51 - Scott Shapiro: Hackers, Cybersecurity, and Legal Philosophy

Scott Shapiro is the Charles F. Southmayd Professor of Law and Professor of Philosophy at Yale Law School, where he is also the founding director of the Yale CyberSecurity Lab. Robinson and Scott talk about studying at Columbia University under the auspices of the legendary Isaac Levi, Sidney Morgenbesser, and Haim Gaifman before discussing the philosophy of law, one of Scott’s areas of expertise. Among the topics they touch on are the distinction between analytic and normative jurisprudence, the problem of the chicken and the egg, and progress in legal thought from Austin to Hart and beyond. Then they turn to Scott’s upcoming book, Fancy Bear goes Phishing: The Dark History of the Information Age, in Five Extraordinary Hacks, where Scott explores the intersection of cybersecurity, hacking, and legal philosophy. Scott is also the author of Legality and the host of the Jurisprudence Course podcast, the latter of which will soon have a second season. You can keep up with Scott on Twitter at @scottjshapiro, and preorder Fancy Bear Goes Phishing on Amazon. Fancy Bear Goes Phishing: https://a.co/d/aPv2zpY Legality: https://a.co/d/1qYg0OY Jurisprudence Course: https://open.spotify.com/show/6yOIMnVASRLN2nPLlBL0Dn?si=0de8b550346942d6 Twitter: https://twitter.com/scottjshapiro Outline: 00:00 In This Episode 00:20 Introduction 3:35 Scott the Jurisprude 7:49 War Stories From Columbia 18:36 Analytic Versus Normative Jurisprudence 22:23 The Chicken And The Egg Problem For Jurisprudence 28:03 Austin, Hart, and Progress in Legal Philosophy 44:43 Fancy Bear Goes Phishing 43:23: Cybersecurity and Legal Philosophy 59:02:40 Hacking Paris Hilton’s Cell Phone 1:05:07 The Psychology of Hackers Robinson Erhardt researches symbolic logic and the foundations of mathematics at Stanford University. Join him in conversations with philosophers, scientists, weightlifters, artists, and everyone in-between.   linktree: https://linktr.ee/robinsonerhardt