56. The Cycle of Abundance, Healing Our Finances, and How to Manifest with Jesse-Susannah Karnatz

We often think of money solely in objective terms, but our finances are also emotional and spiritual. In this episode, Kimberlee talks with “The Money Witch” Jesse-Susannah Karnatz about the amazing work she’s doing to help people heal their relationships with money. Jesse-Susannah explains why so many people think they’re bad with money and describes how you can begin to shift that mindset to one of abundance. Jesse-Susannah is an author, leader of the Money Coven, and coach providing capitalism-critical, shame-free education. Episode Recap:Today we’re talking with “The Money Witch,” Jesse-Susannah Karnatz (0:56)Manifestation is about getting out of your own way (5:26)Can you tell us about the kinds of work you do? (8:00)Why do people think they’re bad with money? (15:30)There’s no shame in having debt (19:51)Abundance is a cycle (28:31)Your finances need love, not willpower (33:36)How to learn more from Jesse-Susannah (38:00)Resources:Find every episode of the Fiscal Feminist podcast“The Fiscal Feminist” bookMoney Witch WebsiteFollow Money Witch on Instagram and YouTubeMoney CovenMoney Witch productsApply for one-on-one coaching “Money Magic” by Jesse-Susannah KarnatzQuotes:“My business subtitle is ‘Heal your finances.’ So, it’s Money Witch: Heal Your Finances. What I mean when I say healing is it’s a movement of energy. We want to experience shift. We want to experience ourself being able to respond differently to something we’ve been stuck in in the past. We want to come full circle to like a moment where we know, in the past I might have done this, but now I’m choosing to do this. More intentionality, less impulsivity, less reactivity. That’s what I see as healing.”“Your finances need more love, not more willpower. A lot of times when we’re trying to shift something in our financial life, we’re operating from a shame-based place, and we get into this willpower ethic thing, where we’re like, ‘I’m going to just try the same thing I’ve been trying, and I’m going to try it again, but this time I’m going to do it better because I’ll be a better person and I’ll just do it.’ And I don’t think that is very self-loving or very wise. We really have to dig in and look at what needs to iterate in the plan. If there’s something that you just cannot get done, whether it’s making a budget, doing your bookkeeping, filing your taxes on time without filing an extension, any of these things, really start looking at why that is and how can you iterate the plan and try something different.”