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EPISODE · Sep 8, 2025 · 57 MIN

#7 Finding my path in UX, Icarus and vulnerability in leadership

from the deeply human design podcast · host Danny Hearn

“What happens when ambition collides with authenticity — and how do we stay grounded while leading others?”SummaryIn this episode, I sit down with Joe Knowles to explore his career journey, where he grappled with the challenges of a fast-paced UX career. We reflect on his "Icarus moment"—the point where his professional climb led to a personal re-evaluation—and discuss the honest struggles of UX leadership. Joe opens up about the intersection of introversion and authenticity, and the power of being vulnerable in an industry that can often feel like a performance. This conversation is for anyone navigating their own path and seeking a more human-centered approach to their work.GuestJoe KnowlesLinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-knowles-41a80a20/HostDanny Hearn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/dannyhearn/Website – www.dannyhearn.mePodcast – www.deeplyhumandesign.comChapters00:00 Introduction and Background03:33 The Icarus Metaphor: Balancing Career and Personal Life06:26 The Weight of Responsibility in Leadership09:34 Navigating Job Security and Market Anxiety12:26 Authentic Leadership in Uncertain Times15:40 The Challenges of Introversion in Leadership18:28 Vulnerability and Its Impact on Team Dynamics21:33 Burnout: Understanding and Addressing It24:32 Reflections on Personal Experiences with Burnout32:12 The Human Element in Work Relationships34:32 Motivation and Ownership in Work38:06 Identity and Career Choices39:36 Public vs. Private Sector Dynamics42:40 Long-term Commitment in Public Sector Work44:43 Impact Measurement in Public Sector Projects48:57 GDS Methodology: Pros and Cons52:42 Navigating Constraints in Public Sector Design55:30 The Importance of Adaptability in Design Careers

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