It's been a new year's season holidays have come and gone and you know what wait a second Let's just even do this intro anymore. We should just go like right to the end in our little catchphrase I'll take it off here. Here we go straight out of the timeline and right into your ears I'm Bell and I'm apparently not good at making bits And this is legends TV talk welcome ladies and gentlemen back from the ether back from hiatus and back here to do some Podcast episodes that we missed earlier You know what we had things to do it was you know, I was sleeping Respirating making fun of Santa Claus. It was a great time of year.
Oh, yeah It's been a long time. It's been a long time since we rocked and rolled well What's funny is that we haven't even missed anymore episodes because the legends hiatus is like six months long So it's longer than the hiatus between the spring and the fall. Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. Oh, man. Yeah But you know we're oh for sure. I mean we get some time to you know recoup and go to have clean up and Actually, I didn't go to rehab.
I just did something different. I went ahead and do I was like I'm always still up So I just started to do podcast. Well, there you go. I'm talking about magic the gathering I mean I decided to take the geekiness of this and turn it up to like 70 so you know I don't like that.
I'm not you can get quite all sometimes I want to use this boy talking about magic and Like you know play the Starks podcast Yeah, especially if you like magic gathering Just download it give me a good review come on people I probably need a new pair of shoes Yeah, four or five star reviews, please. Yeah similar for our show Yeah, I'm for five stars if you're opinion of our show is you know three stars or lower keep it yourself Yeah, let us know we'll try to fix it which we won't fix it We'll make fun of you on the air, but you know, you know, you'll feel like you were heard Yeah, I will make fun of you on I will but I pretty much always make fun of them We'll we'll make fun of you. Yeah, but we will also try and And fix our stuff and make it better. Yeah, we want to make a good podcast.
Absolutely out there But we're not the best but that's why I should talk that's true. That's true I think I'm not positive of this, but I'm pretty sure we're the only Absolutely, and that was late. Wow. This is really Yes, we are I think we are the best if not the only legends of tomorrow TV talk We're definitely the only legends TV talk, but I think the only legends to talk right we're not the only legends of tomorrow But they don't have to listen to them.
I have not listened to them. So yes, we're the only ones We're the only ones that truly true. Yeah, let's start a feud between like all the legends of tomorrow podcast hosts Yeah, that would go well. I mean we're like the ratings right like you know We start to speak rappers do it all the time to get publicity and podcast host Well, did you guys try that with Derek Russell if he won by going out with Brian Austin Green?
Yeah, yeah Yeah, he kind of made a whole podcast of Brian Austin Green and we kind of just got our TV back. Yeah We don't come out on the bottom of that. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, and these are all inside jokes. Nobody ever get you Listen to like start to let you just enjoy the TV talk family folks.
Yes, if you listen to the flash TV talking The TV talk shows are probably no we're talking about but those who don't I mean go to yeah My name is Kyle. We're yeah, do we have the We do we do we do have it and it's been updated what the TV talk about FM. Yes TV talk that's what I was looking for So it's like yeah, anyway TV talk that FM for all of your TV show podcasting needs We have all sorts of stuff again from TV talk we got all the Cw shows with the TV talk really like are we sure that Amazon or Hulu is not We're gonna screw this up. No, I don't know.
We're pretty sure they're good. They're gonna do great guys I don't know. I'm excited like I think it'll be cool. I'm a big fan So I might try like you know wedge myself into that podcast.
I mean I'm again Especially if the show's good if it shows good and so The rings was the best of that film franchise. Yes me. Okay, I will share that fella show of the ring Let's let's specify it was good. The hobbit the hobbit were awful I'd expect the journey was yeah Best out of those three yeah, that's kind of like saying that you know Wonder Woman was the best the DCU films I wonder what was actually good, but yeah Aquaman really good.
Okay. What we haven't even been on air since Into the spider first oh Let's go let's go around here. Okay, so Aquaman. We'll each give our impression so Aquaman has done positive videos.
Okay Kyle Here's my impression All right Oh Into the spider verse yeah super good bill it there was a movie about spider-man. No, I'm kidding I loved it. It came out right when I got the spider-man video game So it was like I was like overwhelmed with spider-man for a while, but yeah, it was it was a love letter to anyone who likes Spidey so oh yeah best best spider-man movie that's ever come out for sure. I don't know I still like rainy and I love homecoming I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm coming but I yeah, I feel like homecoming homecoming is a good movie Into the spider-versus just the best like homage and it's a great standalone film on its own, but it's also pretty much everybody Yeah, everybody who is a spider-man fan. So yeah, I think it's I think it's been the best representation of spider-man on film yet And I'm a huge fan of homecoming. I'm really excited about the farm home But yeah, I still think into the spider-versus the best spider film I've seen So next up Captain Marvel will your opinion I think that when I eventually see it I love it.
Oh Oh, I got three kids I got three kids. What do you want from me? Well, Kyle, what about you? What do you think of Captain Marvel?
I mean it was better the second time for me because of spoilers that happens that I don't want to talk about Yeah, there's some structural elements about it that kind of bothered me but overall I thought it was really fun and for some reason those structural elements didn't bother me at least much as I have in other films Maybe it's because I'm a huge Marvel fanboy and I like to just trash DC movies only and I will chill for Marvel movies all the time That's not really true, but I feel like that's probably what some people would think after listening to my Aquaman versus my Captain Marvel review on the panel But oh and you're and you saw yeah, I mean we saw a good tomorrow right with a secretary of mine right That's what we're talking about. Yes. Yes. Yeah, exactly.
I was excellent in the role the kid from from it chapter one was really good too Yeah, I know I realized it's the other day I was like where am I seeing this kid and then I saw a trailer for it or something about it chapter two Right using their own. Oh, that's that kid. Okay, good But anyway, that's enough for other stuff besides a license TV talk talk So I think it's time well and also just to fill you guys in this is gonna be a double episode We're gonna go over episodes five and episode six and season four And get this in there so that you guys can hear a lovely voices talking about the show that everyone loves and we'll be back in We'll be back in two weeks, right? That's when April first.
Yeah, April first comes back. Our release schedule has now changed Oh, yes, we will be recording Sundays. Hopefully usually on Sundays now So it'll be basically a full week after the episode premieres. So it's the release schedule is gonna be wonky right now fortunately Yeah, that's all because of me right totally a big boy job.
Thanks. Oh, yeah, really. Thanks a lot. Sorry.
I'm not working in retail anymore That's pretty awesome though. So you gotta be excited about that. Yes. I'm excited for you because I am as well.
Yeah, like holidays I don't know how you survive. I survived nine years in retail But now I get all these like like I get memorial day and like Labor Day and for the July off and like I usually work these What am I supposed to do? It's so crazy for me that like no one in retail gets the Labor Day holiday off when like Labor Day is kind of about like You know workers and supporting workers and like all the people that would get their need that holiday that people You know the jobs that are dealing with the most crap all the time don't get Labor Day off. It's kind of funny It's a yeah, but anyway, that's that's enough of that But yes, well our recordings will be a little bit wonky.
So we're getting these two episodes and we'll be giving you The week so April first will probably be a seven three four six April April April eight right? Oh, sorry But anyway enough of that I think it's time for history lesson Oh Just I'm gonna put Will Smithler except everything up yeah, well, yeah, we only get sued No, we used to we had a Facebook live show on flash TV talk and we use like 10 15 seconds of I think Missy Elliot and Immediately right after we posted the videos take off Facebook really yep I'm surprised you know what I'm also surprised about is that will has not played return to the Mac. Yeah, no, and it's We know why are you taking why you know Man, I know where I'm putting it. Okay.
You know what you stay there. It'd be like just the leader of the show Okay, you know now that you said it I feel Stay in your lane all right there it is Nice little little return into the Mac is there the Mac's our back we have returned and And excellent usage on the time there because we did not hit that whatever second threshold it is Talk over it I want it's okay if we talk over it. Yeah, the waveform will be different and Anyway, I Potted up and it's on the it's on actually it all comes in on the chorus. It's not coming in the big You know, yeah Good Lord nice Was that was that the Tugamo attacking?
Yes Terrible Alright, so this is a season for episode 5 to Gumo attacks directed by Alexandra La Roche and written by Kito Shinizu and Uba Muhammad and Kyle Why don't you tell us what happens episode? Well with Constantine still injured Sarah has Gede in look for Norah dark in 2018 with Gede In quickly finding a match ready goes to find her at a Renaissance fair to ask her for help in saving Constantine Norah agrees and is able to use her magic to heal him Ray tells her to run and not to tell them where she went but Norah used the time stone to travel to the tambiro wishing to repent for her actions The other legends meanwhile investigated fugitive in 1950 stokyo and discovered a giant octopus creature that has appeared on a film set The creature named I think it is actually called tokumo was brought to life by magical book which uses the imagination of the filmmaker Sarah and Charlie managed to partially shrink it But the tokumo still attacks a set make uses the book and his own imagination to create a heroine called grima that battles the tokumo eventually defeating it the legends confiscate the book and the fugitives almost escaped the bureau but Nate with a Weird subplots part C for this darn Plots and also the fugitives almost escaped the bureau but Nate and Gary managed to find a way to contain them with food Ava joins the Heywood family for Thanksgiving plot D Hank claims the fugitives are controllable and tells someone to go ahead with operation Hades Again with not reading this over again having run on senses and whatever This episode was a run on sin if there's stuff everywhere Yeah, you had the Tagumo or Tagamo or Talk emo talk emo talk emo talk emo. I'm trying to talk about yeah We gotta find out where the infosites on the syllables need to go so Tagamo comes out there and then it's like We gotta get all these Part of the Irish That's the funny thing is I'm not even drunk I know me too. It's crazy.
I didn't have any you know any other substances See it's well, it's well with the resume over there the Such a bad answer to get rose a is like It's really like it's a weird wine cooler, but doesn't taste as sweet. So I'm kind of down with it You know, it's got like this apple cidery taste but yet it's also like kind of proceed with C and it's windy I was desperate. I tried all the good stuff yesterday. Oh, yeah, I tried to Sam Adams Belgian L Which is really good.
Oh, yeah, I have a try that one. I just been I've been on a German beer kick I've been drinking some off-brow as you can see Maybe you can't see that but Yeah, and I you know judging my how this is going thus far I may need to go get a couple of those In between in between episodes where I see this is only one episode man. We're only doing one episode Well, yeah, I don't have a five minute break while I run down Yeah, I like it a beer. So you know what in your next house if you can make it so you're you know, there's a refrigerator right in your studio That's that's gonna be the plan.
I'm probably gonna be one of those mini fridges. That's what you're all man. Yeah, yeah I have a stop with beer so I can just like reach down like you know pop up for a second and then come back up with a beer, you know But uh, but yeah, so this episode much like our episode is all over the place, right? It's so weird you got the Thanksgiving subplot you got the the Tomago subplot You got the you know fugitive escaping which is kind of related to the Thanksgiving subplot.
It's just dark dark Yeah, saving car door. It's fair city Constantine. Oh, man. It's it's not a lot of happen but I mean again the main focus was the talkmo and The precursor to Godzilla and that's really all I cared about this whole episode was how they would tie this into Godzilla and they tied it in at the Very end the fact that he said the king of monsters in Japanese.
I think was was really good I was worried they're gonna have to say that line in English and I'd be like, nah But uh, okay. Well, I'm just like it does you know, it's been the kind of the problem They've had this season in that they put a lot in it, but there's not a lot of reason for it to be there Like it's not like it's moving the plot along. It's not like it's moving the plot along. Maybe I don't like the plot.
It's possible but well, there's There's something with this plot though. I mean going forward in time with how this episode how these episodes are Are we don't really have a big bad for the season? Yeah at all and it's well It's supposed to be I think it's supposed to be near on And like yeah, which we saw in the last one So so we're doing a great show guys So it's behind where the hiatus was where we actually get to the point of the big bad So this is kind of like a lull in the season really yeah Where they're doing these things and they're basically this episode was to introduce Mona and to get Mona a part of the show because of what she does in episode Eight I think it is her episode seven. Yeah, you know Really?
No offense to the actress no offense. It's not for this character is just not Worth it on the show. Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here? Basically, it's like I'm sure she's a great person in real life.
I just do not care for the character I can't I I saw your tweet earlier Kyle. I guess you're rewatching this episode and I was watching last I was rewatching the next episode Which is what made me yeah, that's a very monocentric episode. He's right. Yeah, you know Well, let me let me ask you guys should we go to the next episode and do that synopsis as well so that we can just talk about them Both back to back or yeah, that's a good idea Let's have like two separate mitt quotes and all that still but because there is things that from this that go into that so yeah You saw I would put a freakin be behind it.
Okay All right, so this is your second history lesson for this episode We're gonna we're gonna do like well said both history lessons together so that we can kind of talk about them because they kind of they kind of roll in together And so this is season four episode six tinder is the mate. This is directed by dean show It was written by Bill climmer and matimala and kyle again Why don't you tell us an episode good ladly nate invite take to the wave writer and give some of the two around the ship The legends attempt to keep nate from charlie because she looks like a mia but fail the wave writer detects a fugitive in paris 1927 ray visits a bureau in an attempt to see nora, but even rejects the visitation Although mona sneaks in a letter to nora from ray which nora refuses to read and triggers her Oh, this grabs the intention of eva who tries to restrain nora, but they end up getting locked in the prison cell The legends are joined by irides having way to hunt for the fugitive who appears to be a minotaur during the fight with the minotaur Hank has injured and nate and constantly calm the minotaur down But having way attacks it angering the minotaur nate confronts the minotaur who prevents his steel powers Hank picks up the guitar and sings the minotaur to sleep meanwhile ray rescues mona eva and nora eva shows humanity the prisons Thanks to mona and nate officially leaves the legends team That is that all that all that being said that Taps is for nate, but mainly for whoever writes yeah I really need to go back and I yeah, no, it's really really horrible. It's yeah Many times give a right minotaur in one paragraph. Oh, no, um, well, it is what it is So I get that one two three four one yeah four Yeah, but I always have to do that on flash too You know we pull those enough to see all the internet and I kind of rework them so that they make sense work Yeah, so they make sense and then you know they because you know reading something and reading it out louder kind of different And so you gotta make it flow better like these short staccato sentences don't really work well when you're trying to get this synopsis on the podcast And so yeah, we go in there.
We usually fix these things, but uh, anyway, uh, let's get back to the episode Let's go talk about the where we talk emo. Yes, we're talking about talk emo And uh, you know, it's kind of all over the place, uh, but you know we got to see uh homage to uh, godzilla the king of king of monsters the king of Gojira. Yeah, uh, not to be confused with the band gojira One of the things that I really liked about this episode It's one thing that we see on legends a lot is how they handle various time periods and sort of the Political you know sociological aspects of the time and it was really neat to me seeing the perspective of a Atomic bomb survivor being told when he's talking about looking you know Where all the people go and then he sees the people are ash like raining down on him like that's that's like a really powerful moment And it's it was something that I wouldn't expect to see in a tv show about time travel and you know finding giant octopuses and uh, Octopi sir octopi sorry She was And like you know fairy godmothers and all this kind of nonsense right and just to see that uh in this show shows with these writers Still have you know, they still got it. I think and we've had our issues with this, you know I want to show and specifically with this one kind of how they're sort of plotting it Uh, and whatnot, but it was it was really neat to me to see them kind of uh, you know talk about that from a Japanese person's perspective Uh, you know about what that would do to someone's psyche to to be witness to that I thought that was really really cool that they did that but um, but but yeah, so uh, and this ultimately was what inspired The well with the help of mick Lizards are king right to do god's illness.
That was pretty cool I got a little homage that they do in there, but what did you guys think about the uh about time ago? The episode as a whole as a whole aside from I think the main story line was probably the better of them Um, and there's just the crazy antics of thanksgiving and them trying to get the metric creatures under Under control and then we're fine and then noradark and Constantine Another subplot. Yeah needed to happen Um, but I think I think plot a which is supposed to be the part was supposed to be the main one was probably the better out of all four of them Yeah, I feel like the Uh, the food one, you know, the whole getting the metric creatures under under wraps and whatnot was more like an avenue to launch Mona into the series as a character and again, that's kind of what we're talking about like some of these decisions They've been making have just been plot manufacturing devices and they needed her for the story For the stuff that happens in episode eight and so, uh, and I guess to a less part, you know, episode Six Yeah, because that's when that's when she starts to kind of go in and actually loosen up protocol. I guess which allows Uh, what was it operation?
Haiti operation. Well, that that was that that was at the end of episode seven where I think um Operation Hades came into play. Yeah. Yeah, but again, we had to get the set up here for Mona with uh, with this, you know, the time ago episode I just what did you think?
I think the modus thing is it gets me. Um, I don't like her. Oh boy. Oh, that's okay.
I'm back in the window. Um, I definitely don't like how You know, she just what she still feels kind of shoehorned into me into this show into this episode. Um, you know, she's just It's just not what I would want to see. She's not some character that I like I don't relate to her and I'm a dc guy like I've been reading dc comics since I went It's how I got into the show really is that you know, I've got that encyclopedia knowledge going back way far like neuron and all that But she like I sit there and I think to myself couldn't they have grabbed somebody else?
Yeah, like animal man. Well animal man or or well, no somebody to do the nor apart like, you know, there are plenty of Other characters that are already established in dc, you know, obviously not nor but you know of that level caliber Of character there are the but hell marvin or wendy from the the old super front show i'd have been happy with I mean, do you understand like making a character like Mona who's just nothing more than this annoying hipster Like and it gets worse as the season goes and she's like all in love with some dog boy now and it's just I don't and I don't care about her and I hate to say it. They have not these writers have not Made me care what happens to this person originally. I thought she was just a love in trigari and I was okay with that But now it's like, you know, even like maybe not jimmy because you use him on super girl But even like jimmy, she's playing the jimmy ulsen role in this, you know, like the one who gets into trouble I need to be rescued It's she's annoying.
So it made me not like these two episodes, especially where like the two weakest for any of the season Um, you know, it's my first one was to record them, right? This episode was better don't get me wrong this episode had a lot more humor and a lot more fun the Japanese stuff You know, they did cram it full, but the way they crammed it in it did work to some extent They probably could have pushed one of the subplots off, but I understand they wanted to do a thanksgiving episodes since they had biff there and all of that I'm fine, but just yeah nor like Mona's just gotta go like please just just kill her It's it's yeah. I mean she seems to me like it's uh, this isn't over the top ridiculous show But she seems really over the top and ridiculous she's still which is kind of interesting because she can't hear it And hear you yeah from the 66 Batman serves absolutely no purpose. Uh, okay.
Yeah, she's an area Yeah, it's just it's so weird to like have this show be so ridiculous and so over the top and then to see her character and still think wow she's Really over the top and ridiculous in the show. It's already over the top ridiculous So it is kind of weird like I'm curious to see what they're trying to do with her because right now I just don't see it like I agree with you. Well, I thought it was going to be like a love interest for Gary Uh and kind of like you know explore that and have that maybe lead in operation Hades, which it sort of did sort of didn't but you know It's just I don't know where they're going with her. Um Um I like the actress though I mean she's she's doing a good job.
What she's got it's just the promise. I haven't really given her much to do It's like okay. You play this like crazy weird eccentric girl and you know, right That's that's all she's got to work with Like if they maybe did like a gender gender-bed buddy animal man to make her like understand These magical creatures better that would have been that would have been something cool because it is a it is then a character In the DC a different gender in the DC right whereas this where is this Uh character brand new character no DC ties whatsoever I get the feeling with animal man though You know what given how much they're playing inside the DCU app with regards to like doing patrol and swam thing animal man was one of the vertical titles When it first came out, I could totally see them doing animal man over there I could get why they can also use her for that. Yeah, I can also see now with swam thing they could they could use animal man Right, but there are any number of sidekick type people in the DCU that didn't have powers They were just kind of around um that could get into trouble that they could have brought and then that would have automatically You know brought her to a point at least for me and I'm trying to think of someone that would you know be able to do it Even a Stephanie Brown which I get you can't use but you know like like somebody like I'm like oh Stephanie Brown She's gonna eventually become a spoiler.
Okay, you know like have that hope and I think that that's something legends is lost I used to sprinkle that stuff in you know early on in the shows in the seasons And then somewhere around season three when they started making Zari and Zari's her own kind of creation It's like they're like well, let's just create our own characters. It's like no, that's not why we watch the show I don't want to see Guggenheim's creations. I want to see the the characters I've followed for the last 30 years, you know Yeah, just yeah characters that you know F list characters like you list characters that just you know Have fun with them characters that nobody like you know Only like you know your daira fans care about and whatnot or and just have fun with them and do cool stuff with them and give them a life Of their own outside of you know the minuscule existence that they had in the comics prior Yeah, it's kind of a shame that that they're not going that route But I'm wondering and will you brought up when you mentioned the streaming service right? I wonder if that has a lot to do with that because you know they're they have this new streaming service It's one of brothers direct or whatever DC and or DC directed so DC's like hey All those characters that we let you use on your shows and granted CW is owned by Warner Brothers But you know they they're also its own independent network and so they're gonna want to push people towards those streaming services absolutely Excuse me.
And so by by you know limiting the amount of characters that can show up on the CW You now have this wealth of characters that can show up on the streaming service And so I'm wondering if this is if a lot of this is to do with like politics and whatnot in the uh Well, that could be a source of speculation Kyle if we want to do it is like the news of what's going on with Arrow What this could mean for legends in the future and oh yeah, we're probably gonna talk about that Because yeah, there's not much for us to speculate on about these two episodes. So it's so it goes in episode 7 Yeah, we did it I bet that there'll be a doll that comes to life with pewey hunters voice I'm just gonna freeze, you know And they're gonna get different realities because Constantine Oh god, what is it? Sirens of Timestream Yeah I wish I had a big cigar All right, I'm saving my hair normal, but You know, I definitely think they could have pulled from Any number of those type of character, you know, I'd love to see Harold from Batman Like imagine him on this ship like the guy who opens the trunk of his car with a karate chop No, Harold is like this. He was this guy with a hunchback.
He's a deep kind of Batman that killed him in hush Was he like the mechanic? Yeah, but imagine him on the wave rider Like, you know, he doesn't talk and all he does is he makes weapons and you know creates all this tech great deal is character And he could be the engineer. Mm-hmm. Exactly.
See seeing that. Um, oh god. Why can't I think his name now? Oh, yeah, yeah, I would do You talk about because it's hard because I want to call him Jason even though they didn't use Jason Oh my god, I feel so terrible Oh boy.
Oh, wow But we got our We got to remember that we're looking for a character that could take Mona's role, right? So who could be who could be somebody who has an exhaustive knowledge of like magical creatures not because they think magic creatures are real because they've read a lot or It's a ton of yeah, you couldn't use the time. I'm sad. I'm good Well, does the tono or madam's gonna do have like Like a lackey sort of you know little kid character Jackson.
Sorry. I just remember jacks. Yes. Yes.
Yes Friends and like that's the actual name that's the actual actor's name But yeah, like, you know, could we get a You know, you're oh gosh. She was super friends characters again. Marv in white twins. Yeah, like a marvin windy equivalent Character but like for zatana or for madam's Andy or something like that like just a really like obscure kid's devil kid devil Blue devil had a psychic for a while.
It was the gopher on the movie set Eddie berry, Eddie Blake. I think his name was he was a teen titan for a while Naran. Oh, wow, actually that could happen because Naran messed with him and made him into a devil Like an actual superhero and he was he was called red devil for a while kid devil red devil Um, like actually wow, he'd be really he would be really good now I don't know if from what I hear there's talk of blue devil showing up in DC on the DC streaming app Like I think they're gonna put him into either swamp thing or maybe even do patrol. Um, I I'd love to see it going around.
I love blue devil, but he'd be a character. I think they could use like they're all these like obscure You know characters. I mean obviously they can't use any of the do butro which sucks because they would have also been perfect but You know, just yeah That's the point. That's the point.
I mean it's like you could be annoying if you were a marvin or a windy Like if I had known like since 1970s, which is what I launched it. Let's not discuss it If I My day we had to watch the super friends on Saturday mornings at 11 a.m. And let me tell you you have to like get up to turn the channel Yeah, it was horrible. My dad had a My dad had two officials.
It was called me and my sister But we uh, you know Marvin and Wendy here's the thing they could have got away with that if she was annoying like that But they called her Wendy or Marvin, you know what I mean? Like then I would sit there at least for me I'd be able to go okay Well, I'm gonna give her some because she entertained me all those years Okay, Marvin and when you were knowing on the super friends that's why Santa Jane were created But be that as it may, you know, you know, they needed they needed to do something different With her and I mean my god, they're having like 90 17 Titans. They could have brought in, you know, I'm like It just yeah, I would like to have seen that's just that she hasn't earned anything with me So she doesn't get the right to be annoying so then I get this pop when she's on screen Yeah, that's the thing is if you have that uh that history of being annoying little brat sidekick or something like that It does kind of like oh, this is the annoying little brat sidekick character So you know what to expect and right yeah, it's it's uh, she's so over the top with like her naivety and like all this kind of stuff It's just it's it's really, you know It's in a show such a legend. It's really hard to say break suspension of disbelief She's nice chow From the scott builder And I'm not meaning that in like the racial way she's nice chow Yeah, she says as annoying as nice was in the beginning of that movie super like super naive and like super, you know, positive and whatnot And in a yeah, well everybody's a hipster in some way not me boy.
I vote Republican You flip cards you dirty card flipper. Sorry, that's that's that's kind of hipster I mean, I've seen hipsters like pull that out and be like yeah, I play magic together I've never heard of it. It's only the most popular card game ever You go is for you go is for children You're maybe Pokemon you go listen they all came from magic. I've been playing magic since it was out 25 years ago So I'm not a hipster because I played magic.
I've got some all right now you're doing yourself shut up But uh, but yeah, you know there's yeah, there's uh As you just seen there's a lot of characters that could have used to kind of like oh prepare you for that She's going to be this annoying little character and uh and maybe maybe the reason why they're doing there They didn't choose a character like that is that they're they want you to be annoyed at this character so she can do something to redeem herself I don't know. I don't know where they're going with it. I think I just want to put it with Gary at one point And then realize that they you know Gary's better as like love sick. I don't know is it is it?
Gary and Mona are two similar characters. They really are what is it about Gary though that? Is it he's used more sparingly and that there's a lot of Mona in these several episodes because like even Gary was used very sparingly in these episodes Right, um, and you can't have too much an aptitude. That's the problem.
Yeah, I think that's what it is I think just when we see Gary, it's very limited and so you know you get the zinger you get the joke you get the gag and then Gary's gone right Um, maybe that's what it is maybe saturation of the ineptitude like we get that ineptitude Nyevety from Gary and then we get a double dose of it with Mona and then we get it from Ray Go ahead like Ray is already in that role for us and he shouldn't be Ray should not be in that role But Ray also is pretty naive and he's pretty it's like it doesn't need to be there like I like I think Gary works because Gary is the Cop working for the oversight agency who's kind of moronic and so you it allows them to get away with things You know because the the cop is a moron You know he's rascal culturing with the Duke Boys and the legends of the Duke Boys Having Mona she said yourself again. Will You know what Here we go ready watch this There we go I'm in the lobby All right I'm sorry will as you were saying But yeah, no, but that episode of the Duke's you know where rascal was chasing them But I do I do I wish that they if she had a reason and a purpose and maybe we haven't seen it yet No, I hope i'm wrong, but I just I wish she wasn't there, but yes I will go where to go. Oh, I'll still there. Oh, I don't see kyla my screen.
I Kyle are you gonna speak out? Yes, I'm here. Oh, hello. There you are.
Oh, you can hear him. I can hear him. All right. I'm gonna pull him back out because I don't hear him Good now.
Like hello. Yes. I'm there. There we go.
I pulled him out And we pull back. Oh, can you see me now? Yes, okay cool. That was weird.
I can see everyone. So so yeah, I mean, you know, I think I think we made our points with Mona But there's another female character on the show that is there's way more tension than we've given Then we give him own in this episode and that of course is the star of this episode and perhaps the star of the season And that is the three-breasted lovely woman Garema not to be confused with Gamora completely different Well, they're both warriors. They're both you know have off-color. Yeah, yeah Both aliens.
They're both aliens. But only one of them has three boobs and uh, obviously And one of them is alive. Oh, come on. Come on.
Come on. Come on. We'll be back. Hey, spoilers were For a movie that's been out of year and at and made over a billion dollars.
Yeah, okay, and on Netflix and yeah, yeah, yeah Uh, but yes, and so obviously in order to defeat the creature created by this book that binds itself to artists They need another artist to come in and complete it. But with the, um, uh, director his I guess my return to the mic in this case Yeah, uh, and so the director having Uh, vanquished his fear by writing what he what he was afraid of and coming alive Uh, we turned to mick and of course mick who has been this this writer. It's been kind of an in joke the entire season Uh, sorry got to read his manuscript in last year Yeah, that was the time the time we've episode which the flash copied this season They yeah legends that at first let's do first and better It was really good. That was a good episode.
Um, wait, who did it better us or flash? The I kind of think legends did it better, but that's okay. I just lost a step with me this year, but I won't discuss that here Yeah Come up to the forefront to write the ending of the story with, uh, uh, tamago Tagmo, tagmo, tagmo, tagmo, and then thus breaks his writer's block, right? Yes, which he did take a poop that morning Um, but yeah, and so, uh, we we have this interesting character We have mick actually come forward and basically admit to the team and he was a writer and he saved the day in that situation And uh, as we talked about mona, we have our uh, fugitives They were hungry and so they got fed and that was that and uh, the real big thing here was the reveal of operation Hades where we had Biff come out and say, you know that these creatures are trainable So that they want they have some nefarious purpose and as it's revealed later in the episodes We're not reviewing today, but have already come out and we've done episodes on They're using them for I guess infantry and some kind of war and it's actually a near-its war near-ed, near on, near-on, near-on.
Near-on. It's been six months since Curry's black Um, but yeah, so that pretty much covers this episode again It was an episode that's all over the place with much different side plots I feel that garima was the star of the show there. Oh, totally I totally live down that one And so I guess what we can do now is we can kind of roll this into the next episode. We'll give a little talk about that.
And this one I particularly liked because I don't know if probably a lot of people don't really follow Biff after the future, but he is a very talented musician. Oh, really? Yeah. He's had a big Broadway career I could believe.
Yeah. And his act that he does, he writes songs for it, it's hilarious, and a lot of them riff on Back to the Future and things. Say hi to your mom, fool. And he's got a song about people asking him about Back to the Future and stuff.
And he's a really talented musician, really good singer and performer. And it was really cool to see him perform in this episode. When they came out with the lute, I was like, oh, please tell me, please tell me that they're going to have Biff sing a song. And they did.
It was great. It was. But I'm going to tell you right now this was the problem I had with this episode. Oh, yeah.
Is that because they crammed this episode so full of stuff that it felt like they shoehorned in like they're like, we're contractually obligated to let Patrick Wilson, Patrick Wilson, whatever the hell is that I know is less than Wilson. We're contractually obligated to let him sing in an episode. And well, we've got an era oncoming, so we should do it now. It just it felt a little shoehorned in like the only other way because shoehorned it in more is if like you see Christmas girls with native on the tree, you know, it just it just felt that way.
And so I think that's one of the reasons I didn't like this episode that much is that so much was going on. So much was happening between the Minotaur and France and you know, them there and then the stuff that's going on back to the Bureau and Mona and they're locked in a cage and nor a dark in this whole it was just too it was too much. And I didn't care enough about anything going on, you know, that's just me. What about you?
What do you think about stuff? It was another filler episode. I mean, it was okay for what it was. I'm it's sad to see Nate's not be part of the legends anymore, but I mean, he's still he's still involved with the show just not and involved with the team just not on the ship anymore.
Yeah, because it's a fact costume. They did the same thing to fire the storm. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, it is what it is. I well, yeah, it's probably budgetary things, right?
You know, it's okay. So we want to continue to pay our actors so that they'll stay on the show. So in order to do that, we need to come up with like, you know, a bunch of pros will say that well, we can write these characters into these roles where they won't need special facts and therefore we can continue to pay them. And you know, more of our budget will go towards the stars than to say special effects.
Right. Yeah, which is why he wasn't steeled up for that whole fight. Well, you still have like two seconds. It was two seconds.
And then I'm like, bam, I'm like, that's not how it's supposed to work. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the thing about the show, I think, is it's less it's become less about superhero antics and more about the characters, even though they kind of run rough shot on a bunch of the characters, right, particularly.
Yeah. And but you know, and this was a character episode. We got to see Mona and Eva and Nora all kind of get together. And honestly, I think this was an episode where Mona shined and that this is the kind of stuff that she excels at, I think.
And he's kind of like, you know, this is it felt like a slumber party kind of thing, right? Yeah. You know, a bunch of girlfriends together and like their, you know, gasping about boys and stuff like that. And the way that her character is and the way that that character presented kind of feels like that sort of what she was, she fits in better with that, I guess.
It wasn't as grating seeing her in that kind of context, then, you know, seeing her just be, you know, super naive and like, Oh, there's a Baba Yaga. Cool. Yeah. I'm not at all scared of this or a Chupacabra or like it's like, yeah, it's like, how do you, how do you not see a Hawaiian werewolf and just be like, I'm scared instead.
She's like, Oh, cool. That's that's a Hawaiian werewolf. Yeah. And so I think I'll date him.
Yes. I love this man. This where man wolf thing. It's got Felix two guys.
Well, monsters are people too, especially where people were. Yeah, I don't know. But but yeah, so I felt like that was that was kind of, it was nice to see the character development there between those two characters. And I felt like that was kind of one way that the Mona actually shined and it wasn't nearly as as gritty and grinding to see her in that context as other ones.
But I disagree. Well, I think that having, I know it was contracted with obligated and yes, they had a squeeze in it and it's like you're gonna have him sing a song when, you know, near odds fighting with demons and stuff. So here's my thinking on this. Why don't they do a musical episode?
They should have asked you least. They have so much musical talent on this show period that a musical episode would be good. I think I think it should be a similar how we had the Elvis guitar with the death. During last season, if they could find a magical instrument or whatever and like, you know, Biff picks it up, starts playing it, can't put it down.
So it's just him, the whole episode is playing like, healthy or something like that. I don't know. But I just I think it'd be great to see more of his performances in the series because like that's what he's known for now, right? You know, he'll always be known for Biff.
I'm sorry. I know that he plays music, but it's always like your Biff. You'll forever be Biff. Yeah.
Even when he was on freaks and geeks, he did Biff things. It was, you know, yeah, like I love him on freaks and geeks. Oh, yeah. Freaks and geeks is great.
I'm going to do a freaks and geeks TV talk. Yeah, that'd be a really long season. Yeah. But yeah, you know, he's, you know, because he's really talented performance.
He is. He's like, you see his stuff and as well as his name. Yes. And they have to go in there and they have to do the back to the future stuff, much in the history of Granum Shore, but it's what the fans want.
So you got to get what they want. I did like Nate's joke, you know, when he said let's make like a tree and leave and then it was like, that's not how it goes. Was that, that was this episode, wasn't it? I believe it was this episode.
Yeah. It might have been the previous one, but I think it was this episode. Yeah. And so we had, we had a Salvador Dali was portrayed pretty well, I feel, who was referred to by Biff as the weird guy.
That weird guy was that mustache. Yeah. And we got Hemingway. This is, you know, we had.
The first year olds too, which I have no idea where the first year olds are. Oh man. Well, really like, you know, Ella Fitzgerald and Ella Fitzgerald. Wasn't it F Scott?
F Scott Fitzgerald and Ella Fitzgerald. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
Now I know. Oh my God. Because to me, just saying the last name, it could, it literally could have been anyone, but them not, but then you know saying, oh yeah, that's F Scott Fitzgerald. Okay.
Yeah. It makes sense. Because they were Hemingway where, you know, colleagues, like they wrote around the same time. Yeah.
And there's a massive drunk. Yes. Here's the thing. I mean, my AP teacher said it best.
And I mean, this is why I loved my APT English teacher in high school. When, you know, we start out the year and she just goes, okay, here's the deal. She was almost Donald Sutherland from Animal House. She looks at me.
She looks at the class and goes, here's the deal. Hemingway is the Antichrist. He's a misogynistic drunk pig who got lucky writing a few good books and we're going to read one of those decent books and I'm sorry I have to subject you to this, but just try to bear through it as best you can. Thank you.
But she's the best AP teacher I had. But yeah, I've never liked Hemingway. I've always thought of him as the, and I get he, he's important to the 20th century American literature. I get it.
Just as Steinbeck is and I like Steinbeck in, I don't like Steinbeck that much. I like of Mice and Men and yeah, that was it about of Mice and Men. Maybe the Pearl, but I mean, I hated Grace Arathic. I was like, wow, you mean, wait till I'm, this isn't literary TV talk I understand, but like, you know, but the mention of F Scott Fitzgerald, I'm like, yes, you know, because again, I like books, but it just Hemingway, it was like, I'm kind of glad we're there and I'm kind of glad they made them into kind of an ass, but you know, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. They did a pretty fairly decent job of like these quick characterizations of these people, but yeah, they could have made him way more of a dick. I think they did.
I mean, think about it. Didn't he attack the Minotaur? Like he was like, they almost had everything squared away and then he, he had to go and muck it out. He was going to shoot him.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, and again, Hemingway was a drunken buffoon. He was, he was awful.
Yeah. I like the fact that they had the, you know, Zelda grabbing the bottle of whiskey as they're going behind the bar. I did like that. Yeah.
But yeah, this one was kind of an interesting sort of quick episode. It was more character builder. We got to see, we got to see a lot of Nate standing up to his dad and sort of evolving himself and what he wants to be and becoming that person. And we got to see some Nora and some Ava and some Mona kind of, you know, exploring what it is to be, you know, the prisoner in second chances and things like that and a little bit of growth on their side as well, especially Ava who went from this, you know, let's treat these, you know, creatures in humane monstrous conditions and then she's like, you know what, maybe we should, you know, not be jerks to these magical creatures and whatnot.
Well, she had the best line of the show too. Oh, yeah. What'd you say? Who doesn't want to see a Ray Palmer love letter?
You have to open it. There's probably glitter in it. Yeah. That's right.
That is very true. That is very true. And it was funny because I'd forgotten that Ray was stuck in the glue on the edge of the eye. I totally grabbed that.
And I was like, how did they get out of this prison? I can't remember it. Ray popped up. I was like, oh yeah, yeah.
But yeah. So that's that pretty much anything else on this particular episode before we start getting to some quotes and whatnot. I think we can go to, you know, do we want to do speculation a little bit or do we want to save that for like news and all that with what's going on? We can speculate.
Yeah, let's say that. Yeah, let's go ahead and do our mixed quotes for both of these episodes and then we'll just talk about speculation until we sign up. It's the fourth week of week. Alrighty, for the first section of this week's mixed quote of the week, we have episode five and we got a couple quotes here because they're pretty good.
This is a good make episode, I feel. So Kyle wants to take it away. Yes. I was watching porn.
I take my porn very seriously. I was thinking about a fourth boob. Grimma was as strong as she was stunning and with her by his side Buck had at least had at last vanquished his true enemy. Fear.
And see. I got to go with I was thinking about fourth boob. I would have to go with that. Yeah.
This was a pretty heavy make episode. I was happy with it. Yeah. Yeah.
Compared to Tender's the Nate, talk about was very heavy. Yeah. Mixed on her. Yeah.
Well Kyle, what's your vote? We're going with the. I was thinking about a fourth boob. And there you have it folks.
That's your mix. And moving on to episode six. We got a couple on this one. There we go.
Yeah. That's like a lot. I think these are literally all of his quotes from the entire show. Every line he had was.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Just like who said anything about work.
Thingy goes. Oh God. Oh, it's supposed to be beep. Thingy goes beep.
We kick ass. Stupid autocorrect. I thought it was. Oh, impolitically correct.
Thought he blew up in space. I need a Marcel. So I want to say loot and welcome back ugly. That was literally every single line that Nick had.
I don't know. I'm torn between three and four. I thought that was impolitically correct. And I thought he blew up in space.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm talking about how he blew up in space.
Actually, I thought he blew up in space. Was mine. Yeah. Well, your grandfather's in here.
I thought he blew up in space. I thought he blew up in space. I'll give it to us. Thought he blew up in space.
I thought he blew up in space. We could skip Nate's because they've had one, but not be kind of it. All right. Well, we got some not necessarily speculation for these episodes because these happened and there's already been episodes after them, so it's not really poignant to speculate on them.
However, do we want to, by the way, do we want to do the Ross Ross did have reviews? Ross did have reviews for both of them. Actually, he kind of put them into one post so I can kind of read them real quick or we can just check out our website. We got time for us.
All right. Here we go. Time. It's only been an hour.
Look at you. All right. Sorry I'm behind guys, but I've just watched this week's episode. So I'll give a few thoughts about last week's.
I don't know. I realized then where he was going, but I'm like, I just watched this week. So I'm going to give you thoughts of last week. Okay.
I like how they changed the title cards for this episode being said in Japan. Yes, I noticed that doing a huge monster episode. It made total sense to feature Ishiro Honda and pay homage to his work. Make suggestion at the end that Lizards are king was class.
I can't believe we missed that one by the way. Oh, yeah. I noticed that up until the legends arrive, all the other cast members and extras are speaking Japanese, which I thought was a clever fourth wall moment for the audience. As we don't understand the language until they arrive with their translator, I speak fluent Japanese.
Ross, why would you assume I don't? I'm just kidding. I like how the mystery, which is what I'm calling them mystery. Like the word myth and mystery mixed together.
I just actually when I read mystery, I think to myself, okay, somebody's got a list. But anyway, I like how the mystery. Oh, God, I read that sound bad. Mystery.
All right. I like how the mystery. All right. I like how the mystery.
I'm going to say mystery. I think wasn't the cock, the, the gumo itself, but the. Cockmo co-mo, wasn't the cockmo itself, but the byproduct of a magical book. I'm the Bible.
All right. I'm so glad we get another reference to mix works as an author. I was got a thought taken aback when we see his creation, Garima, brought to life and how he interacts with it. Essentially, he made out with his own imagination.
Stay classy guys. And what do we all? I mean, come on. Do you have the power to like write your imagination?
All right. So moving on to his next one. He went the next time he was like time grows adventure with hilarious and I'm really enjoying the character of Mona. And I'm looking forward to seeing more of her this season.
You literally the only one. What is project 80s? Good question. My guess is a manufactured version of hell where Hank's superiors plan to move the capture creatures to where inevitably it all goes wrong.
Kevin in the wood style. I think that has a lot to do with neuron the fact that they're mentioning neuron and project 80s. I don't think is an accident. Personally, but you know, that's it.
But those are the Ross things. Thank you, Ross. We love your letters. We miss them.
Please write in more when we start back up in two weeks, but you know, you know, I guess we can move on to the news and speculation. So yes, but thank you again, Ross. That was awesome. We very much appreciate you.
It's time for news. All right. All right. So yeah, I get speculation this week since we've, you know, the episodes have already happened after you, but we have a big shake up in the world of the Arrowverse.
And that is, of course, I guess beforehand is that we're renewed. Yes, we are renewed for season five. Yes, nobody knows how long yet and given the arrow and given the arrow news. Yeah, then into arrow.
Yeah. And so the yeah, so let's do those renewed. That's great. Arrow was also renewed.
That's great. But it will be its last season and it will only have 10 episodes. Arrow that was not let's error. Yes.
And so this is this is a big thing. It's a huge thing. Nobody's really you can say people saw this coming. I kind of felt it was coming.
But you know, they've told a lot of stories in this universe and really it's kind of gone to the flash and Supergirl and Black Lightning, although that's not really connected to the universe, which it may be after the crisis. But yeah, this is a really big shake up here and it's been some might argue a long time coming. But what do you guys think? Will, what did you think when you heard this news?
I'm okay with it. Here's the thing. They have. They have told every possible Arrow story they could unless they were going to make him the real Oliver Queen, which is, you know, a little bit more light, a little bit more fluffy, a little bit more social justice warrior, you know, like the Oliver Queen.
I can't find my leisure. My war is a drug at it. You know, calling him corporate fat cats and getting pissed off at the league living in a satellite whether people on Earth, you know, like unless they were going to go that route, like you've kind of told all the Oliver Queen stories you can. All right, how much further can it go?
At the end of the day, I think this is for the best for the entire universe. I think that flash will be next and it might be next year because I think flash is starting to get a little bit. We've kind of done this before, you know? And the legends is going to be in the same boat.
I don't suspect legends is going to last. I don't think legends will make it past 13 or 14 episodes next year. And then I think they will use that to wrap it up unless they're going to use now, unless after the crisis, they're going to use the legends to explore the new Earth, you know, like to be our lens into what they've done from crisis, which would mean probably holding legends back until second half of the year. And I would be okay with that.
Like, that's how you introduce us to this new world you created. Great. Absolutely. Other than that, though, I mean, really we're kind of, you know, especially if DCU is going to take all of the characters, you know, from the in C level, you know, what are they going to do?
Yeah, I think that's the big question, though, is what is the DC streaming service going to do? And that's, you know, really going to impact a lot of what we see, I think. And the same thing with Marvel, right? The cancellation of all the Daredevil and every single of the Marvel TV shows, because guess what?
Disney wants to stream their own stuff. And so I can guarantee you that had that was the reason why it was so tangible. That was everything to do with it. Absolutely.
And I feel like the cancellation of Arrow might have been a lot to do. It's granted that they've told a lot of stories. There's not a lot of stuff to tell with that. But the cancellation of Arrow probably had a lot to do with the TV service and then wanted to get the rights back to those characters so they can do their own stuff.
Well, I don't think the rights are still theirs. I think they just, I think Steven Amell is done. I think he's like, listen, I'm done. Oh, yeah.
His contract was up after like what season eight. So it, so then, and then they kind of really foresee a show about Oliver Queen without Oliver Queen. Yeah. Yeah.
So they, they're ending it and it's, and at least a show's getting the opportunity to wrap everything up, which most shows don't get that choice. Don't get that opportunity. Yeah. It's either.
Well, hang on. It's just a whole thing. Well, now with your whole thing, like what you and Bo talked about last week with like how a how Arrow is not the cataclysm, is not really the start of the Arrowverse, which I do believe it is with hit with with these 10 episodes, then leading up to crisis. I think that could very well happen.
Like episode nine of the season is the series finale of Arrow, but then have a special 10th episode of crisis and then them being killed off, taken away, doing something to send him off. I think they'll kill him in nine. I think 10 will be the repercussions. That'll be the fallout.
We'll get the we'll get the funeral. And then at the end of it, we'll see a character standing there in Hill Police Hood down and it's Oliver Queen and he didn't really die and see and end of the show. I'm laying that out there right now. I don't think they'll kill kill Arrow.
I think he'll kill him. I think they will, but I think that not I will be will be very surprised if nine is not the crisis episode and 10 is the fallout, you know, and that's your season for the series finale. I don't think they should. I don't think Arrow should be able to end on its own.
It should not be part of a crossover. So their last episode should not be a part of crisis. Their last episode should be their own thing where they say goodbye to their fans. Like and I think anything else is a disservice to the people that have been watching Arrow for years personally.
It's going to be interesting to me because like usually I think with crisis, you know, we have multiple Earths and stuff and I like what you said well about exploring the different Earths. Yeah. I think that could be a cool avenue for legends, but I think what they're going to do is consolidate these universes. In a new year, new Earth.
Yeah, because because right now in Arrow, they are doing a flash forward story in where they're going to 2040. So it's two years before they meet like the legends meet up with Zari and nine years before the season one episode, Star City 2049 with Connor Hawk. Now Connor Hawk John Diggle Jr. does appear in Star City 2040, which I think is pretty awesome.
But they also they really have not alluded to where Oliver Queen is yet. So and they have not they have not talked about any other heroes besides the ones that are currently on Arrow. So this is all taking so it's all taking place before anything to do with crisis. And like I said last year or when we finished up, you know, our podcast, I would love to see or when we did crisis, I think it was a crisis podcast.
I would like to see them take the DC universe shows and Smallville and Batman 66. Don't put the word in the tights dear God don't put the word in the tights. But you know, the rest of them, I'd like to see them take them all and smash it. We've got him out got him.
Say where it is. But God, but everything else. I would love to see them so that yes, there is one universe and so that the Doom Patrol and Teen Titans or Titans and all that are still on this because then imagine taking these shows which the CW, I mean, they don't get the streaming rights after they're done. They do go to the DC app.
So it's going to switch over to there. Like imagine having it all be one universe over there. I'm down with that. And then have the legends explore the timeline of this new.
Maybe that's what they'll do. They'll explore the timeline of this new earth. So yeah, and just kind of see what's up with that. Yeah, right.
Yeah, I think what they're kind of my feelings is they're going to do a consolidation and we're going to have what is effectively the Trinity for the Arovers instead of, you know, Wonder Woman, Batman Superman, we're going to have the Flash Supergirl and Batman. That's going to kind of be our Trinity and we'll see a lot more interactions with them maybe in the following seasons, which I think would be cool. There's so many characters on Flash and Bill and I have talked about this that are just kind of falling out of relevance with rumors that Cisco Valdez is leaving. Well, he is.
Yeah. Yeah. So he's going to be gone. Wait, that's been confirmed.
Yeah, I think he confirmed it on Twitter. Yeah. And so who knows what's going to happen? Caitlin because there's, it looks like they're going to turn into a villain.
It really doesn't. Which doesn't make any sense, but that's just. Yeah. Yeah.
And so I mean, I'm not quite sure, but like I think it would be neat if we can kind of stop focusing on all these like ancillary characters and maybe like don't start with with Flash and Supergirl. Let Batgirl kind of build up or Batwoman build up her. Girl gallery and her world. Yeah.
And her world. And then, you know, after her first season, second season, maybe we can start having superhero team ups and have them all fight together. Right. So do you think you think I'm Batman?
Well, it does happen. Right. They have to do Joker's daughter. I mean, I got to figure they're going to use her because that gives them a Joker without giving them a Joker.
Well, they kind of already have a Joker with Alice. Okay. But not in this. Yeah.
It's going to be the same way that like there is like Alice is an actual Joker. Joker. It's just that that's her. That's her Joker.
Right. That's Kate Kane's Joker. Okay. I don't read a lot of Batwoman.
You know. I'm not too familiar. Which one I'm kind of excited like that's why I want them to build up her universe because I don't really know a lot about Kate Kane. Me too.
Right. Or you can't. Right. Or is it?
No, she is Kate Kane and in Batman, she used to be Cathy Kane. Okay. Okay. Back in the day.
Yeah. I think it'll be cool to learn about this here in the same way that like I didn't know too much about it. But so yeah, it'll be fun to learn about her in the universe context through that show. But I would really think that like once you get to a certain point, you got all these extra characters and all this kind of stuff and it's just, can we just do like some Justice League show or something?
I don't know. Yeah. I think that that's kind of where they can go with that. Yeah.
As opposed to having like the Flash and Team Flash. Let's just have a Flash and Supergirl and Batwoman and Green Lantern and whatever. And you have a core like your core group, your core group and explore those characters further without having to deal with exploring and silly characters all the time. Yeah.
And you don't have to worry about. We have to write a story arc for, you know, the rest of Team Supergirl. We have to write a story arc for the rest of Team Flash is just we can build the Flash's character in context with other superheroes. I think the problem that I'm finding with a lot of these DC TV talk shows or TV shows is the like Flash I think is losing because of the overwhelming need to have an overarching of the season.
And I've said this before in the last couple of seasons, like go back to Flash beating up on Rokes. Like he's not like all he does is quote unquote save the world level stuff. He doesn't stop bank robberies. He doesn't like Flash used to be like a street level kind of meta.
He's like, is there a bank robbery with a guy with a mirror? I'm gonna go stop him. Like it's not always like the end of the world is happening if I don't speed around something. So you know, it's just, and I think that's what's missing and I don't know that the writers of Flash, the TV show know how to write Flash like that, you know.
Yeah. Yeah. And I think one of the bigger issues too is it's 23 episode seasons. Yeah.
When you have that many episodes, you have to fill up so much stuff and it would just be so great if we get episodes really concise. And I think if you want to do an overarching story, then you could do it with 10 episodes. You could. All they have to do, there's a long enough hiatus in the in the winter.
Why isn't it two 12 or 11 and a 12? Like why not go that route? Why not go smaller level stories? They could do it.
They just I don't think they know how I don't think they're afraid of it. Maybe CW is like, no, no, no man, this is a real life thing has been working for us. Let's not mess with anything. It's just it is.