555. Navigating the Gray: Rethinking Pain, Wellness, and the Future of Physical Therapy

In this  episode of the Healthcare Education Transformation Podcast, Dr. F. Scott Feil speaks with clinician, educator, and thought leader Dr. Mark Kargela about the limitations of traditional tissue-based physical therapy models and the rise of pain science-informed care. From his own educational journey and disillusionment with manual therapy to embracing ambiguity and patient-centered narratives, Dr. Kargela shares insights on how clinicians can better address the complex 10–20% of patients who don't respond to conventional care. The conversation dives into how physical therapists can use psychologically informed strategies, adopt wellness-based business models, and even leverage epigenetics and culturally aware care to improve long-term outcomes. If you’re a PT, educator, or student, this episode is a masterclass in clinical growth, communication, and the future of healthcare delivery.🔗 Learn More About Our Guest At:Website: ModernPainCare.comYouTube & Podcast: Modern Pain PodcastInstagram/Threads: @mkargeldptWaitlist for Upcoming Pain Program: modernpaincare.com/painprogram🧠 Special Feature:Last but not least, if you would like to improve your critical thinking, decision making skills, metacognition, and independent thinking...join the Metacognition of Leadership Institute (M.O.L.I.) at: HETMOLI.comFeel free to reach out to us:🌐 Healthcare Education Transformation Podcast 📘 Facebook 🐦 Twitter 📸 Instagram: @hetpodcast | @pteducatorSubscribe to the Healthcare Education Transformation Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts!