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We are here in our new fine and shiny location. Hello and welcome to the perverted podcast, the show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle, sex and perversion. And at the end, we sing a song! Happy Birthday!
Recording live from Camp Fifee in an undisclosed location in Southern California somewhere because it's about 20 feet from my bedroom. In front of our perverted studio audience, Hello pervert! WOO! I'm Fifee.
I'm Fifee. I'm a bass. And I am Boogie. And here we are.
Look at this, Camp Fifee. This is amazing. This is an amazing, amazing, amazing time. I like it a lot.
It's very nice in here. It's roomy. It's very, very roomy. Okay, so to the perverted podcast listeners, we have moved, we were at Threshold, Threshold was kind enough to let us record our show in their facility for as long as we needed to.
And just the logistics of setting up and tearing down an entire show every time with all the microphones, it just became just a lot of work that we would rather be in one place that we can just leave everything up. And so now, Fifee has lived. Ten years. Ten years.
Ten years that my car lived in the driveway, I finally got it into the garage two months ago. And Boogie comes along. Hey, you know what? Any fucking schmuck in this neighborhood, which by the way, your neighbors have no idea that we are doing this.
This is what makes it wonderful. Anyone is not going to have a podcast here. What, in this specific neighborhood? In this specific neighborhood.
Just think of that. They all have their fucking cars in the garage. But none of them have their own podcast, your podcast, all your podcasts. Oh, my podcast.
Kudos. And at some point, we'll get an intern to wash your car. Oh. I'm going to go with their breasts or genitals.
Laundries. I know people. You know people? I have so much laundry.
How do we go from? I don't know. We go from the excitement of moving. And now we're talking about focus people who are in a new environment.
You can see everyone. You guys all have looks on your face like you're like, where's the denture equipment? We're a little nervous. There's no st.
Andrews car. I don't know what to do with this. This is a little more hardcore man. It's like a garage band.
Because we are in a garage band. Oh my God, that's true. We are actually in a garage band. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Well, then fuck it. Let's just get into a show.
It's the second week. One, two, three, four. End of the day. End of the day.
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End of the day. End of the day. That's scary. Is that like shark?
That's shark. This is actually sent to me by request for us to talk about both of these. They're really great. Predators and hunters, you go looking for your mate match prey, right?
But then when you know you've won them and they finally give up the fight, do you then find you're ready to move on to the next challenge? Are you happy to keep your catch? What is the end game for the predator? Why is everyone looking at a man?
I do have comments, but why don't you guys go ahead and take that one first? Well I mean I was looking into it and it depends on what primal predator you are because it depends on what you're looking for. From what I understand from those who do primal play and such, it's very much if you're hunting for something you're not going to normally hunt for a mate. You're hunting for a meal, you're hunting for prey, you're hunting for something like that.
So I mean I know my cat like she used to catch a mouse or at least I'd catch it again. So yeah. Guess your cat's finger. But it really depends on what the predator is looking for.
Are they looking for something to snuggle with or are they looking for something to eat? Or both. Sorry because are we talking about primal play or the predator? The predator, yeah absolutely.
That's what I think. Well I have no experience with predators coming after me and I am not my selfie predators so I'm a little less than this one. I read everything, I read all the comments everybody wrote and it was like another language to me. And then we do, the group is a newish group but it's kind of a cool one, it's called primal all types and they just mess a lot of topics about primal.
So it is kind of about the whole primal aspect. But yeah it was thinking about the primal prey, that's one of the new like groups like the identifiers you can use now, primal play. No primal prey and primal predator. It's a little time for me.
I'm old now so you know I can sample over words. Oh you're pleased. Have you tingled in your chair yet? Not yet.
That's a different play. It's early. But yeah if you are the prey type you like to be chased and caught then yeah if you want to get caught by the same person over and over again you gotta find the one who kind of wants to do that. Everybody knows that that's the game we're playing.
We actually talk about people who they go after someone and they get caught up in the excitement of it and they drop a goldfish and then they're gone and the other person is left standing and going what the fuck? Well isn't that the general term of predator, if we're talking about a predator doesn't matter whether it's play relationship. No it doesn't. Because that's always been like the guy that hunts the girl and then when he gets there he doesn't want her anymore.
The final play then both parties are aware of what's going on. Right and I think from what I understood from the post it was very much more the primal thing. They are channeling their inner animal, the beast, the hunt, the bloodlust, the bloodlust, they're gonna tear the prey's throat out. But this is just in general.
I didn't read this blog obviously. I'm sorry I built a fucking studio in a garage. Last week. Wow wow wow wow wow.
Now he's building a studio. I know. Yeah there will be. Please suck a bag of dicks.
Three one. Huh? A baggage. I am back.
The best Louis C.K. bit ever. So I didn't read the whole weather. That's my whoopee.
That's my nipple whoopee right now. When I got three bitches up in my fucking shit I just grabbed my nipple whoopee and I... I heard you say what do you have for predator nights? You have nights that you like?
I go specifically to find new people, to find out what they're about, get in their head, see whether or not there's play or not. Even if it's not play the first. I mean the stalking, the predator part can go on for a very long time. I've had people that I stalked for months and months and months and months.
So those people when you catch them you play you have a good time then? It depends on what you want. If it's just about play then you can read, you can keep that role play going because now we're going to do this type of play and a lot of people do that. They keep that predator pray thing going and they go okay tonight it's principal teacher or tonight it's cop interrogation or it's you know and so you just change the role play to kind of freshen up a different aspect of that kind of predator play thing.
But if it's like just the type of person that just likes those one off honeymoon experiences which I fucking love and that's all I wanted before I was able to handle any level of relationship is I just wanted to get to know you, have that experience, maybe have that experience once or twice a month. That took some of the energy out of the hunt. That leaves the other person though kind of hanging that's kind of cruel. No that absolutely does and that's why you have to be honest in upfront on your web page that says by the way I'm a stepping stone in a vacation rental which is set on my profile.
You're one of the only people I know who's that honest in upfront from the beginning I've never actually run across something like that. I mean I don't troll that often through Fetlife but there's not a lot of them. See how many people do that and just come right out and say you don't expect that much. Because then it's no much cheating isn't about like we're now we're going to be cheating which happens in relationship but cheating and predator is not about relationship it's about the game it's not even necessarily about the sex it's just about winning, hunting, taking down owning and then once it's dead you're not interested in it anymore.
But the game up to that point looks exactly like the game if someone is just coming after me for a relationship so I don't know until the moment you walk away that oh fuck this is not the most important. They're lying. And I will say from what your predator style is versus like the primal predator it's very much at least for the primal that I've experienced it's literally the chasing down knock them down throw them into a wall like it's much more visceral. Like play rape.
I've seen you grab a woman's head and from back and then. I'm still trying to figure out whether we're talking about doing this for realties or just for play because it's completely different than being a hunter. It's under the umbrella of consensual and play. Oh okay yeah then it's multifaceted.
I mean like most things the answer is always going to be depends but in general I don't like dead food no matter whether I'm in a relationship with you or not when it gets to the point to where we are not recreating our energy together whether that's in conversation whether that's in sex whether that's in how we do I get I get bored because there's nothing to fix there's nothing to learn there's nothing about you that I can learn more and then it just gets boring and I want to go away. Okay well I'm a dick. I didn't want to say it. I didn't want to say it.
I was able to play it. But he's honest. But he's honest. Please just be honest people.
Yeah and then you get rejected for being honest. No. That's why they lie. By the way princesses.
No. If you can have your fun you want to have your fun so the only way to do it is not to tell the other person and then. Well the online is you are going to be rejected that's why guys fucking lie in sheep is because when you come up I have done it a fucking hundred times in the last thirty years where I'm like hey you know what I'm really not interested in a relationship I'm interested in you know the play aspect and whatever we can see each other and they look at me and they go wow wow thank you so much for your honesty it's not what I'm looking for but but that is I will you be my friend and then they tell me about the guy that they fucked on the hood of their car and I go oh did you give him pussy right yeah I gave him pussy and then a week later he's fucking all my friends it you build the live where is this kind of I feel like I feel like I could have said all of that myself but another topic from a different day but honestly yeah you get rejected and then yeah so that's why people like it works. Then when they don't reject you it's a great relationship that doesn't have a lot of drama because there's two people being honest.
That's called higher standards. Yeah I'm very confused and very depressed. Raise your standards be honest. Now we're going to the next one.
Okay we're in a garage what do you want. The next topic also by request they asked for us to talk about sub frenzy so I looked it up because actually when she sent this to me I hadn't really heard the term though I have felt the experience. Sub frenzy a phenomenon that affects many new submissives the first rush of overwhelming consuming desire to experience every kind of kink as soon as possible often to the point of neglecting all other concerns. Go this.
I will also say it can also be top frenzy if that's the case too. It's just it's seen frenzy really. Yeah it's it's addicted addiction to kink kind of it's it's. Are we talking about frenzy or excitement?
Well so there's actually this thing this blog that I found it says there's a is there really difference between sub frenzy and simple enthusiasm and the difference being that being enthusiastic intensely interested is fine it's when you let that enthusiasm cloud your judgment that sub frenzy becomes dangerous in extreme cases if you may be risking your health and safety and your job and your family. Absolutely. So I think that's a difference which sounds a lot to me like addiction it's when you're starting to let go of your responsibilities because you need this too much and you're making poor choices and you're not thinking straight and binging on kink binging I like that because that's what it sounds like to me. Yeah and that's I guess normal for any behavior that if it depends on what you have what you bring to the table if you bring baggage to the table whether any lifestyle whether it's spiritual kink whatever if you bring baggage that you haven't resolved there's a really good chance that you're just looking for that distraction and you want to fill your void and you're not wanting to work on yourself.
But there's an element oh my god really really I love her for so many reasons. But there's an element of risk to kink that it's not like spirituality where the worst one that can happen to you is what you get sucked into a cult and lose your house and family. Actually I think cults and religion are a little more dangerous than cake thank you very much. A lot of people kill people over that.
Mamed. Yes. Slightly less named possibly. When you're in cake you have to make really smart choices and if all you're thinking is I can trust everybody in this room you're going to get in a lot of trouble.
Absolutely. Well I mean that could also be stamp collecting but I think it's never been a fan. You used to put LSD on dopey. So I mean the supremacy was it was talking about it wasn't it like being a basically an easy target.
Right so the question that the link was sent to me for a group post when it says do you think that the D types dominant types are readily aware of this phenomenon and do the predator again with the predators but do they go for the new B subs who are in the frenzy on purpose. Yeah we just talked about this. They relate a little bit but I wanted to bring up because if you're in this mode and you don't recognize that that's a mode you're in you're putting yourself at risk. So the first thing I saw in my head when you said that was I'm envisioning these little sort of like running around like oh no no no no no no like hands wheeling all of them like this big predator like hawk coming down and just taking them out.
The mouse sub which kind of shows the doucheiness of predators because predators even lions and great white sharks they will run for certain things and so you are the weak a shitty predator is the one that prays on the weak and that's a successful predator. That's what predators do. Yeah I know but I'm saying we're talking about you know humans you know being predators. Why am I getting such stinky looks?
Because you're the predator in here and there's only one predator in this garage. There's no challenge if it's a mouse dude if you're gonna if you're gonna you know if you're gonna get what? That's a stupid damn it. It's a stupid we have it says perverted podcast but this wrote it on a pretty sign of the flower.
It was the bicycle over there. No it's more fun when if it's a mouse if it's and this goes back to some of the things that I've had discussions with you guys before. It's not no okay at least me I'm not attracted to a doormat that's easy prey that's just bullshit to me because anyone can fucking get you because you're just sitting there with a target on your chest saying use me abuse me I'm fragile this is you know I'm an easy easy easy target. There is no excitement in that because there's anyone can get it.
I like the person that has their own thoughts their own job agenda mission in life whatever and they if I can align myself and I hate using the word pray but if I can pray on that and get that person involved in my life because that's my job as a predator is to get you involved in my life however so whether you call that bad or good I want you involved in my life somehow so I would much I fucking doormats or a dime a fucking dozen go to therapy you are worthless to me. Well I think it's also at least as far as the frenzy I've noticed less of it and I feel that it's probably because we have more mentors in the community more friends in the community that if you see someone who's going into a frenzy I had to do this with a friend of mine to be like hey you need to stop you need to get your shit together you know you can't you can't just do the king stuff you have kids you have to do this other stuff you have to make sure your apartment is clean and you're going to work and you're not you know playing with 60 million doms I had to help basically rain or in so it's like no you need to actually make sure your first and foremost is your real life and as long as people have friends who are willing to stand up and be like whoa whoa whoa buddy I feel that it's more at least in my opinion. There's a better chance that you're going to actually do well and once again you're dealing with adults this is an adult lifestyle the things that we do are by adults consenting supposedly adults and there is a point where even when you support somebody if they're in sub frenzy and they're just going to do reckless shit that's where I have to decide I did it to someone that I was seeing you know within the last year or two and they had very destructive behaviors and you we laid out abyss and I laid out the law this is you know whatever and they just went okay thank you very much and went and did horribly destructive things themselves and you have to just kind of say off you go you're an adult I'm not going to I'm not going to be here when they call the cops. So I was curious what are once you recognize that you're in this sub frenzy mode what are some of the things that you can do to counterbalance it yourself back to center and I'm glad that to see that even though I didn't know that's what I was going through when I was going through it I actually did a lot of these things to get myself back out of it things like gathering knowledge and learning more so definitely being on that life and reading a lot of writings and attending events at threshold and getting to know my community members that helped a lot with the knowledge build your support system here they are sitting around me right now play with friends that was the big one for me there came a time I had a bad scene I had a spanking with someone I never met before it was too hard too fast he didn't know about where I'm up he didn't know aftercare it was awful after that I decided I don't play with someone unless they're my friend first and now the only people I play with are people I consider good friends and that was one of the best ways to get myself off the high I agree and have some fucking patience the kinky people I tell people this all the time it's threshold the kinky people will be here tomorrow you can wait another day to make sure that you're taking care of yourself there will be kinky people for the rest of your life give yourself a little bit of time enjoy your experiences but it's your life you got to take care of yourself alright I think that's going to another wonderful top what what oh thank you yeah fucking tech shit damn it's Holly is great Holly is hard Holly is sexy I need some polysanity Holly amary can be amazing but without hard work it can plunge headfirst into a trash compactor of sizzling sodomist death now here to help you navigate communicate and negotiate your way through your wild poly adventure is boogie wow there's no way where's my cheer that was so underwhelming that's oh my god that is that is really annoying yeah we're working out some tech here alright so I was really excited about this polysanity because it's something I think most of us at the table have some experience with and that is we just call it sacred days and pretty much in any relationship you know most people have a pretty good idea of you know what they need or want in regards to you know your significant other's time sometimes it's more than others you got stuff going on in your life work school family emotional situations and in an anonymous relationship you just have the one person you know that you're dealing with whether you live together or you're apart you pretty much talk on the phone on your regular basis you know like hey what do you want to do this week when you have multiple significant others at varying levels of intensity of that relationship well everyone wants some time and so that can get really confusing people can feel left out people can feel like they're being ignored or there's some sort of drama that can cause spinning and you know crashes in that communication so one of the tools that we do in in our relationship and I know Kathy does it in her relationship is it's basically like this is your sacred day we logistically plan that we get the day like this is your day like a business day is Tuesday and marks day is Thursday and that day is that is that person's day to be with their significant other that nobody else gets to infringe on unless it's negotiated or some sort of emergency so I know Kathy you do that oh yeah and yours how does that work for you I can't see any other way around it when you're dealing with more than two people in a relationship it's absolutely necessary and for me it works great but because I have the luxury of dealing with too highly sensible reasonable and rational people they're totally listening to this podcast aren't they?
I'm totally sucking up for you. I don't know what you're talking about Kathy not insulted really just not really that insulted not really no not at all actually and so we've got down a schedule that works for us there's really not a lot of drama we've talked we talked about this in the past how it's in other podcasts where it's your shit that you're dealing with and unless you are a very mature stable person and know how to deal with your own shit all that stuff is going to come to the surface in a poly relationship so I think that anytime anything comes up I can only speak for myself but I'm assuming that they're the same is that I first asked myself what's going on with me am I actually being ignored or do I feel ignored because there's a huge difference between the two and I if I feel that I'm being ignored that's for that's my shit to deal with it's not anybody should to deal with my own and if it's not or slightly belonging maybe responsibility someone else I'll talk to that person but I have found that the whole scheduling and sacred days works a lot better when I first asked myself is this really something that's going on or is this just me is this my shit I love it I love it this I have no fucking sake I have some experience with this it wasn't a good experience but mostly that was because not everybody in the relationship agreed with the importance of the sacred day I hit the table with a thorn in it we had we had time set aside you know this was my weekend that was her weekend we did my weekends not days but she would somehow always find a way to have a crisis or an issue or something whenever it was my weekend so if she wasn't respecting the importance of those days it was it was going to cause a problem so in order for this to work all parties need to have a big kumbaya and say yes this is important to all of us I'm going to respect your day you're going to respect my day you know and if it's one person who's got multiple relationships he's gonna need his own day to like this is everybody that had been put into the occlasure phase until now but that's what was happening with my exes we were fighting over him like a tug of war so much that he wasn't getting his own time and he started having a meltdown so that's it's important to remember I just went to the hospital I just got some IV you know that I was good that's that's my piece I think something that I think is also important to point out is it's okay to be selfish with your sacred day I mean obviously barring emergencies or someone's having like in in our days if somebody is on the other end even though they may not be it's not like a we have a triad where we're all in the same exact relationship but even if someone's having some sort of emergency or spin then we kind of give a little bit of leeway like if someone needs a phone call or like a hay check in because someone's spinning or having their own bad day then we allowed that into the sacred day but once again like you were talking about somebody actually planned you know to sabotage your sacred day every time and I will definitely say I think I can probably speak for myself and mark at this point too is like we definitely try to avoid it short of like the good night text or the good night phone call or the whatever we try and be very respectful of each other's time and space because that's it's a finite amount that you have and you don't want to step on someone's toes I think that's I think that's good and it's okay to be selfish with that day because I've noticed at times where other things come up and it's like hey you know oh we can do this or do that and it kind of includes other people and then if the person doesn't speak up and say hey you know what this is my day I'd really like that to just be our day then what can happen is is you don't say anything and then feeling start to stir there's passive aggressive and and you deal with that so I think it's okay to just say hey you know what this is this is our day let's let's do our day and unless there's emergency then let's let's make that sacred that's why you call it sacred and there is flexibility like if someone's birthday or something like that falls on the day that is normally your day it comes down to don't be a dick yeah yeah and you know it's especially when you're feeling with multiple people you're sitting down to have this conversation talk about holidays talk about all the important days talk about you know Mother's Day Father's Day all the holidays get it out in the beginning so it's not catching you later and you got people who each had separate expectations about what was going to happen and they conflict and yes yes and if you have and this is something that would be a whole nother topic but I'll just throw this at the end relationships evolve and feelings change connections change intimacy changes and maybe you started out and you were like hey I'm really fine with just one day a month and that's fine and then as the intimacy of the relationship builds it gets more and more intense your need for time is different well that's a time to come back to the table that's a time to come back to the table and talk about hey feelings have changed levels have changed we need to now renegotiate this because it's not working for everyone and once again it comes back to you got to talk about it okay everyone good have we cured polyamory I think we cured it I cured it I cured it by not doing it anymore oh my goodness well I guess then we'll just go to the special part of the show sometimes tragic she dream about dick all day and now she's got some shit to say on feet it's fees time but it's a different time today where usually fee talks about whatever is on her kinky mind and so forth today happens to be fees birthday so fee has made a request and said okay why don't you guys turn this she's gonna be a pretty bottom she's gonna be a pretty bottom get to be it's my sicker day and look we even have the might we have the special microphone for the play area of death okay so I guess it's fees birthday so what do we gotta do we gotta beat the shit out of fee for a while so we now have another microphone in the other side of the room that we get to use so get over there go come on meeting time that's her shows going all right so we kind of created this other way ask the other way other way see now we have it yeah fuck up now we have an actual playbench in the garage on your knees get up on your knees complete with a nice cruiser bike that we can shove the handlebar at the place is wearing the hottest hottest little black spandex dress this just what a bike helmet on fee this is magical so now fee is on her hands and knees on our little spanking bench pad thing and she will be receiving so we have a way that we're going to do this so it's actually interested for our perverted podcast listeners and that is first off fee you need to close your eyes and if you open your eyes again the play will stop and you will disappoint us oh if you don't the play just continues on so I know that you have thoughts because we know you very well and we want to make sure that your needs are being meant for your birthday so um can you guys just doing photo ops right now with thumbs up and fucking Kathy just stuck her thumb and fees ass that was incredible so I know I now abyss is playing with fees breasts this is you know all right well so here's what I'm going to just read things that phi wants phi you're going to pick number one through five and then that's the thing we're going to do so I'm going to channel you and I'm going to read your desires number one through five pick the number pick the number pick the number one through five god damn it five numbers three oh my goodness could you please pick up that big lump thing okay I am now going to channel fee and fee is abyss will do this fee pound me in my happy birthday love gosh okay first hold that thing you just go ahead and start wackin with it I'm gonna tell everyone at home what that is oh that sounds great that is like a five pound giant rope monkeys fist knot that abyss is now ramming into fees ass this is basically called cunt punching talk to the microphone Kathy that maybe look like it's going in her ass but that's going into her pussy well then that's why well she said pound me in my happy birthday love gosh get her harder gosh gosh get your ass all right feet frustrated down there oh oh why you guys need training to talk please talk to the microphone they're new on the microphone but also I'm staring at the bike so stare at the bike and talking to the bike there it's a talking to the bike no very very very good fee one through five pick a number four number four oh okay hang on I'm gonna be phi now I think abyss is gonna take this one oh the birthday brat gets her face slapped lean her back push her back there you go that's fine just get her right in the face abyss is lining up lining up fees face okay oh that was fucking nice that sounds great happy birthday face back okay I know don't you know I'm jackin off over here fucking one through five read number one he says fuck cake I want swats for my birthday get her done get her done nice ass that is perfect oh the jiggliness of it all the absolute greatest way she's got the greatest fucking ass to be happy for a slight birthday happy birthday you have one more you have one more nice you do you have one more thing to oh two more sorry well okay fine so you get a five or two okay now wait let me do my fee impersonation let me do my fee impersonation please zap my delicious 37 year old pussy and abyss now has her violet wand out which is an electronic device that sends a little charge and shock right through the skin it's orange it glows orange hey spread them all right ready she knows a lot of pussy in here who says like this is yeah that was my back now mind you at home do not stick your genitalia onto a light socket it is a much different this is a low ampedage tool that's used you can look up the violet wand let her go all right come let her come I think she's okay yeah that's sensitive very good and number five fee would be saying for her birthday pinch my birthday nipples till I come for the world Kathy get them get them up get her up get the fuck up feet boy she likes just the smile on her face is blood pressure oh look and no bra like she was ready for it Kathy is now massager please rest she is tuning in radio Mexico but this is joining in with some face-leaving mark and I are masturbated the birthdays are wonderful yes that was your perverted podcast birthday placing on the show that we have to get back he is up for the kids and I get your ass up and get back to your fucking chair we got to finish a show okay you can open your eyes now thank you thought she found a loophole so did you guys enjoy a enjoy turnting fee hmm let's see pinching the nipples and slapping the ass of a beautiful woman I'm gonna say yes I got a better but and so feet with your phones okay she's got the win-blame she she looks she's I've never done a show spacey before you know the next time I do this I'm not I'm not gonna put one of my segments directly she's just getting to the mic do you want to pass it off what are we doing perverted mailbox now well first off happy birthday fee we're very very glad that was three on feet oh really yeah that was amazing well I guess uh I don't know I'm erect okay me we have a message we guys we helped somebody actually listen the big shocker so back in way back when in episode one hmm so long ago we gave somebody some advice if you if you haven't heard that show just go back and listen to it what show is it episode one oh and then listen to two three four and five that way you just have a cool idea but in episode one we had a person who wanted to know I'm hearing myself twice oh sorry thank you okay okay that was that you know that was I thought that was part of the subspace that's just retarded boogie okay so he he what if so basically what happened was this gentleman had asked for advice because a younger a much younger lady was flirting with him aggressively and he didn't know how to handle it because he didn't want to be known as that dude unlike me I love being that dude so he finally listened to the podcast and heard the advice of our lovely abyss what was what was so we received an email and here's what he said well I just last week managed to catch podcast number one and would love to know who suggested grow a pair that would be me that's a this that's a business t-shirt now grow a pair he goes on to say yesterday was one of those once in a while days when he ran into a sudden lady and she started her usual overtly flirtatious manner after about ten minutes or so he called her bluff she admitted that she was thinking that he was never gonna actually call her out on it and had kind of assumed he wouldn't but then was sort of hoping he would and she ran off and about half an hour later she came back around and he told her to meet her meet him at his place and he did grow he grew up here in good job I gave her directions headed to my place half expecting that she wouldn't show up half an hour later she pulled up having stopped at the pharmacy to pick up some supplies like rubbing alcohol depends in case I didn't have them on hand you suck hey I'm old too fuck up she commented that if my place had been slovenly she planned to make an excuse to leave and she was very curious about the pair of vloggers that hung on the back of the closet during the bedroom I think she'll be asking to come back fairly often so we help somebody we actually great advice we actually thank you strikes again perverted podcast we we matter we matter to the family pointed out earlier that when I told her somebody was really happy that she gave the advice grow a pair she's like wait which time well that's I mean that's you know and it sounds really stupid but the reality is is it's nice that we sit here and we bullshit we're not the rapists we say that all the time we're not therapists we're just people that are kinky we have a lot of years of experience between all of us and she was probably 300,000 years of experience and we just share what we do and all of us are told to you oh you're catching up I didn't know you could catch up like I just stopped aging I love that idea yesterday I was 36 now 37 I totally caught up I'm just really excited honestly that our show did something I know we don't we were productive I get laid we are noble cause we are the kings of the socially awkward I can tell him still in so I said I just had a moment when I was like oh shit my eyes are open oh wait no he said it's okay okay back away from my god well I guess we're a thank you that's it if you have any questions comments or so forth we have an end thing that someone's really not perverted podcast a Gmail dot com we've been getting a lot you guys are real okay I'm gonna say I'm gonna dress the audience yeah okay this last like the first show obviously nobody knew about the show but now we have people listening we do have people asking questions it's been very exciting most of these topics are coming in we're not just bullshitting and making up like we didn't rehearsal you guys are actually listening to the show you're participating you're initiating questions you're asking questions and it's it's fucking awesome it really feels like we now have a show even after six times and she's just giggling ridiculous we're talking about the rehearsal and I'm like fucking hand-washing I remember this food junt always one it was so long ago what was that like nineteen nineteen something well nineteen twelve and we first but anyway you guys are doing great and the more you give us obviously we're still getting better and we're fixing stuff we now a permanent place to record it's really really exciting and I think the show's getting I think the show's getting better and we're in a position where we can get even better so where we can drive at home thank you perverted podcast listeners let's uh let's move on to our next another hit seventy bucks if you're gonna play in public yes there is a way dungeon etiquette will be expected from you perverted podcast will teach you how not to be a douche have you ever seen someone do something at your local dungeon or private media some party that just pisses you off yes this is the time where we talk about how not to be that guy or that girl so our discussion today in order to be a useful member of the king community one must be able to read social cues body language or you'll just end up not getting any play or you're gonna become the social pariah that lingers at the edge of conversations lurking until you've made the group so uncomfortable they leave the area so this is how to tell if someone's uncomfortable with you you would think you would take no flying the wall like a cat and a fucking dryer so basically we're gonna start off with a general lack of eye contact if someone isn't looking at you and scanning the dungeon they're generally looking for their escape route short answers in non-committal if you say hey yeah you know I'm really talking about blah blah blah and the person's responses really not connecting cross arms and defensive posture means I don't want to fucking talk to you by and pidgeting I thought it meant you were cold and wanted me to hold you because I've never met you before you want me to hold you can I hold your feet so the last one is the if someone is honestly uncomfortable with you is the they have that look of the animal who's been caged and is about to chew off their own leg to get away that look generally means stop talking walk away you have failed recently recently there was one of quotes those guys in the dungeon and I believe boogie had a run in with that and mark oh yeah that was fun that was that was fun so here's the thing and once again people have the right to say and ask whatever they want and so you know it's how you deal with it there is a certain level of responsibility when you're gonna be in public that that you understand people are gonna be awkward people don't common sense is not absolute sense so you try to be especially at community parties that we have a threshold where a lot of new people are in people from community party community party like threshold parties we have members parties which means you are a member of threshold you went through an orientation you heard all the do's and don'ts and and you have a good idea of how we in our community interact with each other the community lets just general people come in you sign a waiver and show an ID but you get to come into the party and maybe you don't have that training maybe you come from a heavy certain type of swingers type background where it is more interactive and you just grab people or you know not in general not talking about swingers they have a lot of rules at swingers parties you read a book and you thought you'd show up to a dungeon yeah you show to a dungeon and obviously everybody is yours you know everyone but oh this is what it is it's a sex party and I just go grab people so I try to keep that in but every now and again I just get fucking pissed and want to punch someone in their fucking throat and so Mark and I are having some aftercare on the couch and we're sitting there and she's in my lap and it's cuddly and and and some guy walks up you know and he has like the button shirt and he's all like fucking who knows like fever night whatever and and so he's all hey you know and he shakes my head how you doing I'm like oh how you doing and then he shakes Mark's hand and he's like oh how are you doing and then and then we're like okay and we're like in the middle of like we're cuddling we are not it's not we're just talking normally we're actually intertwined ish and the guys like oh I just have a quick question he sits like I'm on one side he sits on the other side of Mark and looks at her and he's like hey so do you want to play with us right now no you know we're in the other room in my girl just she just wants to she just wants to touch you and do stuff to you and whatever and and Mark's sitting there like kind of still spacey like oh what what is happening and I just look and I go say no and he's like oh okay but yeah we're just gonna be in there if you just want to come in and any like it's up and fucking fever night you know this is just go walk away with his fucking three chest hairs or whatever and and I was like wow really and I got angry you know inside I got that predator fucking territorial thing and I did want to punch him in the throat and rip out his throat and the hole in his throat but I didn't but it's those are the types of things that aren't absolutes people are gonna say things like that if that's what they're used to and it's your job to educate people but when not this is our chance so what we're talking about is how not to be that guy don't be that guy there's just if you that clueless that you couldn't see what's going on in front of you there's just no hope for you and at that point you just have to be blunt don't you like you that's yeah well I mean you can be pretty clueless because sometimes after care just looks like two people coming on couch and you don't know that they just finished playing but even two people coming on a couch you don't interrupt I just don't understand and then try to steal it away hey can I fuck your bitch you know you seem to be done with her let me have a shot at it but yeah and maybe there's and there are different parties and groups for every type and there are parties where it is very interactive sexually and it's known and it says in the rules this is pretty much a free for all and whatever but we're not that way and when you go into a new situation you have to not assume that it is the way you think it is that's why you ask people we have dungeon monitors you ask hey what kind of party is this you know is this a free for all or does there have to be concerned so it's not even so much the consent thing and all that it's this is talking about social cues this right here the fact that you guys were obviously interacting with one another the person came in just but it is way in and then tried to basically pick up on your girl I mean it's kind of it that's just it's a social faux pas I mean you would if you were at the bar that's a good way to get decked yeah if you were in a normal vanilla situation and you walk up and some girl you know on to some girl guys girl and basically like hey me and my girl they want to you know fuck around yeah didn't even invite me into the fucking room like what am I fucking I just chopped liver you know like what I want to be a guy I think that's what really pissed me off you mother fucker I've included so what I just want to be included basically what we're saying here is the the dungeon etiquette would be wait till the people are done maybe approach the person a little bit later and perhaps also if there's a DS thing to you may want to be respectful of that so I would maybe be a little less forward and be a little more polite to begin with if you're trying to find play at least in our dungeon in the dungeon we do a lot of hey do I need to talk like if you're gonna ask someone to play because once again it's it is public you do have the right to ask somebody if they want to play polite fully polite fully lightly and respectfully but you just you know you we ask a lot hey is there somebody I need to talk to you can I ask you or do I need to ask your dominant that doesn't matter whether it's male or female there's male and female dominance but you would ask it's just you have those cues to worry if you see that people are together you say oh are you together with that person do I need to ask someone if you want to play or something well that was covered in the hey hold on I got to ask her a question yeah that's true that's true the holding up of the the Italian sleazy finger but I think what's great about this is is most of the people who may be a little socially awkward this is our chance has preferred a podcast to help because where do they hang out the internet they're listening to us right now socially awkward guys you know they're like hey I you know I read the story of oh and something and I'm ready to do it so please socially awkward guys because I was one of you for many many many many years I did not come into this scene very smooth at all I had floggers on my fucking belt when I came in like a douchebag they were teddy bear floggers but still but but still this is your chance to learn why they but watch somebody's body language and know that if you're gonna strike out it's okay to strike out just move on to someone else or just wait until you get to know people and don't go for the no don't go for the home run right away maybe you got to be at the dungeon a few weeks and get to know some people and then maybe you can start pushing for play that's why I did what a novel idea oh my gosh is that it is that our dungeon etiquette for that that's a lot man are we already oh my gosh oh what that what no it's and show some time yeah we don't we don't we don't do that one we don't have anything no we're just this is it we're just gonna fucking rock it out no I just you're smashing the guitar all over the place I'm getting excited I'm just excited about this song because I know it's feas birthday and we don't want to poke fun at her too hard this is my song this song is called Codependent and it's off the cows hate people album and it's fucking album I'm gonna fucking album I'm gonna fucking more than one huh yes I held the well that's why you guys get stuck singing these every fucking week by the way I do have a song for every week of the year so you guys get to learn every week oh joy in this one's called codependent this is gonna start in time to jump for joy oh lucky me you've come back to be my friend even though this is like the 30th time you fucked me up again things are nicely sharpened to suck the goodness for my soul but I grew big balls and I'm taking a stand because your shit is getting old do I have pitch written on my forehead what's time that I rub it off your apologies are useless because they never take on any fault I've tried to tie my own self worth and guess what babe you're gone so I wish you love now going peace and on the way out please fuck off everybody likes that part yeah let me explain your sociopathic drama farm kind face prick and a little thing harsh longer will I be the same e-mart or who will love you no matter what I retired from the need to fix you because you're a useless silly twice I'm gonna need a mouthwash animal smoke that you blow into my ass what you talking about you wonderful I am I'm gonna talk shit about my friend I was your codependent gift bag well now I'm closing shop so I wish you love now going peace and on the way out please fuck off it is a big heart you cry fake tears you're the guilt trip guru well well well well palace a strong but now I have a better con fool I forgive you and let it go so I don't waste space in my head but I probably left my ass off if I found out you were dead bye maybe one day you really will change will whoop the fucking do you can change your own damn diapers now cuz I'm totally over you wait for it go go go go find a big dog and suck it off show thank you for moving out into the driveway and providing this perverted playground for us to work recorded if you are the Los Angeles surrounding areas do visit the threshold dot org we still love them and find out about joining their kinky family thank you to all of our guests and hosts and stuff to fee yeah I miss boogie and Kathy and our audience mark if you have questions comments or ideas please email us at pervertedpodcast.com and the perverted podcast dot com and finally please consider becoming a monthly supporter of Fetlife so that we have something to talk about each week until then my sweet little lovelies on fees magical birthday please enjoy being your damn kinky self and we are out of here!