475. Patrick Holden and Danielle Nierenberg on Hope, Collaboration, and the Future of Farming

On this special episode of Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg, Dani and Patrick Holden sit down for a conversation about the future of food and farming systems. They talk about reckoning with the idea that business as usual is no longer working, the fragility of food systems, and the value of measuring—and finding solutions to address—the true cost of food. While you're listening, subscribe, rate, and review the show; it would mean the world to us to have your feedback. You can listen to "Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg" wherever you consume your podcasts.