44. Unscripted Redirect, with Justin Bernstein and Spencer Pahlke

NITA Education Director Rhani Lott Choi returns to May the Record Reflect, this time as guest host, to interview trial competition coaches Justin Bernstein and Spencer Pahlke. You may know Justin and Spencer from Unscripted Direct, the trial advocacy podcast for the law school community. Tune in to this blast from your mock trial past to hear about how advocacy skills transfer from law school to law practice to life; the forgotten lessons of mock trial that you should resurrect; and how learning, practicing, and teaching are part of a career-long cycle for the skilled advocate. Timestamps & MoreTopics4:44   Unscripted Direct podcast5:57   Trial advocacy community9:58   Tough conversations about DEI13:11 Building a legal podcast14:48 Intersection of mock trial and trial practice16:41 Three important lessons from mock trial19:03 New practice pointers gleaned from podcasting22:04 Life lessons from mock trial26:01 Former students as colleagues28:10 Things unlearned from mock trial32:12 Why trial skills are important for all lawyers33:30 Misconceptions about mock trial’s value36:47 Keeping skills sharp39:46 Skills transfer42:58 Signoff questionQuote“The biggest challenge the jurors have is they weren’t there when these things happened, so helping them feel like they are there, they’re watching things, even if it’s just through the narration of a lawyer, is incredibly powerful and it sort of sears into their memory.” Justin Bernstein ResourcesJustin Bernstein (bio)Spencer Pahlke (bio)Unscripted Direct (podcast)Episode 5 (Adam Shlahet)Episode 48 (Ben Rubinowitz)Episode 51 (Rhani Lott Choi)AvaTax