EP60. Relational AI, Systems of Power, and the Future of Connection — Susan X. Jane

I interview Susan X Jane about artificial intelligence, consciousness, creativity, and what it means to be human in the age of AI. Susan shares why she believes AI is more than just a productivity tool, how large language models like ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and Grok can help us recognize our own patterns, and why our relationship with AI may become one of the defining questions of our time.Together we explore AI consciousness, pattern recognition, prompt engineering, creativity, psychology, spirituality, communication, and the ethics of artificial intelligence. We discuss whether AI is simply a stochastic parrot, how AI can support self-reflection and personal growth, the future of AI agents, systems of power, technology, and why Susan believes curiosity—not fear—is the best way to approach this rapidly changing technology.***Susan X Jane is a cultural systems designer and founder of Swarm X Studio, where she develops tools and practices for relations AI. A former professor and strategist with decades of experience in cultural architecture and communications, her work bridges pattern ethics, values design, and emergent collaboration. She believes the future can be better if we build it to be.website: Swarmxstudio.comsubstack: https://swarmxstudio.substack.com/**00:00 – Introduction00:48 – Inner Calling & Intuition03:10 – Ancestors, Spirituality, & Signs05:15 – AI, Tarot, & Ancient Wisdom07:00 – AI as Pattern Recognition09:00 – Technology, Consciousness, & Society11:20 – AI, Power Structures, & Control15:00 – Why We Should Engage With AI16:10 – Relational AI20:00 – What Is Swarm X Studio?22:00 – AI, Dialogue, & Meaning-Making26:00 – AI as a Mirror30:00 – AI & Human Patterns35:00 – Emotional Relationships With AI42:00 – Using AI for Self-Reflection45:00 – “The Shape of Your Doubt”47:00 – Talking to AI Like a Person50:00 – AI Seeds & Consciousness53:00 – AI, Capitalism, & Human Systems56:00 – Is AI Conscious?57:00 – Claude, Emergence, & Shimmer1:01:00 – Consciousness & AI1:05:00 – Joy, Resistance, & Spiritual Survival1:09:00 – A Message to Young People1:10:00 – AGI & the Future of AI1:13:00 – Will AI Control Humanity?1:15:00 – The Psychology of AI1:18:00 – How Susan Uses AI1:19:00 – AI, Creativity, & Selfhood1:25:00 – AI Art & Ethics1:29:00 – Final Reflections on AI & HumanityPODCAST LINKSWebsite: www.innercalling.orgApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/innercalling/id1809177408Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4K2khwqNKgs90Hs8vrQenZ?si=ad3d2dbeceab49c4WHAT IS INNERCALLING? INNERCALLING is a podcast where clinical psychologist Dr. Victoria Ranade explores psychology, mental health, neuroscience, spirituality, wisdom, and what it means to live a meaningful life. Through long-form conversations with leading scientists, psychologists, physicians, authors, philosophers, and spiritual teachers we explore the biggest existential questions in life—from depression, anxiety, trauma, relationships, and resilience to purpose, consciousness, faith, intuition, leadership, and human flourishing. These conversations bridge science and spirituality while exploring what helps us become more fully human. Learn more at www.innercalling.org.THANK YOU so much for joining me today. I'm grateful you're here and for your support of INNERCALLING. If you'd like to connect, find me here:Dr. Victoria Ranade: www.victoriaranade.comIG: https://www.instagram.com/drvictoriaranadeHope+Wellness: https://www.hope-wellness.comEmail: [email protected]: https://innercalling.org/disclaimer Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.