438: Jamie Feldman and Rachel Webster and Debt Heads

Rachel Webster! Jamie Feldman! Podcast hosts! Writers! Friends! Delights! More! Rachel and Jamie are the creators and co-hosts of the show Debt Heads, a multi-award-winning narrative podcast. In their words it is "a true crime investigation into the systematic murder of our bank accounts, the violent myths that have robbed us of our imagination, and the prison break we're planning." In March, Feldman and Webster won a coveted Ambie Award for Best Indie Hosts (Ambies Speech), and the Gold Signal Award for Best Indie Podcast & Best New Podcast. Debt Heads topped many "best of" lists for 2025 including: The Atlantic's 20 Best Podcasts of the Year, Apple's Best So Far, as well as Lifehacker's 20 Most Essential Podcasts and Hark Audio's Best of 2025. They've been featured on All of It with Alison Stewart, Marketplace and NBC Nightly News.  Season 1 introduced us to the co-hosts' personal lives, their secret feelings of financial "failure", and interrogated the ways that our economy thrives on consumer debt. On June 25th, they published six new episodes that continue the consumer debt story by investigating the other side of personal finance -- the labor market. Layoffs, the gig economy, navigating the chaos of modern adulthood while trying to make a living -- the Millennial Dreams of self actualization in the workplace have turned into a nightmare so fierce that we have no choice but to begin to imagine a new way to live. In the final episode of the season, Jamie and Rachel come full circle with one final question: What is debt, really? And who is actually in debt to whom?  And now they're HERE! We had a great chat. You can have a great listen. And this is only the first HALF of our conversation. For part two, subscribe via Apple Podcasts OR merely click on over here to Patreon! Enjoy!