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EPISODE · Aug 19, 2026 · 1H 12M

64. How will the leader know change is happening?

from The Illumify Game Changer · host Marianne Gobeil

How does a leader know meaningful change is actually happening, especially when the ultimate vision may be years or even decades away? Jonathan considers the markers that can reveal progress along the way, from response and shifts in language to impact, resistance, and discernible change. The conversation also examines why leaders must be willing to change tack without compromising the integrity of the vision they are leading. 02:19 Unify Question 56: How will you know if this change happens? 05:18 Why progress must be measured over time 08:46 The first marker: a response from the world 11:21 Moving from attention to impact 18:33 Distinguishing response, impact and change 20:27 Changing how people see the world 24:21 What long-term change can look like 27:59 From public conversation to laws and grassroots action 31:49 Measuring change beyond formal systems 34:02 Changing tack while staying true to the vision 37:23 Resistance as a sign that change is registering 44:30 Protecting the leader’s narrative 46:38 The leader’s responsibility to take the hits 48:31 Channelling anger into constructive action 55:20 Detecting and responding to resistance 56:29 Jonathan’s final answer: time, space and markers 1:00:03 When language starts changing the conversation 1:03:51 Why markers help leaders persist 1:05:32 Pivoting without losing the vision Produced by NOVA

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