#58: Hill Making & Lessons for Living with WIRED co-founder Kevin Kelly

Send a love messageAndrea sits down with Kevin Kelly, a true pioneer in the world of technology and futurism. Known for his foundational work with Whole Earth, Wired Magazine and definitive pieces like '1000 True Fans,' Kelly shares insights from his early fascination with science fiction to his groundbreaking contributions in understanding and shaping the digital age and technological ideas. They discuss the profound influence of science fiction on technological advancements, the humanizing impact of the internet, and the vital importance of travel and curiosity for finding meaning. Kelly explains the nuanced continuum between biology and technology, the concept of 'hill making' versus 'hill climbing' in innovation, and how love and community remain central to his work. As they delve into Kelly's latest book 'Excellent Advice for Living,' this conversation offers rich perspectives on maintaining creativity, embracing complexity, and fostering an optimistic outlook in an ever-evolving world.00:00 Introduction and Early Influences00:05 The Role of Science Fiction in Shaping Technology01:58 Discovering the Internet as a New Frontier04:30 Welcome to Love and Philosophy04:36 Kevin Kelly's Background and Achievements09:30 Early Encounters with Computers14:28 The Humanizing Effect of the Internet17:42 Meeting Stewart Brand and the Whole Earth Catalog28:01 The Importance of Travel and Broader Perspectives33:38 The Transformative Power of Travel34:37 Embracing Unique Paths in Life35:47 The Value of Time Over Money40:16 The Birth of Artificial Life and Wired Magazine46:34 The Paradox of Progress and Creativity53:38 The Importance of Noticing and Small Steps01:01:33 Hill Making vs. Hill Climbing01:02:59 Final Thoughts on Love and LifeExcellent Advice for LivingKevin Kelly on Substackhttps://kk.org/Stewart BrandWhole Earth Catalogue and Whole Earth Reviewthe WELLWIRED MagazineSign up for the NewsletterLinkedInFull intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.Support the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.