Hi, this is Welf, the Legends TV Talk Podcast. Just prior to recording tonight, the news was released at Stanley, the love and creator of Marvel Comics is passed away. We wanted to take a moment to dedicate this episode to him and to all the fans out there who missed the cell cell. And now on to the show.
For the last two and a half seasons, we've been working each week to come up with interesting and awesome intros. We've talked about ourselves, the legends, the TV show, the podcast, and God help us even Bo York. We've gone meta in a million different ways and you know, the legends of tomorrow doesn't even do this announcement anymore. Yet here we are, week after week, running pithy at awesome dialogue, talking about how awesome our show is.
And we always end with straight out of the timeline and right into your ears. I'm Bell. I'm Kyle. And I'm Will if I wrote this mess.
And this is Legends TV Talk. Gentlemen, I come to you today, very bad news. Oh, did we get canceled? The myth?
No, not yet. But, you know, yes, this is appropriate. The man, the myth, the legend, Stanley has passed away today. We were recording this on Monday, November 12th.
This is literally the day it happened. And yeah, it's reverberations of grief and sadness all across, not just the geek world, but pretty much everywhere. Yeah. So, yeah, I was.
He was a legend. And believe me, when I was writing the intro this week, I almost like, Jess was going to be like, we're going to have a moment of silence for the ultimate legends. But then I was like, yeah, and then a year when people listen to us, like, what the hell is this quiet? And then they turn it off and then they go listen to the flesh, TV talk.
So, but yeah, it's kind of amazing. I feel, you know, I think I'm the oldest one of us. So, I mean, you know, I've kind of had. God.
Sorry. Sorry. Jerk. No, but I mean, I was alive in the 70s and 80s when he used to do the voiceovers, like for all of the cartoons, like Spider-Man and his amazing friends, he started every episode.
Yeah, I do remember that. So I mean, it's just like Stanley has been like a voice of geek, dumb and comic books for my generation. Like, and you're, you know, we're in the same generation kind of, but, you know, like going all the way back. I mean, and I was trying, I was having this conversation with my daughter this morning, my stepdaughter and I was just like, Hey, you know, Stanley died.
And she kind of didn't understand like why I was, she was kind of making fun of me actually. I'm kind of like sad. Yeah. And I was like, this guy, and now I know that he had help.
Okay, he had help, but this man created a lot of our pop culture. He created a billion dollar movie franchise out of his head. So you know, that alone without him, I'm super here with a T right now. Yes.
I don't think it's the moment we fall for super here. I think it's a lot of people trying to clamor on and pick up some of the success of the Marvel movie franchise. So we have a lot of rush developments and things like that. But yeah, it was starting.
Well, I mean, yes, you're right. Will you help? You know, it's Steve Did I say did not relate it to Mike? Did.
Did call. Yeah. I want to be a bear sketch on SNL. So but yes, you know, he had helped creating these characters, but you know, his vision and, you know, his fight against censorship and the comics code and things like that really brought comics to where they are today.
And you know, he kind of started the whole making comic book characters be real and be human and have real human emotional problems and things like that and kind of like, you know, brought to light through the X-Men historical things. You know, we got like the Vietnam War civil rights, all of these things by putting them in comic book format kind of brought them to the forefront of the American culture and American pop culture and whatnot in the world as well. So yeah, it's a real sad day. It's a real great man past and, you know, I'm going to watch Marvel movies tonight.
I might start with mall rats. You know, I was thinking of saying that might be my favorite Stanley cameo. He seems really hung up on superhero sex. The fact that he agreed to do that is just brilliant.
That's that's so great. Well, the money let's face it at that point. I mean, this was the mid 90s. I mean, he had just I think he had just but edged out of Marvel.
So I mean, the fact that Kevin Smith is like one of the Minnesota and doing a cameo in my movie, I'm sure he was like, absolutely short leader. Why not? Yeah, well, so that was a little history lesson about the OG legend in the comics industry. Oh, yeah.
How do you want to say something? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I mean, it sucks that he's passed, but unfortunately it's all a matter of time.
Yeah, so I'm 95 years, man. Yeah, I know, but he is with his loved one now. So so that's a little bit comforting. And I mean, I'm glad I got to pay respects.
It's okay. I mean, I'm glad I got to see him. I didn't get a chance to meet him, but I mean, I saw him at a convention. So there's that.
I mean, he looked, he looked out to then, but yeah, I was going to be messed. Yeah, because he was 95 years old and like, you know, you'd see him and he's always very spry energetic and like, didn't seem like other, you know, actors or actors or famous people that you kind of like see throughout their years and throughout their career and whatnot, he just always seemed kind of energetic and he didn't seem old. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, he seemed old, but he didn't seem old. Yeah, the fact that he was still going to conventions at that age was really something. Yeah. Yeah.
And I mean, I don't think we're going to see his like again. I mean, the closest we came, I think was 92 with the image universe, but I mean, even that, you know, time is told to tell on that. I mean, it's been what 26 years now and, you know, some of them are still involved, but I mean, Stanley is synonymous with Marvel, you know, and the creators of Image are synonymous with their own stuff. But I mean, Jim Lee went and sold this stuff to DC and, you know, I don't think there's anyone, I don't think we're ever going to see his like again.
And it's sad. You know, it is really sad. So, you know, my thoughts and prayers, oh God, it's such a Republican response. But anyway, it's appropriate.
You know, my thoughts personally go out to his family, his friends. And to the rest of us in the geek nation, because I mean, we are, we are, we were his family in a way as well. He really did. He was in this for the fans.
So, you know, and the money. Get yourself about the money. Yeah. You know, press F to pay respects and watch more movies.
Yes. Yes. But watch a Marvel movie and go watch mall rats around. If you can't bear to watch mall rats and there are people who can't, first of all, you're crazy because their Kevin Smith movies are amazing, but and you're listening to a geeky podcast.
So I got to figure this is going to fall in your wheelhouse a little bit. The vid I agree of people that would listen to our podcast and watch these shows and the people that would watch mall rats are practically a circle. Yeah. So feel free.
Yeah. But his appearance about two thirds of the way through the movie, he comes in and actually turns the whole story around. He becomes like the event that kind of takes the story to the climax. Highly recommend it.
He's wonderful in it. And he, you know, kind of answers the question we call out. Yes. Well, he doesn't answer the question we've all asked, but I mean, he gets asked the question that we would ask, which is about Mr.
Fantastic and the things thing. So. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But yeah, you know, it's a sad day and it is. Yeah. And so, you know, but we press on.
We press on. We had a little brief history lesson there about Stanley and I think it's time for a history lesson. And now to listen to his time for history lesson on legends TV talk. All right.
We got season four, episode three, Dancing Queen. This one was directed by Kristen Wendell and it was written by James Egan and Morgan Faust and Kyle, how much else would happen this episode? The team tracks another magical fugitive to London with a new punk rock band favored by the queen called the smell. John hypothesizes that the fugitive is a leprechaun and it is posing as a member of the band.
The team attempts to scope out the smell with Ray earning their trust by stealing one of the queen's prize courties and discovers the leprechaun is the band's lead singer Charlie who turns out to be a shapeshifter. Fearing imprisonment, Charlie knocks Ray unconscious despite him prepping to defend her and steals his Adam suit using it to try and kill Sarah's Zari Mick and Constantine when they attempt to catch her and banish her to hell. Eventually Ray wakes up and saves a group by dismembering his suit via voice activation and Charlie is caught. However, as Constantine attempts to banish her, she shapeships her to resemble each of them and ending with a Maya while calling them out.
For not acting like heroes causing Zari to feel sympathy for it. Out of annoyance, Constantine casts a spell that renders the Charlie unable to shap shift ever again. Well, for me, I'm not a whole big punk rock band. So I know this is fictional, but I didn't know exactly when punk rock started.
So I always assumed it was in the 80s and not 70s. So it was weird. Why? I honestly didn't know that.
Something like that. I thought everything would happen in the 80s and it was like, oh, this rock and roll was in the 70s. Yeah, it was like a backlash to disco culture and stuff like that. It really was.
Yeah. Dead Candidates, you had to some extent the remones. These guys are obviously supposed to be the clash. Yeah.
You know, send up with Johnny Rock and all that. And it just, yeah, believe me, it was, here we go, my music geek. This is Will's music geek moment brought to you by Will. The punk rock movement of the late 70s was kind of, don't get me wrong, the music sucked.
As far as, you know, as far as musicality goes and being a musician, like it's hard sometimes for me to appreciate it. But for raw power and what they were doing in the counterculture and the things that they were creating, hey, you know, good on you, Sid Vicious, all that stuff was what they were doing. So I dug that part of this episode. But yeah, it was, it was not the 80s.
It was definitely, by the time it got absorbed in the 80s, if there was punk in the 80s, the record companies were like, yeah, Richard makes some money doing this. We should get on this whole punk rocker thing and put a ball on somebody. It really became kind of. It was very incredible in the 70s, you know, and then like once it's popularity increased, the course, you know, you're going to have the corporate interest coming in there saying how can we make a dime off this popularity surge and this type of music.
And so it just happens with every music type. Yeah. I mean, I've heard of the remones. I've heard of the kind of these.
I have one, I have the remones greatest hits on vinyl, but otherwise. Oh, I saw it live in like 95. So I mean, other than that, I don't know many other punk, punk bands, especially ones that came out of like the 70s. Yeah.
Well, what was your overall thoughts on this episode? I liked a lot of it. I had some problems with again, it's the Mcoffin of the week being magic. It does seem kind of, it almost seemed like there wasn't a real point again.
Like they're kind of moving toward maybe, maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe this new showrunners moving away from the larger scope as far as the season goes to smaller, insular episodes. Okay, I can get on that. But it just seemed like there was a little bit of, you know, it seemed like the Mcoffin of the week was used to just bring Maisie back to the wave rider and let her use her British accent because I really get the feeling she didn't like doing the American.
So, but it was definitely, I loved, I loved the idea. I loved the Queen stuff and all of that. But it was, it was overall, it was okay. It just wasn't anything like if I go back to rewatch this season, I'm liable to skip this episode to be quite, and that's kind of maybe how I'm going to go forward for the rest of the years.
Like if I go back to watch the season, how likely am I in to watch this episode or am I to be like, eh, this is what we can kind of miss. Yeah, this girl is going to show up. I was kind of like expecting like Constantine to do something with his, you know, music that he did with his punk band. But nope, just just a mention of mixed membrane that did.
Yeah. I like this episode. Will I greet either? I think they are trying to move away from like a giant central kind of like storyline thing and go with these individual episodes because it seems like what they've been trying to do is sort of input like, not necessarily a lesson or like a moral kind of teaching in every episode, but it seems like they're kind of doing something like that.
Like you know, last week's was, you know, pinning up your aggression and like pushing it down just never leads to good things as we saw with, you know, Zari like trying to kill the Puritan guys and all that kind of stuff. And I think this episode it was more of a don't judge array or magical creature by its cover sort of thing. We love morality turn, turn, turn. Tell us the lesson that we should learn.
Number three and the moral of today's story is Elvis lives on in our hearts in his music and in a trailer park outside Milwaukee. I'm speechless. I'm going to be a little bit more lazy. It does this.
Yes, exactly. Exactly. And because this is like a mission. I'm trying to find that bump by the way.
It's not me saying it. Yeah, we'll have a bump before, you know, we'll have a bump for the morality lesson of this episode that works. I like it. Go ahead.
Sorry. Yeah, but like it feels like that's kind of what they're going with this. And that's one thing that I'm kind of glad that they're doing, especially when, you know, we had our first two monsters or magical creatures were very much like, yes, these things need to go back to hell because they're murderous psychopaths. And in this situation, you know, the idea is like, oh, we just got to say the timeline, whatever we want to say, we're just going to say the whole timeline.
And it's kind of like in the flash in the earlier seasons when they would just put the bad guys in the pipeline just without, you know, deep process. Yeah, they were just, they were just imprisoning them indefinitely. And I was starting to get that feeling with this where they're just going to go, everyone, they're just going to send them to hell no matter what. And it was really nice to kind of see them sort of deal with that and that, that concept of like not every one of these magical creatures necessarily is this evil thing that we have to manage to hell.
And so yeah, that was kind of neat. And I like the fact that they're doing that and they're addressing the whole, you know, the pipeline kind of scenario that they have with hell and plus this episode at Corgi. So I liked it. Yeah.
So I said something about Corgi. I'm like, oh, that was going to like this episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay.
I need to get a tattoo of a Corgi with my heart now. I think. That was a pretty sweet tattoo. Yeah.
What is that? It's a Corgi. You've lost it. But yeah, we had a couple of two storylines here going on, it seems.
And there's a couple of different interesting things like interactions between Constantine and Mick and that was kind of interesting to watch. But the main plot line here was to try to infiltrate the group, the smell, to find out which one of those characters was magical. And it was kind of funny. I like the little gag they threw in there about the rice and then like ragging on the dude.
What do you think I'm a leprechaun? Yeah. I didn't know that was the thing. I didn't know the leprechauns had to count rice grains.
I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't either. The only thing I could think of is throwing shoes at it, which was like the end of the movie leprechaun where they threw a thousand shoes out.
The guy's just like, one of my favorite parts where they're like, I have to shake it. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to remember how the first leprechaun, the one with Jennifer Aniston in it, did they run a moment along the way? Yeah.
They threw like 200 shoes. Yeah. But too distracted. They threw all these shoes on the ground and he has to shite each one of them.
He's like, that's funny. It's classic. It's one of those classic stupid slasher 80s dumb or was that 90s? It might have been 90s, but even still.
Yeah, well, he was a great. It might have been like this. Yeah, ladies. Yeah, I just thought that was great throwing a little folklore bits there.
Clearly, not all of the folklore bits are real and work. Right. So there's a lesson to be learned there. That's not a moral lesson, but it's a lesson.
And so of course, the most unassuming member of the legends is the one who has decided to infiltrate this group. And who saw that coming? I didn't think Ray would be the one to see. Who's the most American out of all of this?
He's going to join a punk rock band. Yeah. Yeah. The one who is the least punk out of all of them.
Yeah. Totally. But you know, he needs a haircut. He needs a haircut over his long hair.
Well, no, back to season one. And he had short hair. Go back to that. Yeah.
It's funny because Mick still calls him haircut and he needs one. Maybe it's a double on hundred there. Yeah. Yeah.
It's now just funny. Yeah. And so yeah, it's a little help from the team as far as stealing the corgis and getting in with the team or with the band. And so that was a little fun thing there.
I liked seeing a bunch of corgis on screen because I have a corgi. I think he's over there somewhere. I don't know where he is, but otherwise I would have grabbed him. He'll be on your route.
No, he actually threw up last night. But he was cool. I saw. Yeah.
It's like the middle of the night. I hear this like herking noise. And then I hear a bunch of licking and he cleaned up after. Oh.
Yeah. It's really gross. But hey. Oh, why?
Yeah. Well, at first I was like, I'll crap. I'm going to get up and I'm like, okay, cool. Thanks, man.
I'm sorry. I've got to clean that up. No, because I don't even know where it is. Like he did that good job.
No, yeah, your dog is saying. No, I don't have a dog anymore. I know. He died in the off season.
I'm sorry. I thought you said your dog was not the person. I'm sorry. I can't go out any longer.
I'm sorry. Wendy's almost happy. She's like the dog. Because I mean it was a Yorkie.
So he did have issues. Like she would have issues. And P in the house. And if it's like, oh, it's 31 degrees.
I can't go outside ever again. So ha. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. her so she's like hey I'm glad he's dead she's dead but uh glad she's not here I glad she's a cute little stuff right yeah but yeah I miss my dog yeah you guys know you guys know now not my dog yeah R.P.M.E. but yes moving on to something a lot more positive yes Stanley died today she's already something more positive Constantine has a mother yes yes yeah it's a mother sad story that will translate to you yeah well this is going great yeah this is just and we're listening yeah everyone's gone so we get a little constancy back story too which is really really interesting to see there because Zari just kind of misses everything and doesn't realize what's going on until it's too late and kind of opens her mouth it's like you know I really really should have said panties oh yeah it was it was fun to see that sort of awkward situation there were like Zari thinks that he's hitting on this bartender and it turns out that the bartender is his mom and he never knew his mom because his mother died in childbirth and the bloke at the other end of the bar was his dad and his dad was a piece of crap called him killer which that would be a horrible horrible thing to name a kid oh god yeah his mother died in childbirth like I couldn't imagine the psychological damage that would do but we see like a really interesting I don't think this is anything the legends have ever touched on yet these are like time travel repercussions and like there's you know we got flash time travel we got legends time travel and they seem to be different right right because when Constantine tries and goes to give his dad what did he call it Manchester was it a Manchester vasectomy basically he was gonna kick him in the balls and I've been a man from having from having Constantine he is unable to do that he tries to kick him and like teleports back and falls on the floor so apparently like in legends time travel you're unable to impact your own create like you can't go back in time kill your grandfather right so so they've established those kinds of things which um wait yes didn't we have like a few episodes where somebody almost didn't get born and like yeah it wasn't like it's back to the future so Ray right or fire or firestorm one of the two yeah it might have even been both I think that was actually the guy I think that was the one who threw him across the room like he's like teleport I need you alive for something interesting so you don't think it was a temporal no I think it was magical what episode are you talking about what we didn't ray almost I like and not become like Ray oh where was alive still I was thinking more of Jackson with his dad like the magic but yeah well saying that the fact that he teleported behind him was the entity that is chasing after Constantine wanted him alive so he didn't let him not oh no I think it's I think it's just their their view on time traveling grandfather paradox yeah I'll need to go back and kind of rewatch some episodes or something like that to see you because I'm curious if they've changed that right I'm really interested to see if it's like a retcon of sorts in their own time travel rules it might be but I also think this is the first time they've talked about you know kicking anyone in the balls and I'm doing anything like that could do anything about like your own existence yes I think yeah which was cool this this whole thing about him just teleporting back was awesome that is dad that he was gonna kick his dad in the balls and then his dad fighting him which I'm sure he was used to because he was a drunk yeah well people like that he's not a fault of that as an adult though so that's you know yeah I got his butt kick though but yeah so that was a really neat little side story there and kind of closing that one out we had Zari come back and like you know you have your cynical Constantine or whatever and he's he's showing up there and when Zari comes over and tries to you know console him or whatever and he's like oh you just gonna come here and give me the stupid speech he's just like not that I mean and again we have another story is I don't judge a Zari by their cover and she wants to give him a picture of his mom which is very sweet it's very nice yeah someone to remember her by yeah yeah yeah I would assume he had pictures of her but you know not a picture of them together which is what right give him yeah so that's kind of nice let's see here so back to the main plot line we have Ray in the band infiltrating them and he finds out that the one guy is not a leprechaun it's actually Charlie who is the match what creature she's a shapeshifter so the idea is that the queen loves this band it's not actually the queen it's Charlie she's shifting into the queen in order to which is this is what's interesting to me about that is how does the queen not like go who's impersonating me and try to find this person I mean where's the queen at this point plug hole okay okay so that was a plot yeah busy making out with Dr. who according to the Netflix series interesting I didn't know she was I they had this Netflix series about the crown and it started Matt Smith's oh yeah yeah I forgot about that that's actually a pretty good show yeah my fiance loves it oh yeah so she loves anything British except dr.
who's the most quintessentially British thing ever it's almost really a thing ever aside from black at her which is probably a little bit more British and Luther well Abfab oh Abfab for sure yeah and Poisson she loves Python who doesn't like Python I have no idea what you're talking about Monty Python what's oh Monty Python okay come on okay now I know you talk about to take your key I'm seriously I was just close to hitting disconnects right here like your office bell I've always ever heard his old night I've never heard he called just Python that's why I was just thinking something else we're talking about quintessentially British television and the word Python I mean you should be able to get it come on come on yeah yeah we're not talking the programming language keep boy yeah so we're was I was talking about something we were talking about the British Queen yes Queen is a fan of the smell and she's actually yeah and so that was a little bit of a plot hole there that was you know I mean whatever it's not too big of a deal I guess but of course when Charlie comes out to Ray and says hey like this is what I do he's like cool okay whatever she's like you're not freaked out he's like no I'm a time traveler you know I've bought Donnie's orders in Central Park in a giant time demon when I turn myself into a giant blue stuffed animal and piled right into a blibian so yeah it's no big deal right now that's another one hold on let me get the time stamp on that 2936 oh yeah we got a we got a we're gonna use the the birds I use the strike as I did I use the strike last week for that I use the oh nice so I don't know I've got to find a better sound we'll find something this week if somebody's got one feel free to send it to me but yes we should just believe it with other courses that would be funny yes we've been re-awarding that's not oh my gosh if we can get no no no I will find a drop of the word smurf oh yeah here we go so that anytime one of us wears it'll cut to a smurf well smurf is a friend of mine well this is going off topic a little bit in college and we might have had if you watch time that you might get this joke we might have had a few sandwiches so we were talking about the fact that we think that smurf is actually the f-word so every time smurf that and everybody was talking about smurfing they were using the f-word and again at the time it was hysterical now is a grown man I understand and see the error of my ways but that was a funny one no it reminds me of the this is again very off topic but it's it's topical to what we're talking about when it comes to smarts robot chicken did you see the robot chicken smart episode it's basically like the movie seven but with smurfs yeah yeah and so they do the thing where smurf is basically the f-word as well and so they run with that it's hilarious it's hilarious well I did it in the 90s so we came up with the first and now I'm gonna say the robot chicken also there you go and yeah it was like oh man I'm gonna smurf it's yeah they kind of use smurf yeah yeah me too so so back to a legends TV talk this has been smurf TV talk brought you by Hannah Barbera the swear words yes brought you by the words but yeah so back to our back to the top of your hand here we have Charlie you know raving naive as he is you know he's always looking for the good in the people that's why he released last season's bad guy at the very end by giving her time stones she can escape and you know go find her on path and get a path of redemption and which we still haven't had absolutely nothing to do with getting his wife another job no which we still haven't seen her yet she's a series regular yeah yeah so she yeah it's kind of funny because you know the the actress who played Nora dark in last season which one of the bad guys is the actual wife of the actor who plays Ray in the show and so yeah kind of convenient there that he gives her an out to escape prison when she is now sees a regular on this show do I smell nepotism I don't know I don't know but you know yeah I will to respect at least she at least she wasn't Lois Lane and Superman returns that was Kevin Spacey's nepotism anyway moving up wait what was the relationship there we can be a silly they're not they're not related but him and what's her face Bosworth they did that Bobby Darren movie by the sea okay and they got along famously they became somewhat close and so when it came time for singer to cast Superman returns one of the things you know one of the rumors is it's basically like no you have to hire this girl like I just work with her she's amazing and she's you know and Brian's like well you're Kevin Spacey so of course I'll listen to you what could possibly go wrong and then we get her and then we have just her kid kill a guy with a piano right yeah super boy but just picture like yeah Superman never kills anybody his kid but it's son kills a guy with the eye but yeah that's neither here nor there so yes so Ray is joined the band he has basically Charlie's opened up to him and let him know that she was in prison I'm guessing the prison that they were referring to some kind of magical prison presumably hell I don't know because she seems to not want to go back there back to prison and the prison they're trying to put her in his hell so so yeah and so so Ray you know being the what do you want to call him the the nice guy the boy scout yeah the boy scout you know it's like well I want to give her a second chance and see what we can do about that and of course so he dons his Adam suit to try to repel his friends who are coming in to capture her and since she's a shapeshifter she just knocks him out and takes his shape with the suit on and starts fighting the legends which I thought was kind of interesting I thought Ray was going out there at first just kind of like yeah yeah like they threw me on that which was interesting and so the look at his face which is good yeah it was like the look at his face was was one that didn't seem very ray which is you know great part on a gosh what kind of everything right now Brendan I was a Brendan Ray and I was like no this is not home movies or Brendan small but yeah so Brendan Ruth the Ralph did a really good job kind of like because we're so used to seeing this typical ray face and then that was not a typical ray face I was like I'm gonna murder you Ray and so yeah she goes out Charlie as Ray to defeat the rest of the team and she is unable to do so because Ray comes out and deactivates the atom suit and then the and we get our first plot hole yes well second plot hole because the queen was the first one right right the queen like I kind of want to know okay you're in 1970s Britain how the heck do you know how to put on Ray's suit and if you know how to put it on when Ray deactivated it later we'll get to that how are you not just reactivated with the same voice you have the same timber voice you are his shape maybe yeah right but then how she did not that's what I don't know and that's what I was thinking about and that's why I thought it was Ray at the beginning because like it makes sense and she's a magical creature it could well no because the suit actually came off I was thinking maybe she shaped it into the form of the suit you know but so that would be that kind of power and then we would see it would have been mentioning if there are two rays and two suits one being magical you know Charlie and one being regular Ray and I kind of you know did that but that apparently was the case yeah how did you I'm sure it was I'm sure it was in his miniature form it went up he tried to put it on she stopped him and then started going away okay but he was in the suit when he came out of the curtain right with me I think so yeah maybe she's like oh cool how do you put that on it's like oh simple you just say this and she goes morning just max with the head and then takes it okay more head can I would have to be it but then why not say it after he says Adam suit disassembled because my guess with that is when you say I'm sick disassembled it's just like inert until he says another magical keyword in order to bring it back but that's my guess I don't know I'll allow it yeah yeah head can and accept it survey says go for the X you know doing this doesn't really help you guys anymore my my this is another side track but I'm sorry we're doing all these family feud noises and my favorite thing is when there's a question and one of the answers is you know related to human anatomy and just the look on Steve Harvey's face it's brilliant it's brilliant so yes and now we're down to the climax of the episode and this is where the legends have we also had we had a callback to season three about the disco scene that's true that was really really neat though I had almost forgotten about that episode and that's kind of how Charlie figured out that Ray wasn't who he said he was yeah yeah and so that was that was kind of neat seeing the the newspaper that actually like you know made it internationally this disco competition so that was kind of cool I like to throw it back to the earlier seasons I'm glad they have a throwback to season one though so that's that's good if we throw back to season one we get the Hawks and we kept the cold so and firestorm again so let's do it well as long as we get the captain cold I mean the Hawks were okay but yeah I like to have to go in season one that was a man and so yes so now here we are at the end constant trying to open a portal hell and Charlie is using the team against them by basically saying you know you're just gonna throw me in prison without any kind of rationale for whatsoever where's the justice in that you know I forget what she said to each team member does anybody remember that they were all my chosen oh they only monsters here are you basically yeah yeah yeah and so the end on and on a mind because Ray was like oh a my is a our conscious more conscious right moral compass and then everyone just stops what they're doing because yeah except for Constantine when he's like I'm keeping this open as long as I can you guys are just stuck here do something yeah yeah constantly it's like I don't know who that is so I don't really care yeah but obviously there's profound impact on the rest of the team and so it's like everyone's like oh she died no she didn't technically she does but she's not dead we can always go back and see her whenever yeah yeah and you know there's I guess there's the third plot line here we haven't really talked about which was Gary and Nate are now time goes so we got yeah before we draw everything to a close here we probably talk about Gary and Nate being time bros and the mission that they went on to go and capture a or I guess resolve another magical thing in the the Pleistine Pleistine what era was it something before the Jurassic period it was a long-ass time ago yeah and I mean round what I was a little bit after you were born well okay and I one thing with that that you know me being a you know nerd I wanted to be a paleontologist up until the 11th grade differences in the atmosphere differences things like that were abundant in those times and so it's kind of interesting that Nate and Gary were able to walk around there without any sort of problems whatsoever because I believe that was the time when oxygen levels were a lot higher which allowed insects to grow a lot bigger the atmosphere is denser and as we all know oxygen gets you high and so like the more oxygen there is in concentration in the atmosphere the more you fork the effects you feel and they didn't wear respirators or anything but that's neither here nor there that's just me science nerding out for a second I was I was maybe do I maybe there's something in Gary's time watch that allows them to to breathe the air but that's just grasping a straws here I mean yeah sure I mean if you time travel and you have the ability to do that I'm sure you have the ability to protect yourself from against the environments you're time traveling to so yeah I'll I'll give you that one Kyle for your for your head cannon as long as not space yeah yeah because you can't like time travel you know nine billion years ago when there was just a giant supernova remnant in this solar system and expect to survive there so yes we had Gary and Nate are getting closer here they're talking about breakups with Nate and Amaya and with Gary and Constantine and the Gary the Gary Constantine relationships is funny it seems like Gary was way more into that than than Constantine was he's like I'm putting a lot more emphasis on it than than Constantine did but it's always kind of funny to see that there I just keep thinking of Gary as Constantine yeah no guys it's me it's Gary but yeah it was it's it's they end up like a they can't find the magical thing they think they saw that somehow or just on its own but it just resolved itself yeah yeah yeah and it turns out though that it was Gary who took a plant from the police dean and brought it to gave to Nate as a an office gift and it turned out to be like a little shop of horse kind of a monster plant and yes yes now this is something you know we talked about this earlier about keeping Nate in the office would prevent them from having to use the the steel effect because being commander steel you know you got the steel skin and that's probably an expensive effect do were you guys thinking that he was going to do the steel effect during this episode yeah I would assume that he would have steeled up when that plant came around because all he has to do was just hold onto it as while he's steel nothing will happen to him yeah but they did show me that which is interesting so no I think got really messy I kind of I kind of thought about this now let's look at this other than then Zari's wind effect and Constantine's light show we didn't have a power yeah we didn't have a mix gun yeah we haven't had mixed on yet this season we just got ray shooting stuff tonight no we had a number of times okay did we okay yeah because I mean I'm just seeing a lot less powers yeah like period like there's a whole lot more of we are you know and fires right in front of the camera you know that look like I'm yeah but I mean it's just I've noticed that it's like the powers have kind of taken a real step down yeah and they've kept Maisie Richardson now and she has the totem around her neck but I met it's not the real totem and I bet it won't have any powers at all and basically we brought this human nothing who what is you know what can she do well it remains to be seen the ship if she has powers outside of shape shifting right I don't yeah I don't I think I'll see I was a shape setting and now that's taken away okay yeah yeah because Constantine getting irritated she was switching forms and committing them not to throw her into you know eternal prison took away her ability to shape shift in the form of a Maya who was Nate's love interest who last season left and so now there's this you know the reason why he was off the way writer like after they killed the plant thing and there's a great call back to the movie the faculty if you guys remember that movie when he pulls the handle off the paper cutter to go and kill the plants yeah I love that I was like that's a great great faculty call back there no one else in the world got that except for us four or three three of us and the one person watching or watching okay so six yeah six of us but anyway where was I talking about faculty he goes to kill the plant he and Gary a couple of lines in there we'll get you later but yeah so the reason why he tells Sarah that he wanted to stay in the office he finally comes clean about it and was because he just doesn't like being on the way right because that's where he and a Maya were and that's where they had this relationship and now that she's gone it just reminds her of her reminds him of her and so he just doesn't want to be there anymore but he's like you know after the shading is they had in the office you know he's like you know I think I am ready to go back to the ship and go back in the field but big problem there now this new match we have somebody with your girlfriend's face who's not your girlfriend but has your girlfriend's face wow what is what is that gonna do and so talking about that I think I think it's time for a little speculation so here is what I'm wondering how a how is Nate gonna react seeing the quote a Maya on the wave rider and B are they gonna use this as an excuse to keep Nate off the ship and keep him out of the field Kyle what do you think man I think it's gonna be an excuse to keep him up the way right for a little bit longer I mean he can't just stay in the time bureau the whole season yeah I hope not and Nate's gonna react like he's gonna run to her and she's gonna like hold him back and say I'm not who you think I am so he's not gonna take it well yeah yeah I don't think he's gonna take it well either I think it's I think it's gonna be like you're saying like he's like oh my god he's gonna be like overwhelmed with it like oh you're back he's like I don't know what you're talking about but get over you yeah yeah so she starts talking she's gonna be like who what yeah yeah oh you're British now oh okay I could get behind this yeah and so but see and here's the thing I think you're right I think it's gonna you know they're gonna there's gonna be like at least an episode or two where he's still off the ship and you know Sarah's gonna be like no no you're fine stay here he's gonna like what's the big deal and then finally we're gonna have that interaction I'm guessing they're going to try and hold that off a little bit because we haven't seen pop a bit we didn't see in this episode and so maybe there's going to be a little bit more pop a bit and Nate interactions before he returns to the wave rider but will what do you think them I actually think that they're gonna bring him on yeah I just and I think he's gonna react is as we said I think it's gonna react horribly but I think I don't think legends has never been wanted to keep it going well I don't think actually now I don't think Nate's on next week's episode so it'll probably be in two weeks or after the do they go immediately on hiatus after this next episode because this is the end of sweeps or do we have another one or two episodes oh the week of the week of the crossover we have a crossover so he'll see her there okay so that'll be like the legends crossover is their special episode we mean because they go back and do a bunch of things right legends of meow meow or something I think it's called with the crossover okay so it's gonna be yeah that's when I think they're gonna they'll see each other and I do I think he's gonna have a horrible reaction then he's not and you know it might keep him away from the way riders still a little while longer I think they like having the ability to kind of cut away for these humorous little moment's time that wouldn't be yeah yeah that wouldn't be appropriate if he was on the ship so that's just my thought and there's more to explore between him and his father's relationship that we haven't really seen they're not back you know peachy keen hey you know let's go grab a beer dandler baseball game or whatever it's so for those of you who want to wear Nate Haywood's dad is played by the same actor who plays Biff and Back to the Future and so this is just a great great great opportunity for lots of just funny things like that sound bite for example just wonderful and so yeah I'm thinking there's gonna be a little bit more interaction with with Papa Biff and Nate and so I don't think I don't see him back on the ship here for at least two episodes maybe on the second hope back like you said well like the quote crossover that they're gonna have but yeah I think you guys are right and there's also another little piece of speculation that I wanted to see and this is a I mean this is a blink and you miss it moment in the episode and I'm trying to remember exactly the context of it but Constantine sitting there and he's having like a flashback sort of thing he's talking he's talking to Zari after they after he just got kicked out of the bar that's right and he's talking to her about like something something's haunting him yeah after he and I have their like yeah their little moment or whatever you know we see in his flashback there is a brief flash and for anyone who saw the NBC Constantine show you know that many was an angel who was played by oh gosh he was on lost I will look at a real quick walking talking angel let's see here yeah get to hear my clicky keyboard oh Harold Harold new yeah yeah so Harold Para new places care he was also in the Matrix I was lost but we see we see a face and it's it he was in Oz was an odd that's right that's right that HBO he was the guy and not the guy in the wheelchair the guy in the wheelchair yeah and so we see we see a a face pop up and it's not it's not Harold Para new but my guess is that it that it's that it's Manny and that they recast me so it is gonna be many the angel who is the one who's ultimately hunting him I thought that was a really very interesting kind of you know maybe it was just maybe it was just a throwback you know for NBC Constantine fans I don't know but I mean it felt like that's kind of direction they're going with that how would you think man I think that's the route to I think I think they can get around the whole recasting why he's got a different face is just that he chose a new form yeah something that that John hasn't seen before so that's why it wouldn't recognize it right exactly yeah so I'm all for the speculation that it's many but I think we're all gonna be Bob when you find out it's not him yeah it's some guy yeah yeah yeah we're all gonna be bombed oh well character from a show that only seven of us saw but yes you're right that is a lie it is oh that is a lie there was over four million people watch the yeah but she's a thing there was over three million people that actually watch these that watch the show so I don't know why so I can't see sucks um look I like to be see this concert I think it was good I think it was great if Manny came back in that capacity sure they're gonna have to explain a lot of stuff but this is a this is Legends of tomorrow they have to like they just throw random crap at you and just it sticks because that's the way the show is working I don't know it's just it's just a random ridiculous show and I love it but will obviously you don't think that's many do you think that was just some kind of like whatever kind of thing I don't know because again how the heck can I know because the only man I know is like Manny Rivera who plays you know he plays sport ball down the street but it just it just choosing a character as opposed to creating one of your own which I'm kind of hoping that's what this is and maybe it isn't Manny I mean he might hark into it maybe he's Manny's brother but I think creating a character you know you you can't assume that we've watched just because we get all Constantine is on the show that all legends fans are constantly fans and you have not as I have not watched Constantine you have not engaged me enough as a fan of this show to find out why this guy is after him who he is I'm not having that moment of like it's good you know I'm kind of well go watch constantly no it's like go watch constant go get a subscription for DC Universe yeah watch it it's worth your time well actually you know I'll get that I get that but I think it's better for our show here that I don't because I could I think this is a no that should be really I completely agree no I think you should watch it and maybe after this season go ahead and watch it but I like your opinion I like your thought on that like me and Kyle having seen the show and having liked the show have a different view on these kind of things than than you representing the viewer who has not seen NBC's Constantine and so who happens to be constantly alone man he's gonna say yeah straight to hell yeah just straight to help one way ticket no coming back I was married for 10 years already that sorry if you're watching still friends sick burn oh man but yeah no will I think you're right it's good having your not watch constant in on all this stuff because you know me and Kyle we might be skewed because all that's cool from the show and you're like I don't know what the hell is going on because that's not something that I'm familiar with so so yeah that should be cool that should be cool well good well good yeah so so from now on your homework is to not watch Constantine until this which is good because I had no attention doing so maybe this will be hey that'll be another interesting opinion to like maybe this will make you a concert getting some of that constant in back story you might be like hey I want some more so yeah we'll see yeah that's that's bloody like well I'll tell you what is bloody likely and that is the best segment on the show is up next and is it where I sing the blues no no yes no no no I think it's time I'll watch the costume I think it's time for mixed for the week alright we got several this week because this is a pretty good make quote of the week episode so Kyle wants to run it down for us why is the weasel running the show except haircut he hasn't broken any rules you're right it's like a littance it's like a little hanging from someone's neck saying I'm a liar it's a little flag it's a little last for the little flag yeah it's like a little flag hanging from someone's next saying I'm a liar go ask for the corgi she's not gonna sleep with you haircut you broker you fixer we weasel make her not a my again so I'm so I'm so I don't Bell let's go ask for the corgi yeah me being I have a corgi and he's awesome and so I'm gonna say go ask for the corgi or she's not gonna sleep with you haircut just because make just hit the nail and head yeah I'm actually with you broker you fixer we still make her not a my well so and so Kyle you said you're with the corgi I know yours I know yours was go ask for the corgi but the you broke her you fix you broke her you fixer weasel make her not a my again but I do I do like except haircut he has a broken any rules so this is a split decision right he hasn't yeah well he has to read it he gets the he gets the deciding vote okay that all right Kyle you get to pick this week's mick quarter of the week so which one is it whoo you broker you fixer weasel make her not a my again all right there you have it and I don't have to watch costume t it's like ever this is like perfect for you you don't have to do anything edit yeah put in all the bumps and all that jucks that's true that's true and now it's time for our second or third favorite section of the show what our favorite let's just go with that yeah yeah yeah and that is the Nate quarter of the week and so we're gonna take those away right now it's time for the next for the week okay so to Nate quote to the week first one just two words second Gary you should probably change your shirt before if I or you should probably change your shirt before but shit there'll be lots of beef this week Gary you should probably change your shirt before Ava gets back we can see where your nipple was well I've got that's what I'm going for yeah me too yeah me as well so once again the winning one is Gary you should probably change your shirt before Ava gets back we can see where you're probably because I don't like honesty all right um Gary you should probably change your shirt before you but gets back we can see where your nipple was and I think you know we're gonna go ahead and say that it makes us the favorite section of the show but Ross review is a close second very close second and so I think it's now time for our Ross review and if I can and now it's time for the Ross review on the next talk all right we have a letter from Ross and you know what we guys were already at the hour mark so Ross we love your verbose's verbosity your verbosity verbosity yes thank you we love the verbosity however we're gonna we're gonna use the editing pen today because we you know it's Stanley or Ross and we love you know but I mean we love you Ross by Stanley so that's not even honored yeah yeah you know when when Dudley Moore died I think Prince died the same day or something weird like that like you know Dudley Moore was important but yeah so all right it was something like that look up Dudley Moore's death day and somebody else really really famous died that's a day that you're just like that poor guy like you don't even get that all right so Ross's review and he said I really enjoyed this episode I said last week how with the Tony traveling to 70s London if we were going to get some of Constantine's backstory and we did big time I enjoyed John and Zari's interactions during the episode and I'm looking forward to more in the future and I like Zari's new totem Fitbit we could talk about yeah hopefully this one won't be so easily removed it will it's like the Green Lantern power and just will be and he mentions how much he likes Mais Richardson sellers being back as a new character he's interested in more about Charlie her power is what a role will be in the legends he just hopes they figure out how to get her out of that discotario by next episode wink wink nudge nudge I'm sure you can help with that Ross okay moving on real quick by the way when Ross writes real quick anyway real quick movies about start because he was oh he was sitting in by the way that's why he did watch your video on a panel of screen sorry shameless plug yes absolutely yes absolutely 100% I really like the new time Bros. Nate and Gary thought a little shop of Horrors adventures in the time bureau was super funny also that's the third time they've referenced Gary's nipple is this a thing now I officially think yes it is I think we're going to get Gary's nipple every how many comes in threes for a while you know what it's gonna get old real like soon though it's it's getting to that point it's almost to the but if you go level of letterman 90s when he would just mention but if you go so finally speculation who's a guy that john's on his flat back we talked about that he's kind of thinking it's also Manny the angel and he cares looking forward to next week's Friday the 13th esque episode and as many swamp things references that can be made as possible there won't be any because of the DC universe I think so yeah I don't think they can reference I really don't think reference one thing because they can't say man oh they can't say man thing right they can they can't say man thing but they're definitely gonna say something about swamp things are gonna say swamp man you think no it's gonna be swamp thing swamped thing no they keep yeah they can't yeah they can't say man thing cuz man things marvel that was there but they can't say something right but they have TV rights for that or yes I don't know that they could say it because the DC universe app is doing a swamped right yeah yeah yeah so I can see them not wanting to muddy that water which you know one of these days we should talk about Titans because boy do I have I should do a Titan but yeah I haven't watched anything but yet it's not horrible it starts low it's getting to something it's a little weird seeing dick be dark but you know phrasing yes I don't like that dark dick geez and there goes our I think we yeah I think we're way out of time so but if you want to keep in touch with us what we travel the time stream here's how you can follow the show on Twitter at legends talk TV that's at legends talk TV you can follow me on Twitter at ring that Bell spell be a L L you can follow me at conqueror 89 you can also listen to me on the topic geek them podcast and you can follow me on the Twitter's at WR Benson but if 280 characters isn't enough to look at that again but if 280 characters isn't enough to show your love for a show feel free to email us at legends TV talk at gmail.com we also created a Facebook page to be sure to like us there at Facebook.com slash legends TV talk and that's obviously where you'll see us live every week exactly and if you like this show check out some of the other shows for the DC TV talk network supergirl TV talks start the labs flash TV talk in the eyes on the podcast and hey well you're at it check us out on iTunes give us a review and we'll even read them on the show and don't forget you can download all of the TV talk podcast on the sachael podcast player and Google Play and now introducing Stitcher and special thanks to Charlie Bach for making the music for our bumps and our outro music you can check out the rest of this totally awesome stuff at soundcloud.com slash Charlie Bach and as always you stay classy true believers