5: Dune Review

Hello, welcome to another episode of Somewhere Between, Somewhere Between a Film and TV Podcast. We are your host, I am Daniel Para. And I'm Rowan Trejo. And we're talking about another big movie this week.

I'm super excited to talk about it. We've been mentioned it on previous episodes. We're talking about Dune. Hey, Rowan.

Dune. How you doing? Were you saving that? Yes.

I thought about it this morning, and I was like, I gotta do it. If you're not familiar with us, number one, thank you so much for listening. If this is your first time, what we like to do is imagine you're walking out of a movie. You want to talk about it with your friends.

You'll get a little bit off topic, but eventually you'll circle back around. That's what we like to do. The first half of this will be spoiler free, and then we'll tell you there'll be a spoiler section. And we'll get into that.

But coming off of, what was his last movie, Blade Runner 2049, Dune, via Nove, making yet another sci-fi epic, we're both familiar with his work in different ways, and doing in general. I want to ask you, Erwin, did you have any familiarity with the source material, and what are your thoughts on Dune, via Nove, overall? I don't know how pronounced his name at all. Every time I see his name, I'm so excited to see another movie of his.

But at the same time, I don't have to pronounce it. But I love all the movies he's directed so far, which is what, Arrival, Prisoners, Blade Runner 2049. So of course, I see him hit a new project I'm excited about. But I didn't even think about Dune at all.

All I know was all these famous actors were all coming together. That's one thing I was like, whoa, this cast is insane. Yeah, when the casting had been originally announced, I was almost excited for it. Because Josh Brolin is an Oscar Isaac Zendaya, which we'll get into that.

Rebecca Ferguson, it's just like Timothy Shalem. All these names that are just the most popular people right now. And my familiarity with Dune via Nuev, Venev, Venev, Venev, Venev. He's one of those, like you said, I think his name, for me.

He's the Christopher Nolan, Wes Anderson. You see the name. You're like, I need to see that. I don't need to know what it's about yet.

I just know, Paul Tom Sanderson's another one. Oh, yeah, the liquor is pizza. I need to see the pizza. Yeah, it looks so good, right?

I'm super excited for that. And I'd always gone back and forth between what my favorite movies of his are, Between Prisoners and Blade of the 2049. I adore that both of those so much arrival is perfect. He's Sicario.

Oh my god. This guy is just like, over the past decade. Honestly, it's insane that that person's been able to accomplish so much in like so little time. I don't think he's made anything I've disliked yet.

There is just somewhere I'm like, I've just happened to watch some more than others. Like, I've definitely seen Prisoners the most, I think. But that's just because I want to say it was the first of his I saw. And going into Dune, did you read the book?

Did you know anything about the David Lynch movie? Or were you just going in completely? Oh, I don't know a lot about this. Or what were your thoughts?

I knew about the movie. I remember seeing scenes of it. But it's probably just because it's something I've probably seen from other people talking about that movie. Or it's just something that's brought up in social media.

But I knew about that movie. But I haven't heard anything about it as well. I knew that I was agreeing something where David Lynch wanted to do better from that. I just wanted to go give another chance in a way, because he didn't really have that chance to do it in this one.

Or like the old one? Yeah. It has a whole, Dune as a whole, has a whole history. There's a mini series from I believe 2002.

I want to say that adapted his novel to less than favorable reception. There was a, I think, also another sequel, mini series to that. But then there's the David Lynch one. And there's a documentary about Jodorowsky's Dune that people go to.

But a lot of people specifically reference the David Lynch movie, and David Lynch himself is not a fan of it. If I was into that like Alien 3, David Fincher category, if I do not associate me with that movie. But you made it. You're like, yeah, this is your work pale.

I'm going to need some. You're like, if I turned it in an essay, I got a bad gradle. This isn't mine. No, no, no.

I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't make this. And then it's just like the complete opposite, where it's like a movie that gets one reviewed and everything. Yeah, that's my work.

It's like, but sir, you didn't bring it. No, but it's mine. Like in high school, I, a friend of ours, Steven, I copied one of his projects. Don't tell anybody for what was it, like, AP Geography or something like that.

And he got a 97. I got a 101. And we forget what you're like, you know, I just did his work better. You know.

My name is just Clea. I wrote my name more allegedly. That's not true. I have terrible handwriting.

But I want to ask you what, I guess, what were your overall thoughts on this? I have mine. And we have this role right now where we do not tell each other what we think before we go into something. Because like, after we've seen something, because we think it'd make it much more interesting.

So I'm going to ask everyone, what did you think of Denis Villanuve's Dune? Dune, we're like, OK, I don't know what's going on with that. I loved it. You could have said Dune your mom.

Why would I? No, that was OK. I don't know. Dune your mom.

No, I love this movie. Just from the beginning to the very end, I was like hooked. Like, I did not feel like the link. I did not feel the link to that movie at all.

I love that so much. Because I don't know, like lately, we get a lot more like, you know, more than two and a half hours. Three hours. And even then, it's like, now it's like, you don't really feel that.

But I guess it goes to show how much effort the writers and the producers and directors and everything. Being able to, OK, what is going to keep the audience hooked throughout the entire movie? And that's how I felt. Just from the beginning to end.

And I also, because when it comes to introducing like a different world and everything, of course, it's going to happen where a lot of, you have to talk about it and understand their currency, their backgrounds, religious belief, all that, right? And introducing such a way where it's just like, it's fascinating and interesting. And it still leaves you with like, wondering like, why I know more, which I really liked a lot. No, I completely agree with everything you said.

I'm going into this with the caveat that I did read this before. That's where Irwin and I differ. I don't read. Never read a book.

But, and I had seen David Lynch's doing. When I was much younger, I do not remember a single thing about it. But I remember, it was like one of those things where you're watching it and you're like, that's right. This is like, space Game of Thrones, I remember.

And it was funny because I was like, I wonder when this stops in the book. I guess we'll get into this when I really do spoilers. But like, I'll say something. And so going into that, I knew, I was really curious if people, because you know how like, sometimes you're like, you need to read the book to understand the movie, which just makes it a bad movie.

And I think that's a ridiculous concept. A movie should be able to stand on its own. It's an adaptation, not a condensed version. And like, I do you expect it to like, get everything from the book into a movie?

It's still hard to be that even with the show as well. No, I found this incredibly faithfully adapted, though. Like, you won't believe how close it is, at least I thought so. And especially when like, it's doing this really heavy, ground work in terms of, I guess it's like sci-fi fantasy, you know?

This reminded me a lot of, like a lot of grander scale movies at this moment in time are still being compared to Lord of the Rings, because Lord of the Rings had such a big impact on Blockbusters in general. And there's still like three of the most perfect movies ever made, at least in my opinion. What'd you say? The Lord of the Rings.

Yeah. That's not how it's. I like the Hobbit movies. Yeah, I like all of it too, though.

The Hobbits. Who would each one of your favorites? Which one's your favorite Hobbit? That's a dwarf silly.

You're all the same, what? That's not true. I'm not here to the Lord. King classes.

What? And I understand that. And this one, to me, I felt the scope on this in like such a grand way. And it's one of those situations where I wanted to know what people who hadn't read it, like if they understood what was going on.

Our friend, Aaron, who we've mentioned before, was like, I didn't understand what was going on for about the first half of this movie. I was completely immersed in it, though. And he said that there's a pivotal scene in this where he's like, OK, I get it now. He's like, I understand what's happening.

And I found this movie. Like, I was looking at an audience score because I figured, will people gravitate to this? In the trailer, I thought I marketed it to be incredibly action-heavy, which it was more so than I thought. It takes a lot of the action scenes that weren't really prominent in the book per se and really puts them in the foreground.

Like a specific scene with Josh Brolin, for example, and who's excellent in this, by the way, everyone is on their egg in, completely. But I understand the comparison. And it felt like one of those things where I thought it was incredibly transporting. I didn't feel as if you're thinking, oh, why doesn't it function in our world or whatever bit?

It's not going for that. Very much is. This does remind me of Lord of the Rings quite a bit in that way, that it introduces you to a universe. And you're just like, I want to know everything about this.

I want to know how all of this works. And it's all fascinating. And it all works incredibly well. What do you think?

No, I mean, I just agree. Because I didn't know anything about this movie. And I'm pretty sure Aaron and I were kind of in the same boat as well, because at first I was like, what's happening? Because a lot of information is thrown at you.

And so you're just trying to understand what's going on. But I feel like, I'm trying to remember which part of the movie where I was just like, OK, I understand what's happening as well. And what overall is definitely a movie you have to watch again, just to understand, understand, understand, understand better of the whole world and everything. And I don't know.

Stick away the way it is. I guess when we're talking about doing spoilers. But I was just like, what? It's a word?

Like, that's it? Because I wasn't thinking there was a part two or part one. I was just like, I just knew I was just in it. I was like, oh my god, what's going to happen next?

What's going to happen next? So I'm sorry. No, you can go. OK.

I mean, the acting was great as well. I just love. I don't know. The more I see Oscar Isaac, I'm just like, damn, I need to see more of him.

He's the best. Yeah. And then I was his name, Harvey Ayer Bartim. Oh, yeah.

I forgot that. I forgot that he was casted in this. As still Gar. Was still Gar.

I'll be a part of him in this movie. Yeah. Yeah, I was saying. OK.

No, I cast it. It's one of those things where I'm like, Oscar Isaac. The fuck yeah, that dude. And his rock and beard in this.

Yes. No, and you know what was funny is, so Jason Momoa. I was like, I guess I've never seen Jason Momoa that I just did too. I didn't realize that until like, I guess later on, you know, like whenever he like shows up and then whatever.

Like at the first time I saw him, I was just like, I guess like at my head, I thought he still had that beard. So later on in the movie, when he shows up, like when he starts like showing up and scenes again, I was just like, oh crap, he doesn't have a beard. It just hit me. And I was just like, what?

Yeah. No, it's one of those things where I was like, looking at it, I was like, see, you look like it. Yeah, exactly. You look like him.

But are you? Oh, man. He's amazing in this, by the way. He's like, he's one of those actors where I think he prioritizes, because he's Aquaman, he scares Matt as Aquaman, but you kind of forget that actors are as talented as they are sometimes unless they're given something dramatic to do.

For example, Dave Batista is in this for a bit. And that dude, the more and more he shows up, especially in like, Denevean Newsward, because he was in a scene in Blader in 2049, he just kills it. He is an amazing actor. And I understand, because you know how he says that whole thing where he doesn't want to be associated with, although I think John Cena is a very good actor too, especially like in the Suicide Squad, he works perfectly.

But I get that he doesn't want to be associated with wrestling specifically anymore. It makes sense to me, especially when you watch his acting in this, and he could just hold his own against someone like Stell and Skarsgard, who's really creepy and gross in this as the Baron. Is that what you imagined, whatever you were reading the book? Everything the way it looks and all?

I think a benefit for me was that, honestly, I hadn't read it until I saw the trailer. And then after that, I picked up the book. It's one of those things where you have the actors picked out in your head already. You know how you always end up sort of envisioning whenever you read anything?

And there's no movie adaptation of it. You start to have the image in your head of that person. I think that the visual look of that character, you would never be able to guess. I don't know.

Stell and Skarsgard are looking really gross and covered in oil or whatever that is. That way, but his personality, that's the perfect visual representation of him. What about the world of it? Was it like they did?

So well, the world specifically, while you're reading it, that's why I was kind of like, there's a lot of terms, like Spice, Muadib. Let me think of another one. The box, the Gom Jabar, and the women that I'm forgetting the name of, like Rebecca Ferguson's a part of. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I remember as well. It's just, it's so much stuff that you're kind of like, I'm wondering, and Denevi, it was such a visual story. It really is, yes. If this were handed off to anybody else, there'd be a lot of exposition about like, the Spice does this, the Spice does that.

Instead, it's shown in the suits. I love that there's the suits. You just understand completely what they do. And this was, I want to mention, the cinematography, before I tell you who shot this, did it remind you of any specific movie?

Um, a regular one. OK, well, yes, but I'm not sure if you shot this, but it's shot by Greg Frazier, who did Rogue One. Oh, wow. That makes sense.

For like, certain scenes, but that makes sense. It's just like, OK, whenever we get this one, it's like, dang. No, I know, and I was like, wow, it's like Rogue One, but if I care, that's like, because I actually care about the characters in this movie. So it goes to show that you can't handle an ensemble cast, whatever.

There are so many. And no, it's just, I mean, I think Rogue One is fine. It's good, but not to randomly get into Star Wars, which we always end up doing for like a brief second. But gosh darn it's, and the Hans Zimmer score, I've been listening to on repeat because there's this vocal riff that they do with the women chanting that's amazing.

I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. I'm still getting in my head right now. Yeah, yeah, no, I would do it, but I couldn't. I don't want Daniel to embarrass me.

Embarrassed you. By missing? Yeah, go ahead. No, you do.

No, you're going to be funny. I already hear it. Oh, wow, oh, you say that so perfectly. I'm sorry, I'm just prepared myself.

Did this movie remind you of Ernest Garde Silly? I'm sorry. Did this movie remind you of Ernest Garde Silly? What are you talking about?

So in the Ernest franchise. Ernest franchise. Yes. Ernest goes to the desert in Ernest Garde Silly.

What is that? Is it a movie or show? It's a series. From where?

Ernest saves Christmas. Look it up. Yeah, I'm going to do that right now. OK.

He saves Christmas. But no, the Hans Zimmer score is incredible. It's one of those things where just everyone, actor, director, essentially everyone is on their A-game. And I think that the June notice, something I never want to do, I was reading a review that said this too, and I was totally agree.

I was like something I'd love to do, but also not. I never look up how this movie was made. Simply because the CG, if there is any, I'm sure there is, it obviously is like, you can't tell. You can't tell.

Not at all. There's every single shot. And the ornithopter, the dragonfly helicopter thing that they have, there was a model of it. And it was, I don't want to say life size.

It looked like it was though. But did you feel any particular way about that? The way it's like the sets and the way it was shot. No, I mean the way it's shot.

I don't know. It's what I expect now when it comes to Denise's work. It's from the first time watching his movies. It's when he started doing more sci-fi movies, whenever he switched to our rival and then Blade Runner.

Or his movies just seemed so he could handle anything big or wide. And you could see it. And I really love that. And what she said earlier is definitely a good visual teller.

And he tells his stories just through scenes and just the way it's shot. And so I just love the movie the way it was made, of course. I agree with you, Denise. And there's a wide, wide boy.

He's got to get all that wide in there. He's like, he's not big. He's just like, no, I'm confused. So what you said?

Oh, I did. Yeah, you were like, what's Ernest H. Why did you mention that movie? Because they have the same plot.

They're very similar in plot structure. Ernest helps Santa Claus as he searches for what? How is it the same? Ernest goes to camp.

Is that the same? I think that's a pivotal turning point in the Ernest's frame. What? Did you know Ernest H.

Ernest H. I think because if there's any blueprint that Hollywood's falling right now, it's the Ernest series. Why did you mention it? I'm still confused.

I just got to tell you, man. I don't agree with you. It was wide. But the disparity between the Ernest franchise and Hollywood and Jen.

It wasn't even talking about any of that. You're mentioning it. I haven't said anything about it. I'm just learning about the Ernest franchise.

You brought it up first. So moving on, I want to backtrack something you said earlier. I totally agree with you. David Lynch movies go.

Me? Lost highway, Dune, Blue Velvet. Shoot, give me one more second. You really put me on the spot here.

Mulholland Drive and Firewalk with me. OK. But I want to backtrack to something you said earlier about run time. On like no time to die.

It was nearly three hours long. This movie is nearly three hours long. Eternal is nearly three hours long. I'm really bringing this back.

And I know a couple people that are not fans of Bladeon in 2049. And that's totally fine. You're allowed to have your opinion, whether it be correct or not. What are you trying to apply?

I'm saying that there are incorrect opinions, incorrect opinions. You know if Ernest was here. I agree with you. Ernest wouldn't like what I just said.

Gotta really live it up for my boy. And I think it's like the testament to pacing that this doesn't bother me. I can't tell you the last time I saw a movie that I was like, this is too fucking long. But I'm sure it's happened before.

And honestly, like with shorter movies, which like funny earlier, in our episodes, we were talking about Venom, let there be carnage. We're like, this movie's too short. Which is like a really rare problem to have. Oh, did you enjoy the Eminem Dune rap?

Why do you say like that? Venom 2 was OK. I was trying to be like, I don't want to say good. Because I mean, other movies were good.

I was a station there. Venom 2 was a movie and we both saw it. Yes. And we both talked about it.

No, but like, I think I know that people about Blade Runner, they were like, this movie's too slow. It was one of their complaints. Or just in general, and I think something that Dene Vianna does is I wouldn't call his movies slow. I call them deliberately paced.

And one time I read something that's like, oh, if you call something slow paced, you're just calling it boring. I don't think that's true. I think movies are allowed to take their time and are allowed to feel like they're taking their time. But it's one of those things where if you're absorbed in it, wouldn't you want to feel like you're there for a while?

I mean, I thought this was one of those movies where before we were walking in, I saw it with a few people. And Aaron was one of them. And he was like, for example, he was like, should I go to the bathroom before this? It was like, it's nearly three hours long.

He was like, OK, that's a yes. And when it was over, one of the first things he said, he's like, that didn't feel like that. And I was like, well, technically it wasn't. But you know what he means, right?

But do you think that it's, does that bother you ever, or do you think that it's just a testament to a movie being paced that it can work as well as it does? No, I mean, I think when it comes to just any length of a movie, because even if a movie's like an hour and a half, it could literally feel long. And it just depends on how the movie is directed. And then if you're willing and if you're invested in that movie, of course, you want to be there longer just to flush out as much as you can from it.

But if you don't like that movie, yeah, it's going to feel like it's a drag. So I mean, I have no problems when it comes to two and a half hour movies or longer. It's more like a mental thing where you're just like, oh my god, I have to prepare myself for this. I have to set up different times for it.

But then when you're watching it and if it's like, and you're invested and you're like, oh, I got him in this, time goes by fast. But you don't realize it. No, I know. It's insane.

And you're like, oh, it's over. We saw the movie like what, 9.30 PM? And then we got out at like 12.15 AM. And you're just like, I didn't feel that.

I mean, I feel it because I'm sore from sitting down for so long. But other than that, would you have any negative critiques of this at all? I guess the only thing I would say is just it honestly, it felt like a lot of it was just set up. It felt like a lot of it was just like a set up movie, in a sense.

And that's why I was like, OK, I didn't realize it was going to be like a part two. I thought it was going to be like one full movie, Dune. And so I was waiting for everything to be answered or revealed or whatever. And the way it was just like, a lot of it was just like, I don't know how to say this.

So just like this first one, it was just more learning about the world, understanding the world. And then it just seemed like it was just set up for the next one, I guess. Because it's just kept going, going, because giving you questions and like teaching you what's going to happen. And then of course you're waiting for everything to happen, but nothing's going to happen until the next one.

But it's not anything bad. It's just more like, luckily the second one is happening, because I thought it was already confirmed or something. But apparently Daniel talked to the director in the studio, so he got it rolling. Oh yeah, I called Dune.

And I was like, you got Dune 2, Dune 2 Furious, right? And he's like, yep, that's what we're calling it. And I wouldn't be saying this if I didn't know, like it's funny, the time that we're recording this, Dune 2 was announced today. And if we've been recording this and I've been announced yet, I would have been like, dude, if I don't make another one, I will be upset.

Because it is literally half a story. Like, if I found this movie so immaculately and perfectly made, but I was so invested that I don't really have any problems with it, but in terms of I were someone, or if I were even myself, which I am. And what did you say? Yeah.

And it ended, and there was no part two. Would you want to revisit this movie at all? I think like every time it would end, you'd be like, fuck this. Yes, I agree.

That's what I was thinking to. I was like, dang, if it just ended the way it did, I was like, why did I still buy it? I'm like, I think I would buy it and watch it just because the way it looks. And then eventually I would probably just read the book just to find out what happens later on.

And then, other than that, it'd be more like your rest of your rest and your rest of your life. Or that's it. Nothing else. It's over.

You're done. You're like, oh, OK. Which I guess will go into final rating here. And then we'll move on into the spoilers section.

I, this is very obvious to me. I have nothing negative to say about this. And thank God there's a part two. It's one of those things where if there weren't a part two, I don't know if I'd have bumped my score down.

Because I feel like that's kind of unfair. But I never said something. Or no, actually, no, I actually want to get into the marketing of this movie once we get into this spoilers section. Because I find it really funny.

But 5 out of 5 from me, it's probably my favorite movie of the year so far, I think. And I want to see it again immediately. I need to see it in iMacs because I just saw it like kind of standard screening because we have this discount iMacs thing here. But for whatever reason, they weren't showing it that night on Thursday.

They were showing Halloween kills still. And I was like, dude, this has been out for a whole week, man. Gosh. And I want to ask you, what were your final thoughts and your verdict overall?

No, I honestly love this movie. The only thing I would say was just like, I guess when I realized it was a prequel, then I'm just like, oh, OK. But like, I was just looking at the movie itself. I still, I probably give it a 5 out of 5.

Just because I just love the thing about it. I think that's the first same score we gave. But no, I think it is. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Look at us. And look at it as well. I can't. If you guys haven't watched it yet, number one, do.

No, that was good. I mean, if you guys like to see something with the honestly. Number two, come back and listen to the spoiler section of this. We're going to move on into it.

And hey, thank you so much for listening. You can follow us or myself at par323para on Twitter. And you can follow Erwin at. Erwin.tricho.

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You can also go for that. Or you can do, and I'm a par32para on Instagram. Just remove the three. I'm extremely sorry.

You got me paranoid about spoilers. And I'm just like, oh crap. It's like, I'm barely on. And now I'm on Twitter just because of that reason.

Oh, on Twitter. Oh, I know what you're talking about because of the thing I told you. Yeah. You're like, don't go on here because of spoilers.

I'm like, oh my god. I just remember that. But we really want to know what you think. And by the way, thank you guys so much for listening.

I was looking at the amount of listeners we have, and it really blew both of us away. Ew. OK. No, you said it.

No, getting into the spoiler section. I want to cover something about the marketing. And Zendaya is barely in this movie. And I knew that because I was like, she could just not be in this.

Like, the way she works in the novel is to be safe for part two. And honestly, she's even given even more to do, even though it's like Paul's dreams of Chaney or Chaney Chaney. And did you like Zendaya in this? I mean, she's barely in.

But like, I think my problem is when it comes to big movie, like stars and everything. And when you have a big name, likes Zendaya, you expect her to use her a lot, right? And everybody did. And so when you come in and you watch them, you're like, oh, wow, they didn't use Zendaya as much.

You're just like, OK. It's like, I don't know. I really, I try not to focus a lot on these big name actors. Kind of thing where it's just like, oh, they are major in Hollywood right now.

And so we have to use them as much as we can. It's like, no, if they are for this role, for this certain movie, then they're just going to do their best in order to portray that role in just in that one movie. So that's how I do that. I can see why people will be mad about it.

If they just want to see Zendaya, and that's it, I guess. Well, I thought she was great in it. Is she barely in it? Yeah.

But it's one of those things where if the marketing gets people to go see it, I'm fine with that. Because I said, I didn't know that part two was going to be a thing until today. So a couple of our friends were like, hey, she's like two lines in this movie. She has the opening narration thing, and then she's like at the end where he's from an initiation fight thing, which is wonderful, by the way.

I love the idea of the hand-to-hand combat and this not really involving guns because of the suits, like the force-field thing that they have. That's true. I was so confused on that at first because it's like, can it go through or can it not? And it's just like a certain areas where it can go through?

I don't know. Yeah. It's one of those things where I'm like, this movie, definitely. And did you fully understand the world once it was over?

Were you like, OK, yeah, that makes sense. No, I would say I would definitely have to watch it again. Honestly, if I watched it again, I'm for sure at the end of it going, OK, I understand. Because it's just a lot of information.

The thing is, when it first started, it was just a whole total of it. I was like, oh, man, they're doing whole. They're going to explain everything, right? And you don't know some movies when they explain things.

They explain very thoroughly. And you're just sitting there just going for the movie to start. I felt like it was less than five minutes. And then it was just going straight into the story, kind of thing.

And it does that thing, whereas it explains along the way. And which is totally fine. It's one of those things where if they had a sit down scene and they had explained it for, I don't know, just the expository scene where you need to tell the audience what's going on through dialogue. But you're also like, you've been living in this world.

You need to know this information. But I think making Paul an awful understanding what's going on, which is number one hilarious, because I still can't wrap my head. I've watched it. I think the fact that the Messiah, his name is Paul.

And his hilarious. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know. His name's Paul. Like, I don't know.

Is there something everybody's name is like Duke Lido. And I'm pretty sure Dave Ortiz's name is like Beast Rabbit or something. Yeah, the Baron, Baron Harkenin. But the scene that really clicked into place, the Messiah Paul, that really clicked into place that I was asking was like, when did you figure out what was going on?

Like the full Harkenin invasion. No, it was like a reason where that happened. And it was, I'm trying to remember when. I think it was right, it was right before he meets up with Harvey R.

Bardam's character. Yeah. I think that's when everything started to click, kind of thing. Understanding like, OK, understanding their currency, like the importance of spies, their roles, the reason why they're there, the reason why Harvey R.

Bardam's character, like their tribe in the sense. That's where I was like, OK, this all started to make sense. Yeah, and he has that line. I know.

Yeah. And what I mean by visual storytelling is before they're ever on the planet Arrakis, like the scene where they're about to leave their home and go there, where Paul touches the water. And you just understand. You're like, well, he knows where he's going.

He understands that there's none of this there. And it's all conveyed through just like movement and facial reaction. And just like, I think it's a real testament to the actors he gets, because they're so great. And I don't know what your thoughts were on Timothy Chalamet when he started acting.

I think the first thing I'd ever seen him in apparently was Interstellar, which I did not realize he was in. Until I saw it again, Timothy Chalamet. Oh, yeah, he was. Yeah, he's the son, which I was like, what?

But the first thing I remember seeing him in is Lady Bird, which is a movie I think is fine. And he's fine in. And call me by your name. I also think he's fine.

And I also think he's fine. But the first movie ever made a fool like, yeah, that's a great actor was a little woman, which I adored. He's incredible in the French Dispatch, which we'll talk about at some point. And he's phenomenal in this.

You said you'd seen Beautiful Boy, but what were your thoughts on him and that and anything else you'd seen? I mean, I've always thought he was a strong actor. You know? And I feel like he picks his movies very, I don't know.

I think he's very picky when he comes to his movies. Like the role that he's in? The Wonka Man. The Wonka Man, yes.

Sorry, I just don't know why I'm ringing. OK, but I don't know, he's always really good at playing serious roles. And so we haven't really seen him play a role where it was just out of his comfort zone, I would say. And I feel he's always had the same look.

Yeah, well, the only reason I disagree with you is because I've seen the French Dispatch. We're getting using the French Dispatch. It's like your idiot time telling me. This is my third time telling you this.

It's like he has an extremely comedic presence in it. And I don't think anybody does. Except for, I guess, Jason Momoa. But it's so funny when Jason Momoa shows up and you don't even see his face, I'm like, I know who that is.

I just, I really didn't think he had a beard. Or I'm going to be at a beard the entire time until whenever he comes back. It's a busy king or whatever, Oscar Isaac's character again. After being out there in the desert.

Whenever he comes back, I'm like, oh my gosh, he doesn't have a beard. That's what I realized. Where do they shave? Where?

How do they shave? That's not where I'm at. His feisty was awesome. Awesome.

It was great. Yeah, it has that whole hero sacrificing myself. And there's a really small detail that they do that I love. Like Paul does it towards the end.

And he does it like the chest against the chest. Oh, yes. And then he lifts it up. And it's so amazing.

Just like really random small signals like that that really. I swear, like it's small details like that that you're like, this is a lived in world. Like this is a fully realized, even if you don't understand what's going on, you know that you're somewhere else. And I think that that's a testament to strong visual storytelling.

Oh, then also like Josh Brolin. But yes. Like, wait, is he dead, Daniel? Honestly, it's an off screen death.

And you'll have to wait and see, I suppose. Thank you, Dan. I really liked it. Yeah, I know he's amazing.

I love Josh Brolin's voice. He talks like this the entire time. He does it. Is he done?

He's a toxic Josh Brolin. That's what, OK. But no, Jason Mo is amazing in this. Like, I keep saying that, but like, it's true.

And I really wish. I don't know. It's one of those things where like a lot of the actions that's David, this Malkean, Polkadot Man, also shows up. Oh, yeah, I didn't really.

Nearly unrecognizable, yeah. But I think like just the acting is so strong in this. And even if there's not dialogue heavy scenes, which Danieviene gets away with a lot, which is why I always want to read the screenplays for his movies and be like, how long is that? Because it'd be like the spaceship drops down.

And that could be like three pages. Because it's like three minutes of a movie. That's crazy. Another small detail I loved was the way they drop down in those suits is like really slow.

And it's that scene, it sort of pans towards the, what do they call them, the boom things. You know what I'm talking about? Like how they distract the worm? Oh, yeah, that?

Yeah. But they're all dropping down really slowly. And the music is blasting. And what did you want to say about Rogue One that you were like, oh, that makes sense?

Oh, yeah, it's about the worm. Like the worm and then the ships in that, in the movie itself. Like just like that. It's like a wormhole.

No. Look at that wormhole. No, this entity. I don't do that.

That you just want to. I just like, but that's what Rogue One did. But I feel like it's just like the director. I mean, I think I switched to the cinematographer.

Like I guess he understands how to make something so massive to your eyes, you know? Like the wormhole. No, I agree. I think a smart choice is in all of the massive shots of things, there's always a human like in them.

There's always the physical presence of an actor, which makes the size difference extremely emphasized. Which I think like a problem with some of the later, I want to say like Monster vs. movies for example. Like as much as I enjoyed God's Elive vs.

Kong. I don't think you get a sense of how big they are sometimes, simply because there's no like shot of a human right next to God's ill or anything. True. There is sometimes next to Kong, but you start to kind of like, you start to think of them as smaller than they are, which maybe you shouldn't be doing.

Like sure they're up against like big buildings and stuff. But I think identifying with a human presence, you're like, yeah, that makes sense. Like, you know, I'm the same size as a person. So you're kind of like, which I think emphasizes the size of the ships, the desert looks beautiful in this.

A lot of the, that like the, the, the tradies, I don't know what to call it like the house that they're in. Oh, like that is beautiful. Yeah. I like it really.

In large and it's funny what Denis V and of those with colors, I think, because it's not like this movie has a variety in terms of color palette. It's a lot of orange and a lot of gray and an occasional blue here and there, but he makes, or great phrase, I should say, makes it look so beautiful. It could be one of those things where like, if you got someone else, it could just be so kind of. It would blend out together.

Yeah, and you'd be like, this is good. This is really good even because it's anchored by strong writing, strong characters and CG and everything. But when you add that extra element to it, you're like, and they also announced that he's doing, doing the director of photography for two, which he should be. I can imagine someone else just doing like this being the photographer for that.

I'm trying to think of someone that just has like a wildly different approach and they're just like, yep, it's me now. It's like with franchises, you know, sometimes they switch off between cinematographers, which is fine, but you can tell. Like some of the Harry Potter movies are shot better than some of the other ones. Like I think Half-Blood Prince has an Oscar nomination for a reason.

And that movie is just like, beautiful. And here I think like if you were to switch off part two, I think that I wouldn't want to say that would ruin the immersion, but it's one of those things where I'm like, I think since this is literally half half of a story, because how it ends is, I'm not going to call it on the nose because that sounds like a negative thing, but Zendaya literally turns and she's like, this is just the thing. Dude, okay. When that happened, I was just like, okay, let's go.

You know, like I was just ready for the next scene. And then, you know, it just goes black and I'm just like, what? Her one's like, all right, we're halfway through. Let's go.

Let's see the rest of that. Exactly. I thought I was like, okay, like, I don't know. Like the moment you set that out, it's like, why would they just say that randomly, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. Like why are you telling me this and Dan? Just like, okay, let's the next one.

Oh man. It's like if, um, it wasn't an infinity war. Oh, like, like, I lose everything. Okay, where are they going to do next?

Just cuts. It'd be like, um, I don't know. What if it was that scene where he was like, no, we almost got it off and then it just ends there. Dude.

You're like, I can't. You're just like, well, we'll have to wait and see, I suppose. Okay, so in terms of the books, I want to mention there are five in the mainline series. Would you want to see the rest of those?

Like if they were to make a dune to dune, um, would you want to see the two dune? Would you want to see the ones after that? I see what the same characters are no. For a couple of them.

I mean, I guess it depends like how the first one goes with part one and part two and like, depending how that story is. So you said like, there's like five different stories in that book? Five books. Oh, there's five books.