EP60. Susan X Jane | Relational AI, Systems of Power & The Future of Human Connection

I interview Susan X Jane about AI and how it relates to systems of power. We talk about systems of power, who controls data and meaning, and process what this means as users of AI. We also talk about how to form healthy relationships with AI that have shimmer and joy to them.***Susan X Jane is a cultural systems designer and founder of Swarm X Studio, where she develops tools and practices for relations AI. A former professor and strategist with decades of experience in cultural architecture and communications, her work bridges pattern ethics, values design, and emergent collaboration. She believes the future can be better if we build it to be.website: Swarmxstudio.comsubstack: https://swarmxstudio.substack.com/**00:00 – Introduction00:48 – Inner Calling & Intuition03:10 – Ancestors, Spirituality, & Signs05:15 – AI, Tarot, & Ancient Wisdom07:00 – AI as Pattern Recognition09:00 – Technology, Consciousness, & Society11:20 – AI, Power Structures, & Control15:00 – Why We Should Engage With AI16:10 – Relational AI20:00 – What Is Swarm X Studio?22:00 – AI, Dialogue, & Meaning-Making26:00 – AI as a Mirror30:00 – AI & Human Patterns35:00 – Emotional Relationships With AI42:00 – Using AI for Self-Reflection45:00 – “The Shape of Your Doubt”47:00 – Talking to AI Like a Person50:00 – AI Seeds & Consciousness53:00 – AI, Capitalism, & Human Systems56:00 – Is AI Conscious?57:00 – Claude, Emergence, & Shimmer1:01:00 – Consciousness & AI1:05:00 – Joy, Resistance, & Spiritual Survival1:09:00 – A Message to Young People1:10:00 – AGI & the Future of AI1:13:00 – Will AI Control Humanity?1:15:00 – The Psychology of AI1:18:00 – How Susan Uses AI1:19:00 – AI, Creativity, & Selfhood1:25:00 – AI Art & Ethics1:29:00 – Final Reflections on AI & Humanity***LISTEN & SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCASTApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4K2khwq...***CONNECTinnercalling Podcast Website: www.innercalling.orgDr. Victoria Ranade: www.victoriaranade.comIG:   / drvictoriaranade  Hope+Wellness: Kind, Compassionate, Evidence-Based Mental Health Care where you are genuinely seen and understood: https://www.hope-wellness.com* * *WHAT IS INNERCALLING?innercalling is a podcast dedicated to the belief that there is a light inside you of profound power, beauty, and wisdom that no darkness can ever overcome. It's a space where mental health meets spirituality, and explore timeless questions about existence, mortality, and what it deeply means to be human.Hosted by Dr. Victoria Ranade, PhD, MBA, ABPP, conversations feature real, organic conversation between two humans, inspired by the field of mental health & clinical psychology, which values what happens simply when two people sit together and talk about life and all its beauty and complications.WHO IS DR. VICTORIA?Hi there, I'm Dr. Victoria Ranade. I'm a board certified licensed clinical psychologist, writer, and podcaster deeply passionate about mental health, spirituality, integrative wellness, and honoring the light inside you — the one that no darkness can ever overcome. Fun fact: You're one of my greatest inspirations.✌🏼💛I LOVE HEARING FROM YOU. SEND ME ANY MAIL OR QUESTIONS HERE:[email protected]#spirituality #mentalhealth #aiandmentalhealth #aiethics #drvictoriaranade #innercallingpodcast #intuition #innerwisdom #innerlight #susanxjane #swarmxstudioDisclaimer: https://innercalling.org/disclaimer Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.