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This is Tim Ferriss and welcome to another episode of The Random Show, episode number 1,374. I guess today, as always, is Kevin Rose. Mr. K Rose.
How are you sir? Dude, it is, I'm so glad we finally got a chance to hang, you know, we went for a trip together. It had been so long. And we finally, you know, another world, vax and whatnot, had a chance to hang out in Marfa, Texas.
We could talk about that. You should, you should, you're teasing it. So you might as well just describe for folks what we ended up doing. It was a lot of fun.
It was a great time. It was also just fun to crash together, me on the couch. Yeah, you tried to get in the bed. I did, I tried to snuggle in the bed.
It was freezing. And then we should provide some more context. And I will just say that Kevin's like, you got the couch. I'm like, that's fine.
I'm crashing on the couch. And I was like, where are the blankets? And we found basically like some towels and it got down to like mid 40s at night. I was dying.
And then the very last day, I was like, you should check everywhere. I was like, yeah, I checked everywhere. And I'm like, what about these drawers? I pulled them out under the bed.
I'm like, you fucker. They're comforters everywhere. So it was good. Good, shared privation.
All right, wasn't actually shared. It was isolated, Tim privation, but that's okay. Yeah, I mean, there must have been some help in it from doing that cold. It's like a cold plunge at night for you, basically, is what you're doing.
Yeah, that's great. It's great. Yeah, it was fantastic. But what the hell were we doing in Marfa, Texas?
And why is Marfa, Texas noteworthy? I can also chime in. So yeah, we were out at Marfa, Texas, which for those of you that don't know, it's kind of in the middle of nowhere. It is quite the trek to get out there.
And so we had a little easier time getting out there. But we got out there and it was the Art Blocks conference. And so they were doing their first kind of kickoff event. They have a house out there.
For those of those of you that don't know Art Blocks is a NFT generative art platform. So they were the very first generative platform, meaning that artists come in. They write code that creates art. So the code actually, you don't know what you're going to get when you're minting it.
So when you come in to Art Blocks and you see a project that looks cool because you've seen a testament, you go ahead and connect your wallet. And when you connect your wallet, you choose, make me one of these. And then it's all random. And you get some beautiful new kind of creative piece of artwork that is defined by the code that was written by the artist.
So generative art's been around for quite some time, but this is the first time we've been able to capture it. It's always been art installations. And now that it's captured in NFTs, this platform really took off. And you and I were like, heck, let's go check out the kickoff event and see what's going on there.
And it was awesome. I said, Kevin, heck. Let's get out of here. Kevin.
I'm like, what the heck? This is exciting. Kevin Rose, I'm keeping a PG. That was good.
You're ready to move to Utah. We had fun though. It felt like early South by didn't it? Remember, you know, South by early South by Southwest?
Yeah. It felt like South by interactive 2007 to be really specific where you could tell there were the seeds of something that was going to grow to be much larger. But it was still being largely as a phenomenon. It wasn't even considered a phenomenon.
It was sort of the new curiosity that wasn't taken terribly seriously, if that makes any sense. And then it started to gobble up everything else in terms of interactive. And you know, in the same way that some people think NFTs will be ubiquitous in some respects with the ownership economy. And I should say also for people who are listening to this, if you're like, good Lord, is this going to be another entire episode on NFTs?
We are going to talk about NFTs. But we're going to also touch on many, many other things, including my experience with finally contracting COVID. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about all sorts of tools, biohacks, many other things.
Largely. We've got a full agenda today. All kinds of things. Full agenda.
We have holiday gift ideas. And we'll cover a lot of ground. So NFTs will be part of that, but not all of that. And it was great to hang, man.
It was so nice to finally be able to spend some time, just the two of us, in person. It's been a very, very long time. And when would you say the last time is that we were able to do that? If we think about kind of the old days, right, just Kev, Kevin, Tim, Tim, my bachelor party, remember that word?
Yeah. So it's been more than a few years at this point. I do remember that. Oh, no, we did my 40th birthday in Japan together.
That was the last time we got some real good quality time. That was four years ago, which is crazy. Wow. Yeah.
So it was great. It was great to actually hang and be stupid and drink lots and lots of so tall. Oh, speaking of which, yeah, we should talk about what that so tall is because I thought that was a fantastic drink. And you ended up being an investor in this company that was based in Marfa, which was crazy.
And then also we should talk about the old school. We're drinking drinks now. We used to on the random show, we used to talk about what we were drinking. Yeah.
So let's check off the drinks. I'll describe so tall first. So so tall SOTOL is a really fascinating plant that is found in a few different places, certain parts of Texas, like West Texas, and also a few distinct portions of Mexico. And when you create a spirit from this and the company in Marfa is Marfa spirit, so it's easy to find Marfa's spirit.
Oh, and we had a lot of SOTOL when we were there. It is taste wise somewhere between Tequila and Mezcal. So the cooking process is actually very similar to Mezcal, which has a smoky feel to it. And that's actually what I'll be drinking today is some Mezcal.
So I'll just show what I'm drinking today. This is Aquino Mass, Aquino Mass from Oaxaca, which is a artisanal Mezcal. And it is it is dot dot dot dot. We'll find out.
I'm a friend because he knows that I like Mezcal and he brought this back. So this is what I'll be drinking today. But what we had were at least two different types of SOTOL when we were in Marfa. And we also had Marfa spirits.
So tall that has been aged in, I want to say, rum barrels, which gave it an incredible flavor. So that was a blast in Marfa. Today, it is Aquino Mass from Oaxaca. What are you drinking?
I'm just having some, it's a little earlier where I am versus where you are. So I want some champagne actually. So I'm doing a Bicart champagne, which for me, just the rosé. I know it sounds, you know, it is what it is.
You live in Portland, you have Japanese slash Jenny's calligraphy artwork on the end. You have a designer, hypoallergenic dog on a bed behind you. So I think it matches. It works.
This is the best bedroom. But yeah, so I mean, dude, you know what? I want to just come on and say I love champagne. Champagne is good.
I'm sorry. It is just a good beverage. It's like it does look like my glucose. And I think that Bicart for under $100, like Champagne's can get really expensive obviously for $100.
You know, I think they 60 bucks or so. It's like the best. It's fantastic. So that's my plug for Bicart.
I'm not a sponsor, although if you want to sponsor Bicart, love that. I'll give you actually, I'll give people a two for one because I had two choices. I had more than two choices, but I decided to narrow it down to Mescal and then tequila and this tequila here, which I'm not having today. But I've had before I was introduced to a few weeks ago, it's called Lalo.
It's made in Lexico. It's made in Mexico. It's made in Mexico. LA.
Hello. And it is 100% agave as well, Blanco tequila. And from Los Angeles, Jalisco, it's delicious. It has sort of a vegetable green flavor to it, which is from my palate and my experience is pretty unusual with tequila.
And I was introduced to this at a restaurant called Swearthe here in Austin. Is that a Blanca? Yeah, it is. And well, it's agave as well, Blanco.
So I guess it is a Blanca. Yeah, Blanco tequila. You know, we had Marfa. We had Dragonas, which we both love.
Because of Dragonas, that is a fantastic tequila. That's also a great tequila. So thank you, Cianati Foundation. Yes, thank you.
Or I think you can probably be sponsoring the Cianati Foundation weekend, at least that event. So that was a rare opportunity. I think there was just serving Casa de Cianas have a booth and to everyone who's there, I was like, you know, even if you don't love tequila, you should go try that because it's like $300 a bottle and they're just pouring it like it's water. So you should try some.
It's funny. You and I showed up this basically, I mean, it was like a buffet, right? Like, you know, we're showing up this event. It's like a buffet with a bunch of people.
And it's in the middle of nowhere. You're in this field and shit with buildings falling down all around. And we're like, I'm looking on like, there's Dragonas. Holy shit.
And like, you and I look at each other and we're like, we need to just go tap into that. That's like free money right there. Because that stuff's expensive. And they just like started hitting the free Dragonas.
I was like, I'm going to see if they can make it neat because they were making mixed drinks. And I was like, I just wanted to pour this in like a little flask and take it home. It was the greatest sort of asymmetry between value on your plate for food and value in your drink. It was like a garden salad with like $300 a pair of eggs.
That was awesome. It was great. Kevin, where should we start? I feel like maybe since we are talking about booze, this leads right into biohacking.
But we can start really anywhere you want to start. But why don't you jump into that because you have you've been doing more experimentation or at least voluntary experimentation than I have recently. Yeah, absolutely. I will say first and foremost that you obviously had Peter T on your show many, many times when we mentioned these crazy biohacks, always best to go back to his podcast and refer to these episodes where he talks about these in great detail because even better to talk to your own doctor because no doubt constitutes medical advice.
But yes, to hear Peter's descriptions and greater length, his podcast will not disappoint on the detail side. Right. Yeah. I'm just a consumer.
He's you know, has real scientists that he interviews and whatnot. So for me, I've been following the news around Rev. Mysen for a while, which is the potential right now. The drug is used for immune suppression in transplant patients.
So if you get a new organ, high dose of Rev. Mysen is used to suppress immune systems. Your body doesn't reject the organs, but they've shown that in lower doses in all different types of mice and rats. And now hopefully in dogs here pretty soon through something called the dogagingproject.org, which I actually helped fund their most recent study out of the University of Washington.
I didn't know you did that as well. That's awesome. Yeah. So essentially that we're hoping that this will also translate.
I mean, they've already shown improvements in dog cardiovascular health in aging dogs and it looks like it's working in terms of extending life in dogs and the hope there and Teal will talk about this on this podcast. I mean, he's been taking it for a couple of years now, a low dose. The hope there is that it'll actually extend life in humans as well. So I decided to try an eight week cycle of it.
I did it. People vary on what they believe is the correct dosage and the correct duration and whether you should cycle it or not. And there's a bunch of just unknowns right there. So I just want to see what it would do if I'd noticed anything different.
Like I had some knee joint pain in my right knee that hadn't gone away for a few months. That went away, but you know, I stopped it and the baricles while you're right testable. You told me that. They're gone now.
Yeah. Clean is a whistle. Like a couple of boiled eggs down there. Just beautiful.
This is what happens when you're doing champagne. Be a card champion. We'll go straight to the head. We just want to sponsor the next episode.
Okay. So the dog aging project, you know, I figured, well, Mr. Toast, who's sitting behind me on the video, you know, he's looking so alive right now. He's like, he's dead.
Looks like a two and a fish laid out on the beach. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, toaster is 11 now and I decided like, let's get him on the dose that they're using in the dog aging project. And I'm not joking to him.
Like there is a absolute difference, absolute difference. Like, Darin and I will tell you that he jumps. So he didn't, you know, he's having some hip issues is getting older. Like his hips look kind of slip out from underneath him from time to time.
It doesn't help that we have concrete floors and it makes it a little more slippery for him. But he's jumping up on people now when they come in the house and including us and just a level of excitement and kind of energy and everything else that's come out of him. He's been on it for about two months now. It is working.
So I have no doubt that those early studies around cardiovascular health and obviously that will extend dog life to a certain extent. So we'll see what it is, whether it's 5% or 10% or 20% or whatever it may be. I think we powered the study now to what detect up to 20% is that right? I had to look and see what, because that was the additional funds that we recently put in or that I recently put in.
I don't know if you were part of the original funding or the add on. Good question. Yeah, this is all through the foundation. I'd have to go back and look.
Yeah. How did you feel? Did you notice anything? Subjectively, obviously, who knows?
You're not doing a placebo controlled trial. The only thing was that my right knee was bugging me in just kind of a dull pain for many months and that went away. But I mean, it's another one. That could have gone away from it.
So other than that, it's so tricky with this stuff, right? Because it will talk about my code experience later. But whenever you take something, there's this phenomenon of regression to the mean, right? Which is when you are at your worst, this is not a perfect example with the need.
Like when you were feeling your worst, you're likely to throw the kitchen sink or everything in the kitchen sink at something. And that is also frequently when you were at the peak after which you begin to regress to the mean, which is kind of your normal baseline. So it's really hard to determine causality. But great that your knee isn't bothering you.
Yeah. Yeah. And then I stopped it in four weeks later. I just had a story shot at my shoulder today.
It's like I tore something at my shoulder, but that's, you know, just getting old. One thing I will say, because there's going to be a ton of people asking this question, I have an older dog. How do I get my dog on this? There is a study.
You can go to the doggagingproject.org. You can apply to be in that study. But the easier way, honestly, is to talk to your vet and have the vet go to the project, go to the site. They have dosing instructions for what they're using in the study.
And under a vet supervision, if they're willing to do it, then some will, including my vet out here once I explained everything, you can prescribe it off label to dogs. And so toaster takes two milligrams a week for his body weight. And that's going to vary for your dog. And I'm not a veterinarian, but talk to your vet, show them the project and they might roll the dice with you.
But so far, so good with toast. And I'd just love to get an extra three years out of toast. That would be the most amazing, you know, this is like, for sure. So I'll just toast right now again.
11. Yeah, I feel like a man, Molly seven. And I would imagine, but I don't know enough about the science to say this with any confidence that like many things, the earlier the intervention, the more likely you are to kind of avert different icebergs. I would have to imagine that's the case.
But that's a question for the scientists. Yeah. I'd love to see toast around for a much, much longer time. I remember in one of the very first random shows when he was a little poppy shoot through our microphone cables when we did it in person in San Francisco.
Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Toaster was the king of two and three cables.
He shoot through a power cable that was not plugged in one time. He came home and it was like, he had gone all the way through. I was like, that would have been the end of him. He was at that time, he was like 10 pounds.
He would come back to just like a fried toast. Fried toast. Yeah. So what other experiments have you been doing?
Oh, so dude, I've got a couple crazy things. So I've been playing, you know, it's like you go through these times when you don't do any biohacking stuff and then you go deep. And I started a new drug called ozempic. And the reason I did this is a couple of reasons.
One, I've always had poor glucose control. So when I did a glucose tolerance test, which is basically you go to your doctor, they make you drink a hundred percent glucose, like a pure sugar drink. And then they draw your blood and they check your insulin levels and glucose levels and they check at every 30 minutes for like two hours. And they want to see how high does it get and how long does it stay that high and how quickly do you return back to your baseline.
And mine, I've always had what's called bad poor glucose disposal and a teal was the first to detect this in me. And there's a bunch of stuff you can do. You can do zone two cardio, you can sensitize your muscles like you can do a lot of things that will will suck up glucose and get you back quicker. But there was this drug that came out called ozempic and it's not for a while now that does a few things.
One, it helps lower glucose, which is great. It is a subcutaneous injection. So it's a little tiny pin that you get. They send it to you know, you get from pharmacy, you push this little pin against your stomach and you don't even feel it because it goes in a quarter of an inch.
It does a little tiny injection of 0.25 milligrams. But they also showed that it reduced there was a 39% reduction in non fatal stroke and a 26% relative risk reduction of a major cardiac event, which on my family side, my dad and my grandfather both died from heart disease and heart attacks and what was hard to talk about dad and stroke and my grandpa. And so for me, while I'm not diabetic, it's a no brainer and gets to get this. The number one side effect is weight loss.
And so I've had a couple buddies that I have one one buddy has been on for seven months, lost 15 pounds of belly fat and looks great now. Another one just started a couple months ago, lost like, has lost five pounds of belly fat. And I like those Portland beers. And I was just like, this is going to be a great little like, you know, nice little trimming, you know, if I can get that benefit as well.
So, but I will say there are side effects that are unpleasant as well. So let me tell you, it's not just like magical bitcoins appear in your wallets and penis gets larger and you lose belly fat. So that's great. And if you find that drug, I mean, but so this one's tricky because a lot of doctors will prescribe it at 0.5 milligrams versus 0.25.
And at 0.5, you get some nausea for the first couple days and it's intermittent. So it's not like nonstop nausea, but what some doctors do, including mine is a slow ramp. So I started 0.25 and you do it for about four weeks and then you go up to 0.5 and with the goal of getting to one milligram once a week. And so that's exciting.
I'm really excited for a Zimpak. That's so a couple of other really quick ones. Unless do you have any throw in? Have you been trying to do?
Well, I have been trying things. I'm going to save that for the category of COVID. Yes. Please continue.
All right. So a couple of other things. Fantastic article which we can put in the show notes from the Atlantic where they did, they found the Prozac of the Middle Ages is what they called it. So back in the Middle Ages, there used to be, they found out there were these nuns that used to get high off of taking saffron.
So saffron, like you have in cooking food is a very potent happy drug and they used to have these people call these croakers who are these people that harvest saffron and they would have to take a break when they were packaging the saffron to avoid getting the giggles because they would laugh so much from just packaging and smelling the stuff. And so saffron is super, it's almost like a, yeah, it's almost like a happy drug like a Prozac, but so I was doing some research and I was like, okay, maybe they'll have it in a supplement form. I found some like shady stuff on Amazon. I was like, I'm not going to do this.
But this company, I finally found one that I trust is Ollie Brand, OLLY, you probably seen it before, you can look it up in your show notes. They call it the Happy Gummy Worms and they offer gummy worms now that are infused with saffron with a good enough dose to get you a little bit of that, that happy feeling like this little bit of the croakies, little bit of the croakies. So that's fun to play with. And then the last one, I remember from four hour chef that good saffron, really good saffron is very expensive.
That was, yes, 100%. By weight, it's more expensive than gold, which is crazy. Do you know Zach Williams at all? If you're a man, Zach Williams, maybe.
Wait, I think I have in the Bay Area. Yeah, Rob Williams son. Yeah. I don't know if we've ever met in person.
So I shouldn't say, but there's a good chance that we've bumped into each other at some point. Yeah, and he's definitely in some similar friend circle, but Zach, it's just a fantastic human. And after his father, Rob Williams, passed away, he became obsessed with mental health and trying to figure out things that he could do that could improve people's wellbeing. And he came out with these moochos called PIM, P-Y-M.
They're on Amazon, you can link me in your show notes, but it's actually a really basic thing. He's just like healthy and lean and rhodiola, which is all these kind of really stress, like anti-anxiety type moochos. And he sent me some and I didn't try them for a while. And then Dari is like, I want to try some of these.
And my wife, she got hooked up. She's like, these are amazing. She's like, I don't even, she takes them and she's like, I don't even want to drink anymore. She's like, whatever.
She wants to, just take a couple. Wow. Yeah. And you know, she wants to drink.
Yeah. She still drinks, but not 10 AM, excuse me. Right, exactly. So that's a good 10 AM shoe.
But they're actually, they're awesome. And you know, I got to give Zach is like in this for the right reasons. I'm not putting any funky weird ingredients in it. And you know, he's just such a good human.
I wanted to give him a shout out because that's great. I will say also that I am a big fan of Elthianine for a number of reasons. It's really helpful for in some respects taking the edge off of coffee consumption. So if you have a way to coffee, well, that's what I mean.
So if you have a tendency to perhaps over caffeinate and get into the kind of creepy crawly train spotting end of the spectrum, then the Elthianine can help minimize some of that. Rhodiola is very interesting for developing endurance and for endurance output. Also that one is interesting on multiple levels. Do you have any idea why it's called PYM?
I believe that's his middle name. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, link to that in the show notes. PYM, original mood shoes, you can find them on Amazon. It was something like, it was also a huge victim in the supplement.
It was something like something in your mood, like prove your mood or improve. I can't remember what it was, but he also put it in the name of the actual shoe itself. He had a double meaning for it. I like simple interventions or simple supplements that have two or three variables because otherwise, if it's just a laundry list of 27 things, especially, and I say this as someone who knows this industry pretty well.
If it's a proprietary blend so you don't know the actual ratios of these ingredients, it's very hard if not impossible to determine what is doing what. Whereas if you have three, at the very least, if you then wanted to try to determine for yourself, which of those three was having an impact or not, right? There are ways to actually placebo blind as an N of one as a single subject. People can just look up quantified self and blinding or placebo control to learn more about that.
But you could actually do a deep dive on each of those three and further test to try to determine for yourself, which is not possible if you're just getting something with 30 or 40 or 50 ingredients, which you do see in some cases. Yeah, you'll see these proprietary blends and there's no clue how much they don't list any amounts in there. There's just 30 ingredients. Yeah, not very helpful.
As I've learned, I keep giving these teasers. I will say that when I was diagnosed with COVID, the very first thing I realized is if I were to take the advice of everyone sending the advice right now, I would almost certainly die of several dozen contraindications. What was the weirdest thing someone told you to do? Not the whale thing that I joke down.
I have to just say that we were joking about whale semen. I think gargling with whale semen or something or you said that I want to give you proper credit. And then I was joking with another friend of mine who asked me the same question. He's like, what's the best advice you've received?
And I said, well, I think somebody told me to gargle with horse semen. I used horse semen and he said, actually, it'd be great if after you recover, you talk about this seriously as an April Fool's joke because people would be jerking off horses around the planet. It would be the best prank ever. I did not end up deciding that would be a good idea.
But I mean, the most hairbrained kind of craziness you can imagine. I mean, every alternative remedy possible. So you pick it, there was a recommendation. It just kind of doesn't matter.
And we can come back to this, but it is interrelated with the problem of determining, not just determining causation but avoiding contraindications, which is really, really, really important. So we'll come back to that. And part of the reason I keep delaying this, folks, if they're just like, why the T is, why the T is because people get crazy on both sides. I've noticed that the people on far ends of the sort of conspiracy spectrum or on the political spectrum are kind of like a horseshoe when it comes to COVID.
They like bend around towards each other and they actually get very, very similar. So there's no way for me not to upset people when I talk about COVID and the various steps that I took and so on. I'm excited to hear this. We'll say it.
But it may be disappointing punchline for folks, but that's why we're pushing off because we have a lot of fun stuff to talk about. I will say, let me throw something in related, which was when I was isolating. So as soon as I was diagnosed, I ended up isolating about 24 hours or 36 hours later, first requested myself upstairs, my girlfriend stayed downstairs and then I ended up isolating myself in a separate location so that my girlfriend wouldn't get sick. And I found comedians and cars getting coffee to be an incredible, care my COVID grandma.
No, it's not a cure. I found it to be extremely psychologically helpful and a real gem of a discovery when I was stuck in this apartment by myself for 10 days. And so I would make a habit of watching two or three episodes when I got up in two or three episodes. If I got really tired, two or three episodes right before bed and it allowed me to obviously in a synthetic way, but to interact with people and to feel like I was socializing on some level, I loved it.
So I really, really, really applaud Jerry Seinfeld for first and foremost, designing a format for himself. The most fun and easy he could possibly have in putting together a show and for people who don't know the format, he basically gets to drive, he likes classic cars and cars in general. So he gets to drive an incredible classic car, different classic car every episode and he goes to pick up one of his friends to go get coffee and bullshit and talk about comedy and life and so on. And it gets cut down to 17 minutes.
It's just a genius format after coming out of the show Seinfeld in the 90s, which was, I don't want to say a death march, that's too severe, but it's so much work, right? So much incredible work to put that show together and to sustain it for that long. So to do the opposite and create a format that is really fun, really easy and excuse to hang out with your friends, kind of like the random show, quite frankly, it was great. So I really recommend people check out comedians and cars, getting coffee.
I watched on Netflix. Bob Einstein is probably my favorite episode. That's Super Dave, Larry David, also amazing. Sarah Silverman, always incredible.
Gary Shandling. And old timers, some of which are no longer with us, are kind of captured for posterity. So highly recommend comedians and cars, getting coffee. Speaking of things that just make you feel good, have you watched Ted Lasso?
I have not watched Ted Lasso yet. It's been recommended at least a thousand and one times to me and I haven't watched it yet. Tim and everyone else that hasn't watched it and everyone that has watched is screaming right now, yes, please, Tim, watch this, you have to see Ted Lasso. It is really, really good.
It is on the two watch list. What my girlfriend and I have been slowly shipping away at when we watch something short together, because we're not always in the mood to watch something that's 90 minutes or two hours long, like a future film. So we'll watch Schitt's Creek and we're making our way through all the seasons of Schitt's Creek, which is amazing. But Ted Lasso, I remember polling on social at one point, like what series should I binge watch next?
It needs to be of a certain length and it needs to be first and foremost feel good, right? Like if you get your ultimate taste kicked in during the day, this is something you would look forward to watching after such a day. And Ted Lasso was probably the most consistent recommendation. Dude, you have to do this, like tonight, like seriously.
It is really, it's funny, like when you think of like, for me, I'm not like a soccer fan or football, as they call it in some parts of the world. If it's a ball, I'm just not a fan. I've not that I couldn't get into it, but it's just like not from it's not about that. It's about the relationships and it's funny and sweet and it's endearing like there's a lot to love.
Anyway, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Sweet. Just a quick thanks to one of our sponsors and we'll be right back to the show.
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All right, K-ROS, what other news, what other exciting updates, finance, would you like to share? I have one last NFT thing and I promise we won't talk about NFTs because you and I both got the sickness. Oh, no, but you're doing a great job. I feel like I am doing a very junior varsity job.
I feel like you have sort of full spectrum expertise. I'm very impressed. You're like the, you're like a decaflete of NFTs right now. The, the, yeah, you're welcome.
You're welcome. Yeah. I've been very impressed with your, with your shot put especially. I think you and I are both kind of, tell me if this is true for you.
I think it is like, I like to go, well, it's definitely true for me. I like to go light on a lot of different things until I get hooked on something and then I go really, really deep. Yeah. If I get the hook.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's true. Yeah. So, so, so, so, so, so, I guess there's a couple things to mention. One, people should be aware of just an overarching trend that's happening in NFTs that is without a doubt the future.
So it's just important that people should know about this. Like Sarah Jessica Parker just a launch in NFT for her wine. And at first you think, everyone that thinks about NFTs, they think about, these are just pictures, their photos, their JPEGs, they're being captured in the blockchain, they're people who are trying to pretend they're art or whatever and they're selling them. And they don't necessarily think about actually the technology and how it can be applied to different things.
And what they have done with her wine company and what she has done that's really impressive is they've used NFTs as utilities. And so what I mean by that is if you collect one of her wine NFTs, it's not about saying this is a piece of art I'm going to hold in my home. It's about showing ownership over membership of something. So it's a membership to her wine clubs.
You get your wine allocation based on the fact that you actually hold one of these NFTs. So that may sound boring, but if you think about it, it's really interesting in that now that can be resold to someone else. Let's say I buy an allocation of her wine. That was going to be my main question, not to interrupt, but I will.
Yeah. Like wine clubs have existed for a long time, right? Or you have like Soho House and you have membership. So people have figured out how to have exclusive membership.
So is the unique aspect of this that the sale of that NFT cannot or in this case isn't being constrained? Right. Well, think of it this way. Let's think about some of the most scarce things in the wine world and let's talk about Napa Valley for a second.
There are two wineries that are far and above like the cult, like hottest wineries in Napa Valley. It's Screaming Eagle and it's Harlan Estate. And I say that with a cyclon for like some advisory board of Harlan Estate, but these, well, it's fantastic wine. It really is.
Everyone would agree with that same as in the wine world. It is. Now, imagine you don't exclude me just because I'm not in the wine world. I enjoy Harlan Estate.
Yeah, you know what? You know what I'm saying? Usually when I'm just writing on your coattails, but that's okay. But imagine Harlan, you know, let's take Screaming Eagle because I don't want to show my own stuff here.
Because I believe it's around $4,000 a bottle right now, which is just madness, right? But the wait list to get on their actual allocation is something like 20 to 30 years. So that means if you go to their website today and say, I want to sign up for your wine program, it's going to take you 20 to 30 years to even get considered to be offered an allocation. And that's not just because they're being dicks.
It's actually a very small producer. So they don't have a lot of wine to sell. So they have to wait for people to come off of that wait list. Now in fairness, they could expand production if they wanted, but they know how to constrain supply because it's ultra premium, right?
Well, yes and no, but they have this hillside that is very, has very specific climate, very specific soil conditions like that you can't just grow that without compromising some quality, right? Yeah. So there's other ways you could do a sub-brand or something like that. You could expand.
They actually have one called Second Flight, which is like they're smaller, less expensive, $500 bottle kind of sub-brand type thing. So imagine membership is no longer about someone retiring and the new person coming on, but about it being a liquid environment. So if I had a membership, I'm like, Tim, I want to get rid of my Screaming Eagle membership. I bought it when this NFT was $100 10 years ago.
And now what would that cost? I bet you that membership would go for $25, $50,000 or more. And so now that can be re-screening. You're on a stream, Eagle?
Yes. Or minimum. I mean, if the model costs Ford, it's just bragging. I should say just.
But a lot of the value is in bragging rights, right? Just having access. So somebody, there's no ceiling for what? Some of it.
Right. So now here's the crazy thing. When I sell that to, let's say I sell it to you, because of what's written into the code in the smart contract behind the scenes for the NFT, 10% of that sale could go back to the manufacturers, to the producer. So they are, in essence, the artist receiving a commission on the resale of their membership.
So these types of utility NFTs are going to be coming and it's not just going to apply to wine. It can be applied to individual objects as well. So imagine no longer waiting in line for some crazy Supreme Drop or some easy sneaker drop. You get the NFT instead and then price discovery happens in the secondary market via NFTs.
And then if you decide to destroy the NFT, you'll actually get shipped the actual shoes from the manufacturer, gets rid of fraud at the same time. It's amazing. You're sending it to a wallet that is known to be inaccessible. Well what you would do is, let's say for example, that, and this doesn't exist today, but it will in the near future.
So this is coming. Let's say you have a limited edition Air Jordan NFT, right? And you're like, I actually want this pair of shoes. You bought it in the secondary market.
It started selling Nike sold it for $250. You bought it for $1000 and you're like, it's going for $2000, but I actually want the pair. So rather than have to go on eBay or any of the secondary marketplaces and figure out are these legit shoes. I know there's other places that are clearing houses to determine whether or not they're legit, but you could go direct to Nike and say, Nike, here's my wallet.
I'm going to connect my actual cryptocurrency wallet. Here's my NFT. So I prove that I have the rights to one of these pairs of shoes. Now take my NFT and you will destroy it.
And in return, you'll present me with a form where I put in my shipping address and you'll actually ship me the physical shoes. It is so cool and it's coming. So anyway, that's a little preamble on what is going on in the industry. So I have a little announcement to make.
So I have a podcast called Proof that is all about covering the NFT space. And I've been lucky to have a pretty decent audience. We're up to 250,000 downloads per episode now, which is just crazy for the NFT world. And I'm going to be offering a utility NFT to these listeners.
So I'm going to do 1000 NFTs in total that are utility and they will unlock early access to podcasts, a private collector's only Discord, and unfortunately, a bunch of perks that I have planned, but I can't talk about. I talk to some legal counsel and they always say, don't promise things like overdeliver, but don't making outrageous promises. But rest assured, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that this membership is just awesome. But Tim, I don't want this to be a commercial.
I think this is going to apply to all podcasts, dude. I think that there's a world where in my mind, I don't know, you might cut this out. You might cut this out, but I'm going to say anyway, don't cut it out. You do this every other random show and I usually keep it at go ahead.
We'll say, I would buy one of your NFTs, just not to hear your ads, dude. Like if I could get a Tim utility NFT, cut out the ads, get access to episodes and behind the scenes, like additional extended footage, this is where things are going to go. Like you'll hold something and whoever the creator is is going to provide additional benefits, additional things for their audience. I'm telling you in the next two years, you'll see so many podcasts adopting this type of model, not just podcasts, but sites in general will be adopting this type of model.
So if someone buys Kev Kev NFT, it's called proof, the proof NFT. Yes. I love you're trying to rename it Kev Kev. So when people buy the proof Kev Kef Kef NFT, they could also flip that and sell that six months later to give someone else the same access.
That's right. You sell the NFT off to someone else and then they immediately receive all the perks going forward from that point. You're such a crafty little monkey. You really are.
Dude, you're going to be doing this. You know this could be applicable to what you're doing. I know it could be. Honestly, I feel like I've been thinking and cogitating and meditating on this too long.
And honestly, the novelty of all of this will have worn off by the time I do anything. And therefore I have less interest. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know. I'm curious that here from you. Why do this? You have a great life, great setup, got plenty of things to keep you busy.
Why do this of all things that you could do? Like what do you get out of this? I mean, of course you could get income from the initial sales of the Kev Kef Kef Kef NFT, the proof NFT. But there have to be other reasons.
So why are you doing this? This is at my core. It's one of the proof podcasts is probably since Ignatian is in, you know, obviously I show. Oh, stinger.
Oh, stinger. No, I would say it's the most fun that I've ever had, dude. Like I'm, I think we're both in this boat of like being creative people. I love building things.
I've been a builder and entrepreneur for many times. Is this a breakup conversation? Is this the song? No, this is not a song.
I'm just saying like the reason I want to do it is because I want to help these artists get off the ground. And I think that this is the future. I truly believe that in, you know, a hundred years from now, we'll look back on crypto punks and these early project is being a changing of the guard and a brand new shift and a way to capture value. And we're in the very first innings.
It's the same excitement level I got in 2004 when I started dig at the very beginning of web two, web three has the same gut. I wake up at five AM. I can't stop thinking about things. Tim, when you were laying on my couch and we were in Martha, you said the same thing.
You're like, I can't sleep. I know I know I can sleep. It's so exciting. And I get when you get that much excitement, I'm like, how can I help make this a reality?
And that's what I want to do. So you know what? I'm going to share one of those ideas right now because if he hasn't grabbed it by now, he should have grabbed it. Yes.
I love this. So we couldn't sleep. We're thinking of all of these maybe genius, mostly half-assed. A ridiculous idea.
We got to tell you what I do is first. Yeah. All right. So well, that was come up a couple of times on the podcast.
I doubt it. Go for it. Give it a quick summary. So in the world of web three and crypto, there's something called the Dow.
It's a decentralized autonomous organization. It basically means a fancy way of saying a group of people coming together, decentralized being like independently to work on something together, work on a project together, collect enough teas together, whatever it may be. So a Dow is a very common, it's like saying like a new corporation or a new LLC. So there's all these Dow's, just flamingo Dow.
There's like many Dow's, me and Dow's friends have benefited. There's so many million of them and there are going to be a billion more of them. Yeah. Okay.
So and you can use them or I should say design them for many, many different purposes. And so for the few days that we're in Martha, everyone's drinking booze, we're routinely just coming up with more and more ridiculous Dow's that could be. And I want the Tim Tim Dow. The Tim Tim Dow would be huge.
Right. The Tim Tim Dow. I was, for whatever reason, thinking of cartoons, because as you mentioned, I used to be an illustrator and paid a lot of my expenses in college as a graphic illustrator for magazines and so on. And I was thinking of cartoons and then I realized, Oh my God, I need to send a text to Scott Adams.
So for those who don't know, I'll actually back into it. So the Dow is called Dildow, D-I-L-D-A-O. And the Dildow would be a Dow for fans of Dilbert and one of the most successful comic strips of all time. And so I texted.