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Duck. Can I press the red button? Yes, dog. That's a deep cut.
I didn't even have a TV. I know. That's what I'm talking about. It's like a commercial, right?
It's like an ad. Yeah, but it was like an ad for a digital TV function. Yeah. Any actual product.
Oh, yeah, yeah. It was when everything used to be like, press the red button with special features and I used to be like the best thing on the digital computers. Yeah, I mean, I did it when like I was watching sports, when I wanted to get the the right athletics competitions that I want to watch, but not like normally. Sports.
What is this? Some kind of nerds podcast? I mean, yes. Kind of.
I don't think so. I think that's the problem between us. Like it's just the conflict between us and like the rest of the Terry Pratchett fan community is that we are cool jocks and the rest of them are like lame nerds, which is why behind us they're hard to relate to each other. Yeah.
And they're all gen, they're all gen X's as well. Yeah, they're all gen X's. We're just, we're just meta ironic zoomers or something. Yeah, that's what we've been told.
So enjoy that. Enjoy our people. People think we are slightly aloof millennials, but actually we are aloof zoomers. I mean, I am, I guess.
Lucy's a super elite. We're usually here. Generations are not real, but. Which marketing demographic do you like to?
See, this is why I'm bisexual because I'm both a zoomer and in some ways a millennial. I was born in the 90s. So here's the thing is I don't believe that generations are real, but I do believe that your online language is set by like what kind of forum you're first on. It's just a continuous process.
Yeah. In time. Like blocks that can be cut up. It's almost like humans are sort of spectrum of experiences rather than.
So I think that I'd say like SJW bullshit. Boomer meme is sort of, you know, like a Facebook shitty meme. So I think that's more like a specific, is a specific language style rather than an age thing. Yeah.
So this is my belief about posting. I tied an onion to my belt, which was in style at the time and went off to war. Or whatever that Simpson's going, I can't remember was because I was a zoomer and didn't watch it. Oh, it's a Simpson thing.
Yeah, I've never seen I've generally not watched a Simpson's. I don't know if I've said this on this one. Yeah, you have. That's fine.
But it's a little bit of the the yanosh or law that we like to sort of sprinkle into every episode. Yeah. This guy says he likes anime and he has never watched a Simpson's. That's not freaking sweet, Lois or something.
My spring field academia. Yeah, but I mean, look like he's like he's a nine-year-old, but he's actually 10,000 years old. So it's fine. Yeah, like Scooby-Doo.
Okay. Oh, the generation has thing. I do feel kind of a disconnect to people who are like 19 or 20, people who were born after 9-11. Yeah.
Okay. I'm surprised you picked 9-11 rather than just 2000, given that none of us are American. Yeah, but I think 9-11 destroyed the brain of us and America. I think it was a collective system.
Yeah, okay. It is one of my earliest memories, 9-11. I can't remember it. I swear we talked about 9-11 before.
No, that was on the web. We've absolutely done it. Oh, no, we've talked about 9-11 on this podcast. We talked about what poor and Osama bin Laden jerks off to on this podcast.
We did, but we did specifically talk about the thing about whether we remember 9-11 or not on a cold or paranoid and sound of babies and puppies. I remember that because I was editing a episode. Things really do all just come back to 9-11. I simply do not remember it, but then I do remember being like eight years old in like the playground that was near the school I went to and someone and me being conscious enough to say to a friend, I hear we're at war in Afghanistan.
Oh, I'm written by a rinsaukin. Yeah, I mean the story I told on a so-bept to those people who want to listen to this show was that I have a clear memory of. This isn't even like about 9-11. This was like a few years later in elementary school.
I remember like the one kid in our class was like running through the hallway and screaming, America is attacking Iraq. It's so cool. Epic. That's so cool.
I remember one of my neighbors who was also a child, a very small like my age. So sorry, carry on. No, but here's insisting that like there was literally a war in our country because you could see planes on the sky. Me watching a commercial A380 fly pass.
Wow, I bet that's got bombs in it. Pretty much. Well, when I when I when I never happened to me, you were in the States, weren't you? I lived in Washington.
I lived in the suburbs of Washington, DC. So we got sent home from school immediately. And then we were like, all told to stay inside. And there was like a big like lockdown.
Wow. Our times have changed because my dad used to work sometimes in the in the Pentagon. So he drove us all out to go look at it in the car. I'm sorry.
Hang on. I knew that you were in the States. I knew that you were in the States when 9-11 happened. And I knew that your dad has a military star.
I did not know that after 9-11 happened, he took you on a fucking day trip. It wasn't like immediately afterwards. It was like a week after it. He was like, let's go see it.
So we got to see 9-11. We got to see it and we drove around the Pentagon and went, damn, that's sure. Exploded. So that's my memory.
New head cannon. Chatter's dad was the DC sniper. I mean, the DC sniper. I have a fun story about that.
I must tell you that surely. I think so. The DC sniper. So there's this guy who was like sniping people around DC in like 2000, I think.
And when you were at school and then, yeah, okay, carry on, carry on, yeah, so so it's less funny now because there's so many school shootings. Because we used to have to do all these. I know it's terrible. We used to have to do all these like drills at school for like potential shootings.
And then one day I was on like canteen cleanup duty. Everyone else had abandoned me because they didn't want to do it. So I was left because I was very beautiful. So I was just like doing it all by myself.
And then I was like, okay, I'm going to go to recess now. And then I went out into where the playground was and the door locked behind me. And there was no one in the playground. And so I went into the next playground and there was no one in that playground.
And I was like sick. So I was like panicking. And then I was like, I guess I could go around the front. So I sort of walked along around the front of the school, they rang the bell.
And then someone like, they were like trying to talk to me through the fucking intercom. And they were like, Oh shit. And then to like really quickly, like, I lock the door, grab me, pull me in and then close the door. And then send me into like the gym because the school was in lockdown because the serial sniper was like close by.
I'm going to the panic for like every time one of my podcasts has caught up in about tiny love. Incredible, really. But this is a cold open, not about 9-11, but about one of the times where one of the hosts was caught up in an active shooter situation. It wasn't actually like they never actually came to our school.
They were just I don't think they did schools. Fucking hell. This is pre-colon bike. They didn't do schools.
I'm sorry. It was post-colon bike because I used to get I got a detention because I pretended to shoot a friend with a banana. And they were very, very tense about like mentioning guns or bringing a toy gun to school or anything about guns at that point because it was just like, the sympathetic magic of guns, if you mention them, they appear. Yeah, it was like super, it was super fucking weird.
Manifesting a school shoot. So yeah, my schooling was very peculiar in some ways, but I mean, if you're American, you're probably used to, I guess. But you then moved to a normal place being Southeast Wales. Yeah, you moved to normal island.
Yeah, I actually like, I just went from this very cosmopolitan, international elementary school to a primary school in the middle of nowhere populated by farmers who were all related to each other and had this sort of strange vendetta against my family for some reason. It's because you went from around there. Yeah, you basically, yes. We had American accents and it was very cringe.
So, that was like that. That's like 120 people in the school. It was very small. So, yeah, it was great.
I love it. Anyway, do we have any like other fun non-9-11 or school shooting related to talk about? Yeah, I mean, this is why Charlotte now records all of her podcasts from the boot of her car. He's not quite sniper incident.
That was a thing that my cosmon on Andrew Potts used to do on some episodes that she was recording from her car because I don't know, the reception was better there. I didn't disturb her. Sticking the parents in the morning. No, that's disgusting.
Sticking your microphone through a hole in the car boot. I mean, I think if you're in the car boot, what would the acoustics be like in there? Like, oh, probably. That's why when people are acting car boots when they scream for help, no one hears them.
It's good enough for the DC belt-wise knife. But what I was going to say about the DC software. Yeah, insanely distracted with the 9-11 stuff. I do notice with kids who are born in the 2000s, there is a bit of a disconnect, I guess, in culture, reference points, etc.
They don't have memories of having an unbreakable Nokia phone. Well, I see this as the thing because I do. But I don't remember 9-11. I remember the war.
We don't know that. It's still going on. So it's hard to forget, really. But I still don't think we have an essentially Zoom podcast.
I feel like we are online in a different way than people who are 18 or 19. I remember somebody asked for my Snapchat last week, and I felt my blood freeze. I'm not using Snapchat in two years maybe. No.
In 2013, I used to have an ongoing Snapchat story thing in the way that I currently tweet all the time. That was how I used to do social media. I thought when you said an ongoing Snapchat story thing that you were using it for some serialized storytelling. Stories with it and stuff.
Yeah, pretty good. That's kind of like what DJ Khad had some amazing, like this was also around that time. The series of Snapchat stories where he gets lost in the middle of an ocean. It's really good.
I also would like to take a jet ski out into the middle of the bay. I don't know. Maybe like 11 in the night at night and then just sort of lose track of where the land is and then post-smatch it. Hey, if anybody knows this specific person, can you please call her until they're at last?
Those stories where like world famous quote-unquote musician, DJ Khad is in the middle of nowhere saying a praise god, God will save me if I die here. He was really thinking he was going to die like in the middle of nothing. He really was. If he didn't want to get stuck in the ocean, maybe he should have gone down on his wife instead of going out to see him.
Shut him. Lucy, would you say that your generation is the generation that's born too late to remember 9-11? Too early to crush the hypebeast aesthetic and it's just the right time to own an unbreakable knock your phone. I think that hypebeast sort of older.
No, I don't think so at all, but sure. Keep moving yourself. I like 12 girls with really rich parents. Hypebeast are like my age and slightly lower, but also they have to be American or...
But there's like a big Japanese hypebeast. I was going to say all Japanese. There's like the big family thing. Yeah, I'm just saying that I do remember having shitty phones and I do remember the dial-up sound, but no, I do not remember 9-11.
Jazz, you're saying yes, it's correcting me to South Korean here, right? Can North Korean hypebeast? Trying to imagine what that would be like. Could be good.
I think Lucy's like the youngest Mausuit. I think Lucy's like the youngest possible age to have a podcast. Yeah, well, for me it's like not allowed. More after you will simply lose interest in content that is like longer.
Yeah, to be fair, my attention span is pretty short. Like I can't watch films anymore. I've had a year read books, so it's very unusual for a Gen Z who don't know what books are. They never see books.
It's like, imagine one of those like Ben Garrison costumes that's like Gen Z kids picking up a book and being like, how do I flip the screen? That's my true question. Okay, I won't shed sight of it. I don't get it.
But do you think you're the last generation who will ever read a Terry Pratchett book? Do you think the kids of the future will be like digging a TTP? I think about it a lot. Like once he died and I was in, because I used to be, as I mentioned before, I was in that theatre group, I did one Terry Pratchett play a year and I was like, damn, how long will this group last?
Now that he's gone, you know, like how long will it remain relevant enough that people will want to join? Yeah. Yeah, it's there anyway. Where, I mean, like even towards the end of his life where he wasn't putting out books anymore, people were still very into his work.
So, No, and I think like after he died, a ton of people got new into his normal. Yeah, it's kind of continuous, especially as like, obviously we've had the watch now, which we'll get on to, but also like the amazing Morris, which I forgot about, that's coming out. That's coming out. Yeah, seemingly.
This might be the bad zone there. This is the bad zone before he drops off. Yeah, yeah, but like good old men's two years ago also like gave a new like, you know, ushered in a new like, Tambler fandom to. Yeah, we can make it harder running enough.
We can keep it alive, I think. The show, the show being like, green, like was why I read Good Omens. I like, I read the book before I watched it, but that's the reason I read the book. So, I think, I think, you know, I think I was always room for more people to get on board with it.
No, I do think it's possible for new people our age to get into teleprechants. So like, for people to get into, like people are going to get into teleprechants for like the next two decades, probably. Yeah, I find it, I do find it hard to imagine that people younger than us, like five, by younger, I mean like five to 10 years younger than us would like go into the book store and pick up, uh, random teleprechants book and I think, I think, I think, I know, I disagree. I think we're all suffering from a bit of adult disease here because I, you know, Hey, I haven't said anything about this thing.
Thank you George. I, no, I just think that I think, I don't think tastes change that much. And there's always going to be those kids who, um, you know, they're like, oh, I'm actually I read I like fantasy. I'm not like, oh my girls exactly me.
And sure, I didn't get around picking up. Sorry, Patrick. So that's because my dad tried to make me read the color of magic. And I was like, this sucks.
This sucks. I don't like it. Um, yeah. I know.
But like I read some Neil game and stuff, RIP. And I was like a bunch of other like really interesting books that, um, I still liked to the say and I think, and you know, they went all obviously young adult as a genre has sprung up kind of more in my teenage years than it did. Yeah. Guys, but I, you know, I read outside of that as well.
And I think that might be what puts off younger readers from reading talk about you because we now have a young adult genre, which I'm not saying is necessarily bad at all. He has done young adult books. Yeah. Yeah.
They're like young adult. I think young adult books is that like, they aren't capital like capital. A young adult books. No, they're not sexy.
They don't have enough vampires. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
They're mostly just like his books, but with some of the more adult jokes taken out. So he doesn't make dick jokes. I'm like, as much as much as well. As maybe not.
I think they were most identical languages. They are very little. Yeah. I think I think Discworld can survive.
It has things about it that date it, but they're more sort of viewpoints. It's not like the race. Yeah. And ideologies within it.
Yeah. It's not so much the actual text of the books. Or they are, I suppose the setting is, you know, it's fantastical. It's not related to the real world.
And when you have things fixed in a particular historical moment, that's when things date really fast. Yeah. I feel like a lot of it is a reflection of a certain kind of British society that maybe increasingly younger people won't recognise or relate to in the same way. I mean, are you sure though, because it's coming off the tales of Thatcherism.
And we never really pull down. I mean, that's one thing. And the other thing is when I read, like when I first read Discworld, I wasn't familiar with British society in the 90s, like at all. And it was still funny and enjoyable.
So... But you did stop reading it, right? I stopped reading it, but like not for, I don't get it reasons, but more like... Well, yeah, but not that you weren't as interested in it.
Like, it's not. No, I loved the books. I read like 20 or 30 of them. And then I, you know, had other things in my life.
And I really started reading less. And of course, now I'm coming back to them. But like, it's not because I stopped getting interested in entire projects, but more because, you know, after a while you've read like a lot, and then you get like, move on to other things to read. Yeah.
Yeah, I know she's British anyway. Yeah, I know she's British. I'm like, oh, this doesn't appear to me. Or this doesn't...
I cannot relate to these. So I'm not going to read them. Like, that's not how I read. Yeah, and I think a lot of the Britishness about them is...
It's sort of... It's an idea of Britishness, rather than... It's a parody, it's a reflection of ideas about Britishness, rather than Britishness itself. This might come across horrible or offensive, but the idea of Britishness is very funny to outstand us.
Like, in the same way as like me as I, like, I don't know, 14, 15-year-old, loved those old, like, Montipythem sketches and movies. Even though I have never been to Britain up to that point. Nor did I even like, particularly understand that it's like supposed to be British, you know? It was just funny.
It was just funny jokes. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to... I'm not going to pronounce whether it will survive or fire into the future or not, but I think there's reasons to think it might have longevity.
Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I think it's just funny.
I know that comedy ages poorly generally, but like, even in the first books we were... The first books we were reading, like, they're ones in sort of late 80s. I still think of funny, like, not all the time, because he hadn't got there with... No, I think people probably Shakespeare comedies.
Well, yeah, exactly. No one exactly. No, I think the book's like, as content, like the content of the books holds up, of course. I think my question is more like...
Do people even... Like, do younger people even read like, I read much less now than I did? But that's because you're an adult. I think this is the thing people read a lot when they're kids, because by and large children's books are shorter and easier to read.
And often the plot is fast paced in a way that it's always going to be gripping, even if the story isn't that particularly interesting. I mean, you grow up and you start reading more advanced texts that take their time, their adults, they bring in more themes, and then you read less because it's genuinely harder to read the books that are at your level. And you wouldn't want to move back down because you're able to understand those, but it just takes more time to read things. And I think that's the stuff you see, sorry, Chaz, in the gifted child-like discourse.
So people are like, oh my God, I used to read like 20 books a day and I didn't read all of it. It's like, it's because, A, you're an adult, you either have to work or you have to study, and that's an enormous commitment and horrible on your head. You have to worry about a billion other things. And like, also, not only that, but the way we consume media has massively changed, even in the time of we have all grown up.
So like, you know, when I was younger, I would only have access to things by reading books or watching like CVB's. Yeah, that's what I was going to say is when I was a kid, there was literally nothing else to do, and I was very excited. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I was going to say, Chaz.
There was nothing to do. Yeah, it was nothing. It was like you guys, your country folk. It didn't have internet on my phone until like, I was 60 or so.
Oh my God, but do you remember when phones first got internet capabilities and your parents were like, never ever used this? Yeah. It will come in two pounds a minute. Yes, I remember.
I never did use it. I downloaded like, dogs with a Z, that was like a phone game for my motor on the pedal, and I used to play that. Do you remember Diamond? No, me and my friends just used to like, bluetooth each other Adele songs.
Yeah, like five seconds of like, fucking the friends themed tunes over the do's, great times. Just someone playing Nickelback on the same Nickelback song on the bus every day for like two years. That was genuinely a thing that happened. Oh, fuck it.
I'd say that my one skepticism is a concern about access to Terry Pratchett books that would make people want to read them in them. I'm not sure if they will continue to stick around in libraries and if libraries, there'll be as many libraries. Well, I think that there's been as many libraries as a definite concern under concerns about governments, but whether or not they'll stay in libraries, I genuinely think that his books will be a mainstay. I've never been to a library that didn't have near a full collection of Terry Pratchett books.
They're like one of the most like popular fantasy books that has ever been written, I think. I don't see them going away out of libraries anytime soon. In short, libraries might disappear in favor of sort of Amazon book lending services where you pay 99p to borrow a book for four days. And then if you don't give it back, they steal your firstborn child.
When I left the library in the town where I was from, I owed them 60 quid in late fees. And then they had to give me a book on obsessive compulsive disorder under doctors orders and then I kept it and I still have it. You have to rule this. Okay, let's get on to the podcast.
Okay, okay. We have to check it out. The watch. I remember like five, six, seven years ago, like bookstores used to have like here, like the local bookstore here used to have like always had like if I went to fantasy books, there was like eight, 10, 12 Terry Pratchett books.
And now like in recent years when I looked, they usually only have good omens and like two or three like regular Terry books by chance. This is so sad. I don't know. Yeah, my thought was that it might stick around in the UK for longer but in more international shops, it might begin to diminish or decrease.
We know what guys, it's not too us to keep it alive. To keep it alive. Exactly. We already got like a few listeners either into completely into like reading Terry Pratchett, like people who have never read anything before or like some people who are like, yeah, I'm going to pick up my real eat again now that we have the spot camps.
So you know, I know at least two people now, at least three people. I just remember another person who also said I'm reading good omens. I mean, I mean, I mean, for one, like yeah, four. Please tell your friends about this podcast.
Tell them about Terry Pratchett. Let's let's keep his name around. I'm becoming the fucking Terry Pratchett. Terry Pratchett.
Terry Pratchett. Terry Pratchett. Yeah, Terry Pratchett. Yeah, Lucy, one day you will understand the G&U thing and you will say that's very good.
Oh, I want to go. Even though like the way the way people on the Terry Pratchett let it use it, a little bit cringe. Yeah. The actual context in the book is very cool.
Yeah. Anyway, this has been our very long warm open about the future Terry Pratchett. And now we have to talk about the last episode and the Terry Pratchett. The last episode of the Watchtension series.
The Not Terry Pratchett series. Okay. Another Discworld novel, which once again features one of the more familiar characters of the Discworld, Samuel Vines. Sand Vines.
Uh, he most sadly doesn't save the world. What he does do is give the world time to save itself, which is very much more of a discworld way of doing things. Sand Vines is what gives you the huge easily. It's absolutely right, the Sand Vines.
It's probably more than a spoiler than a gun hunt. It's more of a doing thing. More of a gun hunt. Vines finds himself in the same certain practice.
And I really must have thought of that for now. It's more of a doing thing. The 10 films. Hello and welcome to The Watch's The Watch's The Watch.
A Discworld reread podcast and The Watch's The Watch's Podcast. The people who not only watch The Watch's The Watch's The Watch's is they also watch The Watch's The Watch's. Um, I am Chaz. And according to the original picture of this podcast, this was supposed to be the final episode, but luckily I've trapped my co-hosts into a Faustian, or perhaps Erika and bargain.
But they are shackled to this podcast and therefore to me, for at least another year, so don't worry. Hahaha. Um, my name is Mrs. Lucy Carter Dunn.
And, um, Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good. Hahaha. My name is Janosh, and buddy, they don't even let me fuck the dragon.
Hahaha. My name is George, and picture this. I'm a gifted child. I'm going with my procedural friend into an LGBT campaign.
Okay. And I call out my partner and everyone just kicks off. Okay. This is just about a tweet that I made this morning, so thank you, George.
Yes. Hahaha. Um, I love our relatable content. Uh, anyway.
Yeah. Listen, do you ask that I hit discourse? Do you hit discourse? What about disc horses?
What about disc world dragons? I don't know. Okay. Um.
Ha ha. Horses in this world. Disc horses. Disc.
I am not trying to. Yeah, that's a word. Okay, we're good. Binky.
Yeah. That's right. I was scrambling for a second if horses are even confirmed in this quote. They definitely are.
I choose to believe that there's a lot of times this horse is. That, um, any book or show that doesn't feature horses at some point, they don't exist in that universe. Fuck you. Comfortable.
Counting. Sorry, jazz. Well, it's just exist in everywhere, uh, in the multi-verse, because that's good. So that's my sense on the matter.
I keep thinking about like a stream series I used to watch, like five years ago, uh, where they were like watching video game, opening cutscenes. In one point they tried to start establishing lore things such as one of the most important thing of like a video game cut scene is is there a thing that shows that this game takes place on earth? If it doesn't show it, we, we have no idea which kind of takes place. Even though everything looks like, like it looks on earth.
So maybe we can apply the same to horses. Kind of a disc world. I mean, because like they always talk about the fact that they're on the disc at the beginning of every book. Yeah, exactly.
So if they don't, then you know that it might not be. So careful. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know about the disc in this, in this TV series. No, they never said, then I don't think they ever said the disc world, they didn't show the edge at one point and they mentioned round world. And they mentioned that this happens in another far off dimension. So he's implied, but I guess not confirmed.
It is confirmed. It just never said like they did, they did show the edge at like the Twilight, whatever episode. Twilight canyons episode. They did show the edge and they did say the other, that there's a round world, but they never said, I don't think they've ever said the world's the disc world, which is very weird.
Yeah. No, that I think about it. Like, I don't want to get a guy about that because there's a ton of other complaints about this show that we will talk about. Alert alert.
I haven't even played. New disc world news. Lucy really needs a piss. Okay.
I'm really sorry. I'm starting the podcast. I know. I went before we started and it's all caught up with me again.
I'll be really, really quick. I'll be really quick. You guys can start. Okay, go now.
Just go now. It's a real well, there's your problem energy in this. I can't believe we're 35 minutes in. I mean, I haven't even started discussing this.
I'm going to really speed through this fucking summary because I can't be good. Yeah, please. It's so funny that we've watched this show. I don't know why it's so funny to me, but it is.
It's very weird that it happened. Yeah. That is like, there's something about this show that it's like very hard to grasp, like in a metaphysical sense. Like, I try to think about this show and I feel like it's slipping away from me.
Yeah, and it's funny because I've been watching the new Higurashi anime. And when I'm not watching it, I am thinking about it all the time. Absolutely. And I'm thinking about it and I'm thinking about things I saw.
And I'm like, damn, that was so interesting. And then with this show, I watch it and then I can't remember anything that happened in every time. And my brain sort of slides off it. Every time I'm not actually, and I'm not like actively thinking about this show, it just seems to exist in the world.
And I feel like every Monday I forget that we're going to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. This show exists.
Yeah. That's what we're talking about. It's just an existence. No, I was going to bring this up as well because like, I was watching this episode earlier and I was like, this, like it's something, but also, and this isn't going to affect me after I've finished watching it.
Yeah, it's like white noise. Yeah. There's lots going on, but it doesn't actually make sense. It's a great background show.
It's a great background show. Yeah. I'd have more fun watching Vampire Diaries. I mean, that's what you mean.
No, I know I would agree with you because I think, but with Vampire Diaries, it takes itself sort of awfully seriously and is very funny. And I think this one, I mean, I think this does take itself seriously. I just know. Yeah, it does better.
I'm going to give you a very quick rundown of how the final episode of the watch that we watched goes down. Just like I need a piss. No. I'm joking, I don't.
It's my bit. So, the veterinarian looks herself in his cell. The rest of the watch are like, oh no, we've got a plan to do the dragon. Once tries to betray Karsa, but instead is stabbed and is brought to the watchhouse.
They come up with a plan to try and defeat the dragon using carrots, mystical virgin powers with help from Sally. Vimes talks to death, who gives him clues about the observers but wants to join the band. Something to do with the observers watching. God, I can't even make sense of these notes.
I'm like blanking something about hope and love. Yeah. Once is brought to the watch, she tells them what Karsa's planning. Karsa goes to try and control the dragon with the artifacts, but it doesn't work.
The dragon eats the artifacts. It looks like it's eaten cherry, but it hasn't. They all think that it has. Karsa gets burned up, but then it's put in his cell and is like, damn, I never had a chance and everything is terrible, but I've done what I was supposed to do by getting everyone killed by the dragon.
Inspiring. Yeah. Yeah. Real, real arc of a character.
I was like, what is this? What is the character arc was just a line? What if Karsa was like, you drop me, I never killed anyone, and then you drop me, and then it's like, damn, so what are we going to get from this? That Karsa was right, because he kind of was.
He got a little bit. Yes. I can't. What about this, he's done it.
I mean, I was, I was. Cannot get into Karsa right now. Oh, yeah, we'll get there. Um, Cherry, Cherry got taken up by the dragon, and then she comes back and she's lost a beard, and she says she had a conversation with the dragon.
This is a great scene. I love to see Cherry do things. Cherry, just a bit of a seat. Sorry, just a bit of a quick interlude.
I just want to say that Cherry is the best character in the show, and Joe does. Yeah. It does just as a wonderful job. She is, and the show knows it.
And, but also like at the same time, as cool as I think, it is that Cherry has this like very cool moment. I kind of feel like, I kind of wish like the like thing that basically solves the entire series arc of the dragon would have been something that we see on screen. When I said this was a good scene, I mean, I like Cherry's energy in it. This sort of kind of stuff is very, very, very, very fucking done.
Cherry says that the dragon feels lonely and threatened and is rushing out. And so what they're going to do is, and they was, it was singing the song that good boy's been singing, which is the little dragon. And so they sort of start playing the tune as a band, because they get the band back together and wanted to attract the dragon. And it's the theme song, the right show.
It is like two measures. The dragon appears. They're really good boy. They have a romantic moment and fly away.
Cassette dissolves. The CGI budget also dissolves. Yeah, because of this, Cassette's never existed. The watch goes back.
And because Cassette never existed, now once is the villain. And even though she remembers not having done anything, they will think that she orchestrated everything. And so she runs away. Yeah, we'll get onto that.
I have some things to say about that. This is kind of wild. Yeah. Once is like, I will never forget Cassette.
And she doesn't, I guess. She escapes. Everything is back to normal, the dragons doing whatever it wants to do. Veterinary is reducing the guild's quotas, which I guess solves all the societal problems, or get some way towards doing that.
The thing is crime happens because people want to commit crime. Yeah, it's about wanting to. Now the watch has a representative in the council, which I guess is simple. I think so.
They've created a bunch of watch propaganda posters that say the watch needs you. Vyme says plans with this last couple scenes, very weird. Vyme says plans with Lady Sybil. And she's like, oh, they're doing democratic elections at the assassin's guild.
Like, okay, they drink wine and they're like, we will have our romantic relationship. Vyme is like fighting himself. I'm not sure what's happening. Vyme is just watching.
Yeah. Oh, okay. So he's struggling to watch yourself. I mean, while the assassins, Dr.
Grease's and the little evil girl are attacking simple, inside her room, in the other room. She's different from himself. She like shoves them down their hatch into her like evil dungeon or whatever it is, I guess. What even happened to them in the episode where they were last?
I don't remember. They got magic gate teleported to, I guess, Stolat. Oh, yeah, like a bomb or something. Yeah.
But how? Okay. Well, how are you? Gay slash homophobic acceptance, depending on how you interpret dark.
Oh, yeah. No, I remember. Yes, I remember. Yeah, I was so completely forgot how that happened.
I forget. Simple goes back to Vyme. She's a fork in her back. So she goes to get it and she's like, if I come back and you're still here, I know it's meant to be, but he's absolutely into the observer's realm.
Which, and like, once is there and she's like, oh, you didn't used to be your enemy, but now I am your enemy. And that's how this series ends. That's called great character development. It's called great character development.
And it's so funny. All of a funny, a great way to build romantic tension by a character saying something that no one would really ever say to someone they were just going to like, say, if I was on a date, and it was going really well, we've known each other for years, we really liked each other. And then I was like, I'm going to the toilet. And there's nothing to it.
Let's do it. You wouldn't say that. You'd say, I'm going to be real. I'm actually busting for a piss.
You must be for a piss right now. I'd say, look, I'm going to be real. I'm absolutely busting for a piss. And by the time I come back and you're still here, then I know it's meant to be.
And then that's a normal thing for people to say about it. Yeah. It's kind of like fine. It's just kind of stupid.
It's like the rest of it. It's incredibly dumb as well. Everything that happens after the dragon plot is resolved is why. Well, it's very strange.
Yeah. Everything that happens to be like, OK, but how can we seed a second season? I guess. Yeah.
Yeah. Like the thing with detritus and stone talks to the third- Yeah, that never ends up. I think he's good. I was going to turn up.
I think he's going to grow out of that rock that they cut. It's like, I mean, it would now. It would be great. But no one's renewing this series.
Not after everything. No. I'd be very focused on it. Not in this economy.
Yeah. It's very weird because I did share an interview with Carrot aka Adam Hugeo. And I'm going to be talking about how... What's his surname?
Hugeo. Hugeo. Hugeo. I thought it was huge.
I thought it was huge. I was like, that's funny but very huge. It's got huge girls. Maybe it's huge girls.
I know it's. I know it'd be nice. And I do talk about how like, oh, well, yeah, we set up all this great things about season two. And yeah, it does say like in the interview that, well, it hasn't been renewed yet, but sure that set up a lot of things for the next season.
See, I don't understand. Like, I guess Y shows would optimistically set up a second season, but also I think when you have that much sort of initial backlash of what you're doing, personally, I wouldn't spend 50 minutes of a 45 minute episode dedicated to setting up the second season that most likely isn't going to happen. I mean, they didn't have as much backlash when they were filming it. Yeah, the production would already have gone too far often to change that by then.
Yeah, but like still, I would like kind of want to like wrap up my first season satisfyingly instead of like seeding some very convoluted start for a season two like this. Yeah, I don't know why they can't just have it be like, we're going to do mysteries in the future. I can't wait for new mysteries. I think it's just...
What if you had all the satisfying storytelling of Stephen Moffat on Mestlin? Yeah, this really is like a worst copycat version of like Stephen Moffat type storytelling, except it's like even less like satisfying on a base level. Should we start about the episode like in detail and then talk about like the entire series and how it wraps up, clones or whatever? Why don't we talk about individual parts maybe, yeah, sort of structure.
Okay, so should we do something like that? I was like the first scene, the first scene of this episode right was was Vettinari and it did hit me like one completely forgot Vettinari's in the show and two like what's the point of Vettinari being here? Four visual shows, she doesn't care. Yeah, I did like her big red like fussy dress thing.
This was what I was saying. I was like maybe we should go through things that we liked and then we can move on to stuff we didn't because I feel like that's going to be the larger portion. Okay. Okay, so I want to say like Vettinari's big red dress and to I like, Lodge room.
Is that Twilight Lodge? What's it called? I've not been picked. Black Lodge, I've read the book.
The Twilight Lodge. Listen, here is my objective. Irrefutable breakdown of this season. Best episode, Twilight Canyon's worst episode, Exposition does it.
Best character, Cherry, worst character, Carrot, Sibil. I would go Sibil. I would go Sibil, yeah. Carrot is nothing.
No, it's like a ball. Yeah, exactly. Coates is nothing but Sibil is like I have so many of you as well. Oh my God.
Yeah, okay. I don't disagree with you on anything else though, I think you're right. It's just correct. Yeah.
Good things. Costume design, set design. Yeah, set design. The best way they're allowed to make funny jokes about the world.
Those bits are good. Music numbers, maybe. I love the musical numbers. I'm obsessed with the musical numbers.