s X: https://x.com/djseo_ Matthew’s X: https://x.com/matthewmacdoug4 Bliss’s X: https://x.com/chapman_bliss Noland’s X: https://x.com/ModdedQuad xAI: https://x.com/xai Tesla: https://x.com/tesla Tesla Optimus: https://x.com/tesla_optimus Tesla AI: https://x.com/Tesla_AI PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (09:26) – Elon Musk (12:42) – Telepathy (19:22) – Power of human mind (23:49) – Future of Neuralink (29:04) – Ayahuasca (38:33) – Merging with AI (43:21) – xAI (45:34) – Optimus (52:24) – Elon’s approach to problem-solving (1:09:59) – History and geopolitics (1:14:30) – Lessons of history (1:18:49) – Collapse of empires (1:26:32) – Time (1:29:14) – Aliens and curiosity (1:36:48) – DJ Seo (1:44:57) – Neural dust (1:51:40) – History of brain–computer interface (1:59:44) – Biophysics of neural interfaces (2:10:12) – How Neuralink works (2:16:03) – Lex with Neuralink implant (2:36:01) – Digital telepathy (2:47:03) – Retracted threads (2:52:38) – Vertical integration (2:59:32) – Safety (3:09:27) – Upgrades (3:18:30) – Future capabilities (3:47:46) – Matthew MacDougall (3:53:35) – Neuroscience (4:00:44) – Neurosurgery (4:11:48) – Neuralink surgery (4:30:57) – Brain surgery details (4:46:40) – Implanting Neuralink on self (5:02:34) – Life and death (5:11:54) – Consciousness (5:14:48) – Bliss Chapman (5:28:04) – Neural signal (5:34:56) – Latency (5:39:36) – Neuralink app (5:44:17) – Intention vs action (5:55:31) – Calibration (6:05:03) – Webgrid (6:28:05) – Neural decoder (6:48:40) – Future improvements (6:57:36) – Noland Arbaugh (6:57:45) – Becoming paralyzed (7:11:20) – First Neuralink human participant (7:15:21) – Day of surgery (7:33:08) – Moving mouse with brain (7:58:27) – Webgrid (8:06:28) – Retracted threads (8:14:53) – App improvements (8:21:38) – Gaming (8:32:36) – Future Neuralink capabilities (8:35:31) – Controlling Optimus robot (8:39:53) – God (8:41:58) – Hope