It's the story of Carrie White without all that nerdy-ass subtext. If you've got a taste for terror, take Carrie to the prom. This week on Kingme, Carrie 2002. Kingme.
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The problem with that word is that it's very satisfying to say. Because it is so hurtful. I was in the car with my mom the other day. I thought she was being a real.
I was getting a little road rage and saying the B word. And of course you love to rage out. Everyone who knows you know this thing. And she like she one ups me like the road rage.
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Great character. Yeah. This is Carrie right? We're talking about.
Yeah. Yeah. Hey hey speaking of toxic relationships with your mother. Hey.
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So this week we're talking about Carrie from 2002. I like how in the intro you said Carrie 2002. Like it was a robot or something. Yeah.
Hey I'll tell you what. This movie's got all the emotional pathos of a robot. I'll tell you that much right now. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm being unfair. Yeah I don't want to get off of it. I'm just a little rant here.
Yeah well yeah it's Carrie it's from 2002. And I want anyone to think we were loco. This is directed by David Carson. Yes.
What the fuck did he do? He directed some. Hey hey what did he ever do? Directed me a lot of TV.
A lot of TV shows. Oh he's a TV guy. A lot of movie made for TV movies. He directed Star Trek Generations from 1994.
So he's a guy. He's done some stuff. He's a schlockmonger. Yeah okay.
So this I did want to talk about. So written obviously a novel by Stephen King. And the screenplay here by Brian Fuller. Now Dan do you know who that is?
You know what I mean? That name sounds very familiar. And I'm trying to get over to his IMDb page but I'm pushing a lot of bandwidth right now. So you might just want to tell me.
I'm just going to tell you. He's a showrunner and creator. He's been like just fucking doing it for. Oh my, oh wow.
He works on pushing daisies. He's the creator of God's. Yeah he's the creator of Dead Like Me pushing daisies Hannibal. And fuck.
In American Gods. Wow he's really coming to his own. Yeah I'll say. I actually I heard him on another podcast which I cannot remember what it was right now because it was a few weeks ago.
But on that podcast he was like they were talking to him about American Gods and Hannibal and shit. And he brought up writing this. And I was like wait what? Did he really?
Yeah. He wrote some Star Trek episodes before this. But I think this was sort of his biggest thing to date. And he was actually he was talking about how he wasn't he's not like too thrilled with how it all turned out.
Like as far as like his end of it as well. Yeah I was going to say because it's not like especially well written. No. You don't feel like it was just a good script made poorly.
Right and I don't know. Have you seen Hannibal or American Gods or any of his previous stuff? I haven't seen either of those. I've seen a few episodes of American Gods and it's I mean the writing is very solid.
I heard it's great. It's good. It's really good. This is like it's kind of weird.
And he even says that he's like he's too slavish to the original material. So it's not like he didn't take it and make it his own. He sort of like tried to adapt it as close as possible. Yeah I can imagine like being in that position.
You know all you've done is like written on one TV show. And then you're interested with not just Stephen King property but like the one of the most famous ones. Like the one that I mean it's the first movie we did on the show. So it's the first Stephen King adaptation.
It's a classic. It was you know it's a Brian DePaul movie. There's it yeah it sets the groundwork for like just a whole bunch of shit that comes after it. Right.
I mean this is it's his first Stephen King's first novel and it's the first fucking Stephen King adaptation. This is right started at all baby. Not to mention like you know I would imagine as a writer of TV and or movies you are well aware of the fact that Stephen King didn't like the shining right. So you probably go into it with a sense of like I can't win here.
Well yeah. I'm gonna make Stephen King upset. I wonder and really the best way to avoid doing that is to be slavish to the source material. Well yeah that's what Stephen King wants.
And yeah I got you know it's also like it's a major TV movie from 2002. I'm sure there wasn't like a lot riding on this. No. So it seems like it's just like a.
I don't know how to sci-fi channel original but maybe it's not a lifetime channel original. Yeah it could have been. No it couldn't have been. Oh no.
No it couldn't have been. I mean. No think about what you're saying to me right now. Think about what you're saying to me.
Right now. Right now. Yeah at this moment. All right well where have you landed on the matter.
Could this have been a lifetime original movie bro? I guess not. Ah ha. All right.
You're off the show. Oh no. This is as well. Me now.
It was a good run guys. I'll see y'all. Bookend. See y'all next week and you know we say here on King Me to Close Out the Show punch it up.
That's right. Yeah so. Oh man this is. Yeah no this is weird.
What's weird? Oh we have so much to talk about here. Get the ball rolling. Not shot.
That's one way to do it. OK so all right who's in this fucking movie. Let's talk about that. Oh I remember what I wanted to do for the opening now.
Can we start over. Do you want to just do it now? No you know what maybe I'll cut it in after. OK.
And surprise you. OK that's fine. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. All right I like surprises.
All right. This movie is starring Angela Bettis as Carrie. Patricia Clarkson, Rina Sofer. Candace McClure.
Emily. Her name is spelled very early 2000s. Candace McClure. It's got a K and a Y and that's too much.
And it really threw off all hooks on Hooked on Phonics Avon over here. Yeah like Candy Candy's Candice. Candice McClure. Candice?
Yeah Emily Deraven. I don't know. I don't know. I have fun with it you know.
Who else is in this fucking thing? David Keith. David fucking Keith. So yeah you want to talk about the fucking King Alums right off the bat?
Let's talk about David Keith. The dad from Firestarter. What? Yeah.
That guy. Guess who was happy. What's that? I guess who was happy to see him.
You? It was me. Yeah probably his agent at the time. I was going to say me.
But then I thought about it. I was like he's not what I like about that movie. Who else? Patricia Clarkson.
She was in the Green Mile. She had a big old brain tumor that John Coffee faced. Yeah he did. So I sucked it right up with a straw.
Oh well here's the problem. You got a bunch of moths in your head. OK now it's like weird fucking deep cuts. Yeah you want to talk about Miles Meadows?
Yeah. Because I sure fucking do. I have one more after him. But yes let's talk about Miles Meadows.
Miles Meadows was he's in the Mangler too. That's right. A Banana Boys alum. Banana Brothers excuse me.
Yeah we're the banana boys. They're the banana brothers. Stay in your lane Banana Brothers. Yeah he's the stoner or druggy kid.
Yeah yeah. Tried to make him a stoner but he seemed a lot like methier. Right. And nothing has changed here.
I think he's still on the pipe. Yeah luckily his role is like great is much smaller in this. I was very glad that we didn't have to hear that much from him. Because he's you know maybe he's grown a lot as an actor.
Maybe he's you know Hannibal himself even. He's eating his own brain. But yeah no he was unwatchable in the Mangler too. And I was equally delighted and infuriated to see him.
Yeah you might remember the Mangler too as the longest episode that we've done so far. But also one of most fun. What a time. What a great time.
It was great. Friendship's important. It's very important. OK I actually have two more.
I lied. Cool. Thanks for lying. Yeah no problem.
You know the there's a scene where Carrie is walking home. And a kid like a taxor like comes up behind and scares her on a bicycle and then she throws that kid into a tree. That child is. Oh since we didn't talk about it on the next episode.
Which you know we recorded one. Oh he's a future alum. He's a future alum. Yeah we recorded one before Dan moved away.
And which is going to be coming out I believe that's next week. No that's too easy. But he is also. But I just died hold on.
He's also a dudits in Dreamcatcher. No kidding. Yeah the kid on the bike. Did you did you have like instant visual on that?
You were like oh that's I know a dudits when I see. Yeah like this dudits motherfucker right here. Look at this. Who to a who taught dudits to write a bike.
You said who dudits I dudits. I dudits. And just to be clear that kid on the bike is not Donnie Wahlberg. Yeah no not Donnie.
And then there's one more OK. Hold on what is this girl's name. I'm going to say it's Shailin Simmons. You see her?
I mean start with an SH. It starts with a CHCLAN. Yeah I got nothing right. I got nothing for all the.
She's in Simmons anyway. I'm going to show that's the closest thing to a name I could come up with. She was in it from 1990. Was she?
Yeah this girl is she's one of the friends of Chris here in the movie. She's the one who's like not quite so bad. She's the blonde one. Like sure who like sees she's not part of the plan and then like towards the end like in the prom or whatever she like sees like something about to happen.
But in the 1990s it she was the little girl who she's a little girl who dies like in the first scene. Oh yeah. So how about that? Yeah how about this weird TV movie has so many connections to like other Stephen King movies.
It's very it's very fun. Which like yeah I mean on one hand. Wait can you hear me? Yeah.
OK I can't hear me. That's OK. No no no it's OK. No it's fine.
It's actually very good that I can't hear myself. But yeah it almost makes sense. This being Carrie this being a very important Stephen King property that you get this reunion of weirdos from B projects Yeah together. No it doesn't.
Right. It's a stretch. Who else is in this? Catherine Isabel.
She plays the PJ Soles character. Yeah I caught someone doing like a very half ass PJ Soles thing. Yeah. Was that I guess that was her.
That was her. She's in a couple like pretty decent horror movies, ginger snaps, American Mary some some shit. Well these people are in some stuff you know. Yeah who did I just see?
She's in Kevin in the woods. Jo Del Ferland who played Little Carrie. Oh yeah. Would grow up.
Yeah she. Oh let me get a pull up her IMDB. I just clicked on her randomly and turns out she is a patient sputner in Kevin in the woods. Yeah she's also in a Teragelian movie called Tiedland that I've never heard of.
And Silent Hill the movie. Yeah. I don't know. That's weird.
Yeah. So this movie's a real launching pad. It's a real launch pad, McQuack. It's a real who's who of people you see and you go.
Yeah. Right. Who's that? It's less of a who's who and more about who's that?
Yeah. Yeah. So so okay. So this movie this movie is fine.
It's fine. It's fine. It's essentially the same exact thing as the original Carrie film with like some like modern dialogue like shoe horned in. Yeah.
Yeah. So throwing tampons at her they throw iPod first generations. Oh. Yeah.
Yeah. Actually we might still be a few years away from that. Uh, Tamagachi? Uh, a Walkman?
Well with the shock absorber like the later ones. The better ones. Go running with your Walkman. Carry a CD player with you to go running.
Uh we did it. We all did it though. We did it. And now we're all in incredible physical shape.
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. It is.
What is this movie about? This is about what happens when you tell your daughter from like age four that hits her evil and they're actually called Dirty Pillows. Yeah. Those are weird wrinkles that they threw in that she started laying that groundwork when Carrie was like, ah baby.
Yeah. That it's 30 pillows. Yeah. Yeah.
Which like is confusing because that scene starts with the little girl asking what's that? Or what are those? Yeah. I like her addressing them individually.
Yeah. What's that? Well that's a breast. Okay.
And what's that? It's on a different side. Yeah. Yeah.
There's a flashback scene where we see a little Carrie. She like kind of like wanders over to her neighbor's house and I guess the young the daughter that lives there is sunbathing topless and Carrie's like, hey, let me just barge in here. What's going on? And then her mom comes out and like immediately is like, she calls the daughter like whore girl or something.
Yeah. Immediately calls her like a pig whore or something. Oh my god. The mom.
The mom's reaction is just like, now Mrs. White, I've asked you a few times not to call my daughter. Yeah. It's very just like, come on.
Yeah. Oh, this again. Yeah. This is old.
This is old bullshit. Yeah. Insanely patient to the woman who just screamed a pig whore at your daughter. Yeah.
But then what's the daughter say back? She's got calls her. Oh wait, maybe the daughter calls her a pig like a big bitch. Now I'm just having fun.
Yeah. You pig. Yeah. That's that's definitely my own.
Yeah. So, I don't know. The opening titles, it starts with the rocks falling. Yeah.
Like the same thing as Rose Red, but you know, a little bit different there. A little bit. I really don't know how to talk about this movie without just like rehashing everything we said about Carrie, the first Carrie, but without like any of the metaphors or any of the subtext. Right.
Yeah. It really has been stripped away of like any sort of subtext and it's very, it's just. It's just hard to do because like, you know, like the iconic images of this movie revolve around blood. Right.
Like there's a lot of loaded stuff going on here and to just make it feel so flat is a weird sort of achievement. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like the, yeah, the real differences are like just that they 90s or early 2000s did up by mentioning email once and having Carrie not know how to Google search.
Right. Still figuring out Google. I think they're asking Jeeves at this point. Wow.
There was, there was a time in history where adults knew more about Googling than the kids did. That's a, it was a better time. Yeah, it's a better time. So, yeah, we get the scene where like the shower scene where everybody is like, you know, like yelling at her and like making fun of her for getting her period in the shower.
Right. So she starts like freaking out and she's actually like, she's in like the fetal position on the shower floor. Yeah. But teacher comes in.
I don't know. I thought, I think everybody did like a fine job. I don't think anybody was like, especially bad or anything like bad. Like the girl who plays Carrie, what did you think of her?
She's fine. Like a little too like quivering the entire time. Yeah. And like not even like that's a bad character choice.
It's just annoying to watch after a certain point. Yeah. You're right. I don't know.
There's something about like Sissy Space. Oh, it seemed like, um, like she had like an innocence to her, but she's still like, was curious and she would still want it to be like a young girl, you know, right? Yeah. This girl seems like, I don't know, you can like, yeah, she seems like she, she survived like a war.
They've lost an other. What? No, no, no. How could you?
That's on you, man. But yeah, no, this version of Carrie seems like she survived Vietnam. She is just like ruined by her upbringing. Yeah.
She's constantly like shaking and going cross-eyed. Oh my God. Why? Why was she going cross-eyed?
I don't know. I think that's just like one of this, this actress's like special skills is like. You think it's on her resume? Her CV?
Yeah. Can like, it's not even like full cross-eyed. Like one eye is straight and the other one goes like in. Yeah.
Like, I was trying to think, it almost reminded me of, I don't know, like in a very broad comedy where someone gets like kicked in the nuts. Just, oh, their eyes go crossed. Yeah. Or like doesn't, or like the scene where in Ghostbusters where Dan Acro is getting a ghost blowjob, I feel like his eyes would go crossed in that.
Such a spooky blowjob. It's too scary. I can't watch it. I mean, he was the slimmer that day.
Oh. It's too early. Oh, sorry. Let me close it up.
Okay. I don't even know now if I'm going to do it later. Because now I'm tired. Very tired.
Oh, excuse me. So yeah, that's, you know, Kerry in this is like, she's much more like, I don't know, scared of everything. Yeah, she's a little coward. Yeah.
Yeah. What about, what about, uh, Susan? Oh, she's exactly the same. It's your smell.
In every way. Yeah. Yeah. So you smell same in every way.
Same in every way. Oh, except for one thing. What is it? Well, I mean, among other things.
She's black now. Oh, what do you think of, what do you think of black snow? Watch yourself. Oh, man.
Yeah. I thought she was fine. I don't know. Yeah.
No, I mean, like, I feel like this version of Sue Snell is like nicer from the outset. Yeah. I don't know if you'd agree with that. Well, yeah.
There's like, there's, I guess, like the ending. So this whole like movie plays out in sort of in flashbacks. So like David Keith plays a detective, right? Who want, who's trying to find out what happened at the prom?
Why there's like, I don't know, 200 people dead. He didn't even hear about the fire. He was just like, he's a gossip queen. So tell me everything.
Yeah, just let's really dish here. He starts. Yeah. The movie.
He's like, it's weird because he's like interrogating people, but he's also like, it's in his bedroom. He's laying on a stomach with his feet up in the air. Oh, yeah. And there's a canopy around the bed.
It's all right. Mentioning. Yeah. It's weird, though.
He does. This is not a joke. He does start Sue Snell's interrogation by saying, you ever do heroin sue? It's like heroin?
Well, cocaine. Surely you've done ecstasy here and there. Are you all the horses? Sussanel.
She's 16 to 17 years old. What are you doing? Yeah. I feel like you'd know if she were shooting heroin.
Yeah. She was nodding out the entire time. Yeah. Also, is it customary for the person running the video camera to stay in the room?
You know, I don't know how that works. I was wondering. I mean, I don't see why not, but because they're not like they're not being arrested or anything. It is just more of an interview than an interrogation to like get something.
Yeah. Tell him that to Detective David Keith. It's very aggressive. I'm not.
I'm not. The whole movie basically takes place in Flashback. David Keith is interviewing all these like people that are still alive after the prom to find out what happened at the fucking prom. So I don't know.
Whenever the undercuts. It undercuts. From the future and they're going like back in time like a it lowers the stakes because you know who lives and who dies and stuff, you know? Right.
And like it totally undercuts the climax of like that the action of the climax of the movie. Right. It sucks. I think I think this movie also.
Yeah. That's one of the fact that you've already seen the original carry. Yes and no. Because like, I mean, the way the the police interview stuff is that really only works if you haven't seen it.
Because like, you know who lives and dies, but you don't know what happens until it happens. Yeah. Sort of. Well, but yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. There's like it in the original carry like everybody in that auditorium in that gymnasium dies, right? Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. Leading up to the actual prom scene here, David Keith keeps interviewing like new people. So you see people that would have like were dead in the first movie or first adaptation of it and they're not dead here.
So you're kind of like, well, what actually did happen? You know, like how many people are actually dead? And it turns out that everybody except for like the five people, any interviewed are dead. Yeah.
And they all seem like pretty okay. They're all very fine. Like, yeah, like Sue Snell in the original. Yeah.
The movie ends with her dealing with her PTSD. Yeah, the movie ends with her screaming. Yeah. This one ends with her giving Carrie a ride.
Yeah. Like like mouthing off to the detective and then yeah, just driving Carrie out of town. Yeah, just giving her a ride. Yeah.
That's the other thing. I mean, you know, spoilers for the end or whatever, but Carrie lives at the end. Yeah. And she like again, like, just like drives her into the country and like sets her free.
Tells her to look at the lake and shoots her in the back of the head. Yeah. Tell me, tell me more about the rabbits there. Tell me more about the pillows.
Yeah. No, it's I don't know. I feel like if nothing else, Sue Snell should have a problem with the fact that she, you know, kind of like she's the one who put Carrie at the prom. It was her right telling Tommy to take her.