#44: Don't You Forget About Me

Frozen lasagna medium power 15 minutes sounds like oh Joe time let's play I Sacred symbols a PlayStation podcast is a cast box original produced in partnership with our friends at studio 71 Cast box is the fastest growing highest rated podcast app on both iOS and Android and all of your favorite podcasts are there right for the downloading Sacred symbols is available wherever you get your podcast of course, but we hope you'll give cast box a shot We think it's pretty red to get each episode of sacred symbols three days before the public completely ad-free Please consider supporting the show on patreon at patreon.com slash Collins last and perks for support include not only getting the show early and add free You can also gain access a monthly exclusive podcast and supporting on patreon is the only way to get your listener mail right on the air and much more Plus supporting sacred symbols on patreon also nets you perks for other con's last and shows automatically including the nostalgia and retro podcast Knockback the YouTube series dedicated to gaming calls side quests and the eclectic interview podcast fireside jets Thank you for your generosity kindness and support without you sacred symbols and all things Collins last and would not exist But enough of that on to the show Greetings and citations welcome back to sacred symbols a PlayStation podcast. This is episode 44. My name is column where you're I'm joined as always by three-time defending world snooker champion Chris rayon snooker snooker snooker man This is created quite a star has it with our British audience with our wood and figured it might they're just not pleased about it They don't like facts. They clearly don't like the English language.

Have you heard them speak lately We probably should let them let them off the look for now. Yeah for now. Not forever. But not forever We'll be back to that Chris.

How are you today? I'm okay? I got a correction over here in an uber. Yeah, you told me that was cool me and well You're okay.

Yeah, it was fine. It was like a minor thing But like it was weird because I never thought about the etiquette of being in a car accident in an uber or like a taxi I never thought about that never happened. Yeah, it's never happened to me You're surprisingly yeah, I just kind of left I just walked out and got another one I think that's what you got to do after a while maybe you bear witness in some way if you need to yeah I would rather just kind of get I just kind of settled away What will be interesting is that these two have a dispute and you end up getting called to settle this view because you witnessed oh? Well, let's hope to Christ that doesn't occur.

Yeah, you know because you were saying that you think it's the your driver's fault I'm I think so right well. I'm glad you're okay. I'm glad you're in one piece Did you always have that scar on your neck was that always there? There's a scar on your neck, right?

No, no, I had a good weekend. Oh, okay. I was gonna say did you have all right? Well, we'll just go that one go Chris wait a minute.

We're saying let me see it Alright, so what is it? Oh fair enough alright? I didn't read okay? What is it?

44 or we'll just yeah, I'm a 44 snooker now Chris yeah, we have a ton to get through today We do the ton I want to first to say that days gone by the time you hear this whether you're hearing this on patreon or free It's out you can buy it. It's the big PlayStation for exclusive of the moment now We're gonna do a full review discussion and spoiler cast discussion about this game And so I'm gonna simply refer to you to that it'll go live a few days after this goes live Yeah, it will go live first on patreon and then it will go live later for the public feet I just want to take a like an hour or so to days gone. I don't want to bog down this episode days I'm just a shit on the news. Yeah, needless to say I guess we can tell people what we think just you know impressions wise as they wait I like the game a lot.

I don't think it's great and I think you need to blame Sony a lot for letting it out too early because it was It was a lot of patches that happened and it was kind of jarring for sure right So I think like when you see the game spot giving it a five It's like well did they play like patch 1.01 or 1.02 because then that's a maybe an accurate score Yeah, I you said that you liked it the more you played it I had the exact opposite in relationship with it I liked it immediately and then was immediately like consistently kind of just bogged down by it. I'm excited to talk about it I'm so excited about that So we're gonna record that right after this but we'll put that up in a few days for you I do have a video review up for days gone on my youtube channel You can go check that out as well as about 15 minutes long you want to see some footage and some like long thoughts about that We're gonna get really into it in the days gone episode and again remember We wanted to dedicate episodes to specific games when we can I think Sekiro would have been a really great target But I just wasn't able to play it and so we'll continue to keep our eye out for whatever we can do this more I like the special treatment we did it for red dead we did it for spider-man I'm sure we'll do it for all the major exclusives for sure Yeah, but we'll see if we can work in some other games as well The other two things that I want to talk about are somewhat substantial Remember last week that I told you about an initiative I'm doing about mental illness with a company called Charlie Cohen And they're giving away or basically selling patches the money goes back into this initiative called shades of blue that they're doing You can go to my patreon You do not have to be a member to be there you can go read up on this write up that I did about it It links out to buying the patch it links out to this interview I did about my own mental illnesses and my own tribulations and all that they're raising money for a good cause they reached out to me today And thanked me for that and said that they're seeing good responses So we appreciate you the patch will only be available until like the end of the first week of May So go support a good cause you can and we appreciate you there and the other thing I want to point to before we get into the really big news Yeah, is that there is a golden week sale going on on PSN I usually don't point these out because the sales are so ephemeral and so short But this golden week sale celebrating golden week in Japan which is basically like a holiday celebration over there where everyone's off It's it's cool It's all Japanese games for PS4 PS3 and Vida tons of games and it lasts for a while So you can really stockpile if you're looking for JRVJs or Japanese action games Whatever the case might be definitely check out the golden week is in sale, but Chris the big news Mm-hmm is that sacred symbols merchandise is finally ready to go? Oh, would you look at that now? I'm coupling with Studio 71 on this studio 71 for people that don't know is it basically a multi-channel network They're actually my representatives on YouTube and other ones that sell ads on the show on the free feed John Carl's a buddy of mine over there.

He's one of their VPs He helped us basically when kind of funny my old company launched and I've always really liked him and trusted him He was actually a writer for the WWE for a long time really interesting hat And so he'd help me put this all together The merchandise is so we're gonna do it a little bit differently for those that remember the last wave of merchandise that we did I did it to a company called Declaration Which was owned by a good buddy of mine Ken and the quality was very high and he was really great But he just got out of the business and want to do it anymore So that wasn't an option and so I looked around and John Carl and I decided together So if you go to tiny URL calm Slash sacred shirts tiny URL calm T. I and why URL calm slash sacred shirts SACREB S-I-R-T-S That will bring you to the storefront where you can buy your sacred symbol shirt and also you're not back shirt your fireside Chat shirt your countless answer the cool thing about this is that I decided to go print on demand to give people more options This will give me less revenue, but I don't really care I'm more doing this for the fans Yeah And so you can like get the logo on like a black shirt or a Heather Gray shirt or a white shirt whatever the case might be you can customize all of that and Well, I'm really excited about this too We use American apparel merch and it's printed in America the shirts are made in America all that I originally said that I think Everything was sourced in America That can't be true because American apparel does get caught in overseas So I am mistaken on that but otherwise we've manufactured everything ship everything all that from the United States to support American Manufacturer as well. Hell yeah, dude. So go check out the shirts Please give me your feedback because the cool thing about these shirts because they're not pre-printed is that we can make like really Minor tweaks like if you guys get the shirts and you're like, ah, maybe the next time I'd like the logo an inch higher or something like that We can we can make that happen on the next round of shirts and we're gonna work on posters and stickers as well in the future It's good about print on the man in general.

Yeah, lower margins, but that's okay I don't really care We do just fine and this is a cool way to kind of support our show now I do want to say something else Chris and I'm excited about this because I know that a lot of the audience You know doesn't have a lot of money a lot of disposable income a lot of people listen to the show for free and $30 shirts a lot of money Yeah, right and the reason I did so expensive again is because the American manufacturer I could have gone with like Columbia and urban as well and shirts or something and they got it for like 18 bucks We're not doing that but I know that that's expensive That's a lot of ask for some people and so what I'm gonna do as well is I'm gonna make available Two thousand by two thousand high-res pixel versions of all the logos that I gave to the shirt company and you can make your own So I'm gonna put those up on the patreon as well So you go to tiny URL comm slash sacred shirts. I'm gonna go on patreon and go there and check it out I'm gonna post everything there. I'm gonna put the logos there I simply ask that you don't sell your shirts or give them away But if you want to make your own and you want to save a few dollars I'm gonna like that idea. I'm gonna allow that so there you go the shirts have arrived look at all that huh Chris Ben wrote Into us on patreon and remember you can support your show on patreon.com slash Collins last Dan if you do you get special perks like exclusive podcasts early Adfree access to every episode of this show any ability to submit your questions comments concerns lost and ideas just like our friend Ben did the hell is Ben saying Ben says colony Chris my wife and I had our first kid William for months ago And in the last five weeks I've been driving him to daycare each morning He's a bit of a custom the morning I wonder if he means fuss because might be something I don't know what that means and cries on but I kid you not on Wednesdays When I put on sacred symbols and Collins voice comes on he simmers right down and it's a more quiet car ride when he first heard Chris's voice he woke up and pooped his pants so the jury's still out there.

Thanks for the great show and the fun over the last however many episodes You guys are awesome. Well, then that's awesome Congratulations on your child. I do regret to inform you that we are now going to adopt the child and his name is now Colin Oh, you can have that that's fine. I can still take care of him But we're gonna we're gonna spiritually adopt the child and his name is now Colin good Lord Jeff wrote into us This is Jeff with a GI we love this when I was a kid There was a player hockey player on the Vancouver Canucks called Jeff Sanderson and I used to call him G.

Off Sanderson for like When I was like you know eight nine years old and someone was like are you fucking calling Jeff G. Off? Yeah, because you're a dad you're a daft child. Maybe it Jeff says Chris.

Do you think you keep getting sick because you slept through your own apartment's fumigation? It is true. You slept in your It wasn't it wasn't like a proper fumigation. They didn't gas the apartment All right, it was just like they go into the kitchen and they sprayed the corners of the kitchen together Rocha's out by the way, Rocha's are gone for now.

They're done. No, they're gone straight up. So we did it We successfully murdered every single one of them. How long that lasts.

I don't know but for now it's pretty good It's like a real-time strategy. Yeah, but no they came over and I was just dead asleep in my room They didn't bother to open the door because why would they do not fumigating in there? So I exaggerated been said like I slept through a few engagements. Well, that's true.

It's not false It would be funny if they walked in with their little backpacks, right? Yeah, just right in the court. Yeah, this radio just walked out that would explain a lot But I guess that isn't that couldn't possibly be answered sadly. No, my life's not that interesting We'll have a lot of us and say hey, I'll do it very well now I have a very important question here and I want you I want to hear your guys thoughts What's your stance on going the Japanese and Chinese restaurants or any other Asian cuisine perhaps and getting one can of coke and Sipping in a glass with ice and the tiny straw they give you I feel like every time I go to a sushi restaurant They always do this and you don't get refills on soda They give you a tiny glass with too much ice and a lukewarm can of coke a pour in it.

Have you two ever experienced this? It's a madness. Just let me have a refill I hope it satisfies a random inquiry for this episode. Thanks for all the great content Have you ever noticed Chris that when you go to a Chinese restaurant like back in New York for instance?

You go get why is it that Asian restaurants always seem to have cans of coke? It is strange. It is really weird. I've never had it because I don't like coke So I've avoided so for a long time, but I'm aware of that weird thing right But it does seem like a psychotic fever dream that you would write about this like it keeps you awake at night My theory about this Chris is that because Chinese was and probably still is so in you know It revolves so much around delivery that is probably easiest for another grab the cans and then go out right as opposed to like That's really yeah, you assume it probably comes out But that's true like in San Francisco in LA and over New York when I go to Chinese restaurant I love eating Chinese out in New York and the Chinese here's kind of bad yeah But I don't know if I've ever had a fountain soda in an Asian restaurant before I'm just you know just straight up Yeah, I don't think I have either.

I don't know why that is very interesting. I'm gonna say a really nice like dim sum place It's not like that. Yeah, very interesting. We'll get some sleep.

Don't let this keep you up too much Chris Let's go in to what we're playing. Let's do it Or John Ben Jaminson, this is the time I think this is a Norwegian name or something like that like a Norse god He says hey Chris. Have you finished secro? There's so what is your verdict?

I have it. I'm really close though I know I'm close because my roommates finished it because he doesn't he doesn't do anything but play it But I love it. I think it's honestly I think my game of the year so far I don't know what else to say about it I've talked to death about it at this point, but it's great I'm consistently engaged by it. There are points where it's frustrating like pretty much any game I give it by a shock as those moments for me, but like I I really like it.

It's a it's a truly is a feat I'm looking forward to getting to it like what I want to do my plan of action who knows what's gonna happen right? My plan of action is I like the platinum the Phoenix Rike election. I got a platinum day is gone That's that's real close. I'm like 81% of the trophies now So I'm pretty close there and I've all the gold so I think I did all the hard stuff But I want to plan a Phoenix Rike election and then I'm gonna play the original Borderlands That's kind of been marinating and by the way the day's gone music kind of give you borderlands vibes in the game I don't know anyone out there hears me on this.

No thinking about the game That's a weird compare Well, I've actually kind of been playing with you in tandem I've been playing a little bit of the the borderlands really release in the middle of days gone, but like I I didn't notice a Particularly big similarity. I didn't like the music in days gone though I did only notice that when I was playing on headphones because sometimes we do the two TV tandem out there Yeah, he's on whatever you know, it's the hockey playoffs It's a big islander down in their series to nothing so there might not even be an episode 45 So I might have killed myself Alright, so Sekiro that's on my list really want to get to it so excited that people enjoy it and the game's doing really well I haven't personally played anything other than days gone. I've really played for 50 hours or so Did you play you mentioned borderlands? But have you ventured down any other paths that are worth noting before we move on?

Now just days gone. Okay, I've had a lot of time and I'm like crazy. Yeah, you put up two videos I think in the last year. Yeah, I'm trying to get one out tomorrow.

Well, it'll be good. Hopefully I can get it I gotta be honest with you Chris. You're one of the only people I interact with on Twitter I like to interact with you and want to be the most one bunties bunty keeps tweeting out video games And so I keep asking him like really philosophical questions about every time he tweets it out It's really so fun little gag. We got going on it I don't know if you know he's part of the gag but the fun little gag nonetheless But I noticed that when you put up your videos I didn't someone was busting your balls and like quote tweeting you and making fun you I like that And so and so I felt like a very protective mother-hand kind of thing Oh, yeah, I want to put you under my wing I wanted to kind of bring it bring it closer to me and protect you and so I tweeted at him a picture of Ross from friends Look at this guy, you know that right and it got retweeted and like that in more than his original post I look at that.

I didn't know shit. I don't know I assume that happens a lot. I don't pay attention to it. Yeah, so many people who like me exactly I like attention to that's a good point and I just like seeing my friends mistreated fair seems like everyone was perfectly fine with watching me Be mistreated, but I personally don't like when others are mistreated as well.

So yeah, again We are playing days gone days gone episode will go into that as well, but Chris is getting into the news because it's really time There's a lot. Yeah, okay, I think we might go through this somewhat quickly But pretty big news for us to talk about yeah, yeah, number one Sony has revealed new PlayStation 4 sales figures as well as more interesting information in its quarterly and annual financial reports for Sardars PS4 has surpassed 96.8 million units sold worldwide as of the end of March 2019 as the end of March also marked the end of Sony's Financial Year as a company they reported yearly sales of 17.8 million PS4s, which is down year over year Albeit in minor excess of Sony's internal projections I'm identified a statement in the greater Sony financial paperwork that money from PlayStation's quote highly profitable first party software Titles I quote is expected to decrease during this clear which all confirms that we're not going to get a repeat of lectures God of War Detroit Spider-Man tri-factor and in line with that overall revenue for Sony's game division is expected to climb year over year However, Sony's annual profit for the year was the highest ever reported by the company even as it projects a softer 2019 as the company relies heavily on PlayStation for expected revenue and SPS4 hardware and software sales are expected to decline alongside increased money spent on the next Project Sony appropriately said expectations a year out that things could be a little rough moving forward the Wall Street Journal Meanwhile notes that since the financial zone indicate any plan of marketing spending for the fiscal year ending in March of 2020 You shouldn't expect yes, I'm anywhere even close to or around that date, which makes sense So there's a lot to unpack here. Yeah, first of all 96.8 million PS4 sold So it should reach a hundred million by the summer and pass PS1 and we by the end of the summer I assume That's insane, which is really really interesting. How many PS4s do you own?

I have how many do I own or how many are in my apartment? Yeah, how many have you bought I I had I think three I had a normal one then I had a pro and then I got this Spider-Man Pro And how many are in your apartment? Oh my god? There's probably one of the living room.

There's this one for each of us and then I have two so it's about like five five six I think there's a slim one lying around somewhere. I have four it's ridiculous amount So we're contributing more to this number but generally speaking everyone gets one PS4 those are really impressive numbers Yeah, and you know congratulations to Sony on that 70. million PS4 sold for the year is soft but actually an excess like I said of their internal expectations But they expect that number to go down the interesting thing here is because they don't expect a profitable first party lineup Throughout the year days gone will count in the fiscal year dreams will also count but it indicates that we might not get anything else Maybe I don't I don't know until March of next year The last of us will be bigger than any of the games that were released last year and I don't think goes to Shima Will so you would assume if they expected a bump or kind of an equal profit from first party software we get something similar Yeah, so this to me indicates that these games are further out than we think that's kind of wild So we'll see what happens I really nice both in the Wall Street Journal noting that marketing spending will be flat for The year there's no way that they would market the console therefore so really interesting stuff if you know how to dive into these financial reports Which I don't that's not sure I can do it a little bit number two Sony Benz along the way the days gone Just came out and it did so alongside word that free DLC will begin rolling out for the game in June at that time survival difficulty Which makes the game extremely hard removing fast travel certain HUD indicators and more will be available for free download and weekly tests in the bike Pored and combat categories will also launch so you guys have some in addition all the patches you'll be downloading for days Gone over there five of them already Lord you'll now be able to download these new free perks as well No word yet on if days gone is gonna get like some sort of expansion which would be kind of cool They've been doing that they did that with horizon with the frozen wilds did that with infamous with first light They did that you know so why not play the frozen wilds. No, I played first light but not frozen wilds.

I did too. I did too That was during my high gaming high-end so I never got a chance to play number three at the trico film festival in New York City Hideo Kojima reportedly discussed his upcoming mysterious PS works exclusive death straining in some detail according to IGN We already knew from previous Kojima hints that the game stressed some sort of inner connectivity and he confirmed that again While also confirming what kind of game it really is that it's core quote. It's an open-world action game But it's really something new there are so many things happening in the real world in America in Europe Everything is actually connected by the internet but in a way we're not connected in the real world these days I'm putting that as a metaphor in the game the player will have to reconnect the world in the game You're very alone there solitude, but you're trying to connect the story and the gameplay the key word is connection There are so many things in between of course with the key is connection Quote he later said quote you're connecting the game and everyone is playing it together and you'll be connected everyone will be connected together as well I can't say anything because Sony will be very unhappy. I don't want to be disconnected from Sony and connecting I know that stranding under development of code You productions in Japan is due out for PlayStation 4 at an unconfirmed time in the future I wonder if I confirms like a weird kind of multiplayer kind of meta type deal going on Yeah, I don't know I hope not like it does seem like you'll be able to see other people in the world and somehow what they do will affect you But I'm still hoping that it's like a largely a single player experience that simply has a meta game in it Yeah, which seems like something he would make he doesn't So we'll see I'm actually you know I know a lot of people are joking around and I'm joking about that stranding in the past It's was announced way too early I think it's not anywhere close to being done But a lot of people make fun of it for saying the more we hear about it And I have the more we hear about it the more confused I got in the lead less interested and but this is the first time I heard about okay I kind of understand what the game is a little bit now open world action game It's like what you need to say the beginning that we kind of wrap our minds around that conceptually So I'm looking forward to that because probably the thing I'm most excited about For me, I'm most interested to see if it's actually a ps5 game again I think it'll be as for as well, but what's it I think it's five could all the references to connectivity and connection Be a red herring or is it in a canary in the coal mine that he's referring to the connection between the consoles and how you can play between generations And so I wonder I know you know him like he can be speaking about all sorts of different things maybe he's just a riddler So you get anything he says it's probably just like means everything.

Yeah, he's a strange cat number four a new persona game has been revealed And it's not what you'd expect the game is called persona five scramble the phantom strikers and it's a mooseau type game from omega force The team behind virtually every mooseau game exists in from dynasty warriors and samurai warriors to high rule warriors and drag quest heroes and on and on and on The game was previously teased as persona five s which along with jokers inclusion and smash brothers made it seem like this game would be a persona five switch port Scramble is coming to switch however That was also naturally coming to PlayStation 4 this news comes on top of the announced the PlayStation 5 the royal which is coming to Western PS4 In 2020 the royal is essentially a redox version of the original persona five with new characters areas plot points and more Mark Zebra Jr. wrote in was on patreon just like you can it's a hello Kyle and Chris with a recent announcement of persona five the royal will either of you be willing to give the game a try For someone like myself who isn't big into jr. Bg. I found this game very enticing and with all the new additions coming to it including New characters and every work story that makes me more excited to invest another 100 plus hours into it Love to know your thoughts.

Thank you, and have a nice day. That's right. That's very polite. Yeah, will you ever I know you're not a jr.

Bg guy I don't know you guys kind of the rub with it eventually I'm sure there will be a point in my life where I have so little that I'm interested in doing that I may just happen to pick up persona Five, I don't know. I don't want to go to high school again. Yeah, you know I did that already Yeah, that's a little weird. There's something nostalgic about playing games like that I didn't really care much for high school, but I don't know this game a hundred hour investment is really a lot of That's a lot to ask for sure.

I love jr. Bg's, but I like jr. Bg's you can beat in 40 or 50 hours. That's totally fine with me I don't know that I need a hundred hours.

That's the thing that turns you off from persona and people bust balls But guys like it's a big ass game like finite. I like finite things I think is what it comes down to I like things I have a beginning middle and end and I like those things to be like Reasonably paced, you know, I don't want to sit around for like a hundred I don't really like these games at the service thing is just like when's this gonna end? I like video games because I like video games I want to play as many as I can right if a game's gonna lock me in for like a hundred hours That's other games that I could be playing that I now can't or that I won't have the investment in yeah It's the eyes of classic opportunity cost. Yeah, like I said many times Chris that hundred-hour thing would really turn me on when I was younger Like really really turn me on but as an adult here anything with that Yeah, I mean like really turn me on but as an adult with means and things to do and stuff like that Like we said so many times back in the day.

I would invest in the game like person like oh hundred hours I don't fucking ten dollars to my name, so that would be really great, you know for sure I don't live in that world anymore, so that doesn't sound exciting to me like needle Cooney to which I got to the very end And be but that's like 40 hours. I'm like this is a nice length. I don't need any more than this Yeah, number five publisher electronic arts and developer respawn entertainment released a candid blog post concerning their hit game Apex legends for starters the game saw more than 50 million players globally in its first month and thus the company's quote are 100% committed to long-term growth of apex legends and supporting the millions of players every day and quote Drew McCoy the game's Executive producer laid out a bunch of things the team is tweaking fixing and adding however There are two interesting tidbits for starters. He says this quote We know that in addition to addressing issues with the game everyone is hungry for us to add new content the studio culture that We've worked hard to cultivate and the health of our team are very important We take those things into account when we discuss our content roadmap the production schedule and the frequency in which we can update the game our long-term goal is to ensure apex legends always feels alive and thriving with a focus on quality content over novelty or Speed of release at the same time we want to maintain our culture as a development team and avoid crunch that can quickly lead to burn out or worse and quote a little Later he states quote lastly regarding other games in development at respawn It is important to understand that there are entirely separate development teams working on apex legends and Star Wars Jedi fall in order Additionally in order to fully support apex legends We are pushing out plans for future Titanfall games no resources from the apex legends team are being shifted to other titles in Development here at the studio nor are we pulling resources from the team working on Star Wars Jedi fall in order and quote So there's all interesting stuff in there as well.

Yeah from Drew McCoy who again is the producer of apex legends for starters The game is doing short nearly well 50 million players millions players every day so the game demands tension and certainly it's getting a lot of it Now do you think that this letter has anything to do with what was going on with bio where? Studio yeah, I think so I think there's been a lot of mentions of a lot of developers have been mentioning crunch lately I don't think they would have had it not been for the end the next was it because otherwise there's no reason to talk about it Really right because this is actually and we have a lot of attention to you exactly we have a question about this We're gonna get into in a minute, but I agree with you I think that this is just a time where people are more comfortable talking about the realities But I think the interesting kind of hidden thing here is Titanfall was clearly in development and they've clearly either abandoned it or pushed it away That's irritating that's annoying to me. Otherwise. They wouldn't have said that no for sure So Titanfall 3 was in some state of development whether it was in pre-production or very early in production You know, Titanfall 2 came out in 2016 So there's a directly that game was well along and the fact that they want to abandon it I think was probably them a seating to the realities that they cannot support all these games in the studio without having a similar Cataku expose in a few months about how fucking terrible it is there Yeah, and so I kind of give you a little bit of credit because it's been well Titanfall's not a massive seller they clearly invested resources into making another one and now it'll probably never see the light of day I assume maybe not it's in now.

Yeah, I hope eventually it does because Titanfall 2 was honestly so good And it's a damn crime the way they treat it. I came on my lunch. What's interesting is that apex legends is a Titanfall game Yeah, it takes place in the universe anyway. Yeah, which is strange.

Okay. I mean they say that right? I don't know what they say that it's kind of like how Jakey Rowling says, you know, oh, yeah, I agree that a micro penis You know, it's like okay. Yeah, she's all she's right kind of all sorts of Joseph Trostler wrote into us on patreon and said hey Colin Chris on the show You've talked in depth about game industry work standards unionization and why it is the 40 hour work week isn't practical in this industry With news coming out about nether realm working their developers 80 to 100 hours a week during development of their last two games What is the balance that you would like to see happen in the industry that allows for fans to have quality triple A experiences?

Well not overworking tabs is there a solution that currently exists at a larger studio? I'm interested in what your thoughts are again on this topic. Thanks again. Keep up the great work Thank you, Joseph I'm so glad you wrote in because this is a really great example of what you're talking about I think that respawn in the I have identified a problem and are like trying to ameliorate it to the best they can be I seemingly abandoning an entire vertical at the studio not laying anyone off and then putting people from that game under Yeah, I think ex-ledges don't overwork your workers really is what comes down to you It's just basic I don't know how else to really fix that problem other than just like basic kind of management skills, you know, I mean just know what you can handle I think and I've said this before and I don't want to be too controversial about this But I do want to bring this up because did you read the nether realm story that he was referring to I read a little bit Yeah, what he's referring to for people that don't know is that apparently some guy came out and complained that during Mortal Kombat Nine's development, so this is a while ago World combat 11 just came out during World combat 9's development was like horrifying and I believe it But I do want to say this and I said this about the rock star story And I said it about by where story and I said it about respawn I'm gonna say about another realm.

I don't believe that anyone's working 100 hours like I'm just throwing that out there I think that that might happen like very rarely if you're like in a fucking mode where something needs to get done But I always try to think about that people just exaggerate shit and maybe sometimes they don't mean to I want to put you in the context What 100 hours is okay a hundred hours is almost five days You know I mean like four days and change or something like that of just time that you worked I don't believe it and by the way, there's a massive difference between 70 and 80 hours and 100 We're talking about a difference of 30 or 40 hours between 60 and 100 is a whole work week So I just want to say like maybe people were at working a hundred hours here or there But I don't believe that that's endemic. I think that that's insane And I don't think that that that's happening as a norm at any studio straight up. I'm just saying that straight up right That's that's like almost that's not only unsustainable. That's and that's literally crazy.

This idea that nether realm was working 100 Hour weeks other work. I'm sorry another word. It's the same thing with rock star like when rock star released the audit of their internally And their internal hours and it came out to 45 and a half. Yeah, something like that.

Yeah It's like that's a little far cry from a hundred Was this a quote or was this like a statement? Because a lot of times people will make just like say things and then they'll be taken as like these weird like statements What's really just like kind of like exaggerating speak like the way anybody talks like usually if you have a conversation I'll exaggerate you just it's with the conversation is right like is it like a statement made like you like post it on blog I think you tweeted it out and I think it got picked up. I don't know if he gave any further interviews We're talking specifically about another realm guy, right? But even if you remove him like I just think that we're getting the labor discussion in the industry Which is really interesting I think is kind of getting weighed down by really extreme positions that are either held by very few people at studios Like the the crazy person that works 100 hours a week is making all the people that work 50 hours a week Make it seem like they're working on it.

But they're not but also I think that like it actually enters the conversation because there is something to be said About what do workers want to unionize what are the benefits of those things? What are reasonable hours? How do we avoid crunch? How do we better produce our games and better rate layout roadmaps to take care of ourselves?

And I think that it's getting all lost underneath the crushing weight of the most extreme situations and scenarios that are really not common I know lots of people that work on lots of games And I've never heard anyone ever remotely say that they were working 100 hours and by the way the important thing I know that this is this is without saying but like we're also talking about this like these people like most game developers aren't compensated well above the mean compared to society and that like they have a gun to their head and from what I've been reading For I understand from my experience if what I know and learned you know It's a culture of of what is but no one is making people say no one is like you know Maybe people expect you to work weekends or whatever the case might be but I'm just concerned that we're losing the plot What are we talking about anymore? Are we talking about crunch? Are we talking about long work weeks? Are we talking about agency over your life?

What like these are all different topics? Yeah? Yeah, it's kind of a difficulty conversation That was having a couple it's like a bunch of different conversations happening at once this guy's the same thing And you need to kind of separate them a little bit right and you know what someone who works or I and these days I really take a lot of work off my plate Which is great so I'm working a more normal workload now Which I feel so good about and I needed to do that for my mental health That was a major suggestion for my psychiatrist But you know also work 40 or 50 hours a week But I've worked 60 or 70 hours weeks and I know how much more that is that a 40 or 50 hour week Yeah, and then like you're gonna say I worked 30 more hours than that. I'm like I just don't know that that you did I'm not trying to be a dick.

It's just like that's fucking extraordinary It's a incomprehensible amount of work. It's like wild. I can't I can't imagine it personally like it'd be shocking for I can imagine working On an hour weeks dude. I want to sleep for I want to see for days after I work 60 hour week Which is regular then add out 40 hour week on top of that regularly I just I think we have to base our conversations around reality And if one or two people like choose to work 100 hours at another realm I don't know that that's the problem I think the bigger problem is that like maybe you felt like you should do that But that's a different pressure into like not being healthy basically.

So I don't know it's a complicated conversation I enjoy having it, but I really think the narrative is being drawn by games media towards one Conclusion that I think is not is way more nebulous. Let's say than the conclusion seems to be It's complicated. Yeah, so let's let's like continue to dig into it You continue to make questions about it We'll continue to talk about it I know so many game devs and I want them to be taken care of it I want them to be happy and I want them to be well compensated And we don't want to lose talent because the interesting thing about our industry is that a lot of these guys can make more money Sometimes I always make more money and certainly segue to other industries They can work in movies they can work in fucking app stores. They work for Apple They can there's a bajillion things that these guys can do work cartoons So you want to retain them, you know, you want to make them feel welcome and like their games matter and they do of course number six Kingdom Hearts 3's new DLC was randomly announced at the Kingdom Hearts Orchestra event held in Tokyo in recent days according to Web Psychomatsu The DLC content is called reminded by the way and Kingdom Hearts Tradition I guess it's re colon mind and will include new story content new bosses and more I don't know anything else about it or if you talk any further about it Number seven the FPD group has revealed its monthly list of best-selling video game software in the United States this time for March of 2019 The Division 2 was the best-selling game of the month followed by Sekiro Shadow's eyes twice at two PS works Who's of MLB the show 19 at three and Devil May Cry 5 at four other notable games include Red Dead 2 at 6 Anthem at 11 far cry new dawn at 15 Borderlands at 19 the original Borderlands actually went and look at the original data My borderlands really?

And Assassin's Creed Odyssey at 20 Kingdom Hearts 3 is the best-selling game of 2019 so far with the Division 2 at 2 Anthem at 3 Resident Evil 2 Remake at 4 and Red Dead at 5 it's worth noting that MPD does order itself by monies made and not necessarily units sold So Borderlands could have snuck up because of its rerelease and since digital sales now count it just snuck into the list now Maybe so much more useful now that they do that do you remember MPD like a couple years ago when it was just retail was useless Yeah, well digital was like started explode now. I'm interested in the borderlands today even release borderlands physically I think so I imagine right don't they do that I guess I was just more interested in how cool it would be is if they didn't and that game still snuck on the list would be a great Sign for yeah sales. That'd be pretty wild, but I think you're probably right I would assume that you'd want to put it in stores number eight in order to catch up with what needs to be fixed with Anthem Developer by where revealed on its reddit page that a bunch of features are being delayed until further notice including perhaps the biggest Away to the struggling shooter the cataclysm however other delays include the mastery system guilds the second phase of legendary missions weekly stronghold Challenges leaderboards and more Chris is literally yawning at them Samuel math is running what's on patreon So how do you call in Chris? I know both of you have expressed your idea that video games should be more expensive because they have been at the same price We're quite some time well inflation means you're spending less on games than other goods and services However, I feel as though the games of yesterday were worth more than the games of today before there were no DLC microtransactions and most importantly games Worked when they were released now even triple a games don't even work as they should at releasing Anthem floss 76 Etc.

Do you feel the quality of games would increase with a bigger price tag or should they say the same? I wanted to tell you this to anthem because that's the conversation around anthem that people really get and fall 76 to people get a false bill of sale today by a $60 game that's not worth $60 Chris. Yeah, I mean I think I don't know how to feel about this because when I saw anthem I immediately knew that there was something off about it And when I saw fall 76 I knew for sure that there was something off about it So like I thought it was pretty transparent what those games would end up being to like to me I just I wasn't surprised that they were well to be blunt failures And I I don't know I think it's easy to say that games used to be better because it's we have that we have hindsight And we have like nostalgia kind of I definitely feel that too But I don't know how valid that is or whether or not it's just like memories that I really kind of cherish I don't know if I can really distinguish between those two if I'm being completely honest I don't know if games used to be better. I don't I used to be in the mind that they definitively were But that is in the stology comment some games are better.

I think games age better I think some consoles age better. So I think you go to NES and SNES I think there's a lot of games on there that are way better than games today Yeah, I think you go to N64 PS1 PS2 and that's a less true in the polygonal era, right for sure play res Evil 2 the club he has one classic. Yeah, I was able to remake it some of the problems better No, of course, you know, so that it is an interesting I'm able to remake was great and that's like a recent thing Right, I mean like it but is that I think there's a lot of factors to play here that I just think you might need to be a Little bit more it's kind of hard to be objective about just because we're so entangled with this industry But I think it helps to maybe step back a little bit and be like did For instance in as far as like the the stuff that I'm familiar with was Halo 3 more content rich than destiny 2 probably not I loved it Halo 3 way more and I played that endlessly far more than doesn't need to do it But it was a better game or did I just jive with it more or I don't know it's definitely got less content So I don't know it's it's a tricky conversation I have especially now with the games the service thing going on and it barely being done well It's complicated. You're absolutely right because Apex Legends for instance is a great example of like where did this come from?

I don't even clearly respond in EA didn't expect it to do anything because they literally as we just talked about restructured their entire studio in order to take care of it By abandoning their core game the game that they were about they literally created respawn to make this game and they not Apex but helpful and they they abandoned it But I think there's another interesting opponent of this and this is something because you had mentioned we're so Engratiated in we're just so deep into this industry is that and I just read it above I just want to make sure I got it right anthem is the third best-selling game of the year right and fall at 76 last year I believe was number 19. I've had people recently who actually enjoy playing anthem which blew my mind which I couldn't comprehend it It's just not my taste But like it like I hadn't seen that opinion because I'm familiar with all the people that I talked to have more or less the same Tases me so when you like meet people were like, oh, yeah, I really like answer It's like what the heck is it shocked at the system almost no definitely I'm so glad when people enjoy games And I think that's great that people are enjoying anthem But it is weird because the stigma on one hand the stigma destroys these games I think the stigma falls on me six really injured it on the other hand that I read a story on Kotaku in a few days ago about the Crew of people that play policy on me six are if you still like going how that road map is coming out all this content is coming Like it's just gonna come out and the question is anyone gonna play it and there's just too much competition on the market Right now to like release half you know half broken games and games that need to be patched I think we talked about days gone a little bit and Samuel in his question says now even triple a games don't work as they showed at release and and that he's right I mean I really think we'll talk about this in depth But Sony really hurt days gone do like if there's one body in my mind that hurt days gone more than anyone It's whoever decided to put days gone out before it was patched into people's hands. What a fucking mistake that I'd yeah Really bad idea. I know that they internally expect a higher score than what they got and I think that that was because they were Expecting to have a final product in people's hands not something when we got days gone I was I was talking to Sony and asking them, you know, some people very nice asked them You know my friend Brian over there who's handling the game I was like when are we gonna get the game he was like next we're gonna it's probably about next week And then I got the next day and I was like what first of all I was like so excited I got so early my other game was time to play it and sit with it What a nice thing but actually it was broken it wasn't ready and so at the time that they gave it to us man That's a case.

I will get into that today's gone. That's a fucking case study situation I really want to get to but nonetheless Samuel we appreciate your inquiry and you know We didn't really even ask your answer your question which is about inflation and spending more on games and are Games broken I just think as we said so many times and I think Chris agrees We just have to explore the scale whether it means go up or down generation zero for instance Which is a fucking terrible video game that I was excited about for some reason I don't think it's a six dollar game. I think it's a 40 so we're already starting to explore that range Yeah, and fuck I knew I was also 40 and I think I knew dawn is that I think that's a six dollar game So it's cool that they gave you that much value, you know Say with rationally clank the remake from 2016 that that did so well It was $40 but that was a $60 game So I think there's a way to explore downward and I think once you see an exploration upward You'll see I am confident enough taking quality like I don't think that cyberpunk is gonna come out and be broken No, I just don't believe that I'll be shocked Number nine blood born is getting a board game and it's kickstarter reach its funding all of $200 less than a half an hour bloodboard Yeah, why did they call that the same the tabletop game aptly called bloodborn the board game. Yeah shit They miss an opportunity there supports from one to four players where the soul called hunters Quote must explore the town of yarnum and fight their way through beasts monsters and frenzy townfolk to survive the night And uncover the source of the madness that consumes it I quote the game should be ready for kickstarter backers and perhaps even sold through retail channels in May of 2020 as of the time I'm writing this the day before we recorded this episode the game had around 5500 backers pledging more than two million dollars.

There's about two weeks left in the campaign That's so cool. It's pretty cool. I like that Sony is allowing this to happen with their license They remember people might remember they did this with horizon as well I don't know if it's the same company doing it. They're allowing licenses where they're not making a lot of money back It's the same with our merch a dice which they're selling a lot of now to just a nice way to get your shit out there Yeah, no, it's a cool.

Yeah, they have expectations, but if you're making a little bit of a rip on a board game Why not? Yeah, introduce people who have played board games to it number 10 Website Silicon era has relayed word that in Japan Sony's officially ceasing repair services for both the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation portable No services have long since laps in other parts of the world the announcement which came over PlayStation's Japanese customer support Twitter account noted that the PS3 repairs Will cease on May 31st while PSP will end even sooner because they are literally out of the parts necessary to continue to fix them So they're just out so not really germane I guess to the audience the western audience that listens to this but I thought it interesting a little tidbit on the left They ran out of those weird analog sticks. Yeah, they're all gone. This is the analog stick that I thought was a speaker for like Like too long wait, did you own it?

Yeah, you never you never touched it when you own it I had it with I got it in 2005 or 2006 with about kiria profile and when did you realize it wasn't a speaker 50 hours in probably that's shocking Yeah, so you didn't even fuck with it. No, no, that's psychotic. Yeah, that's like why I know well because you have to think about it Right. This was obviously pre 3ds.

So we were coming off of DS and GBA. We were using deep hands on handouts It was just very natural. I was like why would I even think that there was a stick on this and I thought by the way That's terrible. I never use it anyway.

I think I might use it like grand at the auto or something Yeah, those are the whole game's pretty good. It's bad stick. What was the grand liberty city stories and by city stories? The PSP and was it sorry?

Yeah, I thought I was a what's the yes one that was China town. All right. Yeah, which was also released later on P. S.

I was really good actually. Yeah, it was different. I think it was more in line with the old GTA one and two top down stuff Yeah, but I was you play Liberty City stories or by city? They're a little bit of Liberty City stories.

They're so true when you play them now, but I was so excited about them when they came out That's awesome. That was when rocks are just released constant streams of Grand at all games Which clearly doesn't happen anymore number 11 swear and excess confirm that it is indeed holding an E3 showcase this year The company confirmed on Twitter that you can tune into their show on Monday June 10th at 6 p.m Pissing time, which is interesting and that that's Sony's traditional slot last year the company that a broadcast of trailers and announcements with no live show There are two doesn't make it clear if that's what they're going to do this year though That's a safe assumption last year's I think was like a half an hour or a little bit more what your expectations were square And I said either Chris because a lot of people are saying well, where's the Avengers game? Yeah, and also where's a fantasy seven remake what do you think we're gonna see anything about fantasy seven? I think that's I think that's dead.

I think completely honest. I don't imagine like it was not like a huge shakeup at that studio too They removed the studio and then brought in I don't think it's dead, but I think it was probably restarted. It's definitely not It's definitely like mostly it's probably a Metroid Prime kind of situation where it's like we need to restart this to the point where it's it's if it's not dead It's dead for the foreseeable future. I mean based on the gameplay.

I saw it should be dead I don't know what they were thinking. Yeah, the game looks cool, but the gameplay itself I'm curious about the Avengers game especially considering what is currently out and smashing records right now I don't know why they're not using this dude. It was a juicy avengers. I did I thought it was wild when at the end the Riddler came in yeah, it's pretty bad.

I would fuck shit out wild. It's a little came in and killed So we're looking with a machine gun. Fuck everyone was crazy. I literally don't know I couldn't even spoiler the movie because I don't know anything about it the last Marvel movie I saw straight up and I think it might have been the first one in the MCU was Iron Man Yeah, that was the first one right I saw that in the theater But that was the last Marvel movie I saw that was in 2008 it just blows my mind that they're working on an Avengers game They've been so silent about it given what's happened.

They mean what's a billion? Almost a billion a quarter like to it's ridiculous how much money this movie's making and they have the Avengers name tied to a game And they're not saying anything about it. It's weird. What's up you ready or they want to just hit those beats twice It's not ready why even like this is a thing.

It's like it's been announced for how long now I don't know if they were explicitly announced it. I think they might have acknowledged it but they never showed anything from it I think no they have like a teaser didn't they? Oh, I don't know. I remember being specifically announced a while ago Well, we'll see what happens I was exciting about swear is that they're going to come out with some weird shit that we can't anticipate like they did last year with The quiet man which I know a lot of people didn't like but they still experiment on the low end Which I think is is pretty fun and so I think we'll see like you know Talk your RPG factories game which we haven't seen a great deal of the third game and hopefully we'll see something from the Avengers I don't think it's canceled, but I think it's in flux and so I don't know that they're ready to show it off Yeah, but what's cool about this is that it's at Sony's original time which is so weird that 6 p.m slot with Sony's so I don't know if they're playing a bigger blowout of some sort if we'll be in person Yeah, I don't know Number 12 Madden's annual cover athlete reveal has occurred and this year's choice is relatively unsurprising Kansas City Chief's quarterback Patrick Mahomes will grace the cover of man NFL 20 which will launch on PlayStation 4 and elsewhere on August 2nd Later this year is apparently a pretty new big new feature called QB1 in Madden in the men and of all 20 that people are excited about so That seems man knows comes out on August.

That seems actually really early. I take it sports games are kind of like a new weedy's Aren't they? Is that what they put a different person? I don't know where they put a different guy in the box.

It's like oh you're on the box. Whoa traditionally being on the man box is considered a curse Really? Yeah, I didn't know that you can read about it It's been broken by a few people most recently I think Tom Brady but there have been people on the cover many times that catastrophic shit has happened in the next season That's you should go read about like this very interesting like it's season ending injuries botched plays that like we're catastrophic to the team Like all sorts of shit really interesting stuff. I'm sure read about number 13 the long and development follow up to 2012's retro city rampage Shakedown Hawaii finally has a release date for both PlayStation 4 and Vita the 16-bit open world game is due out on May 7th The game will cost $19.99 or your local equivalent and buy one version of the game gets you the other for free You can also share saves between the two versions we call that cross-save This is a game that I was excited about massive problem with it though massive massive massive problem with it It doesn't have a platinum trophy now.

I know that this is like a thing that some people shrug and roll their eyes out But I cannot fucking believe when I saw this game strobe's that it doesn't have a platinum trophy What are you thinking you can't see it? There's smoke on dude like I don't know how Brian Perfijano's the guy who makes this game makes it by himself I bet him for a nice guy took a long time making this game I know he's tuned into the you know his player base I know he's tuned into the industry I know he was tuned into the feedback the myriad feedback you got on a much or city rampage How the fuck did you watch that? How does this game not have a platinum trophy? That is fucking nuts?

You know it really bothers me. You know the real platinum trophies of the friends we made along the way I can't with that. It's just because How would you say would be like would be the platinum we made along the way the real? I don't know I'm not smart enough for this number 14 is a wrap up push where reports that harrow sequel layers of fear to is For launch on PS4 on May 28th that car battling strategy game slay the spires do out on PlayStation 4 on May 21st Puzzle or poo poo champion just coming in Western PS4s on May 7th Go outside reports that fire dead or alive 5 has surpassed 350,000 copy ships while saber interactives world where Z game quickly top to 1 million sold The one said also reports that adventure game figment is PS4 bound on May 14th and finally Still can ever reports that limited run games the niche publisher of hard copies of indie games We'll have an e3 press conference of sorts and that it will include all of the rest of the v2 games It plans to publish in retail form so they'll announce all their rest of their videos So that's pretty exciting although also very sad.

Yeah Chris it's time to get to the new game releases But before I get into all of that Chris Tyler Malta running us on patreon Hey colony Chris as listeners have become increasingly aware There are a ton of games releasing each week on the PlayStation store This kind of volume is engraved for indie devs and makes looking for a new interesting games at sure My question is why is Sony still releasing games on Tuesdays and Fridays? Did you leave they could allow releases seven days a week and in doing so would make the store something to check on every day of the week? It'll have for more games to get spotlight with a new today category when the two of you read the drop We hear games that release on both Tuesday and Friday of any given week So we make your lives easier or the drop any smaller But it would give the developers of two different cat bathing sims a little more room to breathe keep making Tuesdays great again I don't know if it really would I think it would kind of fall into the YouTube problem Where it's like YouTube's kind of like weird because like if you subscribe to a bunch of channels on YouTube Then it's just like a constant flux of whenever they upload There's really kind of barely any room to breathe on it like a news feed like that So if it ran like a newsfeed type situation on the indie dev front I just don't feel like it would work all that well It's hard to say I mean nothing really works I'm a little puzzled why games are still released on the old schedule Yeah, games used to come out on Tuesdays then they were released, you know worldwide on Fridays music always came out on Tuesdays I think movies came out on Tuesdays something like that. There are DVDs movies right on Fridays I don't know exactly why that exists still and why you wouldn't necessarily want to release a game Whatever you can because it really is just like checking a few boxes Like I even know that the developers themselves set the trophies live for instance because I was playing an early game I was like oh hold on and then they went live so to me I look at it I'm like I would be more interested in Sony simply making the initiative putting out feelers and trying to work better with their partners Because people were talking about the snooker than we were talking work What did they say snooker snooker snooker and you're talking about how well of course they would both release the same week Because that's when the snooker championship begins whatever and I was like guys that doesn't matter Sony should be should look at that I'd be like we can't release these games the same week Like we're just not doing it It doesn't make sense like I don't people are so eager to make excuses for companies and I find that really weird Sony doesn't give a fuck about the PlayStation Store most of the games that go out and they should and I'll keep saying that they should care There should be people playing everyone of these games talking to the developers making a schedule releasing them in a way That makes sense to try to elevate the games and if the game isn't worth elevating then perhaps the game isn't worth publishing I know that's a hard thought and it was again I just want to say no coincidence that nothing came out around days gone last week Sorry for sure, you know and people were saying well, maybe other games wanted to get out of its way and I'm like no I don't think so I think that Sony was like nothing's coming out this week unless we probably previously agreed that you would come out today You know so I don't know I get frustrated Chris because I think Sony should do so much better And I know a lot of indy-dems and I know a lot of indy-dems that have done very well in PSN and when I hear from them Is not good stuff about working with PlayStation when I hear from them is that Sony doesn't seem to care too much about them anymore That it's hard to get in communication with them.

It's hard even got a PlayStation blog post It's hard to get placement on the store. These are guys that sold millions of copies sometimes of their games on PSN So if they're saying that can you imagine the guy who's like one dude making a PSN game hoping to get noticed? He's fucked. Yeah, it's it's a mess honestly.

I don't understand I fix it though. It's like it's anything I don't think they really understand I've made my proposal hire a council of people that this is what they're responsible for at Sony spend a couple million dollars a year and And make a team yeah that literally is responsible for curating for playing these games and I said in the past everyone There should be a 10 plus 10 people a game is submitted the game needs to get eight votes to get published or seven votes And you're not judging a base on anything other than like well, whoever this is aimed at enjoy You probably get rid of half your games that way that would create you know a bunch of a bunch of room and oxygen I get really frustrated because I think that this only hurts game devs doesn't hurt anyone. Oh for sure now Would you like to go first or second? First I guess you always like the lead off.

I appreciate that. Yeah, get on base. Let's go bird game comes to PS4 in bird game A third person flying adventure a very special adventure awaits you. I like the two adventures Complete with a serene complete with a serene soundtrack a difficult yet relaxing adventure.

Oh my god A difficult yet relaxing venture awaits all those who wish to be one with nature That's a lot of adventures in the same sense a third person flying adventure a very special adventure awaits you a difficult yet relaxing adventure two senses So he definitely cares though This is what I'm talking about someone on that team would read all these right off there so many to be like who wrote this Yeah, and then rewrite it so that maybe someone reads it and says oh that sounds interesting instead of fucking making fun of it I mean this is what I'm talking about yeah The whole point of this segment is mostly us making fun of bad write-ups Yeah, and the other reason I like to do this because I just want to acknowledge every game on PSN at least one time Black paradox comes to PS4 black paradox is a fast-paced roguelike shoot them up unleash an arsenal of weapons power-ups drones and other upgrades The survive waves of enemies against the backdrop of vibrant pixel art and synthwave soundtrack enter the cockpit ready your weapons and prepare for the ultimate Black the showdown see that's a good write-up tell me a little bit about the game makes it seem exciting Man look at that bomb chicken comes to ps4 play as a bomb laying chicken in this action puzzle platformer who doesn't love chicken Especially when it's smothered in delicious blue hot sauce. That's actually a question. Yeah After a freak accident a seemingly ordinary chicken becomes a bomb laying free range hero Explore the versatile mechanic of laying bombs in this explosive exploration platform I'm going to free range for a better word name for that than bomb chicken free range chicken or free Like free range chickens actually would be a funny superhero name or character You guys can take that other box chicken was a good name Bob chickens good Doesn't work on the double on time. It doesn't I suppose it's a bit lazy box VR comes to PS VR Box VR brings music enhance the boxing inspired workouts the virtual reality gaming leading fitness instructors help us produce a variety of boxing Workout specifically designed to destroy calories and the most entertaining way to buys we are constantly improving box VR with New classes music moves and features It's funny because I've been thinking about trying one of these these athletic like workout games because I went and tried On my suit because I go to a wedding in a couple weeks now.

I've tried on some 2016 not looking not a good scene Not a good scene. I it's weird. I weigh the same but my gut is just so much bigger now It's like a chain link fence over a quilt. Yeah, that's right Crash bots comes to ps4 take control of the latest line of robots and test their fighting capabilities agility and endurance in various arenas Filled with dangerous obstacles booby traps and enemies in world mode reach the finish line of each level before your battery runs out in endless mode Run as far as you can before your energy runs out.

What is the significance of booby traps? I don't know I should read up. I don't know the analogy of that. I'm like did you say it was like a chain link fence over a quilt?

What does that mean? Because like you put like something like a pattern Okay, yeah very well done. It's a very specific vivid image that I probably only understand I get it now the end is not comes to ps4 Oh, Ash one of the few things that have survived the end of the world feel as stress levels rise as you grow into an endless form of decaying Mutant creatures and aid his final epic quest to simply make a friend feel his stress levels rise I don't need any more of that I don't mean either. Please fade to silence I actually saw a little bit of this at PAX fade to silence it comes to be as for fade to silence takes players into a frozen post apocalyptic world where defined nature's threats and enemies is key a Compelling mix of a puzzling story a constant strife of resources balancing short-term needs versus your long-term goals and a tense atmospheric mood makes This game a unique survival adventure Felsiel arbiters mark comes to PS4 Felsiel arbiters mark is a turn-based tactical RBG with a focus on storytelling and strategic battles unfold a mature story as you progress through hard Crafted scenarios controlling your own group of arbiters with each character customizable from a wide selection classes and abilities I hope that game's good because I really would like to play it.

Oh, yeah, mm-hmm Giga yeah, all right Giga Giga wrecker alt comes to ps4 in the near future where earth has been ravaged by robot invaders The fate of the planet rests on the shoulders of a young girl who becomes more than human saved from death and cursed with cybernetic powers beyond comprehension It's up to Reka Reka Reka Reka Jay right hi g whatever the hell that is to save humanity from the evil Ajit in this exciting new game from legendary developer game free What's interesting? That's kind of fascinating. I forgot that they were coming out with a game They did post on the PlayStation blog a while ago. I'm a little disturbed by your confusion of the word Giga That's actually a real word.

No, no. Yeah, but like I thought I thought like I go. Oh, he's like I got you know how these games I'm using these games especially yeah tower of Dragon Asia comes to ps4 Experience a unique action-packed adventure as a mythical dragon while fighting waves of dragons to ascend at the top of the tower of Dragon Asia Play as five unique dragons as you venture through three worlds of carefully crafted levels and countless waves of enemies in order to climb the mysterious tower of Dragon Asia We can watch you to the word dragon in there. Yeah, what Valhalah cyberpunk bartender action comes to ps4 you are a bartender at VA 11 Hall a affectionately nicknamed Valhalla although it is just a small bar in downtown glitch city It attracts the most fascinating people this side of dystopia keep your clients lubricated and you will be made privy to the most interesting stories cool I love that I love the term lubricated when you talk about drinking yeah the funny thing about this game is I think it was supposed to come to Vena I don't know if it did it looks pretty cool.

I like the name. Yeah, but it's I actually spelled it out But it is called VA dash 11 Hall dash a cyberpunk bartending action But I was afraid that if you got to it that you would have and you did indeed read it I thought about you and I was like well Chris will have a bit aneurysm. Yeah, I probably will I can't read English guys So that looks pretty cool. Uh, don't see much else that I would I'd never play any of these games I can't literally recommend fate of silence looks kind of neat looks like we're like Skyrim dark ciders kind of thing It's weird.

So some games for you to check out but I think everyone's gonna be busy with days on listening to the show probably Chris We have eight questions comments concerns lots and ideas from the audience as we always do to end the show remember you can support us on patreon.com I say and that's how you interact with our show. Otherwise. We simply ignore you Chris Let's start with zia amunual amunual amunual Zia amunual I think I'm saying that right. I think I was also having a stroke Are you getting tired of the constant misinformation running in the game space more frustrating among game journalists?

Our recent example is with moral combat 11 where a post on reddit claiming you need to spend at $6440 in order to unlock all the skins on moral combat 11 when in reality you cannot buy any skins in moral combat apart from the fortnight like daily Soar and you cannot purchase the boxes of any kind in other words The only way to earn most games is simply by playing and the mistake had nothing to do with microtransactions But more so a misjudgment in grind limits. Yeah microtransactions took center point of the conversation and everyone regurgitated each other's posts Only sharing in common nobody did the proper researcher own the game thoughts. I don't know that I agree with this assessment Now, have you been I don't know anything about the moral combat thing So the thing with moral combat 11 for people I don't know and again It's not a game I play this is a game Chris what more likely play than me But the thing with moral combat 11 is apparently there are a series of modes in the game that are really grinding And there's like a bunch of shit that you can unlock and you have to just go through all these motions or Similar to let's say assassin screed Odyssey last year which took I think 120 hours a platinum or you can go and buy a bunch of shit That makes the game easier And it is fucking annoying. Yeah, when you make something Attainable and quotes in the game it reminds me of old app store and Facebook things like I'd ever played Facebook games But you would hear people playing farmville or whatever and like you would Yeah, whatever you get sees or whatever the case might be the point I'm trying to make is like you have a perfect cadence and balance So that people can spend money, but don't feel like you're trying to get them this money I think that that's two that that's two different things and it's a needle that needs to be threaded If you're a man of means a woman of means and you play the game you're like, fuck it Yeah, that should be your boragavent But if you're someone who wants to play the game regularly and you're literally like this is insane that you're making you do all this for this When I can just go buy it I think that's different and that is a design philosophy and I think that does deserve criticism whether it needs to be directed at wb or Netherrealm is another thing entirely but I think that that's a bit I don't want to say is I is misrepresenting it But that's how I interpret it events.

That's yeah, that's fair I think I don't know it does bother me when it's in single-player games specifically because like I said this before but like the only reason that you would put Microtransactions in a single-player game is to artificially inflate whatever kind of grind that is in there that would otherwise be far shorter There would be no incentive for you to pay for something if it wasn't annoying, you know to get on your own because otherwise you would just do that Right, so yeah, I'm not familiar. I don't know what the hell's going on with Mortal Kombat right now I'm not really that into fighting games early Mortal Kombat at all I mean, there were microtransactions in it until like yesterday. Yeah, there's like this tower that you have to climb and these various Pored like fights. I think there's a tower you have to climb something like I don't know if you're literally climbing it But like you're fighting and then you're going up some kind of a kind of yeah Yeah, and I think people are just frustrated with the balance I have no problem with microtransactions at all specifically if they don't affect anyone else if they're skin so like that but That's the thing occasionally like this something like this will happen where it's like very clearly like this would N- if you couldn't buy these things there's no way the grind would be this ridiculous exactly That's the problem and I think you know I don't know why but Assassin's Creed Odyssey just comes to mind because I think it was a similar thing where people were getting really frustrated I heard of doing that.

Yeah, but it's just you got to thread the needle a little bit better than that And by the way, I think if you've read the needle more elegantly and you like don't seem so predatory I bet you make more money. I don't you know, oh, yeah, I would believe that I think I probably was enormously popular I think it's nearly as egregious right because it goes back to my plans versus on these two stories from 2011 or 2012 Whenever that came out where like literally you literally couldn't buy the game you had a literally spend money in it I'll fuck off on that I would literally give you $20 not gonna do anything Yeah, so I do those games that have like those mobile games that have ads pop up to like make you want to buy the full version So you didn't have to deal with the ads now We just gets can you leave us a review on on the I'd on the store there Tyler Garrett And what's inside? Hey, CNC been listening from the beginning and finally became a patron this week And I'm loving the perks should have done this along or he's actually said should have done this fucking ages ago I agree with you Tyler. Welcome.

I was wondering if you guys have seen the guy who beat Sekiro using Donkey Kong Bongo and what you thought of that is this guy a masochist? I can't even get into those games being how easily I rage quit Did you see this? No, I know I Believe it. Yeah, so first of all guy be Sekiro.

I think on PC by you know, pretty well I don't know game cube had a game called Donkey Kong jungle beat. I think it was called Donkey Kong Right, and it came with it came with these Bongo controls I played the game one time and they're useless and they just they're just probably in landfills all over the place It's but someone I think on the PC version of Sekiro managed hook that up And so I think some way anyway He beat the game using the bongo's which I think is so funny And I wanted to bring it up just because I was curious how you felt about we thought a little bit about speedrunning and all that but About finding your own challenges And I think it is a little masochistic in the sense that and not a bad way I guess but I don't know how someone sits down and it's like I'm gonna do this I'm gonna stream it So the pressure is like already way higher. You're performing too. It's crazy to me.

Yeah, that's how he's performing Yeah, I think making challenges is like part of like half the fun of like games back in the day specifically I think I think now it's a little bit less So I think now games kind of don't want to do that They kind of want to give stuff for you and they go and kind of want to when Ticy with like future probably like there's gonna be New content instead of just making content. It's like, you know constantly replayable I said spend a lot of time like bursting out like trying to get out of like maps So like bust out of levels and like we'd spend like hours in the same place in like a specific level and some like Shooter just trying to get through a wall, you know, it's kind of like that It's like I miss that stuff. It's cool to me that somebody managed to do that with friggin Game combos. Yeah, it is really wild and really interesting I think and a second only to bongo mode is what we should be on Yeah, I know we're talking about easy mode and accessibility well It's never been less accessible now if somebody can wait for real though if somebody can beat second on bond goes What does that what does that say about difficulty exactly it's entirely subjective and relative?

Yes, it is like I wonder You know, I always wonder about games skill level generally speaking What's interesting is that we talk about games I don't think people really meaningfully talk about it But about how good a person is a game like we make fun of Dean Takahashi for instance a game for his like I think we're like and like we make fun of Arthur at polygon for that doom gameplay and it's horrible But I also I've talked about this really terrible Castlevania where the shadows who gameplay from Tokyo game show Yeah, I couldn't read the screen in my controls, but we needed footage and there was no one to help me And it's awful people made fun of me and stuff so we've all been there But I really consider myself well above average video games But it depends on the game you're talking about like expert level actually at like size rollers and old school games like that Maybe a little bit of average at shooters But I wonder like what kind of overall skill level and confidence in your skills you have to have to be like I'm fucking doing this Because I would never do that though the craziest thing I ever did crazy is I played all Megaman 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 in a row on a stream And beat them all I think that's actually insane that's what that's bongo level ridiculous and I don't think I neither that's Bongo levels that's my play it on any s controller or whatever we moat or whatever it was and And to me, I don't know that was just playing the game. That's fine goes my friend. Well, that's my ghost I think everybody has that game. They're probably like a savante right like one thing at least one thank God It's the most useful thing in the world on a savante mega man Kyle Eberton wrote in what's said hello Kyle and Chris Colin would you play a 3d 3rd person mega man game if so?

What would it need to do in terms of mechanics if not well fuck you for being no fun? That's incredibly harsh Kyle and I appreciate your question. There is a 3d 3rd person mega man game It's called mega man legends came out in the fall of 1998. I got it for my birthday in ninth grade and it's a decent PS1 game that came to m64 is well called mega man 64 in case you have that version of it so those games do exist and I Didn't think they were especially good.

I was always annoyed that people liked mega man legends so much like it's fine It's like really not very good. I've said many times in past I would love to make an open world third-person action violent gritty mega man game that fuses the two mega man games together I will be happy to write it for Capcom I thought Capcom Vancouver would have been the great studio to make it how come Vancouver no longer exists So good thing we didn't start the project there, but hopefully we will start at some point one day come on Hans right now since I hate lit fam do you think the controller needs more buttons? Personally I would love to see the next gen controller come with buttons or paddles in the back This will make tasks like jumping and aiming at the same time FBS is more natural with PC nerds having a hundred buttons on their keyboards I think it's fair to add a couple more to the base controllers I disagree I think the thing that turns beyond the controllers is the fact that they're a finite amount of buttons I think that bothers me about keyboards that there's just all these useless buttons that don't do anything And then like some of them use like some of them use X and some of them don't do something use X for C and C for V And it's like what are you doing? This is annoying.

It's just so much wasted space. So like no I don't want that and besides they well, I guess it's not not for everybody But the the elite controller on the Xbox ecosystem side of things has paddles in the back that you can remove and put on so I think here's what I would like to see optional controllers with that as an option as you know as far as the whole industry I would like to see a friend in ten or like to see for PlayStation because they're ready on the Xbox system and people like it But I wouldn't want it to replace the way controllers exist now because I personally think they're probably the best They've ever been they're super comfortable now. They're you're gonna work everything that needs to be there is there and nothing That doesn't need to be there with the touch band. Yeah, the touch band the touch band is gonna say I know that now Or maybe not I mean we know that PS5 will re-ps for controllers I guess that's as much as we know actually now Maybe it won't stay but that did add an extra button and actually we lost the button Yeah, the share button because it used to be select so actually kind of is equivalent what I thought about first was on the Do controller from the original Xbox would have which had the white and black buttons on it Which I always thought was really interesting.

Yeah, those ones We're gonna take a more genesis style like six buttons six face buttons, right? I remember when I you know I think my first I think I got my Xbox in 2003 and a coat or was my first game I remember taking the controller out of the smaller one it was the other Yes, yeah, and I remember looking at the first time playing with them I'm like I don't even know what you do with these I don't I barely remember ever having a game where they were utilized So I think that's a version of a controller that actually does have more buttons than we have now And I don't think we're technically not because didn't have two triggers or you only one had two triggers, but no bumpers Those buttons were the bumpers basically. That's right. That's right.

That's right. Huh? You know what I like about the Xbox controller to is that big Xbox logo in the middle and I used to stop touching it Was that like soft plastic? Oh, yeah, it's nice little rubbery.

What a waste of space that was but yeah, really interesting You know, I don't know that we need more controls But I said over and over again though Chris is I do think we need a convention about how the games control feel and menus operate I think Nintendo Xbox and Sony should get together and be like this is the way we're fundamentally corely You know, X is forward circle is back. It's actually the opposite man, you know, yeah stuff like that So I'm like can we can we normalize it so that when I play a shooter? I generally know how to play it I think that that would be much more interesting like I don't know that you're gonna get better control schemes whether or not You like the feel or not but the better control schemes than like a quality I just like it's a shooter gonna feel better than halo is a shooter gonna feel better than gears of war something like that I think you have to like look at what works and just replicate it and stop like reinventing a wheel like they do Which us cause and all this shit, right? I hated the shooting just so much like I can't play this Just give us button mapping right?

Let's make our own control scenes. It's really you don't need to add like some crazy lever I'm a cider, you know, dual shock. It's not necessary. That's the other thing I said if I were made a game I would absolutely allow mapping I know that the QA nightmare Oh, but you have to do it I'm not control is surely it's a lot easier than I'm PC I would assume so and by the way, Chris, you brought the elite controller people have been writing into us and we have send the Past there is no official Sony Elite controller, but there are Sony branded elite style PS4 controllers that are endorsed by PlayStation Oh, really?

Yeah, I know who makes them. I know who makes them. I'll pick one up I'm just curious about it I did get the green controller the fourth green dual shock with the white trim beautiful beautiful looks a little lovely on the shelf Right now, or a palimino right in what's good So I'm mostly excellent greeting though both of you good sirs a couple of episodes ago You talked about whether the horizon zero don't sequel or a kill zone sequel should launch with the PS5 I think it would be a good idea to have the horizon zero don't sequel with access to a kill zone PS5 multiplayer beta Possibly including all sorts of new modes and such that could lead to a great multiplayer shooter launch for the kill zone game Curious on your thoughts also I wish games would bring back bonus mini games that you put on a lock like back in the day How cool a horizon zero don't snowboarding game be that would be fucking awful and I wish you stopped for hey while you were still ahead But as far as you were saying about horizon and kill zone that would be very interesting now I shared with Chris I I don't think even responded to my text But I heard some substantive rumors about all this shit Yeah over the last week from people I trust and there's a movement in chicken happening with the with some of these games I don't want to see a snowboard even though. No, I guess it's ex though back in the day Snowboarding games that are snowboarding games are fun.

You don't play horizon zero done It reminds me of us cloud snowboarding and final thing c7 not necessary that happened Yeah, I think it was that gold saucer but it could have been some other time There's a snowboarding game and a motorcycle game and a chocolate racing game and all that kind of stuff I only know that because I played for anything seven when I was a kid But I just planted it like two years ago, so it's still on the mind but yeah, I think there's got to be some sort of Cross-pollination if real is doing two games at once but I don't like sealing multiplayer betas behind game sales I just think and pre sales and shit like that. I just think it's it's predatory It benefits like the most fiscally and financially secure gamer But not necessarily the most passionate or useful gamer for your beta and that's why I think beta should be signups Like I think you should sign up for me this regardless of my game Because then you have a nice cross-section of people just because the person was able to afford a pre-order doesn't mean that he has more Valuable insight necessarily then a kill zone fan who's still playing kills on channel ball because he can't afford or doesn't choose To afford whatever the case my big game so yeah, there could be some cross-pollination there But I will say no more for now guitar Raven 28. That's an interesting name is it a raven that plays a guitar It sounds like a really old YouTube 10th. Yeah does greetings to the sea catastrophe I don't know what that means now that I support the Sean patreon a long time listener yada yada yada Thank you.

I can ask about a little problem. I've been having well This is exactly what this part is for to solve your problems See I have this habit of buying physical games I knew it's like them being days gone and I leave them in the wrapping if I have no interest in playing them right away Now usually I only do this with games that go on sale for a great price Otherwise I'd wait for another time to buy them days gone was an exception because it was gifted to me regardless half of my shelf Gleeins and plastic wrapping and it will probably stay that way for multiple decades How I would love a year with no new game releases to open and play all those traps suffocating games under cell phone wrap I said that many times as well anyway my question is pretty simple how many unopened games do you two own how horrible are your backlogs Colin I know that you have boxes of unplayed PS4 games from the game journalism days Chris I know your boxes worth of roaches stuff in your apartment, but how many unopened games? This is an interesting question. Yeah, do you buy games and I'll open them?

No, I can't I'm the kind of person like I tear the plastic off like new TVs and then like electronic That's so satisfying. It bothers the hell out of me, but also it's satisfying to do it So that's only a one shot at yeah So no, I don't like the look of cellophane wrap all over my new shit like I don't like it I actually straight up I don't put a case or a scream back around my phone the same reason because I just don't I just don't like the way It was designed specifically to be what this form factor is why would I put why no? I'm just not gonna drop my phone because I'm an adult. Oh, what that's interesting don't tell her in now I will say that I've noticed that you have a case on my phone like a rubber case of some sort but no screen protector Because I always found out a little weird as well the screens You know as the famous or ago Steve Jobs had the iPhone the original iPhone kind of prototype in his pocket with plastic screen And his keys were scratching the shot of it so we got gorilla glass instead so these things were like old Well, I don't want to say totally almost a stretchable so I never understood the screen protector.

Yeah, but the case I think it saved me once or twice for sure. Yeah, I know maybe I'm short So I don't my phone doesn't matter you are very short but you are very short But now I can't I can't go I typically never bought a game that I didn't want to try immediately because I didn't really have that Like usually get like maybe one game for Christmas or like maybe I'd save up for one game after like a long time So I pretty much opened everything immediately. I never really got a just a huge amount at once I always open games that I bought and I will say during the instruction manual era Which was a long era I used to be really eager to open the games because the books smelled so good I love the way the books now you open the book and to sniff out I kind of agree but since games don't come with instruction manuals anymore that whole thing is dead And I don't get physical games much anymore I have a few physical games that are open from this year that I got from various publishers And that's the thing I probably have more than a hundred open games between PS3 v2 and PS4 But it's just because I would get the games for free and I gen and I would never play them those days are kind of gone I kind of have to request my games now and I've never bought something in that open day But even if you get a game now, it's usually digital right so it's like yeah I have a lot of unplayed digital games for sure I have a ridiculous amount like probably way more than you know way more than I really should yeah I go in the store sale a very steam like scenario where I go like with the flash down going on now for golden week I'm gonna go on there and probably buy a hundred dollars in games I'm never gonna play just because I feel like the price is right Yeah, but I will say this that there are some publishers that still deal in physical media like Naco Bandai still sends me physical games But I was really interesting for you know Cooney to and then more recently for the tales of a spare you release I was like I got a copy of like sure and I expected a code on the next day of the mail I got like the game Two more questions Chris Jeremy malar wrote a noise and said hey Colin and Chris with the announcement that the PS5 is backwards compatible with PS4 games Does this mean we can expect the inclusion of a touchpad on PS5 controller? So I didn't want to talk about this too much before yeah, I don't think so you don't think there's a way out of this don't think so No, there's a way out of this now.

We know that the consoles backwards compatible therefore it's gonna read PS4 controllers So if you're playing PS4 games on it, then you'll use the PS4 controller No, I told you earlier that I think this is an inelegant solution because people will have to have the PS4 controller well Which is an extra backwards compatible doesn't necessarily mean it's backwards compatible with the hardware referrals that you use in Interface with it because technically the Xbox one is backwards compatible with the 360 be can you to 360 controller next one right You play those games well you can use a dual shock for the ps3 you can yes So the point is not a right and move bounce between consoles as well I think like we said like we said a little bit weird But like yeah, that's a good point it is interesting though like we said last week move is gonna bounce from PS3 to PS5 looks Like which is strange, but I think that as I said earlier backwards compatibility is a rough one because it's essential We're gonna get it, but I like the idea of the controller that we're gonna get out of the box with PS5 just inherently working with Ps work games which indicates that it's gonna have to have a touchpad the other solution is that you simply have to have a ps4 controller And maybe they make those really cheap and accessible if you don't have a ps4 I don't like that solution as much But I guess in myself is ways if I were gonna choose one I would be like fuck it make the ps5 controller for extra that it sucks And if you want to play ps4 games get a ps4 controller, but I don't as I said episode I just don't I don't like that solution. Yeah, I don't know I will days gone uses the touchpad actually actually First yeah, it's the first game that I've seen that's done that really in a long time So I would be shocked if they were working on this game while the ps5 was supposedly being you know Talked about it tossed around that they would then choose to design their game at the tail end of a console cycle using a feature That could presumably be absent from the next run of alright So that to me tells me that yeah, there's probably gonna be a touchpad on the next controller Let's wrap up with a question from peers Watson no relation to peers Morgan because the first name doesn't indicate that they're related Yeah, it's a good point What's up my dudes just wanted to add the whole ps5 8k discussion for people I don't know there was mentions in the mark sir You wired interview that ps5 will be able to output 8k there's been a lot of derision about if that means a k games Which seems impossible or a k streaming whatever the case I just catch up I keep hearing people arguing about whether or not it is feasible But I have to ask if it even matters the human eye can only process so many pixels and pass a certain resolution and distance and screen Sides I can't even tell the difference when I hear any company pouting a case of board and actually pisses me off because it feels Like they're just trying to get me to buy something bigger and fancier, but not noticeably better anyway This is just my opinion. What are your thoughts gentlemen? I'm just gonna go about those human eye kind of arguments because like I remember a long time ago people feeling the human I can't see past 30 frames per second.

I remember this big set like actually really what yes It what of course there was some controversy when I was an IGN that a guy there named Mitch die or who left I don't know what I actually wrote star was out of front so he's that he's that he a motive now But he had something on a podcast to the to know something with 720 and 1080p resolutions where You can't even tell the difference between 720 and 1080p resolutions until the screen gets a certain size Which I think is technically true That's true But the point is is that people are all over him about this anyway, which they know it always is and so I don't dame to even try to figure this I don't know anything about tech, but there isn't I did see a case I think I brought up in the Apple store on the third tree promenade in Santa Monica They have a massive wall size a case ring there and it looks beautiful like what they show But I agree where I'm like I was talking about like let's see football or something on this because football 4k looks beautiful But I wonder if I'll be able to discern it, you know and I do wonder if it is marketing stuff Because it is true the human eye can only discern certain things there shit happening all around us that we cannot see so it's There's no surprise that we wouldn't be able to see like certain passes or resolution Yeah, but I don't necessarily think a case that tipping point I think because like I remember back when Blu-ray came out and I thought oh my god This looks world-changing. I can't believe how much but how many pores I'm seeing on Robert Downey Jr's face And then 4k happens it's like what Blu-ray looks really shitty, you know And I imagine and I imagine that it's probably gonna be a similar thing now like maybe we're just gonna keep seeing more Better and better. Yeah, I don't know like I feel like I'm gonna see an AK TV I'm gonna be like 4k looks like shit, right? I'm still rockin my 1080p TV from 2012 So who knows I remember seeing when I got my first last green TV at college with 720 I think and I remember putting football on for the first time as everyone knows I'm a big football fan And I remember I remember the moment.

I'm like holy shit That was like the one moment like this is insane and I was only to jump from 480 I to 720p and I was like wow That was it that was the first time that I was like whoa What is this I couldn't believe it I was like I can't believe I was living in this other world for a Wide screen exactly actually I was at IGN that people were making fun of me because I was so used to playing on a fourth Restream that I would be playing and I'd you have a wide-screen TV dude like and Hg my cable and so I was so poor that I had I never even accessed an H I didn't know any HDMI cable really was I was like so poor I was using composite cables and you know Because I didn't get a piece of me at launch I got it like when the slim model came out Yes, we had launch with an HDMI I think it had component cables. Yeah, okay So the slim is my game I think right okay, so it's the same as the same Because I remember when the HDMI came up came came out. I was like I understand they took all those cables and made one What it's very cool? They just do the first time do to say you're kidding you like it's so interesting there young people that don't even remember Plugging in your console through the cable jack through the clock yeah, which was a thing that you had to do with any S and S now the interesting thing about any S is that you could use composite cables on it Which is something that was I can't the Ns is so old like even at the time when it was released It was so we can all and they had the force I put composite cable like access on that which I was fascinating It is kind of wild, you know and so you can actually hook up a yellow and a red jacket and play it But yeah, I remember up through Dreamcast I was like I got my dreamcast I remember going to Eb This was in 1999 to get the cable thing because the TV I had in my room didn't even have like an S video Yeah, I had a coaxial and that was it so I played I played my Xbox and my ps3 ps2 through a splitter this weird like Adaptor thing it had nothing was just a plug to power and the coaxial the kids will never understand never So I don't know extinct you kids can't go extinct long and quickly enough is what I'm saying all right Chris that's all we have it is for this episode of sicker symbols I want to congratulate you again on your three-time defending champion for the snooker world championships that recently happened of course I'll say I'm really gorgeous.

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