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EPISODE · Mar 29, 2026 · 41 MIN

44. Leading Children with Relationship, Identity, and Grace: An Interview w/Kurt Francom of Leading Saints

from Walk Beside Me · host Brooklyn & Trenton Bird

Join me in this very special episode for an interview with Kurt Francom, Executive Director of Leading Saints.Leading Saints is a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Kurt Francom leads the organization and hosts its podcast, which is one of the most listened-to podcasts in the Latter-day Saint community with over 21 million total show listens. Kurt is also the author of Is God Disappointed in Me? Removing Shame from a Gospel of Grace, a #1 bestselling book.In this episode, Kurt shares some of his favorite leadership principles and how they apply to parenting. We discuss how parenting is a leadership role, and therefore any good leadership principle can guide parents in their relationships with their children.This episode left me with three main takeaways: relationship comes first, identity is the antidote to shame, and grace empowers. I’m feeling inspired to parent in more godly, grace-filled ways, and I hope this episode leaves you feeling the same.Resources Mentioned:leadingsaints.orgIs God Disappointed in Me? Removing Shame from a Gospel of Grace by Kurt FrancomLeading Saints podcast on Apple PodcastsLeading Saints podcast on SpotifyScripture References:Matthew 6:33 (Seek first the kingdom of God)1 John 4:19 (We love Him, because He first loved us)Follow Walk Beside Me @walkbeside.pod on Instagram and TikTok.

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